Adobe plugin update

[Deanan]

The REDcode Importer plug-in when released will be for CS4 only --- it's specifically tuned for CS4, and CS4 has a new architecture that enables much better large memory usage with 64 bit OS (Win / Mac) making it a much better place to do RED workflows.

The plugin will be released sometime in November.

[Jason Diamond]

NOV 13th maybe? :)

[A. Bastaki]

sugeei.. hontoni arigata.

[HD Hildebrand]

Any way to get a beta now? I have an insane workflow mixing R3D, HDV, RAW DSLR timelapse footage converted to PJPEG? No workflow out there can deal with this. What if I say please :help:

[Gunleik Groven]

Fantastic!!

Is that about the same time the FCP update is released?

G

[Gian Joon]

NOV 13th maybe? :)

You bet it. It is 13th November.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Thank you for the update! Looking forward to this new workflow.

[david farland]

.....enables much better large memory usage with 64 bit OS (Win / Mac).....

Deanan,
What are you talking about here?
I thought Premiere CS4 can only a address 32bit memory (3.2GB)
Are you saying the present Premiere CS4 architecture makes better use of the 3.2GB and your plugin is inline with this or is this a pre-emptive patch for when Premiere CS4 can use >3.2GB memory on 64bit OS?
Dave

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Sucks for CS3 users not planning to upgrade to CS4 just yet... oh well.

Rather have a working plugin than no plugin at all.

[Peter Karlsson]

I think its a good way to focus on CS4 instead of doing a crappled CS3 version. CS4 has native metadata and raw support inside AE, so it all will be worth it.

Bring it on! :weight_lift:

[Vico Martin]

Nov 13!!, really good news!

David, I think that there is a limit in 32bits to map more than 4GB of memory in any app/system.

[HD Hildebrand]

Will that be a download through Red or through Adobe? (just want to know who will be updating and staying on top of bugs)

[Deanan]

Nov 13!!, really good news!


I didn't give a specific date.

[Deanan]

Deanan,
What are you talking about here?
I thought Premiere CS4 can only a address 32bit memory (3.2GB)
Are you saying the present Premiere CS4 architecture makes better use of the 3.2GB and your plugin is inline with this or is this a pre-emptive patch for when Premiere CS4 can use >3.2GB memory on 64bit OS?
Dave

I can't go into more detail at the moment.

[Rudi Herbert]

Sucks for CS3 users not planning to upgrade to CS4 just yet... oh well.

You can use the Cineform codec right now for use with CS3, which gives you great image quality, several sizes to work with super fast and much faster real time capabilities. Then again, it ain't all that cheap unfortunately, more than double the price of CS4...:-(

[david farland]

I can't go into more detail at the moment.

...sounds interesting.
Many thanks!!

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

You can use the Cineform codec right now for use with CS3, which gives you great image quality, several sizes to work with super fast and much faster real time capabilities. Then again, it ain't all that cheap unfortunately, more than double the price of CS4...:-(

I already have CineForm and it is amazing. The price of CF is not high in my opinion. If you have not tried Prospect 4K you do not know what you are missing. Show me another workflow offering the same possibilites for that price...??

However I was thinking about other users who have not made a decision and were hoping to go native.

I personally would still like the option to bring in some R3D's in Premiere (CS3) and just play around if I really need to. I'll use it as a way of checking dailies since the new Redcine does NOT work for me with any R3D's containing audio... it hangs then crashes...:waaa:

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Will that be a download through Red or through Adobe? (just want to know who will be updating and staying on top of bugs)

Presumably Red...?

[Steve Freebairn]

Great news about the plugin. Those of us rocking 64 bit OS's are very grateful. I along with everyone else hope it's sooner than later, but I'm just glad it's coming very soon. I was also glad to hear mention of it being on PC too, I started wondering if it was going to be a Mac only plugin at first, but your post took that concern away.

[number6]

However I was thinking about other users who have not made a decision and were hoping to go native.



As one of those users, thanks for those thoughts.... but I do understand there will be a benefit for CS4 users and that there will be a much better allocation of resources to concentrate on CS4 path instead of including CS3 in tandem, for gaining direct access into Adobe CS. Someday I too will benefit from that when I upgrade to CS4. Just not anyday soon.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Adobe got smart, didn't they? :)

[HD Hildebrand]

If I move forward now with an edit in FCP using proxies, could I export an edl or xml so that once premier plugin arrives I could use the edl/xml to import native and continue editing. Sort of like going from an off-line to an on-line without having to resort to Crimson and other software?

[Ege Eden]

is there an audio support in the plug-in?

[Eric Addison]

If I move forward now with an edit in FCP using proxies, could I export an edl or xml so that once premier plugin arrives I could use the edl/xml to import native and continue editing. Sort of like going from an off-line to an on-line without having to resort to Crimson and other software?

There is an update coming to PPro CS4, and one of the features is importing FCP XML project files into PPro CS4. You can see a demo of it here....

http://www.studiodaily.com/main/training/10122.html

Not sure when the update's coming though...hopefully soon!

[HD Hildebrand]

There is an update coming to PPro CS4, and one of the features is importing FCP XML project files into PPro CS4. You can see a demo of it here....

http://www.studiodaily.com/main/training/10122.html

Not sure when the update's coming though...hopefully soon!

I like it. Thank you for this info. Question though, if I cut in proxies on FCP, then import xml into Premier, do you think there is a way to have premier link to R3D's instead of proxies?

[Gian Joon]

is there an audio support in the plug-in?

Let's hope so. Without sound there is no point of a plug-in. And now scarlet is on the way for prosumer market. Without sound support in Adobe, I do not think you can push Scarlet in market.

[Esteban Sosnitsky]

And yet again.. is there any news in the Adobe Plug In update?

[MikeHedge]

any news?

Mike

[Gian Joon]

Mike, I have a strong feeling that it will come out on 13th Novemeber. Just a matter of one week:calm:

[Esteban Sosnitsky]

Oh my god, at least there is an update on this matter.
Thanks Deanan.
Looking forward to see whats the whole deal about novembered.
;)

[Obin Olson]

this post does not exist. :ninja:

[Mark L. Pederson]

I have seen and heard things from the plugin - music to the ears and frames of red raw passing by at 24fps realtime at 1k for the eyes. And all this on a low end 4core at 1.6ghz per CPU ;)

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh ..... :wink:

[Gunleik Groven]

I have seen and heard things from the plugin - music to the ears and frames of red raw passing by at 24fps realtime at 1k for the eyes. And all this on a low end 4core at 1.6ghz per CPU ;)

Had a hunch you had seen the light...

Now let it shine on us other mortals :)

[Deanan]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh ..... :wink:

Now we'll have to take Obin out back :)

[Tai Wah Lim]

I have seen and heard things from the plugin - music to the ears and frames of red raw passing by at 24fps realtime at 1k for the eyes. And all this on a low end 4core at 1.6ghz per CPU ;)

Obin, heard meaning Audio?

Lucas, are you there?

Lim

[Gunleik Groven]

now we'll have to take obin out back :)

no!!!

:)

[Obin Olson]

hey peeps? um, I am out back now...and um....well....um....i can't really say much...but um.....well.....i think....i..uhhh...need a doc. :help: :help:

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

I have seen and heard things from the plugin - music to the ears and frames of red raw passing by at 24fps realtime at 1k for the eyes. And all this on a low end 4core at 1.6ghz per CPU ;)


God bless you.

I hear [and see] only good things from you.

:)

[Joel Kaye]

hey peeps? um, I am out back now...and um....well....um....i can't really say much...but um.....well.....i think....i..uhhh...need a doc. :help: :help:

So Premiere is probably worth getting if you own a RED? I'm anxious for a fast workflow, though I did manage to shoot a 36 hour film contest with RED this weekend. Kind of a proof of worklflow thing for me. I even got in a quick Apple Color pass at the end.

If Color would support R3D and you could pass a Premiere Project to it (which shouldn't be a big deal) that would be a pretty cool workflow.

[Gian Joon]

Obin, you made my evening. Cheers Dude.

[Tai Wah Lim]

this post does not exist. :ninja:

Obin, What post?? Lim

[Steve Freebairn]

Obin, consider yourself lucky. The other guys RED has taken care of can't even type now.


The Red Plugin will be out on November 11th. :ninja:

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

this post does not exist. :ninja:


Too late.

The post was about how.... ... ... ... ... and ... ... ... ...

Isn't it great? :)

[Gian Joon]

I said 13th not 11th :ninja:

That sounds more true.:w00t:

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Oh My GA-ad !

What is going on in here !!!

:)

[RivaiC]

Sneaky ! ! No turning back obin, Alqaeda will be there to guard you, guarantee no one come close. Spill it now !

[Gian Joon]

Hey Deanan,

It must be hard keeping it so close to your chest. You do not have to spill it all at once.
A little teaser for today will be good enough.:sarcasm:

[shashbugu]

this is the best news in the world FCP and PPRO CS3 interopable, via XML that is the best news in the world. i love editing in final cut pro, and Apple color is the sh*znit, wow this is just great. Unbelievable. We are definetly going to be blown away.
Obin you better be right or else.......

[Obin Olson]

see no evil hear no evil.

[Gian Joon]

So how many of you think that Plug-in will be released on 13th November.

[Steve Sherrick]

Obin made a rookie mistake. He'll be okay. Have any of you seen Casino? Just a little back room, some tape, maybe a hammer. But it will be mostly to scare him. We should only be worried if we don't hear from him for a couple of weeks.

[Deanan]

Obin made a rookie mistake. He'll be okay. Have any of you seen Casino? Just a little back room, some tape, maybe a hammer. But it will be mostly to scare him. We should only be worried if we don't hear from him for a couple of weeks.

And a sack of oranges...

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

C`mooooooan! :)

[Gian Joon]

It's the big nite. Any details on Plug-in.

[Jason Diamond]

From Jim earlier:

A quote from our friends at Adobe...

"RED and Adobe share the goal of enabling the most advanced tapeless post-production workflows in the industry. With native support for RED R3D files in Adobe Premiere Pro CS4, Adobe Encore CS4, and Adobe After Effects CS4, Adobe is furthering the integration of tapeless camera formats into its line of professional video products, and making post-production workflows faster, more flexible, and more efficient. RED's Digital Cinema camera line, the new RED plug-in, and Adobe video tools provide an exceptional solution for video professionals who want to harness the full potential of raw digital cinematography while tapping the efficiency of tapeless workflows."

Simon Hayhurst, Senior Director, Product Management, Digital Video and Audio


so hopefully we will know very soon. :)

[Scott Simmons]

Ditto the above today posts! Plug-in, plug-in, plug-in!

[Pedro Ruiz Mateos]

Plug-in, plug-in, plug-in!
Plug-in, plug-in, plug-in!
Plug-in, plug-in, plug-in!

[Lucas Wilson]

Plug-in, plug-in, plug-in!
Plug-in, plug-in, plug-in!
Plug-in, plug-in, plug-in!

Guys,

Adobe is a fairly quiet company and pretty calm and deliberate about how they do things. They are not a "release it to everybody and see what sticks" kind of software company. What makes you think the plugin isn't already being used and tested by high-end Adobe customers? They just probably don't talk about it much on REDUSER. ;)

If you want the plugin, I might take it up with Adobe instead of RED. Especially today... seems like the RED guys have some other things to deal with. :bleh:

For anybody going to Interbee next week, Ted and I will both be doing presentations on the Adobe stand...

Lucas
-----
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

[Gian Joon]

What makes you think the plugin isn't already being used and tested by high-end Adobe customers?
Lucas
-----
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

Lucas, we know for sure it's out there. But all we are after is a expected public release date.:bleh:

[Greg Greene]

nov 20th

[Mike Smith]

...If you want the plugin, I might take it up with Adobe instead of RED.
So you are saying this is an Adobe-designed plugin, not RED-designed? I got the impression that it was the latter from reading around this forum.

[Gian Joon]

Is that inside info........

[Gian Joon]

So you are saying this is an Adobe-designed plugin, not RED-designed? I got the impression that it was the latter from reading around this forum.

It was being mainly created by RED but adobe was there to help them. But may be things have changed. May be that's why Deanan did not have much to say about it.

[Vincent S]

Luki can you say what is the RED workflow that you guys are helping Adobe with? I understand how we will be able to work with REDRAW in PP or AE but how does Scratch fit in with those apps?

[Greg Greene]

theres some info in regards to the plug in release on pg160 in the recon nov 13th thread

best

gt

www.onetrackmind.ca

[Gian Joon]

End of next week is public beta

That makes it 20th Nov.:bleh:

[Gunleik Groven]

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=321938&postcount=1600

[Gian Joon]

Check this thread where Rob posted about public beta.

www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21887 (http://a)

[Mike Smith]

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=321938&postcount=1600
Thanks for the link Gunleik. I missed that one.

[Deanan]

It was being mainly created by RED but adobe was there to help them. But may be things have changed. May be that's why Deanan did not have much to say about it.

It's a combined effort and we really appreciate what Adobe is doing. They're awesome.

[shashbugu]

yep all thanks to Adobe, forget Deanan and Luki they only gave the plugin to highend customers and left the loyalists hanging.

he he he ....... just kidding Deanan

[Deanan]

yep all thanks to Adobe, forget Deanan and Luki they only gave the plugin to highend customers and left the loyalists hanging.

he he he ....... just kidding Deanan

The reason why we're not handing out the plugin is that you need to be tied to a specific PPro beta release and on their beta program.

[Daniel Wood]

The reason why we're not handing out the plugin is that you need to be tied to a specific PPro beta release and on their beta program.

im confused...

why are there press releases saying its available to the public?

http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/10212.html

[Deanan]

im confused...

why are there press releases saying its available to the public?

http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/10212.html

Sorry for the confusion. There's some last minute work being done on the plugin so it's not quite ready to be put up on the support site yet.

[SalaTar]

So its like every other POS you've ever released...Late and buggy

[Hayhurst]

Deanan,
What are you talking about here?
I thought Premiere CS4 can only a address 32bit memory (3.2GB)
Are you saying the present Premiere CS4 architecture makes better use of the 3.2GB and your plugin is inline with this or is this a pre-emptive patch for when Premiere CS4 can use >3.2GB memory on 64bit OS?
Dave

In CS3 we could use more than 3GB, but it didn't scale too well --- most often memory helped most if you were bouncing between Photoshop, After Effects and Premiere Pro.

We've re-architected for 64 bit OS in CS4. A good next step.

For demanding workflows Premiere Pro should continue to show decent gains up to 16GB. Things like AME running in a separate process gives you background renders and much better memory usage if you have the headroom.

We've seen better success with 4K renders on larger memory configs too for these kinds of reasons.

Add in dynamic link to After Effects, which also uses large memory better in CS4, and some Photoshop goodness, and a meaty workflow can often see gains up to 32GB of memory and beyond.

We figure that's a pretty decent 64 bit workflow for this year :-)

We do see the RED workflow jamming along nicely on a laptop --- but even there the 64 bit OS helps --- even with 4GB of memory you do a bit better in 64 bit OS. Looking forward to 8GB fo memory in standard laptops though --- it will definitely help

Simon

[Hayhurst]

Presumably Red...?

Plug-in download from RED, linked from Adobe.

Bug-fixing --- we're joined at the hip. This stuff is so much easier when done in close collaboration --- a RED workflow bug is something we'll both want fixed --- if it doesn't work, or it doesn't flow, then it's not really a workflow is it :-)

Simon
Adobe DMO team

[Hayhurst]

If I move forward now with an edit in FCP using proxies, could I export an edl or xml so that once premier plugin arrives I could use the edl/xml to import native and continue editing. Sort of like going from an off-line to an on-line without having to resort to Crimson and other software?

Or we might have something even easier for you ---- like Final Cut Import (export to follow for the round-trip)

We're all about open, easy workflows

Simon
Adobe DMO team

[Hayhurst]

It was being mainly created by RED but adobe was there to help them. But may be things have changed. May be that's why Deanan did not have much to say about it.

It's a joint effort. We love working with the RED team, it's really fluid. We've got some of our top guys cranking away on good ideas to make a good thing even better.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Or we might have something even easier for you ---- like Final Cut Import (export to follow for the round-trip)

We're all about open, easy workflows

Simon
Adobe DMO team

Just to make sure everybody here caught this ....


ike Final Cut Import (export to follow for the round-trip)

one more time ...


ike Final Cut Import (export to follow for the round-trip)

YES ... he DID say ...


ike Final Cut Import (export to follow for the round-trip)

Said it before and I'll say it again. Adobe on a Mac. HELL YEAH!!

[Gian Joon]

Hey Simon Thanks for giving details.
We are waiting for 20 Nov and praying to God (RED & ADOBE in this case) to release it on time. :biggrin:

It has been delayed so many times that it hurts. Not that I am complaining, I completely understand it was a difficult task.:sarcasm:

[Tai Wah Lim]

Guys,

Adobe is a fairly quiet company and pretty calm and deliberate about how they do things. They are not a "release it to everybody and see what sticks" kind of software company. What makes you think the plugin isn't already being used and tested by high-end Adobe customers? They just probably don't talk about it much on REDUSER. ;)

If you want the plugin, I might take it up with Adobe instead of RED. Especially today... seems like the RED guys have some other things to deal with. :bleh:

For anybody going to Interbee next week, Ted and I will both be doing presentations on the Adobe stand...

Lucas
-----
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

Lucas, will it be just the usual dog and pony - edit on PP and then EDL to Scratch for conform or more interesting stuff like using DL to AE for some effects or titling work and then to Scratch for conform and finish? Lim

[Rick Darge]

Does this currently exist???


Just to make sure everybody here caught this ....



one more time ...



YES ... he DID say ...



Said it before and I'll say it again. Adobe on a Mac. HELL YEAH!!

[MikeHedge]

Simon. you are talking about Vista 64bit version right?

I hope so. Lucas. can we get Scratch on vista too?

hope all is well with everyone. can't wait til Nov 20

peace
Mike

[Mark L. Pederson]

Does this currently exist???

I guess you'll see (hopefully) on the 20th next week -:devil: :devil: :devil:

[David Birdy]

I guess you'll see (hopefully) on the 20th next week -:devil: :devil: :devil:


Mark, Congratulation on your new son!

I hope you are getting sleep!!

Dave

[Obin Olson]

And a sack of oranges...


mmmm mmmmm good.
to quote a famous tag line...

[Deanan]

mmmm mmmmm good.
to quote a famous tag line...

Name that book (or movie)
:)

[Kevin Halverson]

Name that book (or movie)
:)

"The Grifters"

[Gian Joon]

I guess you'll see (hopefully) on the 20th next week -:devil: :devil: :devil:

First 13th and now 20th. Christmas is coming early this year.:biggrin:

[SandeepDey]

FCP is being Finally Critically Paralysed by the looks of the headway Adobe is making. Now all I ask for is a low-res proxy for onsite viewing.

[Paolo Tinari]

Name that book (or movie)
:)

Movie: one with Jenna Jameson I dont remember the title...

[Deanan]

Movie: one with Jenna Jameson I dont remember the title...

Kevin got it. Grifters by Jim Thompson
He wrote alot of great crime fiction, a bunch of which got turned into movies well after he died.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Does the Adobe plugin take advantage of the CUDA? GPU accelerate the de-bayer?

[ericyoung]

So all this on Mac desktops and laptops? What about PCs?...yes, I know... crossplatform support?

[Deanan]

So all this on Mac desktops and laptops? What about PCs?...yes, I know... crossplatform support?

Yes..

[Peter Karlsson]

Does the Adobe plugin take advantage of the CUDA? GPU accelerate the de-bayer?

This would be VERY nice! If thats the case I'll order one CUDA Nvidia card ASAP!

Uhm, is the beta still on schedule for the 20th!? (I haven't installed my CS4 bundle yet, and thought of installing a clean windows first.. And everyone knows how fun it is to install windows, so I'll wait until the last minute :)..)

[Gian Joon]

Uhm, is the beta still on schedule for the 20th!?

I beleive it's gonna be Release build. It's being beta-tested for last few weeks.:biggrin:

[Craig Bowman]

Just for those who are calendar challenged, Rob L. indicated last week that the public beta was going to be released at the end of this week. I always thought Friday was the end of the work week which is the 21st.

I don't see anyone from Red ever declaring anything about Thursday the 20th. If they did can you point me to the posting?

[MikeHedge]

wow. less than 48 hours!!!! who has cs4 running on a PC?

Mike

[Josué Ignacio Saldaña]

wow. less than 48 hours!!!! who has cs4 running on a PC?

Mike

I have my CS4 ready to go.
I keep on checking this thread a couple of times per hour hoping to hear of any additional clues from Red... I think I'm loosing it here.
:huh:

[Mike Harrington]

check every couple of minutes....
it helps with the nervous twitch...:biggrin:

[Ace9]

I have Mac Pro + CS4 + Kona all ready to work! Well work with what little R3D files I have. I can't wait to own one of the bad boys. Heart is set on Scarlet 2/3 with Mini Red 35 lens set. VIVA LA ROJO

[Kevin Olsen]

I have CS4 working on PC. Looking forward to this release!!

[Rainer Fritz]

CS4 is running.... :) cant wait to get it....

[alex trettenero]

hello everyone!
i've downloaded premiere cs4 from the adobe site, while waiting for the production premium suite upgrade to arrive.
having cs3 and cs4 running side by side, i've noticed a severe degradation in the playback capabilities with cs4, especially with unrendered material.
does anyone knows if its just a problem with the downloadable version (beta?...) or it's really something to deal with?
i'm running cs4 (and cs3) on a mac pro 8 cores.

thanks.

Alessandro

[Kaku Ito]

I saw Adobe Japan showing the quick demo on the plugin today at InterBEE.
Didn't look more than everybody knows from Dave's demo clip but it was working.

[Josué Ignacio Saldaña]

I saw Adobe Japan showing the quick demo on the plugin today at InterBEE.
Didn't look more than everybody knows from Dave's demo clip but it was working.

What about sound... was it discussed at all?

[joshtownsend]

Adobe just did a much needed update to Premiere today. 4.0.1 maybe you guys will get lucky but I wouldn't wait on anything RED unless there was a tracking number.

[Santiago Marti]

Downloading!!!! WOW! OMF export and final cut pro import!!

[Sean]

Downloading from where?

[Peter Karlsson]

• Native RED R3D support: Both Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 version 4.0.1 and Adobe After Effects CS4 version 9.0.1 provide a true file-based workflow for RED R3D files, without transcoding or rewrapping, via RED’s beta plug-in available at www.red.com/support.

Yo! Deanan wake up! :)

[Santiago Marti]

sean: open any CS4 app, go to help, update and it will do it automatically! 220 mbs. updates premiere, encore, media encoder and some more. excellent!

[Kenn Michael]

What about sound... was it discussed at all?

I saw an Adobe CS4 demo at LA Final Cut Pro Users Group last night.... The RED plugin they were using had sound! And it seemed to perform quite nicely.

[joshtownsend]

• Native RED R3D support: Both Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 version 4.0.1 and Adobe After Effects CS4 version 9.0.1 provide a true file-based workflow for RED R3D files, without transcoding or rewrapping, via RED’s beta plug-in available at www.red.com/support.

Yo! Deanan wake up! :)

It's not there and After Effects wasn't updated to 9.0.1 with today's update.

[Deanan]

Adobe plugin update:

We've been working hard on the Adobe plug-in, and focusing on creating a
solid workflow that encompasses Premiere Pro and After Effects. We're
almost there, but there are a few tweaks that we want to the make to the
plug-in before we release it. In addition, there is going to be an After
Effects update out in the next couple of weeks which is essential to our
ability to create a really good workflow for RED files.

[Stefan Scherperel]

So your saying a few more weeks for the release?

[Deanan]

So your saying a few more weeks for the release?

Yes. As much as it pains all of us to delay the release, we need all the ducks lined up.

[extrabyte]

Hello All.

The Premiere CS4 update is now available as a standalone download here: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4088

Enjoy!

[joshtownsend]

Told ya. Besides the new Premiere update is giving me huge problems with Vista 64. I'd blame this on Adobe.

Adobe has some issues.

[Salem Kapic]

Adobe plugin update:

We've been working hard on the Adobe plug-in, and focusing on creating a
solid workflow that encompasses Premiere Pro and After Effects. We're
almost there, but there are a few tweaks that we want to the make to the
plug-in before we release it. In addition, there is going to be an After
Effects update out in the next couple of weeks which is essential to our
ability to create a really good workflow for RED files.




ohhh, not again:waaa:

[extrabyte]

What kind of issues are having?

[Andrae Palmer]

Heck I may as well wait for FCS to be released.

[Peter Plevritis]

Yes. As much as it pains all of us to delay the release, we need all the ducks lined up.

wow. hearing this on the 20th.

[C.K.]

Yes. As much as it pains all of us to delay the release, we need all the ducks lined up.

I feel like you could have told us that earlier... Why couln't you do so?
We are not talking about a few more days, but weeks... What has suddenly changed today, on the 20th, that you didn't see coming, say, a week ago?

Sorry to be asking like that, but I'm just really disapointed. I come and check this thead everyday, hoping for good news...
Plus, I had made big plans for the following weeks, using this magical plugin... What am I gonna do??? :sad:

[Mark L. Pederson]

ohhh, not again:waaa:

Putting a target date on a software release is just that ... a target.

Obviously, MANY people want this yesterday.

All I can say is ... if you knew how hard, and how many people were working on this, and other RED post solutions while you sleep .... your head would spin.

Take a deep breath ... it's all coming.

[Giancarlo Bianchi]

Dont worry Deanan, I know you can pull it out!!

I rather have a working plugin, than a patched version trash crashes every once in a while!!!

Cheers for the good work!

[Salem Kapic]

Putting a target date on a software release is just that ... a target.

Obviously, MANY people want this yesterday.

All I can say is ... if you knew how hard, and how many people were working on this, and other RED post solutions while you sleep .... your head would spin.

Take a deep breath ... it's all coming.

Sorry. I appreciate Adobe plugin team work, but I'm just disappointed .

[Peter Plevritis]

Spoken like a true beta tester. Perhaps?

Yeah, I know about software. Sure, it's hard like a diamond. But it's really about managing expectations and project management.

It's all fine. Get it to work - I have no real choice.

Over a barrel,
Pete


Putting a target date on a software release is just that ... a target.

Obviously, MANY people want this yesterday.

All I can say is ... if you knew how hard, and how many people were working on this, and other RED post solutions while you sleep .... your head would spin.

Take a deep breath ... it's all coming.

[joshtownsend]

Here's from the forums at Adobe. They sure do pat themselves on the back for getting the software workable a month after release. Premiere CS4 4.0.0 was probably the first beta that people were actually charged for.

An update to Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 will be available via Adobe Update Manager shortly. The file will also be available for download tomorrow (November 20) on Adobe.com, as will the readme (at http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/premierepro/releasenotes.html). In the meantime, here is the text of the readme.

We're really excited about this update, especially considering we released CS4 just one month ago. To force an update, choose help --> find updates from any Adobe application. The AME update that releases with this update is required as well.

Important note: if you are using the Elemental Technologies RapiHD plug-in, you must update to the latest version in order to use Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 4.0.1. You can update the plug-in by visiting the Elemental Technologies web page: http://www.rapihd.com/?q=node/129”

New in this release
- OMF export
- Final Cut Pro import
- Edit in Audition (Windows only)
- Surcode support
- AAF import and export
- High quality motion
- Third-party support

Notable fixes
- Attempting to trim locked tracks results in a crash (#1888355)
- Crash on Win and error on Mac when using Numpad-Asterisk keys to generate marker when
playing in Program Pane when Effect Controls pane is closed (#1890626)
- Crash when the Metadata panel is brought into focus when a DVCPro HD clip is selected
(#1884633)
- When a filter/search is applied in the Metadata Panel and then a different asset is selected, the
filter does not update (#1876954)
- Custom schema causes Adobe Premiere Pro to crash performing many basic operations,
starting with New Project (#1888938)
- Render of transition in imported EDL-based sequence fails; on Mac, causes application to hang
indefinitely, user must be force-quit application (#1873434)
- After ASND is saved, an effect is always ON if it turns OFF while playing (#1864978)
- Crash when attempting to load a project that contains a composition if headless Adobe
Premiere Pro is serving Adobe After Effects (#1871578)
- Exporting video as MPEG 4 will create a video file that imports at the incorrect length
(#1851063)
- Trimming both ends of a clip, then moving the clip will cause looped playback to be silent, or
only playback portions of the clip (#1868409)
- When exporting a timeline containing cuepoints, deleting a cue point via AME Batch-> Export
Settings, the cue point is still present in the output file (#1866690)
- Playing an audio-only file in the source monitor will cause the application to lock up (#1887330)
- Exporting any MT session as 24bit WAV leads to garbled audio – Mac only (#1881684)
- Adobe Premiere Pro allocates too much memory and reads too much data from disk when
loading project files on the Mac (#1890579)
- With camera connected, opening clip from Timeline into Source and selecting File  Debug
results in a serious error (#1889197)
- Export to tape is active from DVCPRO HD sequences (#1863718)
- Application intermittently crashes when exporting a movie (#1868405)
- Render and Replace of offline clips takes over 20 minutes (#1885273)
- Application crashes when cancelling “Normalize Audio Track” dialog (#1887615)
- When an AVCHD clip is inserted into a DV timeline with Scale to Frame Size applied, rendered
previews of the clip show artifacts during Timeline playback (#1863988)
- Using scale to frame size in a timeline lowers output quality and softens detail and sharpness;
typing in scale attributes manually or using Adobe After Effects produces much better results
(#1527669)
- Multiplexed MPEG files exported to HD size and then imported back in to Adobe Premiere Pro
show up as 601 color space instead of 709 color space and hence the colors of the imported
files are off (#1852977)

HERE"S WHAT IS STILL A MATTER.

Known issues for Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 4.0.1

- Re-installing Adobe Premiere Pro CS4.0.0 after it has been patched will generate an error dialog at the end of the installation. This dialog can be ignored.
- Uninstalling Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 after CS4 is installed will result in AME exports in CS4 to fail with ‘Could not read from the source’. Creating a shortcut named Premiere alongside the dynamiclinkmanager.exe that points to the Premiere.exe will fix the problem.
- When converting Final Cut Pro project with Color correction applied, the color correction will be incorrect within Adobe Premiere Pro.
- When converting Final Cut Pro project with Bins, the bins do not appear in Adobe Premiere Pro unless selected in the Final Cut Pro xml export.
- Multicamera enable sequence with HDV clips does not playback as normal; severe drop frame or stopping playback occurs
- Audio in a nested 16 channel sequence does not simultaneously playback all of its audio tracks in the Source Monitor.
- File>Adobe Dynamic Link>Send to Encore selection is available when a 16 channel sequence is selected; however, Adobe Encore does not support 16 channel sequences.
- File>Export>Export to OMF... selection is grayed when the Audio Mixer Panel is selected on the Mac.
- File>Export>Export to EDL... selection is grayed when the Audio Mixer Panel is selected on the Mac.
- 5.1 sequences use output mapping from the stereo channel column of the Preferences>Audio Output Mapping dialog when the audio device selected from the Map Output for menu has less than 6 channels.
- All 16 channels of a 16 channel sequence are summed to mono without attenuation when exported as media when Audio>Basic Audio Settings>Channels is set to Mono.
- Both odd and even numbered channels of a 16 channel sequence are summed to both stereo channels when exported as media when Audio>Basic Audio Settings>Channels is set to Stereo.
- 16-channel selection does not appear in the Export Settings dialog Basic Audio Settings
Channels menu when a 16-channel sequence is selected.
- All channels of a 16 channel sequence are summed to Ls, Rs and Center channels when
exported as media when Audio>Basic Audio Settings>Channels is set to 5.1.
- Setting the Optimize Rendering preference to “Memory” is highly recommended when Max Quality or Max Bit Depth rendering is on. These settings are designed for high performance systems. Please check Adobe Online Support for recommended system requirements.
- Loading an existing project with a P2 sequence that is missing media may cause a crash.
- Adobe Premiere Pro crashes when importing AAF from Avid if it contains references to clips with OMF audio (WAVE or AIFF).
- AAF may not provide consistent results for complex projects in formats other than DV or HDV.

[Rick Darge]

Yes. As much as it pains all of us to delay the release, we need all the ducks lined up.

Deanan, based on 'Jannard Time', one week equates to 16 weeks. So does that mean we have to wait another 16-48 weeks??

;)

[Andrae Palmer]

Deanan, based on 'Jannard Time', one week equates to 16 weeks. So does that mean we have to wait another 16-48 weeks??

;)

LOL... the veterans on here know its a long haul.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Thank God I don't have to wait for this stuff.
Jay

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Thank God I don't have to wait for this stuff.
Jay


Spill some beans for us, please. :biggrin:

[Craig Bowman]

Jay is referring to his use of cineform.

[joshtownsend]

Unless Adobe puts some more techs to figuring out all the Premiere cs4's core editing bugs you might as well wait. The Adobe Media Encoder can't spawn copies of the program for each core with 4bg ram/per core like After Effects can. That's something nobody has addressed.

[david farland]

Deanan, based on 'Jannard Time', one week equates to 16 weeks. So does that mean we have to wait another 16-48 weeks??

.

LOL... the veterans on here know its a long haul. Other just take it as a cheap shot!!


We're almost there, but there are a few tweaks that we want to the make to the plug-in before we release it.

So your saying a few more weeks for the release?

Yes.


Deanan, please stop saying this as you said it quite a few time over the last months.

People make 'loose' plans/purchases based on it and it can affect them quite badly.
One example, we go out and make CS3 product purchases based on this information and now must purchase CS4.
This mis-information only fuels fires/problems.
Sorry to put it like this but the pattern hasn't changed.
D

[Paolo Tinari]

I feel like you could have told us that earlier... Why couln't you do so?
We are not talking about a few more days, but weeks... What has suddenly changed today, on the 20th, that you didn't see coming, say, a week ago?

Sorry to be asking like that, but I'm just really disapointed. I come and check this thead everyday, hoping for good news...
Plus, I had made big plans for the following weeks, using this magical plugin... What am I gonna do??? :sad:
Buy a Birger mount

[Paolo Tinari]

Thank God I don't have to wait for this stuff.
Jay

:wink:

[Rainer Fritz]

Here's from the forums at Adobe. They sure do pat themselves on the back for getting the software workable a month after release. Premiere CS4 4.0.0 was probably the first beta that people were actually charged for.

An update to Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 will be available via Adobe Update Manager shortly. The file will also be available for download tomorrow (November 20) on Adobe.com, as will the readme (at http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/premierepro/releasenotes.html). In the meantime, here is the text of the readme.

We're really excited about this update, especially considering we released CS4 just one month ago. To force an update, choose help --> find updates from any Adobe application. The AME update that releases with this update is required as well.

Important note: if you are using the Elemental Technologies RapiHD plug-in, you must update to the latest version in order to use Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 4.0.1. You can update the plug-in by visiting the Elemental Technologies web page: http://www.rapihd.com/?q=node/129”

New in this release
- OMF export
- Final Cut Pro import
- Edit in Audition (Windows only)
- Surcode support
- AAF import and export
- High quality motion
- Third-party support

Notable fixes
- Attempting to trim locked tracks results in a crash (#1888355)
- Crash on Win and error on Mac when using Numpad-Asterisk keys to generate marker when
playing in Program Pane when Effect Controls pane is closed (#1890626)
- Crash when the Metadata panel is brought into focus when a DVCPro HD clip is selected
(#1884633)
- When a filter/search is applied in the Metadata Panel and then a different asset is selected, the
filter does not update (#1876954)
- Custom schema causes Adobe Premiere Pro to crash performing many basic operations,
starting with New Project (#1888938)
- Render of transition in imported EDL-based sequence fails; on Mac, causes application to hang
indefinitely, user must be force-quit application (#1873434)
- After ASND is saved, an effect is always ON if it turns OFF while playing (#1864978)
- Crash when attempting to load a project that contains a composition if headless Adobe
Premiere Pro is serving Adobe After Effects (#1871578)
- Exporting video as MPEG 4 will create a video file that imports at the incorrect length
(#1851063)
- Trimming both ends of a clip, then moving the clip will cause looped playback to be silent, or
only playback portions of the clip (#1868409)
- When exporting a timeline containing cuepoints, deleting a cue point via AME Batch-> Export
Settings, the cue point is still present in the output file (#1866690)
- Playing an audio-only file in the source monitor will cause the application to lock up (#1887330)
- Exporting any MT session as 24bit WAV leads to garbled audio – Mac only (#1881684)
- Adobe Premiere Pro allocates too much memory and reads too much data from disk when
loading project files on the Mac (#1890579)
- With camera connected, opening clip from Timeline into Source and selecting File  Debug
results in a serious error (#1889197)
- Export to tape is active from DVCPRO HD sequences (#1863718)
- Application intermittently crashes when exporting a movie (#1868405)
- Render and Replace of offline clips takes over 20 minutes (#1885273)
- Application crashes when cancelling “Normalize Audio Track” dialog (#1887615)
- When an AVCHD clip is inserted into a DV timeline with Scale to Frame Size applied, rendered
previews of the clip show artifacts during Timeline playback (#1863988)
- Using scale to frame size in a timeline lowers output quality and softens detail and sharpness;
typing in scale attributes manually or using Adobe After Effects produces much better results
(#1527669)
- Multiplexed MPEG files exported to HD size and then imported back in to Adobe Premiere Pro
show up as 601 color space instead of 709 color space and hence the colors of the imported
files are off (#1852977)

HERE"S WHAT IS STILL A MATTER.

Known issues for Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 4.0.1

- Re-installing Adobe Premiere Pro CS4.0.0 after it has been patched will generate an error dialog at the end of the installation. This dialog can be ignored.
- Uninstalling Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 after CS4 is installed will result in AME exports in CS4 to fail with ‘Could not read from the source’. Creating a shortcut named Premiere alongside the dynamiclinkmanager.exe that points to the Premiere.exe will fix the problem.
- When converting Final Cut Pro project with Color correction applied, the color correction will be incorrect within Adobe Premiere Pro.
- When converting Final Cut Pro project with Bins, the bins do not appear in Adobe Premiere Pro unless selected in the Final Cut Pro xml export.
- Multicamera enable sequence with HDV clips does not playback as normal; severe drop frame or stopping playback occurs
- Audio in a nested 16 channel sequence does not simultaneously playback all of its audio tracks in the Source Monitor.
- File>Adobe Dynamic Link>Send to Encore selection is available when a 16 channel sequence is selected; however, Adobe Encore does not support 16 channel sequences.
- File>Export>Export to OMF... selection is grayed when the Audio Mixer Panel is selected on the Mac.
- File>Export>Export to EDL... selection is grayed when the Audio Mixer Panel is selected on the Mac.
- 5.1 sequences use output mapping from the stereo channel column of the Preferences>Audio Output Mapping dialog when the audio device selected from the Map Output for menu has less than 6 channels.
- All 16 channels of a 16 channel sequence are summed to mono without attenuation when exported as media when Audio>Basic Audio Settings>Channels is set to Mono.
- Both odd and even numbered channels of a 16 channel sequence are summed to both stereo channels when exported as media when Audio>Basic Audio Settings>Channels is set to Stereo.
- 16-channel selection does not appear in the Export Settings dialog Basic Audio Settings
Channels menu when a 16-channel sequence is selected.
- All channels of a 16 channel sequence are summed to Ls, Rs and Center channels when
exported as media when Audio>Basic Audio Settings>Channels is set to 5.1.
- Setting the Optimize Rendering preference to “Memory” is highly recommended when Max Quality or Max Bit Depth rendering is on. These settings are designed for high performance systems. Please check Adobe Online Support for recommended system requirements.
- Loading an existing project with a P2 sequence that is missing media may cause a crash.
- Adobe Premiere Pro crashes when importing AAF from Avid if it contains references to clips with OMF audio (WAVE or AIFF).
- AAF may not provide consistent results for complex projects in formats other than DV or HDV.


ohhh shi... this list is long....

:)

[Cüneyt Kaya]

i did bet 50 € with a friend that this update will not come until the end of the week.

sadly enough i have won.

I`ll bet the SDK for RAW debayering will not come in the next 4 months.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Thank God I don't have to wait for this stuff.
Jay

Mark my words Jay ... you'll be using "this stuff" and loving it ...

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

So, the Adobe plugin kinda makes Cineform obsolete? :bleh:

[Paolo Tinari]

i did bet 50 € with a friend that this update will not come until the end of the week.

sadly enough i have won.

I`ll bet the SDK for RAW debayering will not come in the next 4 months.
Kaya please, stop betting. Join gamblers anonymous. (you didnt bet on the audio enabling build or the audio board program, hu?)

[Paolo Tinari]

So, the Adobe plugin kinda makes Cineform obsolete? :bleh:
It looks you are right... but in the meantime those not waiting for scarlets and epics need to edit :bleh:

[C.H.Haskell]

Am I going to have to learn Adobe premiere now? WTF apple?

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Kaya please, stop betting. Join gamblers anonymous. (you didnt bet on the audio enabling build or the audio board program, hu?)

i have some more 50 € bets.
1)i will earn more on post then on my red again in the next 3 months.
2)rental fees will go down (in germany) to 200 € per day without lens in the next 2 months---seems to happen on december 1st.---(its not me)
3) ac milan will be the italian champion

[Lucas Wilson]

Sorry. I appreciate Adobe plugin team work, but I'm just disappointed .


I feel like you could have told us that earlier... Why couln't you do so?...but I'm just really disapointed. I come and check this thead everyday, hoping for good news...
Plus, I had made big plans for the following weeks, using this magical plugin... What am I gonna do??? :sad:


wow. hearing this on the 20th.


ohhh, not again:waaa:


i did bet 50 € with a friend that this update will not come until the end of the week. sadly enough i have won. I`ll bet the SDK for RAW debayering will not come in the next 4 months.


People make 'loose' plans/purchases based on it and it can affect them quite badly. One example, we go out and make CS3 product purchases based on this information and now must purchase CS4. This mis-information only fuels fires/problems. Sorry to put it like this but the pattern hasn't changed.

Deanan from RED, and Simon Hayhurst from Adobe are both contributing here and trying to give you guys as much information as possible. If you don't know who Simon is, look him up... he is one of the very senior people on the CS team within Adobe.

Software is just that - soft. The RED guys and the Adobe team are working their asses off to get this out. I've witnessed first-hand this week in Japan exactly how hard the Adobe team is working. Release dates slip. It's the nature of the beast with technology. It happens to big and small companies.

With this kind of negativity, I'm really surprised that Deanan posts anything.

Lucas

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Deanan from RED, and Simon Hayhurst from Adobe are both contributing here and trying to give you guys as much information as possible. If you don't know who Simon is, look him up... he is one of the very senior people on the CS team within Adobe.

Software is just that - soft. The RED guys and the Adobe team are working their asses off to get this out. I've witnessed first-hand this week in Japan exactly how hard the Adobe team is working. Release dates slip. It's the nature of the beast with technology. It happens to big and small companies.

With this kind of negativity, I'm really surprised that Deanan posts anything.

Lucas

sorry to deanan...i will donate him the 50 €...the fcp plug in is out there right now...

deanan give me your paypal account..i am serious...hehe

[joshtownsend]

Gimmi a break. This plug-in has been delayed from 'hard release' dates at least three times. There's a reason to be upset, even if knowing RED's always late, when the release date goes from two months ago ('by the end of the week') to Nov. 13th to fer-sure the 20th then on the 20th it's delayed a few more weeks.

Sometime during the week, didn't you guys think, 'hey we might need to delay this a few more weeks' maybe we should tell someone?

I do think a lot of it is because of Adobe's duct tape-style fixes and and that since partnered RED isn't gonna blame Adobe.

[David Newman]

So, the Adobe plugin kinda makes Cineform obsolete? :bleh:

We don't expect so. We believe there will be an excellent co-existance, CineForm is the best render to codec on both Mac and PC platforms, something that REDCODE doesn't have. So for native REDCODE Adobe users we expect to sell a lot of NEO 4K licenses. Also for online work, and HDSDI finishing, only CineForm is real-time with Prospect HD/4K, as the CineForm decoder at 1080p / 2K is multi-stream real-time over HDSDI. For any class of PC, the CineForm solution will decode an average of 4+ times pixel count than the equivalent REDCODE. So a CineForm installation lowers the cost of your new PC -- related check out the speed of the Core-i7 (http://cineform.blogspot.com/2008/11/intel-core-i7-and-cineform.html.) None of the even considers the advantages we have mixing multiple camera sources and using CineForm Active Metadata. We look forward to the release of the Adobe R3D plugin, as it will clearly show how CineForm can help.

We are helping the workflow through choice.

[david farland]

Software is just that - soft.
With this kind of negativity, I'm really surprised that Deanan posts anything. Lucas
Lucas,

Please don't give me marketing spin...!

I've run software development teams for 15 years.
I know what it is and what it isn't.
I know what it's like to do 100hr/weeks for months as the developers girlsfriend get increasingly pissed at me.

I also know the way to report to clients.
The team has my utmost respect...as does the customer!

D

[joshtownsend]

We look forward to the release of the Adobe R3D plugin, as it will clearly show how CineForm can help.


Damn.......Cineform, has a working workflow on November 20th and Adobe doesn't. Also the Premiere update says it now supports 3rd part codecs. Does that mean Aspect will now work with cs4?

[David Newman]

Damn.......Cineform, has aworking workflow on November 20th and Adobe doesn't. Also the Premiere update says it now supports 3rd part codecs. Does that mean Aspect will now work with cs4?

Actually we had a working Red/Adobe workflow nearly year ago, but that upset the status quo, but we had official support since the SDK release under CS2 and CS3, and we adding CS4 (we needed to wait for the 4.0.1 release also.) Our "plugins" are more complex than Red's, include many modules for rendering, playback, and Direct I/O card integration, so our CS4 upgrades will not be out until the December timeframe, but in the meantime the older Premiere setups are working.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

It looks you are right... but in the meantime those not waiting for scarlets and epics need to edit :bleh:


Yeah, I was joking (kinda :bleh:).

I know Cineform is a solid solution, but it's a bit pricey for a wild indie like me. :gun:

[shashbugu]

ha ha ha, yeh i gave up waiting a while ago and went with FCP and clipfinder. It is encouraging though that you can import an FCP project. Adobe is very smart.

[MikeHedge]

so you can import a .fcp project... if I change bins around and timeline and do some editing can I then export that and see the changes back on a fcp machine? also if the fcp project is all .mov files and I´m on a PC will they play natively or with the red bar?

[dgould]

Hi Deanan,

As a fellow programmer I appreciate the complexities of developing software. We have completed a shoot using two RED One cameras and have hired an editor starting the coming Monday. We did this assuming that the PPro plugin would be available on the 20th. Admittedly we understand that we'd have some teething problems but we simply can't leave it any later to begin editing (the editor's schedule, etc) and the RED plugin was a major part of that plan. We don't use After Effects, as we use Shake for our compositing.

Would it be possible to join the beta testing team? I've been involved with many beta testing projects in the past including many with Autodesk.

Right now we really need this plugin in, even if it is a little rough around the edges. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

www.davidgould.com

[SalaTar]

Hi Deanan,

As a fellow programmer I appreciate the complexities of developing software. We have completed a shoot using two RED One cameras and have hired an editor starting the coming Monday. We did this assuming that the PPro plugin would be available on the 20th. Admittedly we understand that we'd have some teething problems but we simply can't leave it any later to begin editing (the editor's schedule, etc) and the RED plugin was a major part of that plan. We don't use After Effects, as we use Shake for our compositing.

Would it be possible to join the beta testing team? I've been involved with many beta testing projects in the past including many with Autodesk.

Right now we really need this plugin in, even if it is a little rough around the edges. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

www.davidgould.com


They had to make the native FCP plug first...Got to meet those behind the door agreements.

I would bet Adobe isnt happy with RED at this time

[SalaTar]

Rickrolling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling) REDrolling should be the same term

[shashbugu]

so you can import a .fcp project... if I change bins around and timeline and do some editing can I then export that and see the changes back on a fcp machine? also if the fcp project is all .mov files and I´m on a PC will they play natively or with the red bar?

check this out
http://www.red.com/support/release_history/8

i am glad i edited my feature using fcp, now how do i swap, from proxies to the real deal

[Salem Kapic]

Has Adobe lost its strategic advantage over Apple due to a delay in release of the RED RAW support plugin, considering that Apple has released its support today?

[Marcus Flack]

You bet it. It is 13th November.
Hey there, well November 13th has passed, where is this plug in, certainly not available from red.com/support Does anyone have this plug in yet? if so is it possible to get it emailed or anything, I AM DESPERATE! I have a video clip I have to deliver in 1 week from now, and I am a Premiere NINJA and want to work natively.
Any help would be SO HELPFUL

Peace and love to all you helpful people out there!

[Rick Darge]

Has Adobe lost its strategic advantage over Apple due to a delay in release of the RED RAW support plugin, considering that Apple has released its support today?

It's interesting how we were told Nov 20 for the Adobe update, then out of nowhere, and FCP update.

WTF

[AntonyCASAFilms]

nov 20th

Or perhaps not.

[AntonyCASAFilms]

Sorry for the confusion. There's some last minute work being done on the plugin so it's not quite ready to be put up on the support site yet.

Ah, yes. I remember that was the announcement back in August too.

Does that mean another 3 or 4 month wait :-)

[Sanjin Jukic]

Ah, yes. I remember that was the announcement back in August too.

Does that mean another 3 or 4 month wait :-)

In between switch to Mac.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Has Adobe lost its strategic advantage over Apple due to a delay in release of the RED RAW support plugin, considering that Apple has released its support today?

Of course not. Don't be silly. A "strategic" advantage isn't always about who get's there first. Sometimes is about doing it better.

As a REDUSER, you should be cheering on Apple, Adobe and EVERYONE for RED post solutions.

The more tools that exist - the more it raises the bar for companies to DO IT BETTER -

Go Apple! Go Adobe! Go Avid! Go EVERYBODY!!

[Gunleik Groven]

Mark, couldn't agree more...

[AntonyCASAFilms]

I have a video clip I have to deliver in 1 week from now, and I am a Premiere NINJA and want to work natively.


I think your only Premiere option for now is to use Redcine to create a QT and bring that into Premiere. Works a treat for me.

Only downside is the time to render.

[Sebastian Lindblad]

Go Apple! Go Adobe! Go Avid! Go EVERYBODY!!

Go Vegas??? :innocent:

[Antoine Baumann]

get smoked ;-)

[shashbugu]

Of course not. Don't be silly. A "strategic" advantage isn't always about who get's there first. Sometimes is about doing it better.

As a REDUSER, you should be cheering on Apple, Adobe and EVERYONE for RED post solutions.

The more tools that exist - the more it raises the bar for companies to DO IT BETTER -

Go Apple! Go Adobe! Go Avid! Go EVERYBODY!!

Mark every post as to who gets the job done first is just tongue in cheek, nobody should be serious about forcing a company to provide a free plugin/ update. I think we are having fun pushing these software programmers and designers to thier limits. Its all in good appreciation even though we sound sarcastic at times.

[shashbugu]

Hey there, well November 13th has passed, where is this plug in, certainly not available from red.com/support Does anyone have this plug in yet? if so is it possible to get it emailed or anything, I AM DESPERATE! I have a video clip I have to deliver in 1 week from now, and I am a Premiere NINJA and want to work natively.
Any help would be SO HELPFUL

Peace and love to all you helpful people out there!

it is a huge risk to bet on beta software for such an important project. What if they decide that the plugin wont be here till they release scarlet? remember it is a free plugin and most of the 5000 or so red owners are given priority, you can imagine if they have 30,000 to buy the cam they already afforded workflows. so it will be advisable to find a different method to work with your footage.

[SalaTar]

it is a huge risk to bet on beta software for such an important project.

RED has NON beta software? :cold:

[Kaku Ito]

I did see the plugin demo by Adobe Japan at InterBEE.

[Marcus Flack]

hey there, what codec do you output your quicktimes to? And what type of res are you working with natively in Prem?
Peace

[Marcus Flack]

it is a huge risk to bet on beta software for such an important project. What if they decide that the plugin wont be here till they release scarlet? remember it is a free plugin and most of the 5000 or so red owners are given priority, you can imagine if they have 30,000 to buy the cam they already afforded workflows. so it will be advisable to find a different method to work with your footage.
Hey there, forgot to quote in the last post I made. What codec do you output your QT movies as. And what kinda of res are you working natively with in Premiere?
Peace

[Josué Ignacio Saldaña]

We'll have it before Thanksgiving. Just wrapping up a couple of bits, and along with the plug-in (downloadable from RED/support and linked from Adobe) will be a Premiere Pro and After Effects update to CS4 that is required (read you'll be much happier if you take the update)...
Simon Hayhurst
Adobe Dynamic Media Team


Adobe plugin update:
... In addition, there is going to be an After
Effects update out in the next couple of weeks which is essential to our
ability to create a really good workflow for RED files.

Mr. Hayhurst... does your statement still hold?.. or has your schedule been backed-up by a "couple of weeks?"

Trying to wrap my head around delivery dates :mail1:

[Mike F.]

Will this plug in work with CS3 or only CS4?

[Deanan]

Mr. Hayhurst... does your statement still hold?.. or has your schedule been backed-up by a "couple of weeks?"

Trying to wrap my head around delivery dates :mail1:


The Adobe team is working extremely hard to get it out asap. We'll have another update on where things stand next week.

[Deanan]

Will this plug in work with CS3 or only CS4?

CS4.01 only as CS3 didn't have some features to support the workflow properly.

[Joyfool]

CS4.01 only as CS3 didn't have some features to support the workflow properly.

Is there a post or article that outlines the intended function of the plug in?

I'm sure many of you have seen this...but I just stumbled upon it.

Impressive, especially since it's from August.

http://mbsdirect.com/redone/

http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/2008/08/new_red_camera_adobe_support_1.html#more

[Kaku Ito]

How I see new FCP support is not quite as robust as newly coming Adobe CS4 workflow in resolution independent and metadata handling, so I would expect rewrite in apps to support such environment. I saw CS4 and Matrox Axio was working really great and also, the demo given by Adobe Japan on RED ONE support was promising.

[C.K.]

How I see new FCP support is not quite as robust as newly coming Adobe CS4 workflow in resolution independent and metadata handling, so I would expect rewrite in apps to support such environment. I saw CS4 and Matrox Axio was working really great and also, the demo given by Adobe Japan on RED ONE support was promising.

Metadata Handling?
Does that mean there is a chance that, within Premiere or AE, the plugin will provide access to some of the RAW tweaking like in Redcine? (Iso, gamma etc.)

[Kaku Ito]

Metadata Handling?
Does that mean there is a chance that, within Premiere or AE, the plugin will provide access to some of the RAW tweaking like in Redcine? (Iso, gamma etc.)

You can even see that in the previous QT that DAV provided, but yes, Adobe support seems to be working just like how the Cineform active metadata works. Even the Encore works the same way. The best of all, you can change the metadata, work through during the process but they are not destructive if I'm not mistaken.

Also, the resolution you work with is not even destructive. You can choose the low resolution and lower debayer level to match your CPU speed, do (should I say active-offline) offline, then when you finally encode to the final master, then you put the resolution back to the highest. Apple doesn't do this even with the new support.

[AntonyCASAFilms]

Premiere CS4 4.0.0 was probably the first beta that people were actually charged for.

No. I think Microsoft were doing that trick over 10 years ago :wacko:

[AntonyCASAFilms]

hey there, what codec do you output your quicktimes to? And what type of res are you working with natively in Prem?
Peace

Hi Marcus,

Not sure if that question was to my post, or someone else's.

I have been outputing as 1080p using QT with H.264

Then importing into Premiere CS2. Works a treat.

One small issue is that none of the colour changes I applied in Redcine seemed to be applied, but I did that in Premiere, so not a big problem.

I can't comment about audio though, as the project I am doing this for does not have any audio.

Antony

[C.K.]

You can even see that in the previous QT that DAV provided, but yes, Adobe support seems to be working just like how the Cineform active metadata works. Even the Encore works the same way. The best of all, you can change the metadata, work through during the process but they are not destructive if I'm not mistaken.

Do you have a link to that video? I saw a video (back in august) in which you could see the resolution-independant capabilities of Premiere... But nowhere did I see anybody tweaking the iso/gamma from a r3d file within any adobe program... You sure of that???

That would be grrrreat! :w00t:

[Michael Morlan]

subscribing... eagerly... :)

[Kaku Ito]

I don't think I was dreaming, but we have to make sure. Maybe confusing with Cineform.

[C.K.]

I don't think I was dreaming, but we have to make sure. Maybe confusing with Cineform.

Can anybody clarify ??

[MikeHedge]

news?

[Obin Olson]

check red.com/support for the plugin when it's live.

[Joyfool]

Here's the video link http://mbsdirect.com/redone/

it looks like they demo non destructive premier effects but it doesn't seem to be a "red room" environment to manipulate camera metadada. I wouldn't be surprised if they release the plugin with an adobe version of red room... Here's hoping.

[Kaku Ito]

Ah, right, so only the decode setting, the detail, denoise, sharpen parameters are non destructive on the video. Sorry, it was my imagination then. But the resolution independent is so much better here than the current FCP workflow.

[John O'Brien]

Here is a link to an Adobe PDF talking briefly about things to come. They just recently released the update of Premiere Pro 4.0.1 which re-architected for 64bit OS to utilize more memory. The AE release isn't scheduled until December sometime, hopefully around the same time the R3D plug-in becomes available.

http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/pdfs/red_adobe_cs4_beta.pdf

[Jonathan Josenhans]

This question might sound a little silly, but I am genuinely confused:

Is the R3D plugin for Premiere (Windows) released or not? There is an older post by one of the Administrators saying that is will be releases on the 20th of November. And there are a couple a press releases and annoucements

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-4-0-1-Available-Download-Here-98393.shtml

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/technology/news/2008/11/adobe_and_red_test_r3d_workflow.html

http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/10212.html

all stating that the plugin can be downloaded on the red.com/support page. I looked there a couple times, but I couldn't find it.

Do i have to write to someone and ask for the plugin? How do I get it?

Thanks,
Jonathan

[floh]

Jonathan,
the release has been delayed. Still not out…

[Jonathan Josenhans]

the release has been delayed. Still not out…

Thanks for the quick answer!
Is there any indication of when to expect the plugin now?

[david farland]

The Adobe team is working extremely hard to get it out asap. We'll have another update on where things stand next week.

Dunno...is the answer. right now I'd say between jan & april...
D

[SalaTar]

Dunno...is the answer. right now I'd say between jan & april...
D

Seems David has his "good luck" time tables right, wait and see

[Josué Ignacio Saldaña]

:mellow: ...

[Jonathan Josenhans]

The Adobe team is working extremely hard to get it out asap. We'll have another update on where things stand next week.
D

I have one more question; again i am confused... :shifty:

Is the Plugin developed by Adobe or Red. I initiall thought Adobe, than i read that Red is doing it and now the quote above suggests Adobe again...

[Gian Joon]

Jonathan, it is primarily being developed by RED but ADOBE is helping them big time.

[Gian Joon]

And hopefully there will be be an update this week.....:calm:

[Karim Iglesias]

i just see this on http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/
it says "NOW AVAILABLE" ,,so where is it?

[Paul Hazlett]

If you click on the link its tells you it will be available from Red....when available.

[Gian Joon]

Early December is fast changing into Mid December. But there is no sign of PLUG IN yet......

[Kaku Ito]

I hear the more casual beta testers are getting theirs in a couple of weeks.

[Murat Civcik]

Yeaah ! it is relased on , i am downloading trial version !

[Cam Crowley]

Yeaah ! it is relased on , i am downloading trial version !

Ummm - where exactly?

Or are you just being amazingly witty?

[Murat Civcik]

ahaa sorry i mean adobe premiere CS4..

[Josué Ignacio Saldaña]

:help: plug-in :help:

[Gian Joon]

:calm: :calm: :calm: :calm:

[Keith Nealy]

Deenan, any chance of an update?

People (and my clients) are getting very restless... and concerned.

What with rumored layoffs at Adobe, these delays don't bring confidence that Windows will ever have a workable solution.

Say were still OK and on track and that we will be thrilled beyond our wildest expectations?

Well, at least something that will work on windows? Some of us have made sizable investments in powerful new systems based on a promise that RED would be more than Apple-centric and now those systems are rapidly becoming obsolete.

I'm trying to be patient so all I am asking for is a tidbit of information so I can maintain some glimmer of hope in this rapidly declining economy. I just lost a feature because of workflow concerns and consideration on another for the same reason.

Thanks for your hard work in trying to make this happen - that is never in question.

aloha, Keith

[Adrian Van Rossum]

Check this out - looks like audio and all - LINK (http://www.dv3productions.com/ADOBE-RED.jpg) :usd:

[Stacey Spears]

Has Adobe released the AE update yet? The last RED posted was the update has a dependency on the AE update due out this month.

[MiguelOrtega]

for real, since when is red shy to release a beta!!

[Emmanuel Cambier]

for real, since when is red shy to release a beta!!

lol:)

[Esteban Sosnitsky]

Deanan, any update since nov 22 that you could share???
:calm: :calm: :calm: :sarcasm:

[Kenn Michael]

At least one of the holdups is that Adobe needs to release not only the 4.0.1 update for Premiere (which they have), but also the 4.0.1 update for AfterEffects (which they haven't and are supposed to do this month).

[Brent@RED]

Better than an update :)

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23555

BC

[david farland]

Deanan & Team,

Huge warm thanks!!!

Best communication you could ever put out so shutup those PITA's (like me!)
Particularly good in getting it out ahead of what we last expected!!!

Beers, drugs & girls all round!!
I hope Red gives you and your girlfriends/wives or both, huge bonus/holiday etc for this.
D,

[Deanan]

Deanan & Team,

Huge warm thanks!!!

Best communication you could ever put out so shutup those PITA's (like me!)
Particularly good in getting it out ahead of what we last expected!!!

Beers, drugs & girls all round!!
I hope Red gives you and your girlfriends/wives or both, huge bonus/holiday etc for this.
D,

The Adobe team (and Rob) deserve a huge thanks for tremendous amount of work they put in to make this happen.

This is only the start as the integration will only continue to get better.

[David Groundwater]

great stuff, thanks

[Josué Ignacio Saldaña]

:waaa: thank you

[Scott Roberts]

Beautiful, thanks Red and Adobe!