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roryhinds
04-29-2007, 03:57 PM
Anyone know how many RED Motors the RED ONE can drive?
I'm assuming 3 for the:
Iris
Focus
Zoom
I Know these are still in development but does anyone know if they will be ready when the camera ships?
Thanks
Rory
PaulClements
04-29-2007, 04:13 PM
Yeah I'm pretty sure I read it could handle 3 Rory. The button placement seems to indicate it too if I remember right.
The camera itself doesn't drive the motors. You have to use either the RED supergrip or the remote control system that we're developing. The supergrip can control two motors. I believe there's another thread that discusses many of the features of the supergrip.
PaulClements
04-29-2007, 04:19 PM
Sorry I was referring to the supergrip, and I thought it could do 3... my bad.
roryhinds
04-29-2007, 04:24 PM
Hi Curt
How is development of the Remote coming on? Do you guys have a timeframe we can work to?
Can't wait to see what your cooking on the remote and mattebox :-)
Regards
Rory
No problem Paul. The grip has three axis select buttons... it can control three motors but only one can be operated at a time - unless you get some sort of mega supergrip that controls two simultaneously :) Rory: Our remote should be available around August. Pricing should be around $1200 or less.
roryhinds
04-29-2007, 04:30 PM
Brilliant Curt.. we do I send the cash :-)
I'm really needing to sort Focus out on my RED, like everyone else. I'm sure your remote will be in much demand.
Can I get on the reservation list?
Will get a VF Mattebox too :-)
Hehe.. Well,we will post info when we are ready to accept orders. We're very excited to be involved with RED and want to get as much user feedback on the remote as possible before we get into the next stage of development. I'll start another thread shortly to get everyones input to the design. We should have a reservations page up on the viewfactor website in the next few weeks.
Matthew Rogers
04-29-2007, 07:18 PM
No problem Paul. The grip has three axis select buttons... it can control three motors but only one can be operated at a time - unless you get some sort of mega supergrip that controls two simultaneously :) Rory: Our remote should be available around August. Pricing should be around $1200 or less.
So basically, this thing is the controls for a studio config camera? Does the $1200 include any of the motors? (I'm guessing it doesn't) For some reason I have missed all posts about the supergrip...
Matthew
ericyoung
04-30-2007, 04:58 AM
No problem Paul. The grip has three axis select buttons... it can control three motors but only one can be operated at a time - unless you get some sort of mega supergrip that controls two simultaneously :) Rory: Our remote should be available around August. Pricing should be around $1200 or less.
Hi Curt
Is there absolutely no way of making your remote operate two motors at the same time? One is great, but being able to control iris as well as focus simultaneously is not uncommon.
Having said that they are usually operated by two different people - does your remote allow two remotes to be used simultaneously with say the AC pulling focus and the DOP operating iris?
Andrew M.
04-30-2007, 06:24 AM
Someone from RED team mentioned that super grip can handle two motors at the same time and you can switch to the third one by selecting it, or I am mixing it up with Curt controller?
Priyesh P.
04-30-2007, 07:16 AM
I heard that you can actually only connect 2 motors to the grip.
You can connect three motors to the supergrip but only control one with the joystick button. To control a specific motor you have to switch to it by pressing one of the three axis buttons at the top of the supergrip. Once you have selected the axis then the joystick will control the motor you selected.
Hi Curt
Is there absolutely no way of making your remote operate two motors at the same time? One is great, but being able to control iris as well as focus simultaneously is not uncommon.
Having said that they are usually operated by two different people - does your remote allow two remotes to be used simultaneously with say the AC pulling focus and the DOP operating iris? Our remote will be able to operate all three motors simultaneously. We will most likely make a single axis control that costs less than the full three motor remote that you can hand off to the DOP. For my reference.... when the DOP is controlling the Iris is it just a point to point move? If so that could be handled with the press of a button on the three axis remote.
Priyesh P.
04-30-2007, 08:50 AM
when the DOP is controlling the Iris is it just a point to point move?
I think that varies.
Some Dops are nit-picky about iris pulls and want to have total control.
But in a lot of cases a simple point to point move will work ok.
Ok, so we're going to have several presets that will allow you to save motor positions much like stations on your car radio. You hit a button and it will goto a predefined position with a given speed and ease in/out. We'll assume that another simplified remote will be needed for single axis control. That should be easy enough.
Finner
04-30-2007, 09:08 AM
For my reference.... when the DOP is controlling the Iris is it just a point to point move?
I am not quite sure what you mean by this Curt. To explain most often when the DOP likes control of the IRIS is when you are outside, the light is changeing a little from some clouds and the camera is on a crane or you are on a camera car. These are the times when the DOP would have to slightly ride the iris durring the shot or yell out the stop and some do not like to yell (others seem to like to yell all day long :biggrin: ). I have seen one remote ff system that was modular enough that it was built in 3 seperate parts focus/ zoom and iris, You could attatch all of them together and run off 1 battery or take them all appart and run off of a battery each. I was a day call b-camera operator on the commercial and because we were busy and the system was being used by the A camera I did not get a good look at it and can't remember the brand name. This kind of system may be a bit overkill though and what may be simpler is just to have 2 full controlers with the ability to turn on and off each feature on each controler. As I could see the DOP holding a controler to set stop and hand it over to the director if there was plands to do a zoom durring the shot.
If so that could be handled with the press of a button on the three axis remote.
Not sure what this meant. Do you mean just a on off switch for each feature like I mentioned above?
Also as far as batteries go the rechargable RC car and plane batteries seem to last a long time, recharge fairly fast and in a pinch if it is based off a common RC battery you can buy one in most any city. Is this what you had thought of for the controllers battery?
Well, the RED motors operate in two modes. One mode is for real time jogging - you can turn the knob/slider on the remote and the motor moves exactly the same as the knob. The other mode is a goto position mode - so you can have a preset for a certain iris value and tell the iris motor to goto that exact value with the press of a button. These motors don't just index like a security camera, they have motion profiles built in that ensure that the movement looks fluid and smooth.
If the DOP likes to ride the iris then I think the goto position mode wouldn't necessarily be used and that a separate remote would be required. We'll have the functionality there regardless and We could easily make it so you can have two remotes operate different axis.
Finner
04-30-2007, 09:22 AM
We'll assume that another simplified remote will be needed for single axis control. That should be easy enough.
You would know better then I, but I would think this may just increase the overall cost. Personally if I felt I needed a seperate iris function I would much rather have a whole second controller with on off switches for iris/focus/zoom. This way if one part went bad on one controller you have a second full featured control right there. If the full featured controller was $10,000 and just a iris one was $4,000 seperate controlers would be a nice option but at your price point I think more then 99% of people would just rather have 2 full controllers.
Finner
04-30-2007, 09:25 AM
These motors don't just index like a security camera, they have motion profiles built in that ensure that the movement looks fluid and smooth.
Wow, this feature will be great for zooms!
Well, there are a few more features that we have up our sleeves that I think people will like. We're saving those for the demo footage :)
Indie filmmaker
04-30-2007, 09:34 AM
Hay Curt, Do you know if Red will be offering any menue and operation training classes anywhere near Florida for A.C's?
You'd have to ask them. Since we (VFS) are making the remote we would probably be the ones to cover training for it. One thing that we are good at is making things simple so I expect that the remote will require little if any training.
roryhinds
04-30-2007, 11:19 AM
Hi Curt
Have you seen the Chrosziel Aladin system, looks to be very modular although I have never used one.
BTW were can we sign up to get an update when reservations open?
Or should we just keep checking your site?
Regards
Rory
Yes, I've seen the Alladin... its very nice but very $$$. We'll try and make ours as modular as possible time permitting. We'll have updates on our website and will have a ordering system up in a couple weeks. In the meantime I'll continue to post updates here on reduser.