A taste...

[Jannard]

Just something to let you know we are still working on this stuff...

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_ui5.jpg

[Jean Déraps]

very sexy

[number6]

Is this the pilot's view or the co-pilots?

[Deanan]

Is this the pilot's view or the co-pilots?

Astronaut's view. :)

[number6]

Astronaut's view. :)

RED 1, this is Epic... entering final countdoun.... 1,000,000...999,999...999,998,,,,

[Mark L. Pederson]

sexy!

The only question in my mind is ....

Can The King of all Bean Spillers make it to November 13th ..?


Hehehe

[BigLu]

Thats fresh.

[Steve Sherrick]

sexy!

The only question in my mind is ....

Can The King of all Bean Spillers make it to November 13th ..?


Hehehe
Yes, but he may need to remove himself from the forum a few times because the speculation, the occasional attacks, etc. will probably cause a lot of perturbation. Let's hope he makes it. :-)

[Joseph Ward]

This is the back, right?

[Paul Lee]

That's just, plain mean, sir!

and looks mean too!

[C.H.Haskell]

haha...Jim is trigger happy to spill it! What makes you think this is epic? I am guessing Scarlet image.

[Ivan G]

I feel a spill coming.....:)

[Tom Lowe]

I can't stand the anticipation. Gotta go fishing in Mexico for a week or something....

[roryhinds]

spill the beans - free the soup

[number6]

999,938 whew! 999,937..need to 999,936..pee 999,935... 999,934... there...999,933..got to 999,932...remember 999,931... which bottle 999,930...has the 999,929... limeade 999,928... and which one 999,927... has the 999,926... pee 999,925

[Pawel Achtel]

I bet Jim doesn't have a good wide angle lens and he is shy to admit. This shot would have been so artistically beautiful if only taken from 1m away with a 25mm at f/11. What a shame...http://achtel.com/smiles/clown.gif

[Josiah Burdick]

keep it together jim. you can do this. only fifteen days.

[Joseph Hutson]

MORE MORE MORE!!!

Aren't we supposed to go from a close up, to a wide shot? CUT!

[Jared Caldwell]

Interesting navigation cross, Jim! >:}

EDIT: Thank you for the taste! It helps ease the addiction...:D

[Jerrod Cordell]

I think it's Scarlet. The top left looks kind of like a rocker-zoom.

[Steve Freebairn]

Jim, I think you should leave usb drives with pictures in Geocaches around the world and then REDUser will reassemble the images, or you could make it easy on us and have Jarred do own of his mysterious product shots where 3/4 of the image is in blackness :)

[Shawn Nelson]

Jim, shouldn't you be smoking cigars on a beach in Fiji somewhere? :-) :-D

I can't wait for the announcement!

[Jannard]

Jim, shouldn't you be smoking cigars on a beach in Fiji somewhere? :-) :-D

I can't wait for the announcement!

Not a chance! This is the most fun I have ever had in my life...

Jim

[yakobusan]

That one picture is more teasing than the whole T4 trailer.

[DaveT]

I like the mat-black buttons heaps better then the silver ones that were appeared in that old 'Deluxe handle' render :-)

Looks like all the controls are nicely accessible by an arcing thumb movement?

[Mohammed El Sharqawy]

i think that this a two handed operationsal panel...

[Jason Wingrove]

Nice Jim thanks.

Looks like great ergonomics.
Must be truly great fun evolving something like this.
Jas

_

[danielk]

Wow... Buttons...

[Justin Kirchhoff]

This is only a baby-bite of what's to come...I want a manly bite.

[Thommes Ulfeng]

There are just too many funny comments. Thanks all for a good laugh. I,m just sure that some time in November we are not laughing anymore. Cant wait for that announcement. Might have to follow the advice about fishing... :usd:

[michael zaletel]

Can't wait to trade in my Red One for the EPIC but glad I have the best camera in the world to play with while I wait for the future. If this is a picture of Scarlet, I'll take one of those on the side. :)

-shooter

[brandon thomas]

That looks amazing. Can't wait.

[Jerrod Cordell]

There are just too many funny comments. Thanks all for a good laugh. I,m just sure that some time in November we are not laughing anymore. Cant wait for that announcement. Might have to follow the advice about fishing... :usd:

If you want a good laugh, just go over to the scarletuser forums. We're all a bunch of silly bitches over there. :w00t:

[C.H.Haskell]

Not a chance! This is the most fun I have ever had in my life...

Jim

Sounds like a RedUser if you ask me. ;) look forward to the announcement Jim.

[Jannard]

It can't look good big if it doesn't look good small...

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_ui12.jpg

[Esteban Sosnitsky]

Is this EPIC? SCARLET? DSMC?
What is this?

[yakobusan]

Too... Much... Input...
One more picture and I smash my current camera :)

[Pawel Achtel]

Hey, wait. There is something missing there. The most important button has been left out. I can't see the "Buy Now" button. http://achtel.com/smiles/rofl.gif

OK, it is looking good. So looking at the buttons, I think the camera will only have about 6 stops DR. Am I right, Jim?

OK, he is tough. Anyone knows Jim's favourite poison and the nearest supplier? We can try the "old fashion way".

[Mitch Gross]

Hey Mom look, I can rotate in Solidworks!

[Jannard]

Hey Mom look, I can rotate in Solidworks!

Mitch... be careful. You already had to buy one cake!

Jim

[David Birdy]

Spill...Spill.....Spill.....

[Jarred Land]

Jim... behave!!!!

[Joseph Hutson]

It can't look good big if it doesn't look good small...

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_ui12.jpg

Well, until you start posting on the Scarlet's forum, we are keeping them updated.

Can you say something to us over there? An exclusive render? PLEASE???

[Steve Sherrick]

Mitch... be careful. You already had to buy one cake!

Jim

I vote for Mitch and Jim to duke this out in a steel cage match. If Mitch wins, Jim has to spill the beans.

I know someone is already racing to their animation program to create a Celebrity Death Match version of this. Make sure to post it as soon as you finish.

[Kyle Hance]

........

So I already had to pee off the wazoo as it was. Then I looked at this thread. And not one picture, but TWO! I seriously almost peed my pants!

New rule. When you see a new thread from Jim, go pee first!

[Jannard]

If Mitch wins...

You kidding? Mitch is a nice guy and makes great cakes... but. :-)

Jim

[Steve Lewis]

Clearly, Jim is having the time of his life with this stuff! :) The great thing is, I have a feeling that the fun Jim is having is a good indication of hte fun we'll have with Scarlet and Epic! It really makes one wonder, if this kind of revolutionary change in the world of photography is possible.... what have the "big boys" (Canon, Sony, Panasonic, etc...) been doing all these years?

[Jannard]

Clearly, Jim is having the time of his life with this stuff! :) The great thing is, I have a feeling that the fun Jim is having is a good indication of hte fun we'll have with Scarlet and Epic! It really makes one wonder, if this kind of revolutionary change in the world of photography is possible.... what have the "big boys" (Canon, Sony, Panasonic, etc...) been doing all these years?

The ONLY reason we are here is because the "other guys" weren't pushing the envelop. We'll see how they respond to Scarlet & EPIC. Should be very interesting.

Jim

[Shawn Nelson]

The ONLY reason we are here is because the "other guys" weren't pushing the envelop. We'll see how they respond to Scarlet & EPIC. Should be very interesting.

Jim

Hmm, you're still referring to 'Scarlet', I've been telling everyone and their third cousin that you canceled that.

[Remy Carter]

Please, please get these items out for sale ASAP. I had to listen to a Canon rep today go on and on about how the new video capabilities of their still cameras are a 1/6 the cost of a Red One body. There is no comparison, I know. I just want to have the new DSMC to shut their pie hole....

[Jannard]

Please, please get these items out for sale ASAP. I had to listen to a Canon rep today go on and on about how the new video capabilities of their still cameras are a 1/6 the cost of a Red One body. There is no comparison, I know. I just want to have the new DSMC to shut their pie hole....

What video capabilities? H.264 and skew?

Jim

[Remy Carter]

Exactly! It's not as bad as Nikon, but still really really bad!

[Rami Mustakim]

I used to spend much of my time reading this forum.

Fortunately I received my Red One yesterday and it took all my attention (what an amazing tool !!!)

But if today you're teasing me with a new toy Jim, I won't sleep anymore. I don't know if I can handle it. ;)

[Emanuel A.]

What video capabilities? H.264 and skew?

Jim:devil:

E. :-)

[Zach Hilton]

The ONLY reason we are here is because the "other guys" weren't pushing the envelop. We'll see how they respond to Scarlet & EPIC. Should be very interesting.

JimAnd the only reason why I'd be excited about what their response would be is to then hear what your response would be to their response to your response...woah...I'm getting dizzy...too many circles. But you get the idea.

[Steve Sherrick]

You kidding? Mitch is a nice guy and makes great cakes... but. :-)

Jim

I've met both of you in person. My bet is on...you know what, you're both really nice guys and maybe we should just stick to baking cakes and making kickass cameras. :-)

[Remy Carter]

What's crazy is that they think they are competing with what they come out with.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Scarlet or Epic Jim? That's all, please!

Those buttons look like they might feel like Audi buttons... I love Audi buttons... you KNOW if you engaged them just by their feel.

:watsup:

[Joseph Hutson]

Scarlet or Epic Jim? That's all, please!

Those buttons look like they might feel like Audi buttons... I love Audi buttons... you KNOW if you engaged them just by their feel.

:watsup:

SCARLET!!! http://scarletuser.com/showthread.php?t=1451

[Brook Willard]

Nice... now how about an Epic taste... :wink:

[Jannard]

Nice... now how about an Epic taste... :wink:

Who said you didn't get one?

Jim

[Joseph Hutson]

Who said you didn't get one?

Jim

OHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Scarlet is upgradeable to the EPIC. They share a likeness. BOOM BOOM YEAH!!!

[Pawel Achtel]

Who said you didn't get one?

Jim

Ahaa! This is the detachable panel, guys! It works with Epic and Scarlet.

OK, Jim. How about that 6 stops of DR? :devil:

[Joseph Hutson]

OK, Jim. How about that 6 stops of DR? :devil:

I thought it was more like 12 or 13?

[Pawel Achtel]

I thought it was more like 12 or 13?

Where did you hear that? I have a feeling the DR won't be more than 6, max 7 stops. Correct me if I am wrong, Jim. :bleh:

[Roberto Lequeux]

Guys, that could mean that what he showed us is Epic... that it is both is something you are assuming. Feel free to clarify Jim... or not... whatever the "business plan" is (more like a fun having plan, or a tease the guys to death plan). :innocent:


Give the man some space... he is busy! :construction:

[Jannard]

Guys, that could mean that what he showed us is Epic... that it is both is something you are assuming. Feel free to clarify Jim... or not... whatever the "business plan" is (more like a fun having plan, or a tease the guys to death plan). :innocent:


Give the man some space... he is busy! :construction:

Don't read too much into my responses (if that is possible). Things are not as they seem. They are better... :-)

Jim

[Brian Chapman]

The ONLY reason we are here is because the "other guys" weren't pushing the envelop. We'll see how they respond to Scarlet & EPIC. Should be very interesting.

Jim

How about instead of spilling the beans, you give us a shot of the scarlet (any piece you want) shot on a scarlet.

Then a piece of the EPIC, shot on an Epic.

Or mix and match just to throw us. Heck make a day by day puzzle for us to assemble.

That'd kill some of the waiting time.

[Peter Mosiman]

Jim + everyone....

I seriously can't take it. i am going crazy with excitement. these next two weeks are going to be a bitch to get through. but i WILL do it for my baby and yes, that will be the scarlet and when i get her i will love her so much.
ahhhh.
(im going a little crazy) :)

Peter Mosiman

[Roberto Lequeux]

Don't read too much into my responses (if that is possible).

I have been seeing a counselor for just that Jim. It is starting to work. :watsup:


Things are not as they seem. They are better... :-)

Jim

And this is what helps me get a grip. Regardless of what I read I can go to sleep knowing that. :meh:

[Jared Caldwell]

>:}
Needless to say, I am really excited, Jim. And just when I thought I was tired...
Thanks for the post at ScarletUser. We needed it.


Regardless of what I read I can go to sleep knowing that.

How can you go to sleep after that? I am too excited! :)

Jim, you are pretty good at turning some of us into insomniacs. You would be a terrible Santa. Think of all of the little kids that wouldn't be able to go to sleep for months before Christmas because of all of the excitement! :)

[Jannard]

Come Nov. 13th you will hear more than you ever expected... then you will have to wait again (for delivery). The message will be more than you could have ever dreamed. Then the wait will be unbearable. I have to suffer the same fate as you. It is exciting beyond measure. And frustrating beyond belief. We all want it NOW. The only good news is we know what you want. So at least you will be waiting for something worthwhile... beyond your wildest dreams.

If I am wrong and let you down on what we present, you can turn away from Reduser forever. If I am right, please show patience... because you will not see what we will show you from anyone else.

Jim

[Alexander Nikishin]

Damn Jim, you sure know how to excite a camera geek! :nerd:

[Tom Lowe]

waiting how long, Jim? like, receiving cameras in early 09? late 09?

[Shawn Nelson]

waiting how long, Jim? like, receiving cameras in early 09? late 09?

My guess is still working cams at NAB 09, shipping sometime in summer 09

[Luis Caffesse]

I'm constantly impressed at how you continue to push the bar higher for yourself.
I can't wait to see you guys have come up with.

[Jannard]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th. We fully expect over 1,000,000 hits on www.red.com on the 13th.

If I am wrong... look at the good side. You can finally turn off your reduser addiction.

Jim

[Jared Caldwell]

If I am wrong and let you down on what we present, you can turn away from Reduser forever. If I am right, please show patience...

Patience is not the problem, it's not having it today that makes it ha...oh wait...:) I don't think I will be turning away anytime soon. This train cannot be stopped, and I am having too much fun riding it.


because you will not see what we will show you from anyone else.


You have already done that, but I am ready for more!

EDIT:
I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th. We fully expect over 1,000,000 hits on www.red.com on the 13th.

If I am wrong... look at the good side. You can finally turn off your reduser addiction.

Jim

Now Jim, How can I go to sleep?

[Shawn Nelson]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th. We fully expect over 1,000,000 hits on www.red.com on the 13th.

If I am wrong... look at the good side. You can finally turn off your reduser addiction.

Jim

You're not wrong, you just might have underestimated my ability to dream high :-). But I'm certain I won't be disappointed, I hope that I can be shooting with SecretDevice #27 come next summer :)

[Blake Gentry]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th. We fully expect over 1,000,000 hits on www.red.com on the 13th.

If I am wrong... look at the good side. You can finally turn off your reduser addiction.

Jim

You never cease to amaze me, Jim. I can't imagine how awesome it must be to work for an owner who is so incredibly passionate about his company's work that he stays up late to post product teaser pics on the user forums.

Need any new grad. engineers? haha

I'm really looking forward to the 13th and how you will continue to revolutionize the digital imaging industry.

[Jannard]

You never cease to amaze me, Jim. I can't imagine how awesome it must be to work for an owner who is so incredibly passionate about his company's work that he stays up late to post product teaser pics on the user forums.

It's not late... is it? Only 12:15am where I am.

Jim

[A. Bastaki]

I like it when things are LABELED. I hope these are the only non-labeled buttons. If these are the only non-labeled buttons.. im in.

[Jason Wingrove]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th.
Jim

Looks like I'll have to up my speculation :-)

J

_

[Peter Mosiman]

It's not late... is it? Only 12:15am where I am.

Jim

No WONDER it always seems like you post super late at night...I'm 2 hours ahead of you. I was wondering how you were able to keep up the stamina of posting on here in the WEE hours and working the way you do at RED Ranch.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Come Nov. 13th you will hear more than you ever expected...


http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/535_1225350865.jpg
"I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit."



...Nov. 13th -- Bring it! :w00t:

I'm thinking the wait after the announcement is going to drive people insane.

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

Is this EPIC? SCARLET? DSMC?
What is this?

RED entering the keyboard market?
4 letters and a launch button.....

I dont know, man..... could be desaster....

Jochen

[Steve Sherrick]

It's not late... is it? Only 12:15am where I am.

Jim

3:23am where I am and still working. Okay, I have issues. Reduser keeps me entertained between renders. It also makes my head spin, especially with trying to figure out what's going to be announced on the 13th. New guess.

Holographic camera

back to rendering

[Shawn Bannon]

2008 is already insane year. what is up with 2009?

[steadimoose]

I think it's Scarlet. The top left looks kind of like a rocker-zoom.

Have You seen the size of this thing? That's no moon. It's a space station!
It's Epic, for crying out loud!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Reduser keeps me entertained between renders.

Ah, I see we have something in common... 1:40AM, rendering away, trying to stay awake by hanging out on reduser.


back to rendering

Yep...

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th. We fully expect over 1,000,000 hits on www.red.com on the 13th.

If I am wrong... look at the good side. You can finally turn off your reduser addiction.

Jim

Okay so the first 1 million people to log onto red.com on the 13 November will get a free Scarlet...

Shotgun one now!! Ha ha ha:bleh:

[zergtherobot]

This wait hurts me Jim.

[yakobusan]

We fully expect over 1,000,000 hits on www.red.com on the 13th.

And how many orders do you expect? Will you be able to handle them, or will some have to wait as long as with the Red One?

Please have some kind of mass production this time! :love:

[Steve Sherrick]

Ah, I see we have something in common... 1:40AM, rendering away, trying to stay awake by hanging out on reduser.



Yep...

I'm calling it quits for the night. Left eye is pretty much shut, right eye not too far behind. Maybe the beans will be spilled accidently by the morning.

[Shawn R]

MMMMMmmmmmmmmmm.........

Very nice....

[Shawn R]

What will they think of next....

Speaking of companies that could move faster......can I imagine a RED book pro....(I digress)

[Roberto Lequeux]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th.

Oww... come on! Including the insanity over at Scarlet User? You can not be serious... you must not remember some of the ridiculous stuff some posted over there... :)

[Minisergium]

Are we really talking about different things when referring to Scarlet and Epic? Maybe not...

[Duncan Thompson]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th. We fully expect over 1,000,000 hits on www.red.com on the 13th.

If I am wrong... look at the good side. You can finally turn off your reduser addiction.

Jim
Scarlet will be the new Red One. Scarlet will have full Red One capabilities. Plus.
At Scarlet prices.
And Epic will be available free to Red One customers as a swap.
And we shall all be gods.
And Jim will then give everyone Imax quality Scarlets, Epic, Ones for free.
And all our money back because he's simply crazy and is love.
And he will look down on the world and see that it is good.
Red is the black monolith from 2001, but with better design.
Red is the singularity.

Am I way off?!?!?!!!

[Piers Cox]

Hmm looks like my Canon g9 control, and thats lovely...... Carry on.

[Roberto Lequeux]

And he will look down on the world and see that it is good.
Red is the black monolith from 2001, but with better design.

Am I way off?!?!?!!!

I think you are right on target here... :sorcerer:

[Brandon Fraley]

Scarlet will be the new Red One. Scarlet will have full Red One capabilities. Plus.
At Scarlet prices.
And Epic will be available free to Red One customers as a swap.
And we shall all be gods.
And Jim will then give everyone Imax quality Scarlets, Epic, Ones for free.
And all our money back because he's simply crazy and is love.
And he will look down on the world and see that it is good.
Red is the black monolith from 2001, but with better design.
Red is the singularity.

Am I way off?!?!?!!!

ok, I'm going to be really disappointed if none of this happens now.

Good luck, Jim... Good luck... :glare:

[Jason Wingrove]

Come Nov. 13th you will hear more than you ever expected... then you will have to wait again (for delivery).
Jim

Any chance of a ballpark on the wait? or even the suburb the ballpark is in :shifty:

J

_

[Brandon Fraley]

if the "early 2009" date still stands I'd guess right after NAB. But considering this "significant" redesign, I can't imagine they're still shooting for that.

oh well, we'll find out in 2 weeks.

[Lewis-M Soucy]

I just got ALL accessories in the store for my ONE... Hope they will work with EPIC (and Scarlet, for some hopefully...) Else we might find a lot of RED accessories on eBay anytime soon...

:D

[Ken Chan]

Astronaut's view. :)

Maybe EPIC or Scarlet will get space qualified with NASA someday, :)

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

It really makes one wonder, if this kind of revolutionary change in the world of photography is possible.... what have the "big boys" (Canon, Sony, Panasonic, etc...) been doing all these years?


Sucking us dry!

[Jason Wingrove]

I just got ALL accessories in the store for my ONE... Hope they will work with EPIC (and Scarlet, for some hopefully...) Else we might find a lot of RED accessories on eBay anytime soon...

:D

Red has stated evf's / lcds etc will work with scarlet & epic
j

[Gunleik Groven]

So, teaser... What to do in the meantime?
I could come over as a consultant :)

[A. Bastaki]

its interesting.. canon like dial.. and arrows too.

[M.Halsell]

Wider grip. Good thumb control buttons and wheel. Nice.

[Mark Phelan]

Not a chance! This is the most fun I have ever had in my life...

Jim


Same here. Thanks, Jim.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

left side... left sidee

[Zach Nelson]

My wildest speculations:

Scarlet and Epic share the same guts - it's the glass and modular add-ons that differentiate the price points.

Scarlet will be capable of higher resolutions/speeds/whatever through upgradeable firmware for a price. So you can turn a Scarlet into an Epic over time as your budget allows.

For the record, I love Audi buttons and miss my Audi :(

[Zakaree Sandberg]

My wildest speculations:

Scarlet and Epic share the same guts - it's the glass and modular add-ons that differentiate the price points.

Scarlet will be capable of higher resolutions/speeds/whatever through upgradeable firmware for a price. So you can turn a Scarlet into an Epic over time as your budget allows.
:(

haha wild dreams from the scarlet guys...

[Trevor Meier]

Ah, this forum is so much fun. I mean, despite all the teasing by Jim & Co, this is what RED makes possible:

I'm sitting here, doing an indie DI (by myself, with desktop tools). I've been working from 8PM to 8AM, all week, pulling all nighters so I can get free access to a bunch of idle Mac Pro's. I'm onlining my 3.5 year passion project on Rwanda that started shooting on the DVX. My nighttime project is up-ressing all the old & archival footage to match this beautiful image-making machine, the RED.

Thanks to RED, this little passion project has thousands of moving images like the attached still. As a director I have the imaging power in my hands to tell the story about this little, forgotten place even though my show has no money.

And in the daytime, I make money renting Red's to big network shows like Scifi's Sanctuary, commercials and all that... showing other filmmakers how to use this powerful tool. The same tool empowers everybody on that chain.

The RED One is just the beginning. I can't wait to see what Jim's got up his sleeve.

[David Wyatt]

I predict something crazy...Scarlet will be merged with the DSMC...crazy I know :clown2:

Something tells me Scarlet got pulled at the same time as the DSMC when the Canon and Nikon got announced, and now Red want to land a knockout punch...

[Tico Llaurador]

Something tells me this is going to be a long-lengthy winter for a lot of folks, including yours truly...

But, if it's anything like the RED One's, it will be well worth the wait. And then some.

[Júlio Taubkin]

Come Nov. 13th you will hear more than you ever expected... then you will have to wait again (for delivery). The message will be more than you could have ever dreamed. Then the wait will be unbearable. I have to suffer the same fate as you. It is exciting beyond measure. And frustrating beyond belief. We all want it NOW. The only good news is we know what you want. So at least you will be waiting for something worthwhile... beyond your wildest dreams.

If I am wrong and let you down on what we present, you can turn away from Reduser forever. If I am right, please show patience... because you will not see what we will show you from anyone else.

Jim

Time travel. It must be time travel!

[VJzoo]

You're a wicked, wicked tease Mr. Jannard!

[Lee Jay]

Come Nov. 13th you will hear more than you ever expected... then you will have to wait again (for delivery). The message will be more than you could have ever dreamed. Then the wait will be unbearable. I have to suffer the same fate as you. It is exciting beyond measure. And frustrating beyond belief. We all want it NOW. The only good news is we know what you want. So at least you will be waiting for something worthwhile... beyond your wildest dreams.

If I am wrong and let you down on what we present, you can turn away from Reduser forever. If I am right, please show patience... because you will not see what we will show you from anyone else.

Jim

Why do you think you know what we want, when it's absolutely *certain* that we don't all want the same things?

[George A.]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th.

Jim

Well, an aggressive speculation would be that all RED ONE owners will get a free upgrade to EPIC. I call this aggressive :)

[Olaf]

Looks very DSLR like to me...

;)

O.

[Stephen Williams]

Well, an aggressive speculation would be that all RED ONE owners will get a free upgrade to EPIC. I call this aggressive :)

A price cut to $10k for Epic , $5k for RED One & $1k for Scarlet would be aggressive speculation IMHO, hopefully it will be better than that :wink: With housing & stock markets falling as much as 50% anything is possible.

Stephen

[number6]

you will not see what we will show you from anyone else.

Jim

The Godzillas... I pity the poor bastards... Really! I do.... Cause were gonna hold 'em by the nose and kick 'em in the ass. We're gonna go through 'em like crap through a goose. We're gonna cut out there livin' guts and we're gonna grease the treads of our grip trucks with them. And when you look over at your buddy and see his camera's guts spilled all over the floor, well, you'll know what to do... Go order a RED of some ilk... 999,887... 999,886... 999,885...


Oh, forgot to mention "And he will be proud to lead you wonderful guys anywhere, anytime... that is all..." (Raise the Red Logo flag...Cue the patton theme)

[Meryem Ersoz]

Jim, you've already delivered more than I could have ever dreamed...

So what we need is bigger dreams. I'm going backwards to move forward...

What made the Lumiere Bros. Cinematographe the most exportable imaging technology on the planet, at the time, was a camera that could then be converted on-the-spot into a projector, rolled in one. Separate units were not required. So the operator could shoot and deliver in the same day.

So I'm going with...SCARLET - recording device only, EPIC will roll RED-RAY into a modular system that will somehow allow us to shoot and deliver 2K or higher in a single upgradeable package.

So we can all become 19th-century itinerant magic lantern wielding impresarios for a new age.

If Jim is really talking about a paradigm-busting shift equal to or greater than RED ONE, it is going to be something far more interesting, more revolutionizing, than more resolution or interchangeable lens mounts on a SCARLET. Those will be givens, because we already know they can. Canon/Nikon can up these antes, as can RED, and Sony, etc. for that matter, so it has to be something else. Something that breaks the escalating pattern of offering more...

Something the "other guys" can't/won't offer us is delivery. That's something that will unlock the potential of the cameras. And the modularity of EPIC could certainly permit a complete re-think of the camera as an acquisition-only device. How cool would that be?

[Zach Nelson]

Here's some lame speculation:

The camera bodies are free - we pay a fraction of a cent (USD) for each frame we convert from r3d to another format. :whistling:

[Michael Lindsay]

A price cut to $10k for Epic , $5k for RED One & $1k for Scarlet would be aggressive speculation IMHO, hopefully it will be better than that :wink: With housing & stock markets falling as much as 50% anything is possible.

Stephen

Aggressive price cuts would worry and disappoint me. I want things cheap but please Epic should be the no compromise, slightly over engineered, product that certain productions need.

Red one is a fantastically good product for a price. I want Epic to remove the 'for a price' question mark!!

2.5 extras stops on top of what is already promised would completely floor me (and all the users I know personally). Nothing else is really needed.

regards

Michael Lindsay

[number6]

aggressive price cuts would worry and disappoint me.

Regards

michael lindsay

mods! Can you remove this post?!!!! ..999,811... 999,810...999,809

[Gregory Leno]

I predict something crazy...Scarlet will be merged with the DSMC...crazy I know :clown2:


This is probably the closest to the truth of all the speculation I've seen.
It will be a hybrid that makes Canon's offering look like a little kids toy.


Greg

[arun]

countinnn days jimm! wel i have a big sized pocket, hope this time we wil get a little big scarlet !

[David Birdy]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th. We fully expect over 1,000,000 hits on www.red.com on the 13th.

If I am wrong... look at the good side. You can finally turn off your reduser addiction.

Jim

Jim,

Does this mean 12:01 AM EST on 11/13/08 we will get the announcement??

This really must be half the fun of it!:devil:


Dave

[Zach Nelson]

Yes -- EST not PST

[Weston Ford]

Come Nov. 13th you will hear more than you ever expected...... beyond your wildest dreams.

I'm more excited for this than anything I can remember being excited about.

[Viktor SvobodaOLD]

Now, that is nice TV remote control :D

[Gabe S.]

Can't wait. Wonder when Scarlet will finally ship...it's...torture!

[Gene Crucean]

I need to thank Canon and Nikon for lighting a (small) fire under Jim's ass.

The fact that they released all the video features seems like it was what was needed to get interchangeable lenses on the scarlet :) I for one, was one of the people who was vocal about needing interchangeable lenses on this baby. Of course I could be wrong but I think at this point it's safe to say it will include this. My guess is probably a RED lens mount for a new line of lenses, which will be nice and suck at the same time.

Either way I can't wait for the 13th.

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th. We fully expect over 1,000,000 hits on www.red.com on the 13th.

If I am wrong... look at the good side. You can finally turn off your reduser addiction.

Jim

LOL

Jim, come on, it's time to fess up.. RED is a front for Stark Industries and you are:
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4264137728/tt0371746
:)

[fde101]

I'm thinking too this could mean that the Scarlet and EPIC both use the same detachable control panels; but another possibility is that the two renders are from two different cameras: if you look more closely, Jim posted this one here and the other one there (it is the users who mixed them together), and they are not quite the same...

[Christopher Nagel]

Just my six cents:

- Hopefully it has the form factor of a movie camera and not an SLR.
- Wireless networking built in to supply video-village with its picture
- Wireless also allows camera control / sync (4 scarlets auto-sync to create a single 4x frame!)
- Sensor is now full-sized - EPIC's is 120mm
- Built-in HD monitor
- Hot-swappable 250 Gig RAID-10 storage cards
- Easy way to add production meta-data to shots
- Instant-on
- Variable frame rate: from weekly to 300 fps
- GPS and Accelerometers transmit motion-capture data to new RED robotic SteadiCam (which can then repeat the path)
- Monitor provides a touch-sensitive menu i/f
- No matter how it's mounted, the image is always upright
- Lens is 4mm - 220mm, f1.6, and doesn't breathe when zooming
- Anamorphic option

OK, I could probably do this all day so I better stop now.

Thanks to RED, as always, for giving us 21st century stuff *in* the 21st century, and for keeping the sales hype honest.

Chris

PS: I almost forgot to ask: Can it act?

[Brook Willard]

Who said you didn't get one?

Jim

You when you posted it at ScarletUser...





...right?




Blair and I took Ted into the van and roughed him up a little at HD expo... he still wouldn't spill the beans.:shiftyph34r:

[Zakaree Sandberg]

put on your padded face mask and boxing gloves

[KETCH ROSSi]

Come Nov. 13th you will hear more than you ever expected... then you will have to wait again (for delivery). The message will be more than you could have ever dreamed. Then the wait will be unbearable. I have to suffer the same fate as you. It is exciting beyond measure. And frustrating beyond belief. We all want it NOW. The only good news is we know what you want. So at least you will be waiting for something worthwhile... beyond your wildest dreams.

If I am wrong and let you down on what we present, you can turn away from Reduser forever. If I am right, please show patience... because you will not see what we will show you from anyone else.

Jim

With this type of writing makes me wish I could afford to hire you to write the Synopsis for my current Movie, I KNOW I will get the full budget from the Studios then!:)

I think is time for me to ease up on reading your posts, my heart had already had a strong hit once:w00t:

But still looking forward to what is to come, and more so looking forward to have you soon next door here ion Vegas, then I can Bag the crap out of you guys on a daily basis or cook you guys Lasagna and prepare Tirami Su' just to get a little closer to this "INSANE" company called "RED DIGITAL CINEMA"

ciao

[Jason Diamond]

yes i agree on the merge of DSMC and Scarlet especially since jim jas taken the stance of "Whats a DSMC?"

[Stephen Williams]

Aggressive price cuts would worry and disappoint me. I want things cheap but please Epic should be the no compromise, slightly over engineered, product that certain productions need.
Michael Lindsay

Hi Michael,

Red One was priced at $17500, one would expect computer equipment to halve in cost every 18 months so $10,000 next year is not that out of line. Also Red have sold 10 times the no of cameras they expected to do, with econony of scale it should be quite possible to be $5000.


Stephen

[Kristin Stewart]

It's always funny to read the numerous posts that a simple Jim's tease induces. He's gifted, that's a fact !

Meryem, about the Lumière Brothers thing : sure, from a technical point of view, using the same box to record and project the pictures was impressive. But the real surprise was to see moving pictures... It was a long time ago, but I remember quite clearly : in this small room on the Grands Boulevards in Paris, some spectators even jumped from their seats to keep out of the train's way... the arrival of the train at the Ciotat...

Uh, I have to go, my old bones are cracking from everywhere...

[Tom Lowe]

Hi Michael,

Red One was priced at $17500, one would expect computer equipment to halve in cost every 18 months so $10,000 next year is not that out of line. Also Red have sold 10 times the no of cameras they expected to do, with econony of scale it should be quite possible to be $5000.


Stephen

Lol, how do you know how many units they expected to sell?

I hope you have been saving your Euros for Epic!!

[Stephen Williams]

I hope you have been saving your Euros for Epic!!

Hi Tom,

IIRC in the beginning there was talk of 500 units

I have been buying USD for a long time, however I invested in the stockmarket so I have been hit badly.

Stephen

[Michael Lindsay]

Hi Stephen


Hi Michael,

Red One was priced at $17500, one would expect computer equipment to halve in cost every 18 months so...

I don't expect this... there is the transistor count doubling trend observations of others and there is my experience of buying high end workstations for over 10 years. Neither lead me to infer your statement and counter intuitively apply it to a cinema camera

Also Red have sold 10 times the no of cameras they expected to do...

I'd bet Jim ambitions are far greater than you are suggesting.


...with econony of scale it should be quite possible to be $5000.

I'm sure he can make a cinema camera for $5000. But why would you make a PL mount camera for less than a good set of diopters ??

A fully kitted out scarlet for 5k sound great to me.. I'll take 2 straight away.

One of my frustrations with our Reds IS the economy of scale consequences. I just don't want to encourage more. A proper design stage producing a beautifully cut body with a perfectly thermally modelled mount would cost as much as you want to pay for a whole cinema camera??

I'd also like Red to invest in serious R&D.. You? And I don't mind them making a good profit. you?

I personally hope Epic is not compromised (like his 18-50, most of the accessories and some aspects of Red one) by cheapness.

And I say this as someone without deep pockets or a hire business to justify my spending.

Once post is finally sorted out it would be great to have no more well justified moans.

I want a digital 435/Penelope rolled into a revolution continuing product.

I suspect you would like to shoot with my fictional camera (and hopefully Epic) but are enjoying the billionaire baiting game too much.

regards

Michael Lindsay

[Ian Laurie]

Reading these posts today has caused me to have a great day. I have no idea what jim plans. He has made so many little comments here and there. I love my brand new red one. I wish that it was even possible to consider picking up an epic. but unless the trade in value on the one happens to be equal to the cost of the epic its not likely to happen. Regardless, I am thoroughly enjoying the speculation. Jim, you are clearly the master of viral marketing. I keep hearing all this talk about how Red's marketing machine is more than their cameras are capable of. but considering your marketing machine is us, the owners, clearly you have done a fantastic job.

okay, my speculation:

Red one upgraded to an epic at a price
however, i also think that there will be some kind of modular replacement for red one owners rather than an outright swap.

[Stephen Williams]

I suspect you would like to shoot with my fictional camera (and hopefully Epic) but are enjoying the billionaire baiting game too much.

regards

Michael Lindsay

Hi Michael,

I enjoy shooting with whatever camera is most suitable for the job in hand. Having shot 35mm, Red, Digtal Betacam & HVX200 in the last 4 weeks, horses for cources.

I have no reason to play a baiting game. I don't remember mentioning that the markets would fall 40% this year, that would have been a baiting game for many billionairs 12 months ago.

Stephen

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Stephen,
HVX200 was released December 05.
I cant remember exactly but i think 5500-6000 was the price for that camera.
BH has it for about 5100
(the reason these drop in price is because there are many resellers who fight for competition)

by your theory. an HVX would be going new for...
750-1000 bucks?


btw.. it prolly will be after scarlet:)

[Dj Joofa]

Hi Stephen


Hi Michael,
one would expect computer equipment to halve in cost every 18 months ...
Stephen

I don't expect this... there is the transistor count doubling trend observations of others and there is my experience of buying high end workstations for over 10 years. Neither lead me to infer your statement and counter intuitively apply it to a cinema camera.


With the boundary between computer and communications-type chips and devices blurring, the price-falloff-model perhaps needs to be reevaluated. Sharp declines in semiconductor prices are largely responsible for observed declines in computer prices. Communications devices also have a large semiconductor content, but their prices do not fall nearly as fast as computer prices. Many times, these differences are large enough to potentially explain all of the output price differences.

Some studies have suggested that the lack of “convergence” in quality adjusted price trends between computers and communications may have been due in large part to regulatory factors. However, with the breakup of Bell Systems, and deregulation of communication markets sometime ago, and rapid growth in unregulated data communications and networking markets, the regulatory inference seems less plausible.



I'm sure he can make a cinema camera for $5000.


Based upon what I have seen, a price range in to $5000-10,000 seems possible. On the other hand, Epic has been rumored to be in the $30,000-40,000 range. I would tend to think that Jim Jannard would like to do his best to bring the cost down as much as possible, and is certainly helped by direct sales from his own outfit.

However, I have never been able to reconcile why there is a difference.

[Stephen Williams]

Stephen,

btw.. it prolly will be after scarlet:)

Hi Zakaree,

HVX seems like a very old camera now, I would not want to pay more than $1000 for one today. Far better cameras are available today for $6000.

Stephen

BTW the DigiBeta with a 4.8mm wide zoom was far cheaper to rent than the HVX. The director wanted to edit using final cut and firewire.

[Axel Mertes]

Not a chance! This is the most fun I have ever had in my life...

Jim

So its all clear now:

Its the new portable game system from RED:

Jim has fun.
Jim shows ABCD buttons.
Jim shows a Joystick.

Its a game pad.

Have fun!

Axel

[Michael Panfeld]

Jim: is it possible that one of the changes to Scarlet is the addition of an Amimon chip to allow wireless uncompressed HD to be streamed to a monitor or capture station? And if not, have you guys considered this? Cheers

[Peter Mosiman]

This is my speculation as to what has happened...

I believe that the two renders we were shown were not either camera, but the Smart Handle that can attach to both for stills and whatever else you can use it for. That is why he asked us how we know that we haven't seen the Epic either. OR it could just be the plate on the back of both cameras. Ha. I still think that its the Smart Handle but now has much more purpose and can attach to both cams.

I also think that this Smart Handle has taken over the DSMC. The reason there is no more DSMC is because they figured out a way to make both EPIC and SCARLET DSMC's and thanks to this Smart Handle they don't have to worry about making another camera...they can focus on making the ones they are already working on.

How sweet would that be? Anyone think I am anywhere close?

[Mitch Gross]

I think the render is of the new RED Stupendo garage door opener.

[Roberto Lequeux]

LOL

Jim, come on, it's time to fess up.. RED is a front for Stark Industries and you are:
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4264137728/tt0371746
:)

We are way ahead of you over at Scarlet User: http://www.scarletuser.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=260&d=1222864768
:watsup:

[Roberto Lequeux]

This is my speculation as to what has happened...

I believe that the two renders we were shown were not either camera, but the Smart Handle that can attach to both for stills and whatever else you can use it for. That is why he asked us how we know that we haven't seen the Epic either. OR it could just be the plate on the back of both cameras. Ha. I still think that its the Smart Handle but now has much more purpose and can attach to both cams.

I also think that this Smart Handle has taken over the DSMC. The reason there is no more DSMC is because they figured out a way to make both EPIC and SCARLET DSMC's and thanks to this Smart Handle they don't have to worry about making another camera...they can focus on making the ones they are already working on.

How sweet would that be? Anyone think I am anywhere close?

I think the same. Along those lines anyway.

[Ad Man]

I didn't know it was possible to be sick with anticipation until now...

[Simon Blackledge]

lol funny.. 2 weeks of sickness..

Mind.. ya probably have a cold being in Manchester :)

[Ad Man]

How did you know?! ;-)

[Simon Blackledge]

coz I'm sat in the city centre with the heating off ;)

[Ad Man]

Hardcore!! I suppose those render farms kick out a lot of heat anyway... :)

[Mohammed El Sharqawy]

what you are doing Jim made me in a real confusion.. lots of speculations made one could imagine anything better or worth.. its 14 days till we know anything.. but, my mind stopped imagining what kind of camera we are getting in the end.. its excitement and frustration at the same time.. I wish, you wish and Jim does what he wish... guys I'm laughing on my self writing this.. I lots of whishes just can't write them...

[David Birdy]

I spoke with Dr. Evil:angry01: and he suggests plan A & plan B.

Plan A
Kelly holds Jim down and Tickles him until he spills the beans!

Plan B An un-named associate of Dr.Evil's will infiltrate Red Headquarters and
Hide all of Jim's Cigars until he spills the beans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:usd:

Please vote for your favorite plan:clown2:

[Pawel Achtel]

Yes -- EST not PST
0:01 am AEDST Australian Eastern Daylight Savigs Time :bleh: Ahh those Americans...

[Zach Nelson]

I like the ASAP timezone... we don't reallllly have to wait for Nov. 13th do we?

[Robert Permenter]

Well this seems to be exciting! After lurking around for the past couple of months I signed up. Hoping to beat the rush before the announcement.
I've been watching the various videos from the Canon 5dMark2. I'm really liking what I see for the price but the jury is still out. Because of Red. I'm pretty stoked to see what Red provides. C'mon Jim! I just hope I can afford it. I'm tired of trying to shoot with crappy lenses and tiny sensors. I've dreamed of this day for a few years know. Can't wait to see what comes of it.

[Meryem Ersoz]

yes i agree on the merge of DSMC and Scarlet especially since jim jas taken the stance of "Whats a DSMC?"

That seems rather obvious, though, don't you think? Definitely SCARLET and EPIC are being collapsed in some way, the Smart Handle theory seems likely. But I am guessing that is just the tip of the iceberg, that's the jack in his hand, and there is at least a pair of aces in there somewhere.

But Jim already alluded to that, and he is very clear that we should be prepared for surprises and for that "scam" word to be kicked around -- I would be surprised that, with degree of excitement/hype, if all that he is doing is competing with new releases from Canon and Nikon by one-upping the existing paradigm, especially since he has already alluded to it.

I'm preparing to be blown away...

[Cüneyt Kaya]

you can combine epic an scarlet to get a 3d rig.........:shiftyph34r:

[Cüneyt Kaya]

you can combine epic and scarlet to get an HDR cam..............:shiftyph34r:

[Zakaree Sandberg]

wants- epic @ 4-perf, controls on left side- front, all power/video/drive ports right side - at angle

[Jarred Land]

You never cease to amaze me, Jim. I can't imagine how awesome it must be to work for an owner who is so incredibly passionate about his company's work that he stays up late to post product teaser pics on the user forums..

It is quite awesome indeed...

And in case anyone didn't know.. Jim isn't just posting these images.. he is creating them.

There is no "armchair CEO" action here, Jim is doing the work, dictating the design, making the renders, moving things around, moulding how everything will look in the end. He's the hardest working employee at RED.. and sleeps the least :)

[Roberto Lequeux]

well don't get lazy Jarred, you represent us, so back to work! :)

[Paul Hazlett]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th. We fully expect over 1,000,000 hits on www.red.com on the 13th.

If I am wrong... look at the good side. You can finally turn off your reduser addiction.

Jim

A million hits?? thats a pretty f'en ballsy prediction. then again those brass ones have been earned.

Just don't ask me to polish them...

[Paul Hazlett]

well don't get lazy Jarred, you represent us, so back to work! :)

too funny

[Jarred Land]

well don't get lazy Jarred, you represent us, so back to work! :)

oops sorry.. back i go :)

[Petr Dvorak]

well don't get lazy Jarred, you represent us, so back to work! :)

L.M.A.O.

ditto :biggrin:

[Jonathon Laing]

Lol, chuck some google ads on the site Jim and make a few extra buks lol. Obviously you wouldn't but man I wish I could have a 1,000,000 hits to my website. Aww the revenue.

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

We are way ahead of you over at Scarlet User: http://www.scarletuser.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=260&d=1222864768
:watsup:

OMG:gun:

[Jarred Land]

one up...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla2.jpg

[filip kovcin]

...

Red is the black monolith from 2001, but with better design.



it's not yet 2010, but anyhow:

Heywood Floyd: What? What's going to happen?
Dave Bowman: Something wonderful.
Heywood Floyd: What?
Dave Bowman: I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.

:)

filip

[Jonathon Laing]

Hahaha thats awsome. Did someone modify an image or draw the whole bloody thing up?

[Tom Lowe]

one up...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla2.jpg

*heads for c.com to post this* :biggrin:

[Steve Sherrick]

Hi Zakaree,

HVX seems like a very old camera now, I would not want to pay more than $1000 for one today. Far better cameras are available today for $6000.

Stephen

BTW the DigiBeta with a 4.8mm wide zoom was far cheaper to rent than the HVX. The director wanted to edit using final cut and firewire.

Stephen, have you had any luck finding a used Red for $12,000 or less yet?:biggrin:

[Steve Sherrick]

And just so everyone knows, I respect Stephen. Just giving him a hard time. I think Red needs to make money so this train can keep on rolling. That means profit margins have to stay decent. I'd like to see Scarlet hit the sub $5000 mark, but not at the expense of the company not making money or having to make compromises that make me not want the camera. I'm always for getting gear cheap as long as it does the job and the company stays in business.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Haha! Excellent! (though I think making Red's package so big was a bit much) HAHAHA!!!

No, seriously that's excellent... loved it. Though maybe do away with the urban destruction... especially during the economic situation. Just my 0.02

Can I e-mail it to sales reps over at Sony? Am I allowed? Please?!?!! :bleh:

[Petr Dvorak]

... Can I e-mail it to sales reps over at Sony? Am I allowed? Please?!?!! :bleh:

you don't need it, they all lurking here all the time :tongue:

[Roberto Lequeux]

you don't need it, they all lurking here all the time :tongue:

I know, but I want them to get it in their in-box from some random person.
Keep them on their toes.
:sarcasm:

[KETCH ROSSi]

one up...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla2.jpg

It is refreshing to see that there is still individuals with "BIG" set of B%$#@LS!!!:) :) :)

ciao

[number6]

one up...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla2.jpg

So, is the shiny thing the new Epic render? 999,798...999,797..

[konozulu]

I can't take it anymore. Where do I buy? I don't even know what it is and I want it. All i have ever wanted is to take better pictures then anyone else. Is that to much to ask? :)

[Robert Permenter]

I can't take it anymore. Where do I buy? I don't even know what it is and I want it. All i have ever wanted is to take better pictures then anyone else. Is that to much to ask? :)

All I want is to take Panavision like images without the Panavision price!

[Zack CC]

I'm still amazed at the "over 1,000,000 hits prediction", considering the number of unique hits red.com already gets a day, The news will have to be so momentous that it snowballs by word of mouth / blogs (gizmodo and engadget) and news sites (digg / reddit)...


but i guess once you figure in all the international employees of Sony, Canon and Panasonic that are tuning in to see the device that is putting them out of jobs.... doh! Got the logic.

Touché, Jim.

><

[gbalaji]

Jim

You always outthink us and innovate things beyond our expectations. Will Scarlet outsell and Compete with Red One and Epic. What's your guess?

[DanCar]

I am now comfortable in saying that the most aggressive speculation will not come close to what we will announce Nov. 13th. We fully expect over 1,000,000 hits on www.red.com on the 13th.

If I am wrong... look at the good side. You can finally turn off your reduser addiction.

JimIf you make some of the product pics with low copyrights acceptable by wikipedia, then we can post them there. Some options are small pics, pics with wording agreeable to Red, watermarked, etc...

Daniel

[DanCar]

one up...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla2.jpgDang, some people have talent!
Very entertaining, although instead of showing destruction in the background can we show something more uplifting? How about a bunch of Red bots building a nice city? :-)

[Jarred Land]

Hahaha thats awsome. Did someone modify an image or draw the whole bloody thing up?

from scratch :)

[Roberto Lequeux]

Who drew it? And when?

[Stephen Williams]

Stephen, have you had any luck finding a used Red for $12,000 or less yet?:biggrin:

Hi,

I said end of the year! Bear in mind thay Euro buyers who bought at the right time won't be making much of a loss at $12,000. I am amazed everyone is so bullish with the worlds financial situatioin at the moment.

What I do know is every one of my clients is paying slower than they were 60 days ago. I have been paid by just one client in that time but have been very busy shooting.

Stephen

[Gunleik Groven]

What I do know is every one of my clients is paying slower than they were 60 days ago. I have been paid by just one client in that time but have been very busy shooting.

Stephen

I have seen this tendency evolve over the last year - long before I got my RED...

[Martin Weiss]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/8467_1225453424.gif

[Lexicon]

from scratch :)

Did you draw that yourself? I'd buy that in a heartbeat if it was a poster. There is also a certain irony in that artwork in that the last Godzilla movie was shot on Sony F900 cameras. :ninja:

[Peter Majtan]

one up...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla2.jpg

I like the blood splatter on the left fist, but wasn't Sony & Panavision suppose to bleed blue? :biggrin:

[Peter Sensor]

Jim, this all sounds great. But I'm sending a wire today for my Red one.
Should I be waiting ?

[Spike Baumann]

Cool...So when do the carbon fiber faced, titanium cased RED dive watches come out?

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Jim, this all sounds great. But I'm sending a wire today for my Red one.
Should I be waiting ?

Nahhh....:shifty:

[Ethan Cooper]

one up...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_reduser-godzilla2.jpg


I love the old school Transformers look of this. The only problem I have with it is the complete destruction of the world at the hands of these companies.
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[Shawn R]

Beyond our expectations, hmmmmm......
Then I know the Epic will come standard with an IMS. That will include everyones favorite glass will electronic control and I pins.

[Petr Dvorak]

RedoCop strikes again :biggrin:

[Antoine Fabi]

I dont see RED destroying other companies.

I see RED making his very own world.

Antoine

[number6]

Jim, this all sounds great. But I'm sending a wire today for my Red one.
Should I be waiting ?

Don't anyone spend any money on just one of my feelings... but I think if one is thinking about buying a RED One, they should do so BEFORE Nov. 13th.:calm: If you are thinking about Epic instead, it's already been stated there will be no penalty... everything else has so far been left unsaid.

[vincelucero]

Is this EPIC? SCARLET? DSMC?
What is this?

Looks like a sweet ass DSMC to me. Me likey. Muahahahahaha! :holloween:

[Eki Halkka]

How about this for a "wildest speculation":

Red has made a breakthrough in sensor technology - a very, very fast high resolution plenoptic sensor, and a similar breakthrough in compression technology.

(in case you don't know what plenoptic means, read this)
http://www-bcs.mit.edu/people/jyawang/demos/plenoptic/plenoptic.html

The pocket-sized camera is able to shoot 8K plenoptic video at very high frame rates under normal lighting conditions and compress them to a manageable size. The sensor sensitivity, speed and compression efficiency have all been improved by a factor of 100 or so. The footage will be always shot at, say, 2400 frames a second.

What would this mean in practice??

1. Shooting plenoptic means the footage is instantly 3D compatible, with single camera, single lens.

2. A high resolution depth matte can be extracted from the image by computing the differences of the view points. No more greenscreen...

3. The camera's focus point and depth of field characteristics can be determined in post

3b. In the future there will be software that will generate 3D mesh from the footage, even if it's just one frame, as well as extract camera's path as 3D motion, but the rumor is that this may be done by a 3rd party ;-)

4. Shooting at 2400 fps means footage can be conformed to any normal playback frame rate in post.

5. It also means the shutter speed can be determined in post by combining individual frames (i.e. 1/48 at 24 fps would mean combining 50 frames together, then throwing away 50 frames, rinse and repeat).

6. As a side effect, the camera would be a HDR camera - the exposure would be created from 50 combined normal dynamic range frames, which in practice means roughly 6 extra stops of latitude.

7. A "minor" side effect would be awesome slow motion footage (when giving away extra dynamic range etc.), up to 1% speed.

8. Of course creating speed ramps in post is also a non-issue.

9. Due to yet another bunch of breakthroughs in the manufacturing process, this all can be yours for just $999.-

10. It ships in december 2008, available at all grocery stores near you.



...how'd that sound?

PS: building a high speed plenoptic camera is possible with today's technology, at least in theory. It wouldn't fit in the pocket though, and $999 is a bit of an underestimate for the cost...

[Michael Cory]

How about this for a "wildest speculation":

Red has made a breakthrough in sensor technology - a very, very fast high resolution plenoptic sensor, and a similar breakthrough in compression technology.

(in case you don't know what plenoptic means, read this)
http://www-bcs.mit.edu/people/jyawang/demos/plenoptic/plenoptic.html

The pocket-sized camera is able to shoot 8K plenoptic video at very high frame rates under normal lighting conditions and compress them to a manageable size. The sensor sensitivity, speed and compression efficiency have all been improved by a factor of 100 or so. The footage will be always shot at, say, 2400 frames a second.

What would this mean in practice??

1. Shooting plenoptic means the footage is instantly 3D compatible, with single camera, single lens.

2. A high resolution depth matte can be extracted from the image by computing the differences of the view points. No more greenscreen...

3. The camera's focus point and depth of field characteristics can be determined in post

3b. In the future there will be software that will generate 3D mesh from the footage, even if it's just one frame, as well as extract camera's path as 3D motion, but the rumor is that this may be done by a 3rd party ;-)

4. Shooting at 2400 fps means footage can be conformed to any normal playback frame rate in post.

5. It also means the shutter speed can be determined in post by combining individual frames (i.e. 1/48 at 24 fps would mean combining 50 frames together, then throwing away 50 frames, rinse and repeat).

6. As a side effect, the camera would be a HDR camera - the exposure would be created from 50 combined normal dynamic range frames, which in practice means roughly 6 extra stops of latitude.

7. A "minor" side effect would be awesome slow motion footage (when giving away extra dynamic range etc.), up to 1% speed.

8. Of course creating speed ramps in post is also a non-issue.

9. Due to yet another bunch of breakthroughs in the manufacturing process, this all can be yours for just $999.-

10. It ships in december 2008, available at all grocery stores near you.



...how'd that sound?

Its posts like these that make me wish Jim didnt say beyond our wildest expectations. Everybody has just been talking ridiculous since then. I know the posts are just supposed to be funny but....

Jim, I think Scarlets original specs were amazing so any improvements would amaze me. Cant wait to buy one if. If you need any help in mass producing the cameras let me know. Ill work for free or maybee a scarlet.

[Eki Halkka]

Jim, I think Scarlets original specs were amazing so any improvements would amaze me.

That's how i feel about it too, back here in Earth ;-)

[Meryem Ersoz]

That's funny, it's the futuristic sci fi posts like these that bring me back to this thread. Plus, I learned a new word. I don't think I understand it yet:clown2: , but I learned it.

Cool!

[Eki Halkka]

That's funny, it's the futuristic sci fi posts like these that bring me back to this thread.

Cameras like the one i described are not necessarily that far in the future.

If this stuff follows Moore's law, 100 time improvement compared to current technology would only take about 10 years or so. Remember it's just roughly 10 years since all digital cameras were SD - RED ONE pushes dozens of times more image data through the pipeline.

And it doesn't need to be 100 times better to be better...

Even RED ONE can be used in the way i described, if you skip the plenoptic part.

When shooting 2K at 1/120s. 120 fps, it should be possible to conform the footage to different frame rates and shutter speeds without visible artifacts (i.e. for 1/40 sec 24fps footage one would combine 3 frames, throw away 2). Combining the image from three frames should also improve signal to noise ratio (usable dynamic range) by more than one stop.

As far as plenoptic cameras go, they already exist.

http://www-graphics.stanford.edu/papers/lfcamera/

http://www-graphics.stanford.edu/papers/lfcamera/images/group/mark2.jpghttp://www-graphics.stanford.edu/papers/lfcamera/images/group/jacquie2.jpg

Be sure to check the video, it explains the technology with great examples:
http://www-graphics.stanford.edu/papers/lfcamera/lfcamera.avi

[Roberto Lequeux]

Wildest expectations for me:

A. Still $3,000
B. A full stop of DNR more than R1
C. A full stop more sensitive than the 2/3" mode of R1
D. The same zoom range on the built in lens but 2.4f

E. Any three of these!

THAT'S W-I-L-D!

[Raul Gonzo]

Less than $3k would be a surprise

[mikeburton]

How about this for a "wildest speculation":

Red has made a breakthrough in sensor technology - a very, very fast high resolution plenoptic sensor, and a similar breakthrough in compression technology.

(in case you don't know what plenoptic means, read this)
http://www-bcs.mit.edu/people/jyawang/demos/plenoptic/plenoptic.html

The pocket-sized camera is able to shoot 8K plenoptic video at very high frame rates under normal lighting conditions and compress them to a manageable size. The sensor sensitivity, speed and compression efficiency have all been improved by a factor of 100 or so. The footage will be always shot at, say, 2400 frames a second.

What would this mean in practice??

1. Shooting plenoptic means the footage is instantly 3D compatible, with single camera, single lens.

2. A high resolution depth matte can be extracted from the image by computing the differences of the view points. No more greenscreen...

3. The camera's focus point and depth of field characteristics can be determined in post

3b. In the future there will be software that will generate 3D mesh from the footage, even if it's just one frame, as well as extract camera's path as 3D motion, but the rumor is that this may be done by a 3rd party ;-)

4. Shooting at 2400 fps means footage can be conformed to any normal playback frame rate in post.

5. It also means the shutter speed can be determined in post by combining individual frames (i.e. 1/48 at 24 fps would mean combining 50 frames together, then throwing away 50 frames, rinse and repeat).

6. As a side effect, the camera would be a HDR camera - the exposure would be created from 50 combined normal dynamic range frames, which in practice means roughly 6 extra stops of latitude.

7. A "minor" side effect would be awesome slow motion footage (when giving away extra dynamic range etc.), up to 1% speed.

8. Of course creating speed ramps in post is also a non-issue.
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I don't care what anyone says, this is the camera of my dreams! I have heard of plenoptic sensor technology before briefly and although its still a ways off, those features would be mystical. Imagine the control you would have in post. Oh, i accidently missed focus...no problem, we will bring it back in post. Forget 3d tracking apps, DOF, DR, and Phantom cameras. Maybe this is dreaming but i think this technology IS doable, maybe just not right now. But why shun it when its demand that drives the forward thinking and innovation?
Anyhow, looking forward to your announcement on the 13th Jim, even if it doesn't include z-depth and 2000fps :-)

[Eki Halkka]

I have heard of plenoptic sensor technology before briefly and although its still a ways off, those features would be mystical.

It IS doable, NOW. Already done. Plenoptic cameras, and the software to do all i described exist today. See my last post on the previous page for links - especially watch the linked video, it's mindblowing.


Maybe this is dreaming but i think this technology IS doable, maybe just not right now.

What's NOT here yet, is high resolution, high speed moving images capturing, humanly sized affordable plenoptic cameras. All these features DO exist - just not combined to one camera ;-)

[Eki Halkka]

Oh, i forgot to mention

11. The ability to do "Hitchkock zooms" (zoom in, track out) in post, to some extent.

[Gregory Karydis]

Uhm...
So Halsu you say 2400fps at 8K right?
The RED One does 24fps at 4K and given the current 8GB cards can hold about 4 minutes at 24fps that's 5760 frames to fill the 8 GIG card.
With what you are speculating, that should be barely enough for a little over 2 seconds if it were 2400fps at 4K
But since you want 8K, that should be down to 1/4thso you'd be lucky to record half a second on 200$ worth of storage.
And on top of that you want the camera to retail less than 1K$ or as much as it would cost you to buy 2.5 seconds worth of storage...

Still, I like the way you are thinking :)

Jim, what can I cay.
I'm waiting credit card in hand.
So existing RED One owners get first dibs on Epic and Scarlet or just Epic?

[Eki Halkka]

And on top of that you want the camera to retail less than 1K$ or as much as it would cost you to buy 2.5 seconds worth of storage...

No, no, the beauty is that they've of course found a new compression algorithm that will fit hours of that data to a cheap 8GB SD card, visually lossless.

;-)

[aombk]

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/25456/2008ro.jpg

[SalaTar]

A taste...seems all we get from RED is beta taste (and 90% a bad taste)
Does Red actually realize how much of a joke they are at this time?

[Steve Lewis]

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/25456/2008ro.jpg

Greatest film ever made!

[Benni Diez]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/12229_1225513425.jpg
It is wonderful.

[Steve Lewis]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/12229_1225513425.jpg
It is wonderful.

I see what you did there... :biggrin:

[10s]

Jim, it's Halloween, you have to give us a few more hints.... it's the rules, you know what I'm talking about... we get a treat or we'll be forced into playing tricks.

Sorry, I wish it could be some other way, but rules are rules!

[Robert Berger]

Cameras like the one i described are not necessarily that far in the future.

If this stuff follows Moore's law, 100 time improvement compared to current technology would only take about 10 years or so. Remember it's just roughly 10 years since all digital cameras were SD - RED ONE pushes dozens of times more image data through the pipeline.

And it doesn't need to be 100 times better to be better...

Even RED ONE can be used in the way i described, if you skip the plenoptic part.

When shooting 2K at 1/120s. 120 fps, it should be possible to conform the footage to different frame rates and shutter speeds without visible artifacts (i.e. for 1/40 sec 24fps footage one would combine 3 frames, throw away 2). Combining the image from three frames should also improve signal to noise ratio (usable dynamic range) by more than one stop.

As far as plenoptic cameras go, they already exist.

http://www-graphics.stanford.edu/papers/lfcamera/

http://www-graphics.stanford.edu/papers/lfcamera/images/group/mark2.jpghttp://www-graphics.stanford.edu/papers/lfcamera/images/group/jacquie2.jpg

Be sure to check the video, it explains the technology with great examples:
http://www-graphics.stanford.edu/papers/lfcamera/lfcamera.avi

How wants to be the man/woman to refoccus a 90 min feature movie and who wants to be the cameraman tto let them do this?? with his shots??
Not me!! Its nice for foto's to fix your msitakes, but in a movie a different focus gives a different emotion and i love to keep that in my own hands. Robert

[Tico Llaurador]

November 13th cannot come soon enough, let alone the delivery date.

To me, that's the only certainty at play in here.

:waaa:

[Eki Halkka]

How wants to be the man/woman to refoccus a 90 min feature movie and who wants to be the cameraman tto let them do this?? with his shots??

To me that feels a bit silly... as if having more controll was a bad thing.

Every cameraman with any smarts should do it, if it was possible. One less thing to worry about on the set. Less takes, more finished footage each day. The take where the actors are at their best could be used a bit more often.

And just like photographers now participate in color correction sessions during post production, they could participate in a focusing session in the future if they feel the need.

It's the same as if you didn't want to shoot RAW, because you want to control the image's tonal range on the shoot.

[FMG battery]

Less than $3k would be a surprisefor epic?.. ehehehehe

[Benni Diez]

I want it to greet me when it boots up, like HAL!

[mikeburton]

To me that feels a bit silly... as if having more controll was a bad thing.

Every cameraman with any smarts should do it, if it was possible. One less thing to worry about on the set. Less takes, more finished footage each day. The take where the actors are at their best could be used a bit more often.

And just like photographers now participate in color correction sessions during post production, they could participate in a focusing session in the future if they feel the need.

It's the same as if you didn't want to shoot RAW, because you want to control the image's tonal range on the shoot.

Yup! Exactly. Your images are already being tweaked in post more than ever. Why not have that much more control? Sorry, but progressive thinking doesn't say (for example) I don't need or want a 4k digital motion picture camera which was unheard of 5 years ago cause I have this really cool XL2. A good 1st will nail focus so we will throw that argument out the window for a moment but wouldn't it be nice to be able to turn that shot into a rack focus or be able to incorporate VFX immediately on set so everyone could truely visualize that action scene? Or to be able to move on to the next shot quicker not having to worry about that green screen being evenly lit cause guess what...no greenscreen will be necessary! Call me crazy but this will be the camera of the future! There are already guys who have created cameras that motion track backgrounds and key greencreen on the fly. They seem a bit clumsy but are a step in the right direction.

[aombk]

HAL9000 did more than that.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/25456/2008ro2_.jpg

[Duncan Thompson]

Insane speculation is a formidable contribution to the imaginative processes of R&D. If this madness is an accident, then it's a valuable one. If it's a result of intention then RED are geniuses. Keep up the madness...and the rationality...and the wide-cast net of contribution. Imagination. Speculation. Even when verging on the ridiculous or extreme, it is potent food for what IS possible. I'm sure this forum has pushed the boundaries of RED's imagination and design of current products. The insane stuff stretches the boundaries of the sane stuff. Every company would be smart to have such a website. Sorry Dave.
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HAL

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[Michael "Dorkman" Scott]

Insane speculation is a formidable contribution to the imaginative processes of R&D. If this madness is an accident, then it's a valuable one.
Heh, I wonder how many times this conversation has gone on:

Jim: "Did you see this crazy feature request? These people need to get in touch with reality."

Graeme: "Actually, that one's totally possible."

Jim: "...really?"

Graeme: "It'd take a little work, but the technology is...uh...already...I'm going to have to cancel my vacation, aren't I?"

[Roberto Lequeux]

graeme: "it'd take a little work, but the technology is...uh...already...i'm going to have to cancel my vacation, aren't i?"

hahahaah!!!

[Weston Ford]

If you chose to make your plenoptically shot video 3d i would think you would want to keep it all in focus. That way the human eyes watching get to choose what is in focus and what is out of focus.

I know plenoptic cameras are here now...but aren't there still problems with resolution? I thought that since the sensor was taking in all the light in a 4d space they had less resolution left per area of focus. Maybe 8k would take care of that...i dont know.

[aombk]

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/25456/2008ro3_.jpg

[Eki Halkka]

I know plenoptic cameras are here now...but aren't there still problems with resolution?

Multiple "viewpoints" are stored at the same time - which means multiple pixels are needed to store what will become one pixel in the resulting image.

As a wild guess, a plenoptic camera with 8K sensor would output at around 0,5K for final images, based on the video i linked to earlier (the "plenoptic cluster" seems to be about 20X20 pixels).

To get 8K final output... the sensor would need to have an unspeakable amount of resolution to start with.

I suppose it's a tradeoff between accuracy and resolution. The bigger the pixel cluster, the better quality - but visually similar results could probably be achievable with lower pixel counts and some smart interpolation algorithms.

[firstsingle]

Waiting hurts soo good.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Wildest expectations for me:

A. Still $3,000
B. A full stop of DNR more than R1
C. A full stop more sensitive than the 2/3" mode of R1
D. The same zoom range on the built in lens but 2.4f

E. Any three of these!

THAT'S W-I-L-D!

You know what, on a serious note... any TWO of these would be an accurate measure of "wildest expectations" IMHO.

And I'd take A and C. :innocent:

[Glenn Dreher]

Sounds like a RedUser if you ask me. ;) look forward to the announcement Jim.

Dude, quit wearing your politics on your shirtsleeve and respect this forum for what it was intended.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Dude, quit wearing your politics on your shirtsleeve and respect this forum for what it was intended.

he did have a ;) there... am I missing something or did you miss that smiley?