November 13th... [Archive]

Jannard

11-08-2008, 01:20 AM

I will be posting info for both EPIC and Scarlet here on "locked threads"... which means you will be locked out from responding. It allows me to make several posts, with pictures, and provide info in an orderly fashion.

Please begin your discussions of our announcements on the EPIC forum or Scarletuser.

Info will also be posted on www.red.com.

Thanks for your patience and support.

Jim

Simon Blackledge

11-08-2008, 01:21 AM

:) and the next day I get married! what a week! :))

Christian Berg

11-08-2008, 01:22 AM

Sounds good Jim! Looking forward.
/Christian

Alex.Mitchell

11-08-2008, 01:35 AM

5 days...

arun

11-08-2008, 01:48 AM

waiting frm long.......

Peter Karlsson

11-08-2008, 02:35 AM

Will the upgrade path for Red One also be revealed (Sensor replacement specs etc.)? Im 93,2% sure I will want to upgrade to Epic, but hey who knows?

Martin Weiss

11-08-2008, 02:43 AM

Cool - at which time of the day shall we start pushing the refresh button?

How come that Epic gets filed under scarletuser?

Have an exciting weekend!

Pawel Achtel

11-08-2008, 02:51 AM

How come that Epic gets filed under scarletuser?

Martin, Epic at Epic FORUM and Scarlet at scarletuser, not Epic at scarletuser :wink:

Exciting!

Chris Parker

11-08-2008, 05:54 AM

anyone else notice the exact time of jim's post? coincidence...i think not.

go jim.

bring it on.

JD Holloway

11-08-2008, 06:06 AM

Any chance of an add-on RAM module for high-speed work, pre-processing, right off the chip at max clockspeed...in liquid nitrogen...black silicon...

Luis Cabrera

11-08-2008, 06:09 AM

Cool!!!

Fulgencio

11-08-2008, 06:47 AM

Glad to hear that!
Sometimes it´s hard to follow your comunications when they are placed between hundres of replies
The 13th is going to be a busy day for this web

Joseph Ward

11-08-2008, 06:50 AM

Fulgencio

11-08-2008, 07:00 AM

BTW...DSMC is IMHO a USA & UK, but not EU or FIFA, and of course no longer CCCP word for saying TUTTI-FRUTTI
No LOL ..check FAQ
Thx

Gert-Jan

11-08-2008, 08:11 AM

DSMC = Digital Soccer Mom Camera right?

Mark L. Pederson

11-08-2008, 08:12 AM

anybody .... excited ...?

Gert-Jan

11-08-2008, 08:14 AM

anybody .... excited ...?

Should be for you. If you plan to buy 10 Epics they should be worth it right?

Jaime Vallés

11-08-2008, 08:19 AM

It's a good idea to post the info in locked threads, so we don't have to sift through hundreds of pages to get to the good stuff.

Just to be clear, the info for Scarlet will be posted in the Recon section of REDuser? Or will you make a locked thread over at ScarletUser as well?

Can't wait!

Mark L. Pederson

11-08-2008, 08:28 AM

. If you plan to buy 10 Epics they should be worth it right?

More than 10.

Steve Gibby

11-08-2008, 08:36 AM

Only "more than 10" Epics? Ya wimp! :biggrin:

Seriously, my proof of concept stage was obviously over early on too. This time around, with the multiple Epic and Scarlet cameras I buy, it will be to have my crews "head right out and get mind-boggling images".

Gonna be fun...

Simon Blackledge

11-08-2008, 08:41 AM

you'll need more than 10 for a full 360 degree rig ;)

Mark L. Pederson

11-08-2008, 08:45 AM

you'll need more than 10 for a full 360 degree rig ;)

3 of ours are being sub-rented for a shoot with 55 Red Ones on Nov. 14th.

Yes .. 55 REDs.

Gert-Jan

11-08-2008, 08:52 AM

3 of ours are being sub-rented for a shoot with 55 Red Ones on Nov. 14th.

Yes .. 55 REDs.

Nov. 14th you say? And you seriously think that still want to use Red Ones for that shoot after that Epic is announced and you know that it is going to so much better with Epic? :)

Mark L. Pederson

11-08-2008, 08:53 AM

Nov. 14th you say? And you seriously think that still want to use Red Ones for that shoot after that Epic is announced and you know that it is going to so much better with Epic? :)

Well ... you can't shoot with an Epic in November 14th now can you?

Gert-Jan

11-08-2008, 08:54 AM

Well ... you can't shoot with an Epic in November 14th now can you?

Not me, no. But you know, I think you have a bigger chance, since you were also the first one to get the 18-85 Pro lens.

Simon Blackledge

11-08-2008, 08:57 AM

Fifty Five!!.. lol.. madness!..

Benni Diez

11-08-2008, 08:59 AM

Now try that with 35mm cams...

Michele Gavazzeni

11-08-2008, 09:03 AM

What are thay going to shoot with 55 cameras? are all this REDs supposed to be recording at the same time?

number6

11-08-2008, 09:04 AM

3 of ours are being sub-rented for a shoot with 55 Red Ones on Nov. 14th.

Yes .. 55 REDs.

Is there a meteor headed for earth?.... Oh, maybe a Miss World pageant or something where every hot contestant gets her oun personal shooter?

Mark L. Pederson

11-08-2008, 09:06 AM

What are thay going to shoot with 55 cameras? are this camera supposed to be recording at the same time?

I actually don't know what they are shooting - I'm sure it's all under NDA - we are just sub-renting a few cameras - you can bet there will be some press on a shoot like that -

JD Holloway

11-08-2008, 09:14 AM

I knew they would have to look around to get them, I didn't figure they would be crossing the continent. LOL awesome!

J Davis

11-08-2008, 10:06 AM

anyone else notice the exact time of jim's post? Coincidence...i think not.

Go jim.

Bring it on.

lmao !

Michael Ragen

11-08-2008, 10:11 AM

Hey Mark, I think my Red is getting subrented for the same shoot. I thought it was 40 not 55 though.

Benni Diez

11-08-2008, 10:17 AM

What are thay going to shoot with 55 cameras? are all this REDs supposed to be recording at the same time?

The aftermath of Nov 13 of course.

brandon thomas

11-08-2008, 10:20 AM

i bet the insurance for that shoot has to be insanely expensive...

that shoot sounds insanely expensive.
geez.

SF Geek

11-08-2008, 11:07 AM

Is there going to be any news about post advancements or at least some kind of plan for the future of Red's post software, or only about Epic and Scarlet?

Pierce Cook

11-08-2008, 11:11 AM

Hey, what if Apple decided to randomly announce FCS 3 with full r3d integration on the 13th, too!

*sigh

Looking forward it, Jim!

Simon Blackledge

11-08-2008, 11:31 AM

Hey, what if Apple decided to randomly announce FCS 3 with full r3d integration on the 13th, too!

Yeah.. what if... ;) What if they brought it out before.. :-o

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brandon thomas

11-08-2008, 11:34 AM

i've heard no more apple announcments til '09... so i wouldn't expect that

brandon thomas

11-08-2008, 11:47 AM

also, jim needs to get on twitter.. and post links when he posts renders/pictures..

FMG battery

11-08-2008, 11:55 AM

Sounds good Jim! Looking forward.
/Christiansounds good?.. you have no idea or.. you have idea but..

Radoslav Karapetkov

11-08-2008, 12:00 PM

That's a good approach: The valuable info in an announce thread and all the discussion in another thread [with a link].

Patiently waiting for the Revelation on the 13th of November...

FMG battery

11-08-2008, 12:03 PM

yes karapetkov.. with a thread of "one sole post" seems the reception can never be bad.. ehehehehehe

Tom Lowe

11-08-2008, 12:05 PM

So is the DSMC forum here going bye-bye?

FMG battery

11-08-2008, 12:07 PM

does it matter?..

Radoslav Karapetkov

11-08-2008, 12:11 PM

yes karapetkov.. with a thread of "one sole post" seems the reception can never be bad.. ehehehehehe

Hah... also true. :holloween:

Michael Brennan

11-08-2008, 02:32 PM

I actually don't know what they are shooting - I'm sure it's all under NDA - we are just sub-renting a few cameras - you can bet there will be some press on a shoot like that -

Im not breaking a NDA by repeating what I've heard:).... that it is a NIKE commercial with a director well known for trying new techniques.
Some/all cameras will be synchnonised and it is a fairly short post production period before it airs.

Over half a billion pixels utilised in one place at one time!
Beats Lars Von Trier's record of Dancer in the Dark with 100 DV cams...

Mike Brennan

Benni Diez

11-08-2008, 03:17 PM

The same director who's been working with the Viper a lot?

David Wyatt

11-08-2008, 04:12 PM

Im not breaking a NDA by repeating what I've heard:).... that it is a NIKE commercial with a director well known for trying new techniques.
Some/all cameras will be synchnonised and it is a fairly short post production period before it airs.

Over half a billion pixels utilised in one place at one time!
Beats Lars Von Trier's record of Dancer in the Dark with 100 DV cams...

Mike Brennan

Hmmm...verrry interesting...seems they want to break the Quantum of Solace record of 8 Dalsa Origins (I haven't seen the film yet - does anyone know what the shot involved and what sequence it crops up in?)

John K

11-08-2008, 04:18 PM

Im not breaking a NDA by repeating what I've heard:).... that it is a NIKE commercial with a director well known for trying new techniques.
Some/all cameras will be synchnonised and it is a fairly short post production period before it airs.

Over half a billion pixels utilised in one place at one time!
Beats Lars Von Trier's record of Dancer in the Dark with 100 DV cams...

Mike Brennan

Do you think this might be a clue:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/11/06/hologram.yellin/index.html
Or maybe it's for one of those "3-D frozen time" things but with a much longer duration, since you could just let all the cameras free-run for 6 minutes.

Jörgen Persson

11-08-2008, 04:25 PM

Do you think this might be a clue:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/11/06/hologram.yellin/index.html
Or maybe it's for one of those "3-D frozen time" things but with a much longer duration, since you could just let all the cameras free-run for 6 minutes.

Or maybe something like "Imitation of life" by REM?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEhT2QlRBMo

A couple of seconds of action cycled back and forth in a frame that has enough resolution to be zoomed in and still be delivered as HD... Just a thought.

Tim Hole

11-08-2008, 04:33 PM

Makes so much sense. I like the sound of it...sounds like a lot of info. Can't wait. Although I do enjoy the Sherlock Holmes approach of deducing from dutch-angled renders...its fun

Ian Laurie

11-08-2008, 04:35 PM

is that what they are all for? I had no idea. Should be a parade with all those reds.

Steven Caesare

11-08-2008, 06:30 PM

i bet the insurance for that shoot has to be insanely expensive...

that shoot sounds insanely expensive.
geez.

Assuming accessories and glass in the neighborhood of $27.5K per camera... that's over $1,500,000 wrth of cameras...

Ethan Cooper

11-08-2008, 06:30 PM

does this mean that DSMC and Scarlet have been rolled into one product?
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FMG battery

11-08-2008, 06:45 PM

does this mean that DSMC and Scarlet have been rolled into one product?someone 100% really smart at last.

Christian Edwards

11-09-2008, 01:18 AM

Thanks Jim but Jarred already told me

Lee Jay

11-09-2008, 07:19 AM

does this mean that DSMC and Scarlet have been rolled into one product?

Didn't Scarlet have something like a 2/3" sensor? Obviously, that would make it highly non-competitive in the dSLR space. If it now has a full-frame sensor, wouldn't that make it far more expensive than Scarlet was supposed to be?

David Rasberry

11-09-2008, 08:24 AM

Lee Jay

11-09-2008, 08:26 AM

I think there will be a choice of sensor sizes/lens mounts in a completely modular system. 2/3" has advantages for a compact motion picture camera with a high performance broad ranged zoom lens at a modest price for many kinds of shooting, especially documentaries.
35mm doesn't work well because the necessary optics get too big, heavy and expensive.

Then how can Scarlet and the DSMC be the same product? If you're assuming it's all by modularity, then trading out the sensor, processing and lens system (remember, Scarlet was supposed to be fixed-lens) pretty much means a whole new product.

David Rasberry

11-09-2008, 08:45 AM

I speculate "Scarlet" will be a processor/ control block with a certain level of processing power. "Epic" will be a much more powerful and expensive processor. There will be a choice of optical blocks for both with options for sensor size and lens mount. A build it the way you want it approach. My suggested list of optical blocks for Scarlet would be:

1. 2/3" sensor with fixed lens as original Scarlet

2. 4/3" standard sensor and micro 4/3 standard bayonet mount for interchangeable lenses.

3. s35mm sensor with PL mount

4. Full frame 35mm sensor with choice of still camera lens mounts.

For Scarlet/ DSMC you would trade off high speed frame rates for larger sensor size. Up to 180fps on 2/3" down to 24fps or 30fps max on the full frame 35mm, unless you crop for higher frame rates like Red One does. For large sensor and high fps you will need Epic level processor.

Lee Jay

11-09-2008, 09:14 AM

So, that would mean Epic wouldn't matter to anyone shooting at 24 or 30fps, since they could get Scarlet/DSMC with a large sensor for probably 1/10th the price. Or, perhaps, the difference is just pixel count between Scarlet/DSMC with the larger sensors and Epic.

I'm not really buying all of that.

MadamImAdam

11-09-2008, 02:22 PM

The difference is that Epic will be a 3D camera.

This has been the plan all along. Why do you think the Red One is called the Red "One"?

Although Epic owners will derisively refer to the Red One as "Cyclops." Get used to it.

Oh, and Scarlet will have only one dimension. There's no lens at all. You have to...well, it's complicated. Jim will explain it.

david farland

11-09-2008, 05:25 PM

Jannard

11-09-2008, 07:04 PM

Jim,
what time (local) will the information begin to appear?

Dave

You just never know... I hope we can make it! :-)

Jim

Pawel Achtel

11-09-2008, 07:19 PM

You just never know... I hope we can make it! :-)

Jim

Hehehe....I've been refreshing reduser page every 5 seconds for the last 5 days http://achtel.com/smiles/clown.gif

I can't imagine what I'll be doing on the 13th ...

John Caballero

11-09-2008, 07:42 PM

Info launch time: 00:01 EST Nov. 13.

Jannard

11-09-2008, 08:35 PM

Info launch time: 00:01 EST Nov. 13.

Never know... I just might get stage fright.

Jim

Peter Mosiman

11-09-2008, 08:43 PM

Never know... I just might get stage fright.

Jim

hah. you...stage fright. good joke.

Radoslav Karapetkov

11-09-2008, 08:44 PM

Never know... I just might get stage fright.

Jim

Fortune favors the bold... :shifty:

E Kennon

11-09-2008, 08:47 PM

Never know... I just might get stage fright.

Jim
Today 07:42 PM

you can't have stage fright too long or we'll assume that these renders are all that really exists :umm:

Tico Llaurador

11-09-2008, 08:47 PM

Never know... I just might get stage fright.

Jim

Rrrrrriiiiiiggggggghhhhhttttt... be careful, Jim, folks all over must be googling for pixs of a certain kind of poultry to post right about now.

:whistling:

Jannard

11-09-2008, 08:55 PM

Rrrrrriiiiiiggggggghhhhhttttt... be careful, Jim, folks all over must be googling for pixs of a certain kind of poultry to post right about now.

:whistling:

hehe... never known to have stage fright. I'll be there. Will you?

Everyone at RED is coming out of their skin waiting for Thursday...

Jim

Joseph Ward

11-09-2008, 08:58 PM

How come Jim seems to post comments without his name popping out on Reduser forums?:)

Tico Llaurador

11-09-2008, 09:00 PM

Actually, no. But only because I will be 35,000 ft. in the air. But as soon as we land, I'll bust out my laptop and tune in for the announcement.

That's a certainty!

:)

Jerry Nichols

11-09-2008, 09:34 PM

Shirley, can we get another picture? pitcher, whatever. Something PLEASE!?!? I know your names not Shirley, .......Jim Pretty Please?:turned:

WestEggProductions

11-09-2008, 09:53 PM

i've been reading this forum for a couple months now and i'm getting exponentially more obsessed as we get closer to 11.13.08... I'm RED-y for anything.

i'll be graduating from film school in june. been saving money to buy a scarlet. i turn 21 on the 25th. i think it'd be the perfect bday gift Jim... you don't even have to give me one free (but don't let me stop you), just don't make me wait!!!

THREE DAYS LEFT!

Jared Caldwell

11-09-2008, 10:13 PM

I will be there...in fact, I was there yesterday....and the day before...and th...

You get the point! >:}

Stephen Gentle

11-09-2008, 10:36 PM

Info launch time: 00:01 EST Nov. 13.

I hope it's something like that because of the timezone I'm in - if it's 9:00 AM there is about 2:00 AM the next day over here, so midnight over there would be great for me!

romainhc@hotmail.com

11-10-2008, 04:02 AM

My birthday is the 17th ... so I think I deserve the Free Scarlet ;)

Paul Hazlett

11-10-2008, 06:17 AM

Everyone at RED is coming out of their skin waiting for Thursday...

Jim

yuck.... I who is going to clean up that mess.....

Lawrence Bansbach

11-10-2008, 07:28 AM

So, that would mean Epic wouldn't matter to anyone shooting at 24 or 30fps, since they could get Scarlet/DSMC with a large sensor for probably 1/10th the price.Even if David is right, no one said the sensor blocks were all the same price. But I have my doubts too. All this modularity and choice may be good, but it can only drive prices up and well-heeled point-and-shooters away.

Travis Freeburg

11-10-2008, 08:16 AM

My birthday is the 17th ... so I think I deserve the Free Scarlet ;)

mine's the 12th.... and it's my 21st.... but I'll settle for a spot in line :)

oops... this is my first post. Hi everyone :)

David Rasberry

11-10-2008, 04:34 PM

Even if David is right, no one said the sensor blocks were all the same price. But I have my doubts too. All this modularity and choice may be good, but it can only drive prices up and well-heeled point-and-shooters away.

True, just because you may be able to build it your way doesn't necessarily mean you can afford it your way. I hope there are reasonable options within the $3-4k range. To be fair, Scarlet was never pegged as a sub $2k camera aimed at the consumer market. If a few hundred bucks extra at the low end of the range buys access to a world of future upgrades, I think the tradeoff is worth it.

Mike Bozulich

11-10-2008, 04:50 PM

Any chance of an early info release if everything is in place and ready to go? I mean why wait for an arbitrary date if all your ducks are in a row? I doubt anyone here would complain. :)

Lawrence Bansbach

11-11-2008, 07:27 AM

To be fair, Scarlet was never pegged as a sub $2k camera aimed at the consumer market.I agree. I always thought that the whole soccer-mom thing was pretty silly and that Scarlet was targeted at professionals. But given the sub-$3,000 pricetag for the original Scarlet and moderate advertising (in photography, film/filmmaking, and maybe even computer and home video gear mags), there might be sufficient awareness and interest among the general public to sell a few thousand units to the more affluent, or at least those with more discretionary income. I may be wrong (I usually am), but the higher the cost and the more complex the purchase decision -- and therefore the more knowledgeable the buyer must be -- the greater the chance of losing this segment of potential buyers.

Tarek S. Kandil

11-12-2008, 02:28 AM

Hi I'm new to the RED forum, have been following up and saving up for my very own RED here in Beirut. I'm looking forward to the 13th, but think its terrific that REDones are available at once.

I run a very small super8 facility, and the goal is to give ppl a small gauge image on film that they can blowup for hamstring prices. It seems to be working so far, I take off in January, am building a small telecine rig and am trying to figure out how to capture the aerial image on a RED sensor, if anyone has any idea on the adjustments that have to be made to condenser lenses and capture computers would be great to chat.

If I can get scarlet to work as a capture device, then students can shoot in Super8mm and have 3K files for hopefully under the price a full HD camera hires per day (over 600 dollars in Lebanon).

Apparently someone here owns a RED one and is renting it at exorbitantly high prices, dunno how ppl feel about that since RED is not about extra cash...

Mr. Jannard, hats off.

Question on ordering, is it still wire transfer to an account until i hit the price? ie can i make a deposit and keep adding to my credit?

T