A taste...

[aombk]

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/25456/2008ro4.jpg

[Eki Halkka]

You know what, on a serious note... any TWO of these would be an accurate measure of "wildest expectations" IMHO.

And I'd take A and C. :innocent:

I'd take A & D. And i'd be happy to pay 1-2K more for f1.2 ;-)

[Jonathan Payne]

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/25456/2008ro4.jpg

Nicely done :) :) :)

[Ivan G]

NO! Everything but the lens!! And maybe the matte box.

[Roberto Lequeux]

I'd take A & D. And i'd be happy to pay 1-2K more for f1.2 ;-)

Yea... me too :sorcerer:
(it would take some serious magic)

but just to clarify once more for others reading this, do not expect anything faster than 2.4f and most likely will be something like 2.6f. Based on what I've gathered...


NO! Everything but the lens!! And maybe the matte box.

Yes! My sentiments exactly! lol... noooo... wait,let me just take this, and this... ok, here ya go, have fun... CRASH CRASH CRASH!

hahaha!

[Michael Panfeld]

My hope is that Jim has recognized that there is a lot of S16 glass out there which, coupled with something like the JVC HZ-CA13U PL MOUNT FILM LENS ADAPTER, which is made for 1/3" sensors, or the Anginieux HD/Prime adapter made for 2/3" sensors, will allow unbelievable and still pretty cheap results.

[Roberto Lequeux]

My hope is that Jim has recognized that there is a lot of S16 glass out there which, coupled with something like the JVC HZ-CA13U PL MOUNT FILM LENS ADAPTER, which is made for 1/3" sensors, or the Anginieux HD/Prime adapter made for 2/3" sensors, will allow unbelievable and still pretty cheap results.

not sure if I follow what you are saying

[Michael Panfeld]

I am saying that I hope that the Nov 13th announcement will be an option for interchangeable lenses, perhaps combined with an all optical adapter such as the two that I mentioned.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Yup... that is a small possibility... but more than interchangeable 2/3 glass we would want 35mm glass and that would require a ground glass adapter...

I say Red should buy up Letus or SGpro :)

I say SGpro cause they already have a red forum! :D

[Joseph Hutson]

I am saying that I hope that the Nov 13th announcement will be an option for interchangeable lenses, perhaps combined with an all optical adapter such as the two that I mentioned.

The DSMC might be your answer. :blush: We shall see though.

[Michael Panfeld]

Yup... that is a small possibility... but more than interchangeable 2/3 glass we would want 35mm glass and that would require a ground glass adapter...

no, the Anginieux is an all optical (no ground glass) adapter to fit 35mm cine lenses with PL mounts to a B4 mount on 2/3" cams. So all RED has to do is have a B4 mount as an option on the Scarlet, and your wish will come true.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Wow... so the 35mm sized image get's shrunk to the S16 size... does that give us all the benefits? I guess it does... how come nobody is doing this then? Letus, SG, RedRock, etc, etc... many companies are out there and all use GGs, rotating, vibrating, even stationary, but none use this method... why?

This sounds excellent! Tell me more! :holloween:

EDIT: Does it exist already? I can't find it...

[David Rasberry]

A straight lens mount adapter will not reduce the image size of the attached lens, it will be cropped.

[Mitch Gross]

The Angenieux CLA-55 adapter is an arial imaging optical relay device. It shirks the magnification down to fit onto a smaller sensor, but while the field of view is maintained (no cropping), the depth of field characteristics are largely lost. To maintain both field of view and depth of field one needs to have a focus plane instead of an arial imaging plane (read: a surface to focus on instead of thin air). This is why the Pro-35 and all of the various other adapter systems have imaging surfaces.

[Jarred Land]

Correct Mitch..thats the bad thing about Relay lenses, and almost all of the people that buy those 35mm adapters are looking for one thing.. and that's narrow depth of field.

[Jannard]

Not exactly sure what this is... :-)

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

[Nathan Garofalos]

That is soooooooooooo sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nathan Garofalos]

Thats not even CG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brook Willard]

But chances are lots of us will want one soon.

[Roberto Lequeux]

OMG!!!!

What is that? :ohmy:

lol...

[Jarred Land]

heh heh heh....

[Brook Willard]

I'm so confused. It looks like a dock or something.

[Jannard]

Thats not even CG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jarred's photography?

Jim

[ssnare]

What ever it is it looks fast!

[Michael Cory]

Any Ideas what that is?

[Roberto Lequeux]

Is that the foot of the robot that beats up the Sony lizard and the Panavision gorilla? :ph34r:


What ever it is it looks fast!

I agree! :w00t:

[Nathan Garofalos]

Jarred's photography?

Jim

Yeah, I thought we were going to see some CG graphics of whatever that is on the 13th, not the actual product its self...

Seriously, everyday I am more amazed by what everyone at RED is doing, its insanely awesome! :-) THANKYOU

[Roberto Lequeux]

Dude... we are getting much more than that... Expect a milk girls footage type unveiling!


I'm so confused. It looks like a dock or something.

I think it is the base for Epic.. I mean, what the crap could it be otherwise?
Whatever it is it is going to rock AND look sexy!

[Martin Weiss]

What a nice view to wake up to.

Been pondering what it might be, but no clue whatsoever. Are those holes for support bars? Since there are connectors, I would guess that it is the rear of the camera - if it is a camera, that is...

[Peter Mosiman]

holy shit. holy shit. holy shit. that is the coolest shot of "nothing" i have ever seen. ahhhhhhhhhh

[Roberto Lequeux]

Are those holes for support bars? Since there are connectors, I would guess that it is the rear of the camera - if it is a camera, that is...

Exactly... 15mm ready too... so Epic's booty IMO

[Brook Willard]

Dude... we are getting much more than that... Expect a milk girls footage type unveiling!



I think it is the base for Epic.. I mean, what the crap could it be otherwise?
Whatever it is it is going to rock AND look sexy!

The logo on it says "Scarlet."

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/5_1225782645.jpg

[Joseph Ward]

I want one!!! What is it? lol:tongue: A Red Hot Iron!

[ssnare]

Looks like it has connector holes, could be the Red Ray device.

[Roberto Lequeux]

The logo on it says "Scarlet"

LOL!!! NO WAY!!!!

I totally missed that... thanks for pointing it out! I assumed it was the same emblem as R1's

NICE!!!

[Joseph Ward]

Is the Scarlet Logo a Red Record Button?

[Pawel Achtel]

Not exactly sure what this is... :-)



OK, let's see...

The holes in the bottom look like something where rods go, so it is the base of the camera. From the size, it looks like full size camera, so it is Epic. Because of the extended base, it can't be the front. If it is not the front...

OK, it is the lower part of the rear end of the Epic. Right?

[Brook Willard]

Note that if those were rod channels [19mm and 15mm video], they would be at different optical distances. There would also be no locking mechanism. While they certainly appear to pay homage to the rods, I don't think they are actual rod channels.

If they were rod channels, that would make that "chin" approximately 5-6" wide. Since the logo's position indicates that this is either the top or front of the device, I'd imagine that it is the top of some sort of dock or accessory and the camera is mounted on it in the upper-right corner of the image.

Interestingly enough, if the side with the holes is the "front," the device is strangely asymmetrical. The left [far side in this rendering] appears to stick out and the right [close in the rendering] appears to sink in.

I'm probably 100% wrong.

The more I look at it, the more I assume that the bit with the holes in it is the back of the device. If it is a dock or accessory of some sort - and the bit in the upper right is the camera - it wouldn't make sense to have so much going on on the "front" of the camera. So maybe it's the back of some product. The asymmetrically makes me think it's some sort of shoulder mount or something, but it's not something that I see and instantly want on my shoulder.

You guys are cruel.

[Joseph Ward]

Its the Scarlet Base Charger? Jim, please tell us if we Guess it?

[Pawel Achtel]

Jarred's photography?

Jarred, you have to seriously think about a photography course. Or, at least a few lessons on subject framing. Well, at least you got the lighting right this time around. LOL

[Joseph Ward]

Its this!!!!

http://www.scarletuser.com/showpost.php?p=31547&postcount=110

[Brook Willard]

I bet it's the other end, which would mean something we've been incessantly pestering Jim about has been implemented...

Definitely not Epic... unless Epic has a Scarlet logo and nonstandard rod configurations... and is twice as wide as we saw it last time. :)

[Adam C Lubkin]

Definitely not Epic... unless Epic has a Scarlet logo and nonstandard rod configurations... and is twice as wide as we saw it last time. :)

Yeah, I missed those details.

[Joseph Ward]

Red Tripod!!!

[Brook Willard]

The Red tripod?:embarassed:

mmmmmm......

Interesting...

[Poi Boy]

looks like cg to me, doesn't it ? I think it is part of the scarlet warp drive.
Aloha
-A

[Roberto Lequeux]

A Red RoboHead...? Called Scarlet?!?!

A la Cobert holding fist up: "Damm you Jim!"

[John V]

It is a nice render though. Not a photo check the connectors at top.

[Pawel Achtel]

OK, so if it is Scarlet, it has several LEMO sockets at the back. What would they be?

Power? That means it is sharing power options with Red One rather than having dedicated battery slot in its body. I think it would be good move to have standard power.

Digital Magazine? Not just CF. Nice!

GPIO? I bet.

Jarred, how is the photography course going? Any progress? LOL :sarcasm:

[Brook Willard]

:) You kill me, Pawel.

[Casey Green]

Might be a SCARLET docking station with power charger and connection to easily download REDCODE files directly into your computer. Also, it could have a built in drive to automatically download to (similar to the 320GB REDDRIVE).

[Brook Willard]

The more I look at it, the more the shape is a little M. C. Escher. I can't get a grasp on the shape of the thing...

Just follow some of the lines on it. It's very peculiar.

You guys sure picked the right part to confuse us with...

[Jannard]

You guys sure picked the right part to confuse us with...

That was the point... :-)

Jim

[Clayton Talmon]

Might be a SCARLET docking station with power charger and connection to easily download REDCODE files directly into your computer. Also, it could have a built in drive to automatically download to (similar to the 320GB REDDRIVE).

I agree with Casey. Because of it's reflective surface it has a plastic look to it which is not what I would think Scarlet would be made of.

Either way, this is killing me! Keep up the great work.

[Blake Gentry]

Not exactly sure what this is... :-)

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

I'm gonna guess that the actual Scarlet is the part plugged in at the right hand side of this image... Looks like the parts separate there and the bottom portion is either a charger/dock or a mount of some sort.

The bottom part certainly doesn't look like something that anybody would want to hold (like part of the camera body).

[Dominic Cochran]

I'm gonna guess that the actual Scarlet is the part plugged in at the right hand side of this image...

Wow, you went out on a limb there. I thought it was the one on the left myself.

[Blake Gentry]

Wow, you went out on a limb there. I thought it was the one on the left myself.

yeah well the comment was largely in response to the guess of it being a solid state/hard drive attachment. If it's the back of the unit, it's sticking out awfully far to be something you want to be there when you're filming.

[Martin Weiss]

Right now, Jim and Jarred are having the time of their life :)

I like the thought of the lower part being a docking station.

What I find alarming though is that not even Jim seems to know what it is. What sort of leader style is this? I thought we were beyond the scam status...


Not exactly sure what this is...

[Jannard]

Hint... it is not part of a matte-box or shoulder mount.

Jim

[Shawn Nelson]

Maybe they put two pieces together, just to fuck with us :-)

[Zakaree Sandberg]

it says scarlet.. so these are not right.. but what i would have thought..

redray player...

base to a steadicam sled

[Nook Kim]

What a scam...

[Pawel Achtel]

Hint... it is not part of a matte-box or shoulder mount.

Jim

Thanks, Jim. but it doesn't help much more than...

Hint 2...it is not a part of a fridge or microwave oven. :clown2:

Is Jarred done with his photography training? How difficult it could be to frame the thing properly?

Jarred, you have to help Jim. He is running out of hints. So, take one step back, move the lens to your right a bit, and click the little button on the top again. We will tell you when you get it right.

[JimmyC]

Come on guys its obviously a render not a photograph! Look at the step gradients!

Can't wait…

Jim

[Sanjin Jukic]

Could be a blown up renderings detail that also shows and simulates a plastic surface of Scarlet's body.

Maybe this 90 degree CCW turned photo tells you something more

because the RED/Scarlet logo should be (by design unwritten rules) always turned into direction of shooting object.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/scarlet_01.jpg

[Moir]

It looks like an upgrade on my George Foreman toasted cheese sandwich maker. I can't wait to have this puppy in my kitchen.

[Pawel Achtel]

It looks like an upgrade on my George Foreman toasted cheese sandwich maker. I can't wait to have this puppy in my kitchen.

http://achtel.com/smiles/rofl.gifhttp://achtel.com/smiles/rofl.gifhttp://achtel.com/smiles/rofl.gifhttp://achtel.com/smiles/rofl.gif

[Bruce Allen]

Thats not even CG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How do you know?

I think someone at RED is just figuring out how to get better renders out of SolidWorks ;)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[DaveT]

How do you know?

I think someone at RED is just figuring out how to get better renders out of SolidWorks ;)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

http://www.luxology.com/press/release/20080812_Luxology_Dassault_Systemes_SolidWorks.asp x

:bleh:

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

That was the point... :-)

Jim


You are evil.

:clown2:

[Chris Foreman]

I agree about the orienatation, looks like it could be a battery plate to me.

[Pawel Achtel]

I agree about the orienatation, looks like it could be a battery plate to me.

You guys in Europe have everything upside down. :usd:

[Gareth Gerrard]

OMG... that is sexy... whatever part it is... WANT IT! WANT IT NOW! :-)

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

That is supposed to be my wildest dream?
Hmm....lets see....

....

Nope, I,m dream a bit more conventional. More .... rounder, softer, ahm ... shapes.

Jochen

(This looks like Darth Vaders polaroid camera)

[Sanjin Jukic]

I agree about the orienatation, looks like it could be a battery plate to me.

Redman42,

could be???!!!

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/scarlet_01.jpg
A possible Scarlet's Brick attached to the body (detail)

http://www.red.com/image/path/96/401001.jpg
RED Brick.

[Roberto Lequeux]

but cable ports on the underside?

though I agree that the thing it resembles most is a battery

[Sanjin Jukic]

Or could be a battery and a small drive raid (160 GB) assembled in one brick too.

http://www.red.com/image/path/81/501001.jpg

[Dan Sturm]

Not exactly sure what this is... :-)

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

I'm going to go with a steroscopic mount for scarlet. Upper right is scarlet. The holes are just access to the screws holding camera to mount.

[fde101]

Hint... it is not part of a matte-box or shoulder mount.

Jim

It's a chin rest, right?

[Jonathon Laing]

Sure looks like the bottom slides to connect to something. May be a scarlet accessory. A cool one at that.

[fde101]

I'm going to go with a steroscopic mount for scarlet. Upper right is scarlet. The holes are just access to the screws holding camera to mount.

Wouldn't there be TWO Scarlets mounted on top if that were the case?

Or do you need two of these and they attach to each other?

[Sanjin Jukic]

I'll start to puzzle in PS now.

Also we would need some more elements.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/scarlet2.jpg

[edmoore]

http://www.emoore.co.uk/optimusred.jpg

[Dan Sturm]

I'll start to puzzle in PS now.

Also we would need some more elements.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/scarlet2.jpg

Perhaps...Who's to say cinema is the last word? Maybe it says Red Digital Cinema Scarlet like the logo. And h'm assuming that the second scarlet is off camera to the right. If they showed us both that would kind of ruin the subtlety.

[Ken Chan]

Okay, I'll have go at speculating.

Scarlet and Epic have gone modular. The camera on the right is the monstro S35 sensor and analog to digital electonics module. The other module on the bottom is Scarlet's electronics, this is where REDCODE compression takes place and where the mic inputs and HDMI, LCD output sockets are. What you can't see is the inputs and outputs on the left.

When docked into the Epic module, the system will output at 5K. When docked to the Scarlet module, the system will output at 4K resolution. This because Epic's electronics is beefed up and can handle the increased resolution. When the DSMC grip is attached on the right side of the camera instead, the system will output high res stills and 2K video.

[Simon Blackledge]

:-)
http://retrothing.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/21/slr690.jpg

[Martin Weiss]

http://www.emoore.co.uk/optimusred.jpg
LOL, that was fun.

Though I thought it would be more a detail from the fist :)

[Meryem Ersoz]

maybe it is something like a Solidstore?

Soccer moms hate bringing their laptops, card readers, and hard drives to the games.

[Priyesh P.]

it looks like plastic...
...I don`t like plastic...

[Joseph Ward]

If it was a photo, then its Metal.

[brandon thomas]

Not exactly sure what this is... :-)

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

Looks like a doorstop on my phone.. Need to get to a computer...

[Steven Caesare]

Not exactly sure what this is... :-)

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

Well that makes two of us. :tongue:

I do find it interesting in that it appears that the surface facing us with the "RED DIGITAL..." test on it appears to be flat and vertical, and perhaps there's even a should jutting out below on the top of where the ribbed portions begin.

Whereas the corresponding surface on the surfacing facing away from us appears to have a curved profile. At least the radius on the "left rear corner" (from our perspective) makes it look that way. The larger area of flat area on the top behind the RED eye logo seems to agree with that as well.

Hence the thing is asymetrical on the horizontal axis. I wonder why.

Whatever it is... I hope it makes it in to the next Aliens movie... do you guys have HR Giger doing design work?

[Clayton Talmon]

Cruel and unusual!

It's the plastic look that throws me.

[Todd T]

Well, It's obviously Scarlet..., and do those look like holes for rails built in?

[Paul Cronin]

Back end of the Scarlet with 200 GB hard drive.

Make that 2TB hard drive.

[JanneJansson]

He, It's the battery charger :)

[Mike Jacks]

Alright, just throwing it out there...Red Scarlet 4k "portable" Projector...they said scarlet was going to change right?

[brandon thomas]

just some conjecture...

possibility 1
http://www.echoblack.net/uploads/misc/9_art2.jpg

option 2
http://www.echoblack.net/uploads/misc/9_art3.jpg

[Meryem Ersoz]

That was my same guess in a different thread, that a form of RED RAY is getting integrated into a modular delivery system that works with the camera...

...fueling this hypothesis is Jim's statement on dvinfo, in response to an inquiry about RED RAY, that "the playing field is moving as we speak"

...so before it was even fully realized, the specs for RED RAY seem to be a moving target as well.

...what would be really cool is if we were looking at a modular delivery system that could hold an edit/graded/finished digital file and be hooked up to the camera and plugged into a projector or monitor for instant, portable 1080/2k/4K delivery, that would be total game changer...

...and would totally democratize not only the front end of production, but the very nature of theatrical release. now *that* would be beyond my wildest dreams. someone should tell Mark Cuban...

...which begs the question, what would RED RAY be? if it, too, became even bigger than its initial promise...hmm, RED RAY is already so revolutionary and so far from being realized in a diluted form that it is hard to "think beyond...."

I'd settle for a Soldstore, though...schlepping less gear while shooting CF would be fantastic.

[Joel Kaye]

Not exactly sure what this is... :-)

Jim

Wow, Scarlet will have the ability to take instant photos that develop in your hands right before your eyes! Revolutionary!!


(I bet I'll be able to make a killing selling photos at events with a rig like that)

[Eki Halkka]

Damn, it would be soooooo tempting to make a 3D mockup render of my own, fake version of "Scarlet" and "accidently" leak it here - just to see all the speulating h*ll break loose... But i guess i better not ;-)

[Casey Green]

Maybe this is an accessory plate made to connect both hotswapable batteries as well as 128GB REDRAM drives???

(Or is this the main Scarlet body itself???)

Jim are we getting close? (I may have to bug Ted today about it!)

[Jonathan Payne]

Okay, I'll have go at speculating.

Scarlet and Epic have gone modular. The camera on the right is the monstro S35 sensor and analog to digital electonics module. The other module on the bottom is Scarlet's electronics, this is where REDCODE compression takes place and where the mic inputs and HDMI, LCD output sockets are. What you can't see is the inputs and outputs on the left.

When docked into the Epic module, the system will output at 5K. When docked to the Scarlet module, the system will output at 4K resolution. This because Epic's electronics is beefed up and can handle the increased resolution. When the DSMC grip is attached on the right side of the camera instead, the system will output high res stills and 2K video.

On one hand I want to agree with you...but on the other hand I don't see Jim giving us the whole thing and then making us cripple it based on what grip we stick on...that part of the speculation doesn't seem to jive with his style...

[Shawn R]

I would like to see a smoother low end post process. Judging by the number of threads regarding post I would say I am not the only one. This would be included in the big announcement? Or am I being seduced with a Lamborghini with a chevy small block under the hood?

I am about to purchase the RED Nikon mount today and have it Underdahled. It would be interesting to hear what Jim brings to the plate regarding mounts. There is a lot of nice glass out there that people still can't shoot with and the majority won't be able to for another year. I am talking mounts that can be ordered and you have them at the very least a month later.

I know to go down in history for spear heading such an innovation as the RED One Camera Company is the thing. Having mounts and post would be additions that sometimes don't get the due they deserve.

Lets see if Jim is listening...

1. Smoother Post
2. Greater Variety of mounts available within 1 month.
3. Oh yeah, 3, being able to shoot 200fps at 4k (maybe that is too much to ask for?)

[Scott Watts]

I love this company.



But you're killing me with anticipation!




Thank you.

[Tom Lowe]

This kind of reminds me of of when I used a laser pointer in Africa to mess with some wild baboons one evening. In this case, Jim is having fun with the laser, while we are running around in circles like baboons. :)

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

I'm calling PETA. :ranting2:

http://www.peta.org/

:clown2:

[fde101]

I'm calling PETA. :ranting2:


Oh, you must mean mean People Eating Tasty Animals!

http://mtd.com/tasty/


Never could figure out if it was the people or the animals doing the eating though...

Obviously it can't be both!

:blink:

[Jason Diamond]

Looks like Jim made his own 'Scarlet' Darth Vader Mask to me..

[Ken Chan]

On one hand I want to agree with you...but on the other hand I don't see Jim giving us the whole thing and then making us cripple it based on what grip we stick on...that part of the speculation doesn't seem to jive with his style...

Yes you're right. I don't think it would suit his style to cripple something. I was thinking that different modules allow for different requirements such as cooling, buffer, cost and form factor. Eg DSLR and Scarlet can be handheld and the DSLR can be even smaller. Epic needs more cooling & space.

By sharing a common sensor module, Red can get economies of scale and owners can upgrade later or have more options.

[Jonathan Payne]

Yes you're right. I don't think it would suit his style to cripple something. I was thinking that different modules allow for different requirements such as cooling, buffer, cost and form factor. Eg DSLR and Scarlet can be handheld and the DSLR can be even smaller. Epic needs more cooling & space.

By sharing a common sensor module, Red can get economies of scale and owners can upgrade later or have more options.

I agree with you there. I appears from these teaser pics that the cameras will be more modular.

Still Jim has also said in another forum (I don't have the link sorry) that Scarlet and Epic have not merged. I'm think this concept is likely what is happening with a modular Scarlet-DSMC type camera depending on how you 'build it out'.

[Júlio Taubkin]

I'm just enjoying the fact it's probably going to interchange acessories with it's bigger brothers, such as batteries, maybe drives, and even the LCDs and the EVF.

[Jared Caldwell]

Still Jim has also said in another forum (I don't have the link sorry) that Scarlet and Epic have not merged.

It was here on the first page:
http://www.scarletuser.com/showthread.php?t=1454

[Dan Sturm]

More and more i think the idea of a modular camera system is likely what we're looking at. Why would there be a logo that said 'Scarlet' on a camera accessory? Especially if we're under the impression that accessories work on all cameras. I think what we're looking at in this new picture is the body of scarlet with the modular unit sensor in the upper right. I think I like the idea of modular signal processing units that use the same sensor and mounting system. I cant wait to find out for sure.

[Adrian T.]

My take... LOL! :)

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/673_1225833579.jpg

[Roberto Lequeux]

:-)
http://retrothing.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/21/slr690.jpg

HAHAHA!!! :watsup:

[Jason Diamond]

very possible but would seem odd to restrict the rod/accessory size with predetermined bored holes no?

[Roberto Lequeux]

very possible but would seem odd to restrict the rod/accessory size with predetermined bored holes no?

yes, and this is what completely throws me for a loop... what is this?

:detective2:

[Jason Diamond]

feels like the bottom "front facing" logo portion of the Scarlet and the holes are for the handles or other accessories to mount to. esp since that would make the connectors above the logo down facing which is smart. but its all conjecture anyhoo.

[Todd M.]

I'm gonna guess that the actual Scarlet is the part plugged in at the right hand side of this image... Looks like the parts separate there and the bottom portion is either a charger/dock or a mount of some sort.

The bottom part certainly doesn't look like something that anybody would want to hold (like part of the camera body).

Agreed. I think this is the removable baseplate for a tripod or fluid head Mitchell mount. This accessory makes a baseplate like the one below look cool. Plus think about it, I don't think Jim Jarred and the rest are going to chance giving something away that we don't already know is coming in some form.

Free camera for the first person who gets it right Jim?
:detective2:

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/237540/Images/Fluid%20Head.jpeg

[Dustin Sims]

is it just me, or does the plate look like its sliding up and to the left? at first i thought the back left corner just angled out, but right up front on the right there's clearly an indention, which wouldn't make sense unless the whole ramp thing is angled. i don't know why it would be offset. maybe I'm just crazy.

[Todd M.]

Agreed. I think this is the removable baseplate for a tripod or fluid head Mitchell mount.....

Here's a quick render of what I think we are looking at.... Feel free to remove the post if I'm right Jim :wink:

edit: fixed image

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/237540/Images/Fluid%20Head%20Red%20Mount%20Render_2.jpg

[Tom Lowe]

Here's a quick render of what I think we are looking at.... Feel free to remove the post if I'm right Jim :wink:

edit: my scale is a little off here though!

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/237540/Images/Fluid%20Head%20Red%20Mount%20Render.jpg

That would seem to limit use of some ultra wide lenses?

[Jonathan Payne]

My take... LOL! :)

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/673_1225833579.jpg

This is exactly my take as well! the only difference is that the teaser pic you have pasted on the side of the camera would be a on a grip that attaches to the side of the camera and is flush with the back, not the side.

I was just going to draw this up but you beat me to it :)

[Todd M.]

That would seem to limit use of some ultra wide lenses?

I don't know if I follow... the camera (as I see it) is that little squared off corner in the top right of the pic and we are seeing the back of the camera body, so the lens mount would facing to the right in this picture and well above and forward enough to not risk seeing any of the head/tripod in the frame.

Is that what you were getting at?

edit: fixed render above to have baseplate pointing in the correct direction

[Todd M.]

Fixed this, pay no attention to the backwards lettering on the fluid head...


http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/237540/Images/Fluid%20Head%20Red%20Mount%20Render_2.jpg

[Jason Diamond]

has everyone just discounted the obvious connectors facing down toward the RED logo?

[Sanjin Jukic]

Maybe a little handheld camera should be on a head like this

that could even satisfy "multi million dollars production" crew just because has

still photo lens swapped on (for example Noctilux-M 50mm f/0.95) :holloween: :clown2: :) .

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/scarler_arrihead_noctilux.jpg

[JD Holloway]

Part of a monitor with heat sinks?

[Alexander Nikishin]

Why would they be focusing on something as simple as a baseplate....

Especially considering that there are already many well made base plates at a very affordable cost from other manufacturers.

I think you guys are missing the bigger picture...At least I hope so.

My guess is that it's a removable counter-balance weight plate for flying the camera?

[Jarred Land]

Some of you guys are gonna feel pretty silly come the 13th :)

heh heh heh.

[Steve Sherrick]

I can picture the camera in my mind, but I suck at 3D rendering, so it will have to remain inside my mind. Unfortunately, only I will know if I was right or not. I can say this much. What I'm picturing is a camera that can easily function as a still camera or video camera with the latter having some modularity that can turn it into a more typical video camera rig, so that most will feel at home using it the way they normally would use a video camera. Jim owns over 1000 still cameras I believe. He probably knows a thing or two about the ergonomics of a still camera. Combine that with all of the experience they have gained in designing the Red One and I think they now have a good sense of what they want to do in terms of a motion picture camera as well. I believe high megapixel still mode and 4k HD mode (3840x2160) video mode. Red One would still be a higher quality camera, and of course Epic will be the king of the mountain.

[Bing Bailey]

looks like a battery/baseplate combo

[J Clark]

Sorry everyone, this is just a render of the new Skate Park at the Vegas Ranch. Sweet Transitions!



http://monstercine.com/Images/photos/RedUser/RedSkatePark.jpg

[bjonsson]

looks like the bottom section of a steadicam sled.

Will RED make a stabilizer?

[Lexicon]

Some of you guys are gonna feel pretty silly come the 13th :)

heh heh heh.

Like we don't already? :bleh:

[Jason Diamond]

DUDE! that awesome, i want to go there now! hahahah

i dont care if i look like the biggest fool ever, guessing is fun and we'll all know the answer soon enough so why not.

[slubig]

My take is that, the photo of the camera section Mr. Jim posted, is a modular piece which can be removed to remotely operate the camera. This, I think would make much more sense with the EPIC, but it could be used as a mini video village or remote screen for the director. The bottom of that plate might be where the screen and buttons are (perhaps from that previous render)...

Something to mull over in your heads!

[Dan Sturm]

I'd still like to know why there is a badge with the name 'Scarlet' on an optional (maybe?) accessory. It HAS to be part of the actual camera body, does it not? Is the badge there just to mess with us?

[Roberto Lequeux]

Some of you guys are gonna feel pretty silly come the 13th :)

heh heh heh.


Well you totally set us up for this man! Well Jim did... but you are not cleared of all blame either! :ranting2:

:tongue:


Hey aren't you guys proud people are posting during the vote count?
:thumbsup:

[slubig]

What's is odd about this picture is if you look directly above the "Red Digital..." lettering, there is that space which wraps around the corner towards the right. Is this made of two pieces? One would be the square plate, the other, the angled piece with the scarlet logo.

Also, if you look at the bottom flat part of the image, why is the back curved and front square??
/Users/stephenlubig/Desktop/9_art1.jpg

[slubig]

hmmm, can't seem to figure out how to post an image. Ah, it's only my third post...

[fuz3]

I have a feeling that it is a very small piece of the camera, it might be the back of a viewfinder.

Edit-

the more I look at it, the less likely that sounds.

I still think it is only a small part of the camera

[Roberto Lequeux]

hmmm, can't seem to figure out how to post an image. Ah, it's only my third post...

Go on Advanced Mode, then use the Manage Attachments button.

[JanneJansson]

Some of you guys are gonna feel pretty silly come the 13th :)

heh heh heh.

..and the one that comes closest wins a scarlet? :)

[Pawel Achtel]

8 days left. Isn't it time for another hint? :devil:

[Jim Exton]

8 days left. Isn't it time for another hint? :devil:

This time: Epic please?

[Jarred Land]

..and the one that comes closest wins a scarlet? :)

mmm... I guess its almost time again for a REDUSER contest.. let me think about this one...

[Jared Caldwell]

mmm... I guess its almost time again for a REDUSER contest.. let me think about this one...

Sweet!

[Brook Willard]

That'd be fun... bring it on!

[Dan Blanchett]

Cool. I'd love another snowboard... (but I'd prefer a Scarlet!)

:)

[Kellan O'Connor]

Obama! Yes we can!

[Imran Farouk]

Looks like 2009 will be the year of complete rev.
Obama...next RED...hmmm...i'm liking this xD
:bleh:

[Roberto Lequeux]

mmm... I guess its almost time again for a REDUSER contest.. let me think about this one...

Nice!! This must be SOME news we are going to get on the 13th!

But let's do it with a different picture!! :innocent:

[oldphart]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th.



So that means it will be powered by a plutonium button-cell?

[number6]

Not exactly sure what this is... :-)

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

This? This is obviously Howie's Deal or No Deal! button.

711,743...711,742...711,741...711,740...

[Meryem Ersoz]

Not buying into the idea that this is a baseplate -- why would they be making a baseplate for SCARLET, supposedly a lightweight camera priced to attract a broad base of consumers, including non-professionals -- that is spec'd for a professional tripod that costs at least twice as much as the camera? That doesn't make any sense.

[zergtherobot]

I think it's a harddrive and or battery back.

[Adam C Lubkin]

Gyroscopic stabilizer?

[Meryem Ersoz]

Gyroscopic stabilizer?

Now *that's* an interesting thought, something that removes camera shake without all the need for heavy expensive stabilizing gear.

I keep rotating this thing around, wondering what would be worth adding this un-ergonomic-looking fin tail to a camera set-up. Whether it sticks out the back, or straight up and down, or even top-mounted with the letters upside down, it doesn't seem organic to anything that I know about camera design.

It must be something really amazing, to want this odd protrusion. I'm sure I will want it, RED has already helped me to want a remarkable number of things that I would have never considered wanting before...but I can't, for the life of me, figure out why I would want a fin tail sticking out of my camera...

November 13 can't get here fast enough.

[Jarred Land]

http://monstercine.com/Images/photos/RedUser/RedSkatePark.jpg

Now this should win a prize all by itself....

[Karl Gustav H.]

Not exactly sure what this is... :-)

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

Isn't it the flux capacitor?

[Jonathan Payne]

Now this should win a prize all by itself....

Jarred, does that mean it's officially a contest? I'll start pre-visualizing a lot harder now :)

[Quentin Brown]

Not exactly sure what this is... :-)

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

So somehow you managed to get this technology out from the locked basement of that secret military installation in Nevada. Congratulations.

Your refactoring of the design puts it in a neat package. No doubt it was the shielding of other components from the EM fields it generates that took the real time.

I gotta hand it to ya Jim, putting an anti gravity device in the base of the new Scarlet is just the best idea ever! No more need for lugging round heavy tripods - or any other grip equipment for that matter, not even steadycams or cranes! Just press the RED logo button and your camera is instantly locked hovering in space - various directional and pitch/tilt /roll controls allow smooth constrained movement.


Surely this thing will come with a remote screen and controller for aerial shots or are those holes at the back to attach an operator platform to fly about with the camera ? Will operators of this camera need a pilots license to use this accessory then? Might be good for commuting too...

;-)

[Meryem Ersoz]

it's not about whether it's a professional camera or not, it is about making SCARLET affordable enough to broaden the user base....and building something to fit a $900 Arri - style baseplate is not consistent with that mission.

and plenty of folks have lined up for SCARLET who don't own/can't afford a $6K tripod...I doubt RED will disregard their needs.

[Meryem Ersoz]

quite possibly, perhaps SCARLET, EPIC, and the DSMC are all one project, with disparate modular parts and price points that you can add on according to budget. This piece says (we think) SCARLET, though, so if it is a baseplate, I'm still confused how "Arri base plate" and "accessible price point" are consistent.

maybe there is a RED ONE that will just be the intermediary price point version of the SCARLET/RED ONE/EPIC/DSMC tinker toy kit, and we can trade our cameras straight across and then pay up for the EPIC version or else disassemble the same camera and reassemble it as SCARLET.

a single modular system that could configure four different ways. so we could be RED ONE owners, get SCARLET for free, and still pay up for EPIC...

i wonder how much they will charge for the add-on teleportation system and espresso machine?

i can't seem to stop chewing on the possibilities....this is killing me...

[Sanjin Jukic]

Forget tripod.

Scarlet is a 3K/2K camera mostly designed for a hand held work.

Of course you could attach it on a tripod even something top notch like an ARRI geared head.

No problem.

Here on the picture below is a side of bottom part from battery (+/-) REDraid combo (all optitional)

that is attached on Scarlet camera body.

Whole Scarlet we cannot see more today because...

Nov13 is a date for that.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

[Morpheus]

A very sexy picture indeed....

[David Wyatt]

Not exactly sure what this is... :-)

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

Hmm...are those lemo ports in the top right hand corner :detective2:? Looks like a hint of one of those red dots for lining up the cable with the port. Intriguing...

[konozulu]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/3005313897_4ddccb6f17.jpg?v=0

I think I figured this one out

[Joseph Ward]

Peter got it right!


We are looking at three separate things:

- on the bottom You have a new base plate - which will be universal for all RED cameras
- then in the middle is the module-base for Scarlet
- and sitting on top are the actual modules...

Scarlet is sitting on top. Scarlet has connections bottom back.

[J Clark]

mmm... I guess its almost time again for a REDUSER contest.. let me think about this one...

Jarred, a contest would be a blast! we already have some fun ideas so we need to get going right away! A FREE Scarlet maybe...? or the winner gets to see the big secret the day before everybody else, in person... for whatever that's worth. Bragging rights maybe.

[Roberto Lequeux]

I say it is only a Scarlet Brick with the dual charger being the barely visibly thing on the corner.

There, I win.

:w00t:

[Meryem Ersoz]

what confuses me is the asymmetric shape of this whatever. maybe it's some kind of system to plug to of this whatevers together, maybe if you use 360 of them you can form a circle and create some matrix style...


http://stempelritter.dtv.fh-salzburg.ac.at/red.jpg

or maybe you just cobbled together the 3D version of the tinker toy camera and those holes in the back are to cable them together for synching...

[brandon thomas]

i don't know what those holes could be except for rods or screws...

[Alexander Nikishin]

I'm sure there's a Scarlet 3D rig in the works as well, that'd be pretty amazing to have a REDCine 3D application. =)

[Bing Bailey]

modular for scarlet and epic makes a huge amount of sense, upgrading red one will involve sending the camera back , taking out the parts and replacing them, thats a lot of work. if epic and scarlet are modular all red have to do is offer the latest module and we'll be able up upgrade it ourselves, might also give us options when it comes to new ports and technologys , maybe you want a new sensor but are happy with the ports you have , maybe you want an block with an optical port

you wouldn't have to dump your entire investment just to get a few new things and the firmware will be updated on an ongoing basis to improve the software. its the best of both worlds if thats what it is.

[Bing Bailey]

I am secretly hoping that scarlet is 4k with pl mount and comes with a mass produced high quality zoom lens for under 5k , that maybe just fantasy , but we can dream, if RED can sell 50,000 of them then economies of scale should allow them to produce the high quality lens for lower price

[Petr Dvorak]

Its beautifull RED doorstoper for Scarletusers. You know, boys has plenty of time .... :clown2:

[zac]

I know what it is, it's Scarlet. (and that was my first try)

[Jeff Kilgroe]

i don't know what those holes could be except for rods or screws...

Vents? Expansion?

I keep looking at it, I give up, I don't know what we're looking at....
But I will hazard a guess and I'm probably completely wrong.

I'm going to say it's some kind of charger / docking station for the Scarlet. What if Scarlet does not require external media, but has an internal SSD or FLASH media module? Go shoot, up to 3 or so hours worth, then dock the camera to recharge and offload your footage...

[Roberto Lequeux]

Torpedos.

[Casey Green]

Hungry for another taste, Jim. Got any more treats? :-)

[Brent J. Craig]

quite possibly, perhaps SCARLET, EPIC, and the DSMC are all one project, with disparate modular parts and price points that you can add on according to budget.

BINGO! This has been my suspicion for a while now.

Modules would include:
-Lens module - mount of your choice or all in one lens for Scarlet
-Sensor module - 3K to ?K - what can you afford?
-Image processing module - compressed RAW, uncompressed, HD, SD, RGB, Quicktime, whatever.
-Recording module - CF, hard drive, flash, firewire, streaming
-Output module - how many outputs do you want? different data on different outs? Resolution?
-Viewing module - EVF, LCD, Optical, retinal implants?
-Control module - full manual, idiot-proof auto, external computer controls, hacker's open-source version. Wireless, wired, bluetooth, infrared, thought-controlled. Touchscreen, iPhone, timelapse, motion sensing, etc.

(Optional: Accounting module - invoicing, time tracking, stock sales, banking)

[J Clark]

First of all I'll say that I spent too much time trying to solve this puzzle - no laughing please. Second, we were stumped when we tried to model the bottom piece, because as we found, there is a lot of asymmetry here and it was actually not possible to build it in 3D. True, and we know 3D. From these images you can see the issue we ran into. Again, I'm aware this is obsessive, but it was a fun little break from reality... Humor me.:blink:


http://monstercine.com/Images/photos/RedUser/TeaserRenders.jpg


Extreme 3D nerd stuff to follow... a) clearly describes the asymmetry of the shape, so we assumed the grooves are actually angling off to one side(far side) and near the far edge at Z, but when we modeled this, we found that where the groove lines meet the inset b) does not make sense, because if the sides are vertical as we think, then the intersection at Y would be sloped inward to begin the inset, yet this does not appear to happen, and it was not possible to model this shape as you can see in our model. The only explanation we could come up for what appears to be an inset is a just weird reflection, but again, it's clearly a physical inset, because it meets up at X as a vertical intersection. Anyway, it has us baffled and feeling very insecure with our 3D deciphering...

We have no idea what C might be because it's clearly an asymmetrical design element, which is a break from Red design thus far. In Summary, we are obsessed with the new camera and want answers! Although we too have surmised that all of the new cameras are based on a unified modular system.

You can laugh now!

http://monstercine.com/Images/photos/RedUser/Angles.jpg

[R. Schorman]

I noticed a lot of that too, but that really spells it out! Well done!

[Thom Steinhoff]

Okay, for me, this is definitely the back of Scarlet and/or Epic. Not the side, the camera joystick would be on the back. Since he posted this also on Scarlet user, I would think then this is Scarlet.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_ui5.jpg

[Thom Steinhoff]

This one, I'm convinced, is the front with the ramped area intended to go below a mountable lens and rods sliding into it.

I agree with Sanjan that the logo would read front to back, so what we are looking at is the left front of the camera. Since the button clearly says "Scarlet" then, to me, this means (if I'm right) that Scarlet no longer has a fixed lens.

Exciting times!
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

[Meryem Ersoz]

BINGO! This has been my suspicion for a while now.

Modules would include:
-Lens module - mount of your choice or all in one lens for Scarlet
-Sensor module - 3K to ?K - what can you afford?
-Image processing module - compressed RAW, uncompressed, HD, SD, RGB, Quicktime, whatever.
-Recording module - CF, hard drive, flash, firewire, streaming
-Output module - how many outputs do you want? different data on different outs? Resolution?
-Viewing module - EVF, LCD, Optical, retinal implants?
-Control module - full manual, idiot-proof auto, external computer controls, hacker's open-source version. Wireless, wired, bluetooth, infrared, thought-controlled. Touchscreen, iPhone, timelapse, motion sensing, etc.

(Optional: Accounting module - invoicing, time tracking, stock sales, banking)

the Build-a-Bear camera...the logical end to crippleware.

they could have RED stores in every mall in the nation...

where you walk in and build your camera on-site.

with little things around the cashier counter that you'll want to grab at the last minute, before you pay (extra flash cards, padded LCD jackets, bogen nanoclamps...). things that your kid can reach for, grab, and throw in the cart when you're looking the other way....

oh, yeah!

the holy grail...

"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."

[zak forrest]

This one, I'm convinced, is the front with the ramped area intended to go below a mountable lens and rods sliding into it.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

I dunno, wouldn't that get in the way of your hand when you want to touch the lens?

[Eki Halkka]

[LEFT]First of all I'll say that I spent too much time trying to solve this puzzle - no laughing please.

Well done - i actually did something like that too. My results were rather similar to your findings, though i just eyeballed the shape and modeled much more roughly than you did. The geometry is odd.

It's fun to be a 3D detective though ;-)

I actually also thought of creating my own 3D version of "Scarlet", reproducing the render as much as possible and then surrounding it with imaginary parts.

You know, as a prank: "see what i found from the red server!" - But it would have been bit too cruel, and also way too much work to do properly ;-)

[Eki Halkka]

non parallel lines... wtf

Lines that are at an angle.

In this case, either the grooves on the top are at an angle compared to the "main body", or the backside is. They're not running in the same direction.

It's hard to judge from that image - probably deliberately made to be hard.

[Todd M.]

I'd still like to know why there is a badge with the name 'Scarlet' on an optional (maybe?) accessory. It HAS to be part of the actual camera body, does it not? Is the badge there just to mess with us?

Not if the Scarlet is a different size than both One and Epic. If this is an accessory that is specific to the Scarlet camera wouldn't it make sense to have the logo on it?

[Todd M.]

first of all i'll say that i spent too much time trying to solve this puzzle - no laughing please............in summary, we are obsessed with the new camera and wants answers! Although we too have surmised that all of the new cameras are based on a unified modular system.

You can laugh now!

http://monstercine.com/images/photos/reduser/angles.jpg[/center]

awesome!

[Stephen Gentle]

quite possibly, perhaps SCARLET, EPIC, and the DSMC are all one project, with disparate modular parts and price points that you can add on according to budget. This piece says (we think) SCARLET, though, so if it is a baseplate, I'm still confused how "Arri base plate" and "accessible price point" are consistent.

I think that the chances of this are incredibly remote at best. Scarlet and Epic were/are designed for very different markets with very, very different price points. To have them cross-compatible with all of each others modules, far too many compromises would have to be made in the design - something which people spending 30 to 60 thousand dollars wouldn't tolerate.

[Jannard]

I think that the chances of this are incredibly remote at best. Scarlet and Epic were/are designed for very different markets with very, very different price points. To have them cross-compatible with all of each others modules, far too many compromises would have to be made in the design - something which people spending 30 to 60 thousand dollars wouldn't tolerate.

You guys are having so much fun I should post another tomorrow...

Jim

[Sanjin Jukic]

Thanks Jim!

Waiting!

[zak forrest]

i think ive stared at this longer than anything, ever. can you make a poster sized version of this available for download. its amazing

[Gareth Gerrard]

Maybe it clips into the bottom of one of these?

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/6325656121255201.JPG?0.16339977298260333

:tongue:

[Gert-Jan]

You guys are having so much fun I should post another tomorrow...

Jim

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice :tongue:

[JanneJansson]

Maybe it clips into the bottom of one of these?

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/6325656121255201.JPG?0.16339977298260333

:tongue:

"..movement! .. game over man, game over..."

[Júlio Taubkin]

Looks a lot like this:

http://www.digitea.es/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/franky.jpg

[Gunleik Groven]

That has to be the new DMSDSVFC (did it my self digigital still, video, film cam) Jim spoke about in 2006. As we all know, the ONE doesn't look anything like this, and thus it is a hoax...

[Ramesh Jai]

You guys are having so much fun I should post another tomorrow...

Jim
How does it feel like playing God? :)

[Tico Llaurador]

C'mon Jim. Spill the beans...

Mo' betta beanz!!!

:wink:

[Meryem Ersoz]

You guys are having so much fun I should post another tomorrow...


oh yeah, post away! i definitely need to spend more time pondering these little bits of striptease and less time working! that should help me afford an EPIC.

[Steven Caesare]

Looks a lot like this:

http://www.digitea.es/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/franky.jpg

And THAT looks like a blower on a 440 HEMI... so now I'm really at a loss. :-)

[Benni Diez]

Well then...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/12229_1225984506.jpg

[HD Bubaloo]

Jim its been a few days and we are getting closer to the 13th. I think its time for another taste Jim. Another obscure close up shot of an indistinguishable component please.

[Chris B. Hill]

I've Got It!!!!!

[J Clark]

This one, I'm convinced, is the front with the ramped area intended to go below a mountable lens and rods sliding into it.

I agree with Sanjan that the logo would read front to back, so what we are looking at is the left front of the camera. Since the button clearly says "Scarlet" then, to me, this means (if I'm right) that Scarlet no longer has a fixed lens.

Exciting times!
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

Thom,

I think this is the rear of the camera/drive we are seeing, because those are clearly Lemo ports.

http://www.mouser.com/images/252008104150.jpg

[liquidigital]

You guys are having so much fun I should post another tomorrow...

Jim

I'm pretty sure you're having fun with it too. :) Jim I just have to say, every time you post (yes I check them), you can tell that you love what you do. Good for you man. Long live RED.

[slubig]

I think we should all be asking ourselves:

"What is the purpose of the camera?"

This is what dictates and influences design... the purpose of the product. This camera, from what I can gather is going to be primarily used as both a highres digital stills camera and a 3+k digital camera. Handheld size, light and efficient.

My guess is that this obscure image we are all looking at is simply a piece of the cover for the camera body, whether it be the side, back, top, bottom etc.

What is the footprint and size of this new Scarlet beast? Will it be like a standard DSLR, Sony EX1, or perhaps in between, like a Hasselblad medium format camera. I believe the design should lend itself to both worlds of video and still. Something like a Hasselblad design would do this very well. Large screen for viewing video and images, and it would have to be held with two hands.

Something to think about...

[Mennovandijk]

Flipping this image makes more sense to me

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/4028_1226002512.jpg

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

You guys are having so much fun I should post another tomorrow...

Jim


It's true. Just following the developments is a lot of fun.

Like watching a game and wondering who is going to win but knowing that we're all gonna win. :)

Heheh.

[Júlio Taubkin]

It's true. Just following the developments is a lot of fun.

Like watching a game and wondering who is going to win but knowing that we're all gonna win. :)

Heheh.

Unless it's all a scam! :)

[fuz3]

We need another picture to dissect; the last one has run its course.

[HD Bubaloo]

New pic, new pic, new pic, new pic, new pic.... x 10000


p.s. please!

[Andante]

I assumed I was an old man....
-Had my first camera in 1953
-been around
--Palo Alto Xerox (PARC)
--Apple Lisa
--Amiga
--SoftImage
but you make me realise I am still young, very young
-I am waiting on November 13 like a 2 year old kid waiting for Santa to come down the chimney.

Thanks, Jim, even if it is only for that feeling.

But I know I can expect more, much more.

[Roberto Lequeux]

OK, so Jim you mean tomorrow as in past midnight... right?

[grandpa it burns]

My heart can't take this!

[Elisant]

Anyone notice the perspective seems to be off a bit with that image? And centering?

See below...
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2853/redco3.png

EDIT:
Oops, I see that J Clark had mentioned similar findings a couple pages back.

[spiderx]

It looks to me like it is a 3d projector / camera. Pretty cool if it was.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Unless it's all a scam! :)

It's an EPIC scam, tied with a Scarlet ribbon.

[Tom Lowe]

You made Engadget, again...

http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/06/red-teases-with-yet-another-mysterious-image/

[Thom Steinhoff]

Thom,

I think this is the rear of the camera/drive we are seeing, because those are clearly Lemo ports.

http://www.mouser.com/images/252008104150.jpg

Yeah, I think you're right. It's amazing how things can get turned in your head.

[albiabia]

Its not asymmetrical, it's an isometric rendering.

[MadamImAdam]

I'm pretty sure it's going to look something like this...

[Jeremy Hughes]

I don't think it's a camera, it's just RED saying, "We're getting rid of the alphabet, it's going out the back exit, all we have to do is press the red button."

[Casey Green]

I haven't read all of the replies here, but expanding on my previous guess...

Could this be a SCARLET docking / charging station with built in Drive?

The idea is that the bottom cube of SCARLET which houses CF cards (dual 16GB?) plus rechargeable battery is modular and can detach. This would allow you to have multiple media / battery modules and just swap them out as necessary. Or you could just dock the entire SCARLET on the charging / media station.

...................._____________
.................../\__SCARLET___|
...................\/_____________|
........................|__MEDIA___|
........................|_BATTERY__|
............/-----------------------/
.........../__DOCK_/_DRIVE__/



I know... nice ascii. :-)




http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

[Paul Lee]

Kinda feels like that scene in Close Encounters when they realize they are receiving coordinates, and all the scientists run and get a big globe out of someone's office to start narrowing it down.

[Petr Dvorak]

yawn ... zzzz :meh:

[Jonathon Laing]

Jesus, 1030 people on recon, havnt seen that before. Jim I think they're waiting for something. *Cough* Anotehr sneak peak *Cough*

[John V]

The photo is not even part of Scarlet. Its a marketing thing to get us talking about what it could be ;)

[Jeff Kilgroe]

It's a RED herring...

Maybe it's just the battery charger...

[brandon thomas]

http://echoblack.net/uploads/misc/9_ui5a.jpg

maybe? all this flipping images made me think...

[Pawel Achtel]

It's a RED herring...

Maybe it's just the battery charger...

But why would it be asymetrical?

Both herring and a charger are symetrical... :sarcasm:

[S. Um]

You guys are having so much fun I should post another tomorrow...

Jim

Yes you should. And it's tomorrow now...

[Peter Mosiman]

Yes you should. And it's tomorrow now...

ha, true story. i am WAITING!!! =]

[James Kirst]

all I want is a sensor with a pl mount and a gigabit ethernet port... is that so wrong?

[Brook Willard]

all I want is a sensor with a pl mount and a gigabit ethernet port... is that so wrong?

Yes. Because that's not a camera.

[James Kirst]

oh, really? is there a "define: camera" thread? really, I was discussing the red one's feature set and the proprietary nature of the accessories today and realized it would be nice to just have a bare-bones unit that could be accessorized at will. so add a redcode streaming codec to my above list and vöila, i'm a happy camper...i'd buy two...

[Gunleik Groven]

You're talking about the SI mini... Readily available afaik.

The "what is a camera" thing is more of a philosphical debate. Where RED has taken the stand that it is a box with recognizeable functionability to a manual analogue photo-making-nice-pictures-with-box, also that all analogue, and som of the digital things we hook up to it should follow standards (except insisting on "p" instead of "psf" over SDI - which again is a principal standpoint)

[Mennovandijk]

http://echoblack.net/uploads/misc/9_ui5a.jpg

maybe? all this flipping images made me think...

Don't think the lens zoom control would be right above the record button. :turned:

[Jannard]

Sorry... anything I post will give it away. The 13th is almost here. Worth the wait.

Jim

[Gunleik Groven]

Hey, it's soon to be anyway... Why wait? :)

[Blake Gentry]

Sorry... anything I post will give it away. The 13th is almost here. Worth the wait.

Jim

haha damn you had my hopes up. Seems like you guys are working awfully hard over there, all day and all night, so i'm sure we won't be disappointed.

So this means that one more piece to the puzzle will let us solve it. Any more ideas about the missing link?

[Pawel Achtel]

Sorry... anything I post will give it away. The 13th is almost here. Worth the wait.

Jim

C'mon Jim, you can't weasel out now. We promise we won't guess it right. :innocent:

[axiomission]

Sorry... anything I post will give it away. The 13th is almost here. Worth the wait.

Jim

When on the 13th will you be spillin the beans?

[brandon thomas]

Don't think the lens zoom control would be right above the record button. :turned:

the zoom is in a similar position on a ton of consumer point and shoot cameras.. readily accessible for the right thumb..

i'm just throwing something else into the mix..