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Álex Montoya
04-29-2007, 01:28 AM
Will the RED be marked with some sort of serial number to avoid theft?
The best option would probably be to include some sort of engraved and unerasable production number in every sensor.
Are there any plans of doing so?

Jannard
04-29-2007, 01:30 AM
sure...

Jim

Álex Montoya
04-29-2007, 01:30 AM
And so the thread ends.

PaulClements
04-29-2007, 04:46 AM
What about fitting it with a GPS tracker Jim? :)

PaulClements
04-29-2007, 04:53 AM
Falcom (http://www.falcom.de/?id=220&uid=65) is a company that makes OEM products for GPS tracking. Their Mambo flyer (http://www.texim-europe.com/promotion/42/mambo_flyer.pdf) is an example of the kind of products they make. Would be interesting if it was an option for the camera and I'd certainly pay $500 to have something internally fitted, you'd probably save that on the first years insurance anyway.

Clayton Harper
04-29-2007, 05:29 AM
Rf Id.

Greg M
04-29-2007, 07:27 AM
How about locking your door.

or better yet, cover it with a blanket... like the photographers did in the early days of cinema to hide their cameras from the private security employed by Thomas Edison seeking imported cameras that infringed on his copyrights.

Andrew M.
04-29-2007, 07:35 AM
We put boomerang on our larger equipment.
http://www.boomerangtracking.com/index.aspx
Few years ago when our generator was stolen (large power failure in North East)
We recovered it from the farmer that he was wary that his cows will starve to death on his farm. We never sue the farmer though.

Rob Lohman
04-29-2007, 11:52 PM
Lock the door + insure your equipment (not just for when stuff gets stolen, also when you drop it etc.)

martinnoweck
04-30-2007, 04:27 AM
Do you pay less insurance when your equipment is provided with a GPS tracker?

Martin

Andrew M.
04-30-2007, 06:34 AM
Sure, up to 20% less.

Now you can get very small GPS + cell phone tower identifier.
If it can’t get fix from GPS then it will give you closest tower long/lat.
Put it inside the camera and as long as there is a power on the camera it will transmit its coordinates. Some have internal small battery that will transmit for minimum 24h or more even when power is cut off.
http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/worldtrack-small-covert-gps-tracking.html
http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/sendumgpspackagetrackerpt200.html
http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/minigpstrackingdevice-wtgprs.html

If you don't want to pay $$/month for real time tracking here is $8/month (only when you need it)
self tracking service. They will not delete your account for the months you are not using it.
http://www.accutracking.com/

Greg M
04-30-2007, 07:03 AM
Most GPS solutions are more hype than help.

1. GPS needs a line of sight to sats
2. too big to be hidden
3. battery life if very very short.

Insure your equipment....dont waste money on these solutions.

Andrew M.
04-30-2007, 07:20 AM
Most GPS solutions are more hype than help.

1. GPS needs a line of sight to sats
2. too big to be hidden
3. battery life if very very short.

Insure your equipment....dont waste money on these solutions.

Did you ever use one?
We do use few right now.
I just posted links to the one of many, the solution that we use.
>1. GPS needs a line of sight to sats
Wrong, now there is North America tower Latitude/longitude system that you can access database of all the cell towers and it will identify the tower location of the device being tracked. Also GPS can work together with the tower to get the GPS fix based on only one GPS satellite. Works in my basement.

>2. too big to be hidden
Hmmm…. 2 X 1 X .5 fits in our cameras.

>3. battery life if very very short.
Small one 17 hours bit bigger 21 days. If someone will put the battery on the camera just for one hour it will recharge itself.
Also it stores in the memory last 100+ lat/long fixes so you know the history once it comes live again, plus you get current lat/long fix.

Believe me you get you camera back faster then you think.
We do it not so much because we wary about camera itself, but sometimes camera could be gone with the footage that you can’t get again.

sander kamp
04-30-2007, 10:42 AM
Insurance will most likely not cover the loss of income when your RED is stolen, and considering it might take a long time before you get a new one...

Andrew, are you saying you put the GPS tracker inside the camera? Doesn't it interfere with the camera's electronics? And I wonder if there would be space inside the RED.

Living in Bangkok I am very interested in such a solution, you never know what happens here.

Andrew M.
04-30-2007, 11:41 AM
There is plenty of space in the cameras for it and we wire it in such a way that it doesn’t transmit when camera is ON. I don’t want to elaborate where we are placing it but close to the power source……
One disadvantage of these gizmos is that if you do not have the cellular network coverage it will not communicate but it will collect the data (time, latitude, longitude, speed and direction) and store it in its memory.
Once it will get in to the range of any cell tower, it will upload immediately the whole content of the buffer so you know where it was and where it is at this moment.
Even if you loose it again, usually you can figure out the place where it was stored before and find the people that stole the camera. If you are only after the footage and let them keep the camera you probably get the tapes back very soon, otherwise you wait for more fixes and go there with the police. Never go there alone, you can get in too big trouble.
We lost once camera in the airport, and we found it in Germany. It was not stolen though, just misplaced. So far we got only our generator back that was stolen.
Also don’t mark camera in any way indicating that any antitheft mechanism is used.
http://www.accutracking.com/demo.php

sander kamp
04-30-2007, 01:15 PM
Sounds good and I am definitely going to try something like that. The scariest thing must be opening my newly acquired RED, hopefully by the time I get mine someone else has done that.

Thom Steinhoff
04-30-2007, 02:40 PM
This would be a great option if purchased directly from Red. I would hate to be on the phone with Red trying to explain why their warranty should cover a GPS installer accidently frying my camera.

Andrew M.
04-30-2007, 04:14 PM
This would be a great option if purchased directly from Red. I would hate to be on the phone with Red trying to explain why their warranty should cover a GPS installer accidently frying my camera.

Don't have to install it this way.
Read my post more carefully so you will see how to do it so no warranty will be voided.