Red One Dvd Tutorial

[cckid]

Hi everyone,

I intend to work as a red professional camera assistant which would include everything from setting up the camera, properly attaching additional accessories, setting shooting preferences, speeds, formats, etc....it would also include capturing-transcoding of material, preparing for editing, backing up and proper archiving of already shot material, finding the best format/workflow route for different clients and dop's, arranging monitoring and replay on set for clients. As we can see being an assistant for a red camera could be a very complex task.

A lot of these issues have been discussed in these forums, however I would like to see a professional product that would serve as basic, highly efficient tutorial tool for all those who want to know how to make the best use of red one and the upcoming mini - red (aka. red ppc)...

We have already ordered red one and we are getting a red one in september 2007 and I would like to learn and prepare ahead to use this camera at its full in a safe, professional way from early on, and this way avoid damaging the camera due to my lack of knowledge and non professional approach....

Something as the Barry Green tutorial on the hvx would be more than welcome and I would be glad to invest into a similar product – I am sure I wouldn’t be the only one.

We are all aware that red is a unique beast....I have extensive practical experience in terms of digital, film and still cameras and and I work a lot as an editor in fcp (been working as director, editor and camera operator for quite some time now)....and would love to extend my skills to professional red operator assistant in a best possible way....is anyone of the red team already working on such dvd and book tutorial please inform us eagerly awaiting users….and btw if you want to see something funny check out the trailer for my last docu film HONEYMOON shot in Japan that should be soon distributed across USA…

Best regards


cckid

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www.honeymoonthemovie.net

[Shawn Nelson]

Yes, I am producing such a DVD. I was planning on waiting longer to reveal, but it is the very first thing I will do with my Red. Being #27 I will be in the very first batch (excluding the 1-12 prerelease) so I can bring such a DVD to market by the time the first 100 or so have shipped. I have a lot of ideas, but does anyone care to pitch out what they'd like to see on my DVD? cckid, I'll PM you to find out where you live, etc.

[digitalnirvana9]

I'd like to know more about Redcode and how it relates to the editing process in FCP.
Its special requirements ie storage, cards, memory, etc, and how it integrates with such tools as the new Color module Apple has developed and further Redcode's integration with Shake....Peace, Norman

[Tony Lorentzen]

Check out http://www.projectred.net/

I'm sure Emery will give you more info on the specifics.

[johannperry]

Great idea Shawn,
have you seen the Goodmans Guide for the Panasonic SDX900 (ISBN 0-9753430-0-9)
It has some great ideas as a guide for any user from the inexperienced to the accomplished professional. I'm sure you know it but do take a look if you don't,

[Shawn Nelson]

Hmm, that Project Red looks like they are trying to compete with Reduser with them creating a forum and trying to get a ton of people to hang out there and discuss workflow and ask questions and then having sponsors that pay them for the site. But if that's the case then okay. I'm trying to figure out how they are going to do things. I PMed Emery and he hasn't gotten back to me. I need to see if there is a place for me to make my DVD such that I don't cover everything he is. I think the community could really benefit from my dvd, but there's no point in me doing a ton of work to sell a DVD on using Red if he does the same and gives it away for free. Or is he charging? Judging by the scant info on the site it seems they'll be mostly focused on Red post workflow. If so, I could then focus my DVD mostly on production techniques with Red, actually shooting with it.

Thoughts?

[Michael Schrengohst]

Instead of a DVD - I would suggest a subscription based downloadable format, that is produced at least in 720p....
Their are guys who are buying educational DVD's and then renting them out for like 2 or 3 bucks.....

[Rodrigo Lizana]

There´s always place for your DVD !. I have the Goodman guide for the Varicam and while I liked it, I´ve would had bought another one just to get more info about it. Same as for the other cameras. People who had over 30K to invest on a camera can certainly spend less than 100 in a couple of DVD´s. Or were you thinking to charge your DVD "per pixel"...?
Anyway, I think you´ll be fine with your DVD. Wish you shot it with 2 Reds...one shooting the other !.

[Craig Schober]

Hmm, that Project Red looks like they are trying to compete with Reduser with them creating a forum and trying to get a ton of people to hang out there and discuss workflow and ask questions and then having sponsors that pay them for the site. But if that's the case then okay. I'm trying to figure out how they are going to do things. I PMed Emery and he hasn't gotten back to me. I need to see if there is a place for me to make my DVD such that I don't cover everything he is. I think the community could really benefit from my dvd, but there's no point in me doing a ton of work to sell a DVD on using Red if he does the same and gives it away for free. Or is he charging? Judging by the scant info on the site it seems they'll be mostly focused on Red post workflow. If so, I could then focus my DVD mostly on production techniques with Red, actually shooting with it.

Thoughts?
i think they're basing any tutorial dvd on many user experiences and since no users have hands-on with redone yet, their scant on realworld red experiences like all of us here. i think we would all benefit from your dvd. and don't worry about their free dvd vs. your dvd. if it's worth the money, plenty of users will be happy to pay. remember, people want your experience and knowledge and are willing to pay for it. besides, you're high enough on the list to produce a real complete dvd before most of us will even unbox our red cams.

btw, would you consider a blu-ray or hd-dvd release? would be a shame to view some great red footage examples in only 480p.

[Shawn Nelson]

I have considered blu-ray or hd-dvd, but the problem is so few people can see them. But I concur, I would hate for people to see Red footage in 480p :-). So what I am thinking is that I could send a normal DVD and have all the training stuff be in SD, but then include some 1080p or 2k Red footage in files on the DVD. Best of both worlds?

[GlennChan]

The Red camera comes with a "red one quick start guide" DVD (or CD) according to their brochure at NAB.

2- It might stink that not all the features on your camera will be enabled/done.

Stuff to watch out for.

[C.H.Haskell]

I would encourage everyone who wants to publish there RED research and test results for it will benefit the community greatly. I personally would consider buying your DVD and others as well as long as they are produced in HD. ;)

Good luck!

[Camille Herren]

Shawn, good idea!

However, producing an actual DVD and shipping it all over the world could quickly become a fairly big job (unless, I guess, you use a third-party institution like maybe amazon.com to handle shipping and stuff). Though, I don't know what their policy is with selling "self-made" DVD's. If I were you I'd probably find an online solution. I'm not sure what the options are with iTunes, but check this out: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117963017.html?categoryid=2508&cs=1&query=unbox.

Anyway, best of luck to you!

[Bachman]

"Red One For Dummies"?

[Álex Montoya]

Having shot always handheld or shoulder mount, ENG style, I would like the DVD to include a brief introduction to cine-style shooting, addressing follow focus, matte boxes, supergrips, rods, cages...

[david farland]

Shaun,
I haven't seen the Barry Green DVD or the Panny or any of the others for that matter but I'm sure it's not too hard to come up with a table of contents and to to produce a best-of-breed DVD. With greatest respect I would also suggest that the tablet of contents and approach/content be scrutinized by a number of DOP’s.
The trouble is that the red camera functionality hasn't been finalized and will be regularly up dated, and maybe your guide will need to also. I expect this will be similar case for the red user guide. Obviously what you produce will need to add value over and above the user guide and anybody else doing a ‘how to guide’.

I'm of the mind that open source collaboration, is in principle a great way to go, only because of the obvious advantage of many opinions, suggestions will hopefully make the product a much richer one. I still think this shouldn’t greatly affect the price though.

To me the biggest problem is the end to end workflow and the lack of information, details of alternatives, etc. Add to these the lack of knowledge in regards to image quality alternatives, any idea at all about process times, systems specs, nle product capabilities, cost alternatives and you have yourself a maze of confusion. I'm not sure a DVD is the right channel for postproduction workflows, as it will be so rapidly evolving, changing as everything gets smoothed out and the major players get on board. Have lots of ideas on the post workflow guides if anyone is interested in discussing online.

Cheers,

[redhead]

Shawn, good idea!

However, producing an actual DVD and shipping it all over the world could quickly become a fairly big job
That's what filmbaby.com is for. A non-exclusive worldwide DVD distribution online, run by the same people who created cdbaby.com. See joinfilmbaby.com for details.

[Craig Schober]

I have considered blu-ray or hd-dvd, but the problem is so few people can see them. But I concur, I would hate for people to see Red footage in 480p :-). So what I am thinking is that I could send a normal DVD and have all the training stuff be in SD, but then include some 1080p or 2k Red footage in files on the DVD. Best of both worlds?

since we can expect semi-regular updates of red (at least for first few months), maybe you can update the tutorial too with downloadable quicktimes as you create them. and if you're host expenses aren't too much, you could just send out links for hi-res quicktimes bypassing the whole blu-ray thing entirely. might get expensive. especially with the way links tend to get passed around here.

[Shawn Nelson]

Hey guys, good ideas! As for the Red changing, remember that the hardware in Red is going to be locked down. Jim said I would only get a Red that's not software complete. And the primary stuff will all be there, there are just a few things I can't do (like 1080p RGB).

David, I concur about a DVD not being the best for post, that's why I'm strongly leaning towards focusing mine primarily at Red production.

[Roxco]

To me the biggest problem is the end to end workflow and the lack of information, details of alternatives, etc. Add to these the lack of knowledge in regards to image quality alternatives, any idea at all about process times, systems specs, nle product capabilities, cost alternatives and you have yourself a maze of confusion. I'm not sure a DVD is the right channel for postproduction workflows, as it will be so rapidly evolving, changing as everything gets smoothed out and the major players get on board. Have lots of ideas on the post workflow guides if anyone is interested in discussing online.

Cheers,

I literally rode to NAB with the very first batch of FCP training DVD's and then spent four years explaining the benefits of FireWire and FCP to the crowds at the ProMax booth. I have reviewed or helped with just about every FCP training DVD made and I used to get all the FCP trainers and interested college professors together at NAB/BEA to try to build some synergy and discuss the best training methods.

That said - you need to determine how big the market really is and if you will be outdated the minute you burn copy #1. Apple made many changes so quickly to FCP that it hurt the smaller authors' wallets. Check with Ripple Training, DV Creators, Intelligent Assistance and the ones mentioned above if you want a viable business model authoring technical DVD's for video production. I'd say stick to the camera hardware and be ready for driver updates that quickly age your DVD's value. Rapid updates will keep most people stuck to a RED website for current wisdom.

My Two Sense,

Rosco

[sbroock]

I would encourage everyone who wants to publish there RED research and test results for it will benefit the community greatly. I personally would consider buying your DVD and others as well as long as they are produced in HD. ;)

Good luck!

The info got moved to the less frequented "off topic" board, but several of us are planning just such a community focused, open source, information building resource with www.projectred.net. Check it out for an introductory video to the concept and goals of the project.

In short, Emery, I, and the guys at Fxphd are putting together a shoot that will touch upon, and illustrate, the unique perspective of DPs, Directors, Visual Effects Artists, and Producers (add additional categories if you'd like us to address it).

We each have reservations below #50, so we should be able to get things rolling pretty quickly after the initial shipments.

-Scott

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