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Martin Weiss
11-07-2008, 01:57 AM
Last Thursday I took a drive to the airport to pick up our camera directly from the friendly FedEx crew. Back home two hours later, I genuinly enjoyed putting together all the bits and pieces. No mentionable problems there. Love the fact that RED uses paper, not plastics for wrapping. Very green & cool.
http://abitofmagic.no/reduser/3971_1.jpg
Am again surprised at the high built quality of everything. Solid feel, not too heavy (maybe going to the gym in preparation for delivery has helped, too).

Because of the sudden rise of the dollar, we had to slim down our package, one of the things that went out was the ET Arri base plate. Having read about the wobblyness of the shoulder dovetail, I was very happily surprized at just how steady it did connect the camera to our Sachtler Video 20 III head. As a light-weight setup, I would see no problems using this on paid work.
http://abitofmagic.no/reduser/3971_2.jpg
The 7" Pro LCD (the only thing I have splashed out on -- besides the camera) is gorgeous, lightweight - and I love the ability to be able to control camera functions from it. Would love the function to re-assign the two brightness buttons to something more usable. Some banding, but I can live with that.
http://abitofmagic.no/reduser/3971_3.jpg
(In the background you see our kidīs previous-day construction.)

Since Birger turned out not deliver on his promise, I am glad to have ordered the Nikon mount. This came not installed, but thanks to Douglasī youTube video, installation was a breeze (one of the many benefits of having kids is ready availability of balloons; and yes, I did use a red one). The only change is that now you have to unplug the i-cable connector.

Besides my lovely set of Contax Zeiss primes, that I cannot yet use, I have a cheap, old, dusty, crappy, plasticy Nikon zoom with stuck aperture blades. But heck, I could throw it on. Did a few pans around the room, and could already enjoy just how better the camera handled the hightlights and contrasts than any camera I could afford before. Would love the option to have the histogram displayed while changing the shutter angle.

By now it was Time For Some Sleep.

Next day in the office I updated to Build 17. Turns out you need a magazine to do that. Luckily an hour later the friendly postman dropped by with 4 8gig cards from Lexar. On the first attempt at updating I got the rocketio error. Remembering that this might be connected to the CF module (all the hours on reduser were not wasted), I took out the CF card and re-insterted it. Now it worked. Bootup is 10 seconds faster than on build 16. LOVE the 1:1 zoom function. Occasionally, when switching modes, the screen turns black.

When I tried the black shading, the camera just eternally displayed the Matrix screen (nice touch, btw) until the battery died half an hour later. Through trial-and-error I found out that you have to format the magazine at first. Suggestion for build 17 release: before black-shading, check that the magazine is formatted. Even better: when an unformatted magazine is inserted, give automatically the option to format it right away - heck, I would love the option of automatically formatting whenever the magazine is empty. (I know I will get scolded for this suggestion...) Another suggestion: in the maintenance menu, display the date/time of the currently used black shading functions.

The same postman also brought an adapter cable that allowed me to hook up the camera to one of our 24" dell editing screens. Not perfect colours, but great for the director.


Finally I could do some recordings. Even with my crap lens, the picture quality is just light-years ahead of what similarly priced cameras can deliver. I am soooo thankful that we could skip the HDV crap.

When we went from a small miniDV camera to a fullsize DVcam camera, that step was evolutionary. Two years back I thought the next evolutionary step would be an HD camera. Then I heard about RED. First it sounded too good to be true. Glad it wasnīt. Very, very, very glad.

This camera loves power. The electrical one. It sucks a battery that wouldīve lasted half a shooting day on the DSR570 empty within an hour. So I ordered some more batteries.

Also ordered a 2.8ghz MacBook Pro, but that will take 2 weeks. Anecdotal evidence proved that a MacBook air is not suitable for field-use :o)

Well, that wraps up my first and second impressions of this ***-kicking camera. Thanks for reading.

Martin



Some thanks:

Jim - for making his vision a reality. It really shows that this camera was not made by a company whose goal is to make a profit, and does so by making good cameras. RED is about making awesome cameras and then (and only then) turning it into a profitable business. And having fun along the way.

Redheads - everyone at RED for building this revolutionary (pronounced "badass" in Jarredian) camera. I donīt know you, but I command you! Thank thee! Keep it up.

Jarred - for Reduser. Without it I would not only be flabbergasted, but wouldnīt have met all the people I already have. Thanks to everyone participating on this forum.

Justin J. - for keeping up with my "occasionally" changing order. Thanks for all your help.

Douglas Underdahl - for (still) being the only one that actually delivers an alternative, non-warranty-voiding mount. Douglas went further out of his way and sent me a GDX (sp?) mount without before I sent him mine, thus avoiding my camera sitting around for 2 weeks. His mount arrived today, installation was a breeze and the original mount is sent off today.

Brandon - for jumping to my rescue and sending me his better Nikon lens. Arrived yesterday and our RED rocks even more. I can only imagine what it will be like with the Contax lenses.

Gunleik - for letting me play with his RED and thus sealing my fate. We reserved our camera a few days later. Enthusiasm does rub off.

Are - for tipping me off about the contact at FedEx that not only sped up the import (all paperwork was done and all fees paid while the camera was still in transit) but allowed me to pick up the camera from the airport, thus giving me a whole weekend to play with the camera.

Hunter - for making this light-weight solution for the battery. I finally can put it to use :o)

Sidney L. Plaut
11-07-2008, 02:04 AM
Martin did you pay toll?,

I talked to fedex here in Denmark, and they said my camera would be "tolled",

I explained that it was not a video camera, but a digital camera. but the accessories i am unsure as to label them - "IT tilbehør"?

maybe you know since you just received yours?

best,

Sidney

Pawel Achtel
11-07-2008, 02:08 AM
Great story, Martin. And thanks for sharing. You have an early Christmas by the looks of things. Enjoy it!

Thomas Dobbie
11-07-2008, 02:25 AM
Congratulations Martin,better get used to not having too much sleep for a while,late nights with Red Cine & FCP.
I hadn't actually physically seen a camera before ours arrived,and I too was surprised at the size and weight,especially after DV.
I know what you mean about the dollar,our second camera is ready to ship,but I think we might delay for a while,the exchange rate is such shit at the moment.
Tom.

Martin Weiss
11-07-2008, 02:29 AM
Sidney,

I only had to pay VAT ("moms"/"mva"; which is 25% of the total amount, but as a registered business you will get that back again) and a handling fee of about 1.500NOK, but no import duties ("toll"). The guy I talked to at FedEx actually said that they have seen an increase in packages arriving from Red.com.

I was prepared that I might have to argue to undergo import duties, but the FedEx guy already knew the proper tariff codes.

If they do want to charge duties and not just VAT from you, look one of the threads here on Reduser dealing with that. Here is a starting point: http://www.google.no/search?hl=no&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=hWO&q=site%3Awww.reduser.net+reduser+european&btnG=S%C3%B8k&meta=

Martin Weiss
11-07-2008, 02:30 AM
Great story, Martin. And thanks for sharing. You have an early Christmas by the looks of things. Enjoy it!
Oh yes, I am still radiating/smiling. Havenīt looked forward to something like that since my childhood christmas days.

Sidney L. Plaut
11-07-2008, 03:01 AM
Martin,

Thank you for the info.

VAT is not an issue as i am a registered importer. else ofcourse i would just get it refunded.

Toll - Can you see from your fedex papers what numbers they used for the accessories - the body i assume is "digital camera" which has 0% toll.

really appreciate this Martin:)

best,

sidney

David Birdy
11-07-2008, 03:44 AM
Great Post Martin!

Start rolling on those Noway videos !!


Cheers
Dave

Martin Weiss
11-07-2008, 03:46 AM
Sidney,

Just sent you a PM.

Good luck!

Sanjin Jukic
11-07-2008, 06:51 AM
Congratulation Martin.

Your new life starts now.

hunterrichards
11-07-2008, 11:33 AM
Enjoy it.

Marco Montenegro
11-07-2008, 11:43 AM
Martin! Congrats on getting your camera, its always good to bring sunshine and cheer to RED OWNERS! Hope we get to see some footage soon!
Take care,
Polo

Eirik Tyrihjel
11-07-2008, 05:14 PM
Martin welcome to the club, seeing the pictures of the FedEx terminal at Oslo Airport Gardermoen sure brings back memories - I picked up the first RED delivered in Norway at the exact same spot friday Februar 1st this year... what a day... ;-)

(This forum didnīt have an "unboxing" section back then, so I feel it is only appripriate to sneak in my '1st day pictures here)

Tony Lorentzen
11-08-2008, 09:47 AM
Sidney - I ended up having to pay around 16.000 danish kroners in customs tax (told) for my RED with accessories.

Sidney L. Plaut
11-08-2008, 12:07 PM
Tony,

my friend just got it through costums duty free, here in denmark. talked to a rental house they also got it duty free.

... apparantly it matters what you say:)

JanneJansson
11-08-2008, 12:15 PM
It matters what you are using the equipment for. If your primary purpose is still photo, like time-lapse. Then the camera IS a still photo camera, and also/probably duty free.

Cail Young
11-09-2008, 02:00 AM
Would love the option to have the histogram displayed while changing the shutter angle.

You can do this with the EVF control wheel or by assigning USER 1 and 2 to +Shutter and -Shutter.

Martin Weiss
11-20-2008, 06:12 PM
…just posted my first footage :)

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22534

(time to go to bed for me now...)

Tony Lorentzen
12-25-2008, 08:33 AM
Tony,

my friend just got it through costums duty free, here in denmark. talked to a rental house they also got it duty free.

... apparantly it matters what you say:)

I didn't say anything - FedEx automatically declared it for me. Are you sure they didn't get a follow-up letter from "Skat"? It took a couple of weeks before I got mine.

Christian Henricson
12-26-2008, 06:17 AM
Hi,

I'm also located in Denmark.

Could you guys who successfully imported the Red with Accessories please elaborate on how you did it?

An extra 16k dkr is a lot to consider.

Were you yourself registered importers and hereby able to declare the items yourselves?

sincerely,

Christian.

Tony Lorentzen
12-28-2008, 04:57 AM
You must have a company and be registered with Skat as an importer (which is no problem). The stuff is sent via FedEx and they will declare the stuff and let Skat know - and then they will sent you an invoice. The declarations are defined by the TARIC codes that are printed on the shipping notice from RED.

If you don't have a company then you will also have to pay 25% VAT (moms) on top of the import-tax.

Christian Henricson
12-28-2008, 06:09 AM
Ok, but I am worried about the Taric codes.

It seems there are several codes that can be used for this equipment. Did the 16.000 dkr you paied come as a result of correct use of Taric codes?

Or could you have payed less if other codes had been used?

Is it really a gamble to import a Red?

Also, if one is planning for a future swap for the Epix-X or for the upgrade - how will "Skat" deal with this? Any thoughts?

/ Christian.

Martin Weiss
12-28-2008, 08:28 AM
future swap for the Epix-X or for the upgrade - how will "Skat" deal with this? Any thoughts?
This should be pretty straight-forward. You would send the R1 to Red, declare it with a value as assigned by RED in due course. They send you a EpicX together with a commercial invoice for 10.500 USD. You pay VAT on that amount - and maybe some Custom duties on top of that.

Christian Henricson
12-28-2008, 11:37 AM
Got it, thanks.

But, regarding the by Red default Taric codes on the invoice - are they accepted by Customs, or do we experience different treatments?

Thanks in advance

Tony Lorentzen
12-28-2008, 03:29 PM
Just looked through the paperwork again... The camera body itself is sent with the "HS Code" 8525.80.5050 which isn't known by the TARIC system. 852580 (0%) is but the sub-code 5050 isn't. From what I can see Skat declared everything I received in the first shipment at around 16.000 dkk - but I have no way of knowing what parts were declared at what TARIC codes. Skat just sent me a reference number for the case and FedEx never sent me anything regarding the declaration. I'm assuming I could go through all of the paperwork and calculate my way through it, but life's just too damn short for something like that. Anyway - I'm pretty sure I have paid what I was supposed to.

matheus
05-25-2009, 11:02 AM
yeah....

JosephArthur
06-18-2009, 10:32 PM
Nice post thanks for that. Im still waiting for mine. :) till then i get #18

Martin Weiss
11-20-2009, 04:08 AM
Can't believe its already been a year. What a ride!

Again, thank you RED.

In that year both I and our camera have improved. Many good hours spent together. Not a single major issue (and the minor ones had little to do with the camera and lots with, err, me.) Good to see how I learned from the first test (http://vimeo.com/5139192) to my newest showreel (http://vimeo.com/7097391).

Then came the amazing news that I could trade in the camera for the next generation camera. And not only at a 50% value — which I would have thought to be extremely generous already — but at a whopping 100%. A while later Jim tops that offer: not only full value trade in, but a whole lotta goodies thrown in for free. Wow.

Thanks for the ride so far, here's to many more mesmerizing frames.

Roberto B
11-20-2009, 05:43 AM
can't wait to see your next post :001_rolleyes: