Real names

[Jarred Land]

We are moving over to a REAL NAME policy here on REDUSER.

We will begin this transition voluntarily, just send a PM to JASON RAMSEY (http://www.reduser.net/forum/private.php?do=newpm&u=84) with your real name and he will update your username of our account, you will retain all your posts and info.

All new Registrations must use Real Names from this point forward.

thanks for your understanding.

[Casey Green]

The name is Bond, James Bond. :-)

(seriously though, this is good news.)

[Jarred Land]

wow.. the feedback so far has been terrific.. keep em coming.

thanks guys!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Cool. The way it should be.

[number6]

Can't use my real name... (W______ P_________ Program...sshhhh) If it helps, number 6 is my birth order.... well, on my father's side. I'm only my mother's 5th. (I think I've just given you WAY more information than my name would have.)

[Vigen Vartanov]

Did i need to send you my ID :) :)

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

<---i

:)

[JanneJansson]

Cool :)

[Steve Gibby]

Bring it! IMO its long overdue...

Let there be accountability and responsibility for what is posted. Adios trolls, flame masters, industry plants, and FUD masters! If you're person enough to post, you should have the courage to put your name below your post - unless of course you have something to hide, like an opposing industry affiliation, etc.

I registered the first day RED User went online with my real last name - Gibby. Lets put a "Steve" in front of that now. The same day I registered I put up a profile and link to my web site, linked off from my user name. I had and have nothing to hide and I stand behind every one of my posts since that day.

Again...real names has been long overdue.

[Jon Sagud]

Woohoooo! Everyone out of the closet!!!! Rock on reduser!

[number6]

I disagree that this is a good idea. REDuser knows who we are, so it's not like we are totally anonymous. I have two RED1s in my home. If someone can get on here and google my address and even see my home, they may try to steal them during the coming hard times. That means I would have to shoot one... or even all, of them. Then you got the paperwork at the police station and while you're there, someone else could just walk in and steal my cameras.

No, I will not use my name.

[Gert-Jan]

Hehe, RED is always trying to make the relationship between manufacturer and customer very close!

[Jarred Land]

Hey Number6..no problem. you can live on to be Number6 over at Scarletuser.com.

in a couple weeks, the voluntary will switch to mandatory.

[Kholi Hicks]

Kholi is my name. Kinda like how Tansem is Tansem.

:D

[KETCH ROSSi]

Love the idea! And about time that it is a rule in here as well!

I talk to much some times... okay most of the time, but at list I always do so as KETCH ROSSI and not some %$#%$#! name, I stand for my words and my actions... always.

And also this will make it more easy for my F$@# head to remember those that I meat at events such NAB, eliminating all together to hear, Hi KETCH pleasure meeting you my name is ..... you know me as $#@@%$! in the RED Forum.


Great call guys.

ciao

[Kreisky]

Is the full name needed ?
Or is the first or surename enough ?

[James T Mather]

Ketch - yeah, like that's a real name :biggrin:

[number6]

Hello, I'm number 6 and I am a REDuser addict.

(chorus)
Hi Number 6.

Today will be my last day as an addict.

(applause)

[Brian Langeman]

Thank you Jarred. This should have been implemented a long time ago.

[Gert-Jan]

Hehe, who can pronounciate my name?

[Vigen Vartanov]

Hello, I'm number 6 and I am a REDuser addict.

(chorus)
Hi Number 6.

Today will be my last day as an addict.

(applause)

:biggrin:

[Vigen Vartanov]

Good day . Now i am Vigen Vartanov :) (After 1 minute from PM , fast job )
I thing that we need to publish list
OLD NAME = NEW NAME :)

[Jarred Land]

good idea Vigen.. might be good for you guys to put your " Formally known as ___ " in your signature :)

[C.H.Haskell]

Haha...about time. Hey Jarred I have always used my real name...Haskell...does it need to change to include 1st as well?

[Vigen Vartanov]

Also i can not understand 1 thing. You need to check my Real Names wth ID :) . Becaus i can be Mr . XXX Mr YYY . May be better to check name with camera number ?

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Hi Biba :).

[Vigen Vartanov]

Hi Karapetkov :) Now i am Vigen Vartanov . Sow please don not call me BIBA :)

[planet e]

Good day . Now i am Vigen Vartanov :) (After 1 minute from PM , fast job )
I thing that we need to publish list
OLD NAME = NEW NAME :)

I think it would be more fun to guess...

Jarred, my real name account seems to be re-activated, but not the posting privileges, so I can read-only but not post. Can you help a sistah out?

[David Mullen ASC]

I pushed for Cinematography.Com to require real names for years and they finally did it a few years ago and it's been, for me, a big improvement. I've been posting under my real name on the internet for more than a decade, starting back when I was a beginner in this industry -- it's been far more of a benefit to have my real name out there than a problem.

I think, in general, one should sign one's name to an opinion -- for one thing, it tends to lesson the likelihood of making spurious, crack comments on an impulse or whim because there are no repercussions. And even when you do that, and there are some repercussions, at least you learn a lesson in self-moderation, which I do not think is a bad thing personally. Freedom of speech comes with the burden of responsibility and self-control.

However, over the years, occasionally some people have had some understandable reasons for preferring to stay anonymous. I understand some of those arguments, believe me, I just think there are too many advantages to a real name only policy in a discussion board.

[David Birdy]

Thanks for keeping it real Jarred!

Cheers
Dave

[Júlio Taubkin]

Wow, you're going through this pretty fast!

[KETCH ROSSi]

Ketch - yeah, like that's a real name :biggrin:

Well, actually the full real name is: KETCH RAIMONDO ROSSI, but you can still call me KETCH ROSSI:)

when you come to NAB this year remind me to show you my DL. would post it here, but I think a better not.

ciao

[J Davis]

I'm all for this and I added my name to the signature.
jdMAX is my website.
Can I keep the handle?

J

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Hi Karapetkov :) Now i am Vigen Vartanov . Sow please don not call me BIBA :)


Okay. :)

[Pawel Achtel]

Good move, Jarred http://achtel.com/smiles/clap.gif

[Yannick Hagman]

A good decision.

[Leo Ticheli]

Thank you!

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo

[NateWeaver]

It's a good idea. I've seen other boards do it and it keeps the crap down.

Thank you. It will make Reduser a better source for information.

[Irmeli R]

is it possible to use the company name or company website as our nick? on other forums we mostly have just one company login for us.

[Tom Lowe]

Good. Maybe it will cut down on some of the disrespectful and thoughtless posting.

[Kreisky]

Did anybody made thoughts about "google search" ?
What if someone google your name and only finds million pages form redusers.net ?

I dont want ladies to know that Im a NERD !!! They think Im a playboy !

[Kreisky]

I have joust googled Mr. Ketch Rossi ! BINGO !
Try yourself !

[Tom Lowe]

Did anybody made thoughts about "google search" ?
What if someone google your name and only finds million pages form redusers.net ?

I dont want ladies to know that Im a NERD !!! They think Im a playboy !

Haha.. good point!!

[Cüneyt Kaya]

I dont want ladies to know that Im a NERD !!! They think Im a playboy !

when his wife discovers that he wrote this he will be a playboy of the past...hehe

[Kreisky]

when his wife discovers that he wrote this he will be a playboy of the past...hehe

Ha ha !
.......still Kreisky my friend !

[Jeff Kilgroe]

The ladies love me for my google presence.

[Jarred Land]

I'm all for this and I added my name to the signature.
jdMAX is my website.
Can I keep the handle?

J

yes..

[Ramesh Jai]

I disagree that this is a good idea. REDuser knows who we are, so it's not like we are totally anonymous. I have two RED1s in my home. If someone can get on here and google my address and even see my home, they may try to steal them during the coming hard times. That means I would have to shoot one... or even all, of them. Then you got the paperwork at the police station and while you're there, someone else could just walk in and steal my cameras.

No, I will not use my name.
How many screenplays have you written? :)

[Kreisky]

How many screenplays have you written? :)

Pulp Fiction ???

[Ivan G]

Did anybody made thoughts about "google search" ?
What if someone google your name and only finds million pages form redusers.net ?

I dont want ladies to know that Im a NERD !!! They think Im a playboy !


I was going to mention this as well. No way around google...

[J Davis]

cheers Jarred ! !

[Peter Majtan]

Ketch - yeah, like that's a real name :biggrin:

Yeah, right - like James is a real name... I am sure Your real name is 馬鹿 :angry03:

:)

[Jarred Land]

I was going to mention this as well. No way around google...

Its not as bad as you think... your profile is really the only thing that usually gets picked up when you do a google search ( you can search my name to see ) .. sometimes a few random posts get in there but only if someone calls you out :)

[J Davis]

Be proud of who you are and what you do

[Antoine Fabi]

It's about time !!!!!

Yes sir!

Antoine

[Jonas Rejman]

Great idea! I stopped using nicknames a long time ago. Could not keep track.
How will you enforce it though? Some names are really weird.

Jannard, for example. Looks like a nickname to me ...

[Peter Majtan]

The question is Jarred - how can we really verify the real names? If there is someone from SONY, they can just put anyone else's name or just a plain fake name. This is my first online community and I am one of the "loosers" who use they real name even in their e-mail address... :waaa:

[Darren Orange]

Cheers Jarred! Thanks!

[Joe D'Arcym]

PM sent

[Graeme Nattress]

Fake names do happen, but it's the content of the post that counts, and you can spot the same "characters" who appear with the same bad grammar, but different name each time.

Personally, I like real names because people don't put their nicknames on their NAB badges... :-)

Graeme (Actually my real name) Nattress

[Gert-Jan]

I'm getting the feeling that if you have an uncommon first/surname, you have a much higher chance of working at RED :-)

[Jeff Kilgroe]

people don't put their nicknames on their NAB badges... :-)

Er... Uh... never mind.

:whistling:

[mikeburton]

This was a good idea. Think of it as free advertising for yourself :-)

[David M]

The question is Jarred - how can we really verify the real names? If there is someone from SONY, they can just put anyone else's name or just a plain fake name. This is my first online community and I am one of the "loosers" who use they real name even in their e-mail address... :waaa:

Exactly.
In any case, if you work for Sony, you could conceivably post under the name SonyRoolz, but if you have to use your real name how is anybody going to know that Fredrick Armbruster Schinkelmeyer III works for Sony?

I can't see how you can really prove a person is who they say they are, at least not online. It takes two minutes to set up an e-mail address which can be in any name you like.

If you're talking about driver's licenses or something like that, unless you are prepared to actually view the original document, again, two minutes work with Photoshop will make you anybody you like.

By the way, I work for one of the "usual suspects" that people insist are so afraid of the RED (not saying which, but generally they aren't).
I'm not here to trash the RED or generally spy on the company, I'm just genuinely interested in the way the industry wind is blowing.

However, I don't know whether my employers would approve of me participating on this forum or not, and I'm not about to blow my cover by asking them.

One way around this is that if somebody has a genuine reason for not wanting their name appearing on the forum, you could use the "find all posts by [this user] to see whether they have beem a disruptive poster, and if not then allow them to post under a pseudonym.

If you want my advice, one way to improve this forum a lot would be for the message editor to refuse to accept any message that's less than so many characters long, so the few nuggets of real information don't get buried in endless streams of single phrase posts like:

Right On!
Fantastic!
Film is definitely choking in its own vomit about now!
etc etc etc etc etc etc.....

[Deanan]

I'm getting the feeling that if you have an uncommon first/surname, you have a much higher chance of working at RED :-)

Strange names or Matt.

[Douglas Underdahl]

Excellent.

[Bruce Allen]

One way around this is that if somebody has a genuine reason for not wanting their name appearing on the forum, you could use the "find all posts by [this user] to see whether they have beem a disruptive poster, and if not then allow them to post under a pseudonym.


I think Jannard's the most disruptive poster ;) But in a good way.



If you want my advice, one way to improve this forum a lot would be for the message editor to refuse to accept any message that's less than so many characters long, so the few nuggets of real information don't get buried in endless streams of single phrase posts like:

Right On!
Fantastic!
Film is definitely choking in its own vomit about now!
etc etc etc etc etc etc.....

Right O.... oh wait.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Gregory Karydis]

Funny thing, the VFX and 3D animation community knows me as nutman for over a decade and I had that nickname attached to me since 3rd grade because it is the litteral translation of my surname in English.

BTW, PM sent along with a suggestion.

BTW, over at a VFX forum I am a super moderator and I am thoroughly disruptive :) I think it comes with having all that power... I always fix people's grammar to make it readable.

[Graeme Nattress]

Nutman, I expect the gamma police, not the grammar police!

Graeme

[Gregory Karydis]

Graeme the sole purpose of my doing so is because most artists in that forum come from countries where english is not the first language so it helps quite a bit.

[david farland]

...does it need to change to include 1st as well?
Yes GayLord, you must.....

[Graeme Nattress]

Nutman, I understand. I just couldn't resist a joke based upon gamma / grammar.

Graeme

[Gregory Karydis]

Joke's on me, I suppose I should loosen up a bit.
btw, I hope Jarred doesn't opt for the "official" first names like in my case it's Grigorios but nobody in their right mind would call me that. Greg or Gregory is easier.

[Steven M. Bailey]

Joke's on me, I suppose I should loosen up a bit.
btw, I hope Jarred doesn't opt for the "official" first names like in my case it's Grigorios but nobody in their right mind would call me that. Greg or Gregory is easier.

At least Grigorios is different and somewhat cool.

Hollywood has started a recent trend to call anything inanimate or stupid "Steve".:) I like my name but wtf.:detective2:

[Nick Ambrose]

Ketch - yeah, like that's a real name :biggrin:

Maybe it's his "porn" Name :)

[Nick Ambrose]

I think it's a good idea, I just signed up with "limeyx" as I use that moniker on a bunch of other boards...

[Gregory Karydis]

Actually a Steve happens to be a very good friend of mine.
Steve it's the "somewhat" before the cool that makes me stick with "nutman". Over the years those who know me have come to understand it has a double meaning that's more to do with insanity than my actual surname.
And while we are at it "The Rod" is a good porn name.

[FMG battery]

Maybe it's his "porn" Name :)why this insistence towards his name?.. KETCH is one of the most decent guys i ever met here.. why this replay?.. seems quite offensive.. offending him you're offending many others..

[david farland]

FMG...who ever you are!!...we respect/love Ketch well here. I'd be surprised if he was offended.

chill dude.....

[FMG battery]

thx for clarification.. good to know.. who ever i am.. :)

[Cristina S]

we respect/love Ketch well here. I'd be surprised if he was offended.
Pardon me. But Ketch's post looks like a little bit uncomfortable.

[Sean R.]

Feel free to change mine from Sean R. to Sean Ruggeri any day. It's better than most of things you call me Jarred.:bleh:

I think this is a great idea. Anonymity is highly overrated. Say what you want to say and claim until your final day.

[JD Holloway]

Funny thing, the VFX and 3D animation community knows me as nutman for over a decade and I had that nickname attached to me since 3rd grade because it is the litteral translation of my surname in English.


Not surprising to me. I have a friend who's name is to Dik Man Long

His sister? Suk Dik Long.

Cant make this *&^% up...

My dentist's name is Harry Orfus...not kidding.

[Jeff Brue]

good idea...you should claim your words in a professional forum. It makes the giving and taking of advice a lot easier, especially when you have someone that's about to attend film school kid disrespecting the man who just shot a 200 million dollar movie. Again something that will only happen in real life on an internet forum.

[Nick Ambrose]

FMG...who ever you are!!...we respect/love Ketch well here. I'd be surprised if he was offended.

chill dude.....

To be clear, my comment was supposed to be humorous as opposed to -less, and I hope I didn't offend the man himself !

[Jared Caldwell]

Its not as bad as you think... your profile is really the only thing that usually gets picked up when you do a google search ( you can search my name to see ) .. sometimes a few random posts get in there but only if someone calls you out :)

I just did a google search for my name, and my ScarletUser profile page is the number one hit on google! My personal website is number 4, lmao...

[Steve Freebairn]

I think using our real names is a great idea, it should stop some of the crap that goes on around here.

[Paul Hazlett]

I want to be called Loretta

[Zakaree Sandberg]

I'm getting the feeling that if you have an uncommon first/surname, you have a much higher chance of working at RED :-)

Zakaree..


unusual spelling i guess

[Petr Dvorak]

Jarred do you really think that this will help to reveal Steven Spielberg, Peter Jackon, George Lucas, Kim Jong Ill or Vladimir Putin here on reduser? He he :shifty: :shiftyph34r:

I like internet nicks. It will be sad here :umm:

[Jaime Vallés]

Thanks for implementing this Jarred. I've always felt it's a good idea. My name has been in my profile the whole time, though it's in Spanish, so it's pronounced "High-Meh", not "Jay-Mee". Not that I mind either way. :ph34r:

[Roberto B]

Jarred do you really think that this will help to reveal Steven Spielberg, Peter Jackon, George Lucas, Kim Jong Ill or Vladimir Putin here on reduser? He he :shifty: :shiftyph34r:

I like internet nicks. It will be sad here :umm:no comment.. ehehehehehe

[Petr Dvorak]

Paris Hilton where you are?
Be sure that Jarred will dig you from your den :devil:

[Steve Sherrick]

At least Grigorios is different and somewhat cool.

Hollywood has started a recent trend to call anything inanimate or stupid "Steve".:) I like my name but wtf.:detective2:

I'm both inanimate and stupid sometimes.
:)

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

I am all for real names, great move!

[Kevin Wild]

LOVE the idea and have for some time now. Watch how much of the junk disappears overnight.

[Christian Edwards]

It's better than most of things you call me Jarred.


That's Hilarious!

[James T Mather]

Well, actually the full real name is: KETCH RAIMONDO ROSSI, but you can still call me KETCH ROSSI:)

when you come to NAB this year remind me to show you my DL. would post it here, but I think a better not.

ciao

I'm Just pulling your leg Ketch - It a great cinematographer name (Which, as a rule, should sound unusual, foreign &, most importantly, expensive) -

Upon hearing the name one should immediately think "wow, I haven't even seen his stuff but already he sounds insanely costly - can we even afford him?"

To wit - see the following staggeringly expensive list.


Darius Khondji, Vilmos Zsigmond, Janusz Kaminski, Andrzej Bartkowiak, Emmanuel Lubezki, Phedon Papamichael, Ketch Rossi, Harris Savides, Dariusz Wolski...

...see? Fits right in ;)

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Hmmm... I don't like this.

I always post under im.thatoneguy or im_thatoneguy for consistency across the internet. It's tied to more things than my actual real name. Oh well. I guess I can just flip my sig and my username.

[Eki Halkka]

It's tied to more things than my actual real name. Oh well. I guess I can just flip my sig and my username.

I suppose it's enough to have your real name in the sig? Recognizability is what it's for, after all?

...i'm in a similar situation as you, i'm "Halsu" all over the web.

[David Wyatt]

Hallelujah...this is a great move (and there are some really weak excuses here for not making this change...lol)

[Patrick Tresch]

:matrix: Revolutions always started with hidden faces.

Uncovering the true identety is certainly a way to calm people down. A law in Switzerland wants to forbid the use of hood on demonstrations. It's a way of getting discussion to a mainstream level.

What is considered as a danger in the street should not be implemented in a independent forum. Anyway, the trouble maker will always be banned on this forum and this doesn't take much time.

I am conviced that a free society has to take the risk of free speach and free opinions even if they can represent a danger for the society it self, with or without hidden faces.

Patrick Tresch
Switzerand


PS1: As a child I was facinated by ZORRO!:matrix:

PS2: Next step : put the ID foto of the user

PS3: I always signed "tresch" do I have to change anything?

[Joe Walker]

Wow, I go away from here and come back and the real names policy has finally been put in place. Thank you RED team, this has been long overdue.

[Jason Ramsey]

Ok... Jarred's tired of changing all of the names, I think. :)

You guys can pm me for your name changes.

Later,
Jason

[Hans von Sonntag]

After the infamous 13th Nov. a lot of noise attacked reduser and I gues beacuse of that Jarred took the opportunity to change the from whatever to real names.

Good move!

First name "Hans", family name "von Sonntag". Very German.

[Stuart English]

Hehe, who can pronounciate my name?

I can, and Rob certainly can!

Tot ziens

[jaadgy akanni]

Funny thing, the VFX and 3D animation community knows me as nutman for over a decade and I had that nickname attached to me since 3rd grade because it is the litteral translation of my surname in English.... I always fix people's grammar to make it readable


BTW, "literal" is spelled with only one "T"..heheh


Jaadgy is pronounced "JAH-JEE"

[Ed Watkins]

Great news, I always use my own name... it stops the daemons from having their way with my keyboard.

[Jorge Díaz-Amador]

What if your screen name is your company name, but not your personal name (as in my case)?

[Irmeli R]

we'd like to know too jarred..sent you a PM yesterday

[Emery Wells]

I wholeheartedly support this idea Jarred. We don't hide our identity from people we interact with in the real world so why should anyone feel it is necessary to do it here?

My experience has been that forums who require real names tend to be infinitely more respectful. To that end, the most respectful message board I have ever been a member of required both your real name and a real picture of your mug. Im not sure Reduser wants to take it that far but you'd be amazed at how the tone changes when you could easily be spotted out at NAB for being an ass.

[C.H.Haskell]

I notice Mark of OffHollywood was able to change his "member status" (under your name) to his company name...can we do this or is that some special moderator treat?

[Zac C]

I notice Mark of OffHollywood was able to change his "member status" (under your name) to his company name...can we do this or is that some special moderator treat?

First!

You Must find me a Shrubbery! one thats nice, not to expensive...


then get back to Jarred

[jpp]

On balance, it's sure to improve the quality of the discussion, but real names will also have at least one unintended consequence: there will be even fewer actual writer/directors coming here, as opposed to the tech and producing side. And that means even fewer people in the community who actually know cinema.

To take the example everyone recognizes and appreciates, David Mullen's post are an extension of his work and posting under his own name gives the information a value and reliability it couldn't otherwise have. But it's also true that David doesn't have to worry that a discussion of anamorphic distortion or Pro Mist filters is going to damage his career.

But a writer/director, even an obscure one, who has to go out begging for money and kissing industry ass, is unlikely to post forthrightly here on sensitive subjects under his own name. That may be all to the good, reducing discussions which are largely irrelevant to Red technology. But that absence may also diminish the community. Don't know to what extent anyone cares or remembers, but that phantom "jpp" has said things here about the American independent film establishment which, believe it or not, can't be found anywhere else in print or on the web, at least not to the best of my knowledge. For whatever those posts may be worth, anonymity made them possible.

And I'd take it one step further: far from discouraging this kind of participation with real names, I wish Red would actually hire a few such people, to put the "cinema" back into Red Digital Cinema, and do what companies like Apple, Sony, Panny, the Sundance Institute and the major studios have never done and will never do: lose a million or two a year on feature films not dependent on the approval of the usual indie suspects -- in other words, a cinema which originates with filmmakers, rather than producers and investors.

But that's a pipe dream. Anyway, it was fun here while it lasted....

[David Wilson]

Excellent effort here... and my "real name" is as whitebread and boring as they get.

[Jarred Land]

I notice Mark of OffHollywood was able to change his "member status" (under your name) to his company name...can we do this or is that some special moderator treat?

Thats an advertiser treat :)

[C.H.Haskell]

FIRE CHIEF! Fine I will just change my business name to "senior member" :D

[A. Bastaki]

I like real names... but i am sure going to miss out on the freedom i had as akube. lol.

[Gregory Karydis]

jpp has a point.
Double accounts sounds like the only solution but that is usually frowned upon...
Unless RED grants a second account on a case by case basis. (which sounds ok)
Bear in mind an admin or moderator can find all accounts that use the same IP.
So at the first sign of abuse they can ban you on the spot.
But that means more work for Jarred and firends....

As for the financing thing, I have an idea we can discuss in some other thread if you like.
Let me know.

[Peter Majtan]

Maybe it's his "porn" Name :)

Spot on!!!

http://www.derylgroup.com/downloads/KETCHFRAME/SIRENS/BTS.jpg

:) Peter

[KETCH ROSSi]

I have joust googled Mr. Ketch Rossi ! BINGO !
Try yourself !

Hoops, can't hide anymore!!



Yeah, right - like James is a real name... I am sure Your real name is 馬鹿

:)

Hehe, Peter, be careful He might do a Japanese google and find out what those signs really mean!


Maybe it's his "porn" Name :)

I wish!


why this insistence towards his name?.. KETCH is one of the most decent guys i ever met here.. why this replay?.. seems quite offensive.. offending him you're offending many others..

Truly touched by your comment and support.


FMG...who ever you are!!...we respect/love Ketch well here. I'd be surprised if he was offended.

chill dude.....

NO offense taken David, you are right, I can handle a bit more then this, hehe, and thanks for standing in. Also touched by your comment and support.


Pardon me. But Ketch's post looks like a little bit uncomfortable.

Not sure I understand Cristina, that is actually my problem, I'm never uncomfortable about anything, been thru too much in my life to worry about the little things, hehe.


To be clear, my comment was supposed to be humorous as opposed to -less, and I hope I didn't offend the man himself !

They were humorous, no arm done here.


I'm Just pulling your leg Ketch - It a great cinematographer name (Which, as a rule, should sound unusual, foreign &, most importantly, expensive) -

Upon hearing the name one should immediately think "wow, I haven't even seen his stuff but already he sounds insanely costly - can we even afford him?"

To wit - see the following staggeringly expensive list.


Darius Khondji, Vilmos Zsigmond, Janusz Kaminski, Andrzej Bartkowiak, Emmanuel Lubezki, Phedon Papamichael, Ketch Rossi, Harris Savides, Dariusz Wolski...

...see? Fits right in ;)

Thanks, I like the sound of your post, hehe.


Spot on!!!

:) Peter

Peter, if you don't stop posting that pic, I'll not introduce any of the girls to you... ever again!!! HEHE!:devil:



ciao

[Nick Ambrose]

Spot on!!!


:) Peter


Now we're talking!

[jpp]

I'm taking shameful advantage of my short-lived anonymous standing to rudely point out that the direction of this thread is the most damning evidence anyone could ask for that real names, and an even more insular community, could actually make things worse here.

[Gregory Karydis]

The facts speak for themselves...
Maybe unlike the rest of the users, a few exceptions should have their ID changed from real name to some random username...
Perhaps that will subdue them a bit.

[C.H.Haskell]

I step away for a second and return to find Ketch has been revealed! The look is priceless. Hope all is well Ketch.

[MadamImAdam]

There are many legitimate reasons for someone to withhold their real name on a public forum. Pseudonyms do not necessarily mask a nefarious hidden agenda.

Ask any woman who's been stalked, for example, if she feels like using her real name on a public forum. Or someone whose politics are the opposite of his boss's politics -- and his boss likes to Google his employees' names. Or someone with a prominent name like David Mullen's, who, unlike the generous David Mullen, isn't willing to deal with the extra pm's, job requests, etc. that will surely come.

However, there are very good reasons for declaring a forum a "real names" forum as well. It's a judgment call -- you'll lose some people with good reasons for posting pseudonymously, but you also lose those with bad reasons. Red's made the judgment call that the net quality of content on reduser will go up by eliminating pseudonyms. I can't say I know they're wrong.

[donatello b]

could you define "real names" ?

would be that birth certificate name, work/credit name, legal name,
name X-mate calls you , name we bought RED under, name on driver license ,
name on credit cards? name that can ge googled ? etc. etc. etc ??????

[Stephen Williams]

could you define "real names" ?

name we bought RED under??

Hi,

I like that LOL.

Stephen

[Johann V]

I think it would be nice if there was a "name"-field that only logged-in users could see. I don't like to be googleable by everyone, and I certainly don't want my online nickname and my real name linked for everybody to see.
What I don't mind is for people on the forums I write on to know it, though.

So – as I joined this forum just to be able to properly read the posts here anyway (at least for now) – if it will become mandatory to display your real name here I'd rather be deleted again... :sad:

Jojo

[Manfred Lopez]

I am one who worries about Google's power of recollection. A lot of potential clients google me and usually find articles on me and my work. I once made the mistake of typing out my name here and... bam... that was suddenly what came up in new searches. Right now I have my Variety article back as my number one search result under my name, and I'd like to keep it that way.

I really like the feeling of community here, but I feel that I couldn't post as freely as I'd like if I always have to worry that future clients are going to be reading about my questions on Red or whatever... It could give off the impression that I have no Idea what I'm doing. (Potential Client: "What? He's learning about Red and Epic from an Internet forum??? What an amateur!")

I therefore propose that we are allowed to attach our real names as an image like this:

Real Name: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s313/manfredlopez/Real_Name_2.jpg

So, Jarred, can you turn image linking on in the signature?

[jpp]

Red's made the judgment call that the net quality of content on reduser will go up by eliminating pseudonyms. I can't say I know they're wrong.

I'd pretty much agree, but would also note that Reduser is a favor the public does Red, not a favor Red does the public.

A real names policy is probably best on a professional site. But a commercial site like this one, with a singular focus on the products of one company, is likely to suffer in quality as a result. With this new policy, the company is demanding something of a loyalty oath, whether that was the intention or not. And not everyone is prepared to take that oath.

But it's a good reason to leave the Red obsession, purge reduser.net from one's bookmarks, and do some real work for a change. Camera obsessions are evil!

[chuck colburn]

This is all quite silly.

[Jonathan Smiles]

Real names is good thing on a professional forum.

Jarred please change my account to my name, thanks.

[Caesar]

So, isn't this a commercial site anymore?

[Jarred Land]

Heh heh.. well there is 8 hours of changing usernames that I will never get back :)

Jason is gonna take over so I can take a breather.. Send your name change request to him by clicking this link:

JASON RAMSEY (http://www.reduser.net/forum/private.php?do=newpm&u=84)

[Jarred Land]

So, isn't this a commercial site anymore?

not sure what you mean by that....

[Raul Gonzo]

I had no idea there were so many people registered.
Can anyone say how many people joined since the 13th?

[Caesar]

Dear Jarred,

Seems to me you shouldn't close your doors to outside.

I took the definition from there:
A real names policy is probably best on a professional site. But a commercial site like this one

You made dvxuser. You made reduser. Don't lose your market. Just a friendly advice from an older fellow.

Caesar

[Jason Ramsey]

We're not closing any doors. Just asking folks to be accountable for their words and to be willing to stand behind what they say with their real name.

There are only a few instances when a real name might not be warranted, and in those cases, we can deal with it on an individual basis.

Later,
Jason

[Gregory Karydis]

Jason better make a note about that and make it visible during registration.

[Manfred Lopez]

I am one who worries about Google's power of recollection. A lot of potential clients google me and usually find articles on me and my work. I once made the mistake of typing out my name here and... bam... that was suddenly what came up in new searches. Right now I have my Variety article back as my number one search result under my name, and I'd like to keep it that way.

I really like the feeling of community here, but I feel that I couldn't post as freely as I'd like if I always have to worry that future clients are going to be reading about my questions on Red or whatever... It could give off the impression that I have no Idea what I'm doing. (Potential Client: "What? He's learning about Red and Epic from an Internet forum??? What an amateur!")

I therefore propose that we are allowed to attach our real names as an image like this:

Real Name: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s313/manfredlopez/Real_Name_2.jpg

So, Jarred, can you turn image linking on in the signature?

It seems that my question got lost for being the last post on a page. So here goes again?

Can we use a pic to show our name to keep it away from Google?

[Caesar]

We're not closing any doors. Just asking folks to be accountable for their words and to be willing to stand behind what they say with their real name.

There are only a few instances when a real name might not be warranted, and in those cases, we can deal with it on an individual basis.

Later,
JasonIn my opinion, there a few of elistist people who would like to see this project as their own camera provider.

For satisfying them, others will be out. Saying to these ones what they can do for buying Epic is not even a way...

The price range has changed. I am Red customer. I wouldn't be if I had found you now. Why? Seems to me you are too much focused on a protectionism program.

I can imagine a few of you don't appreciate my words. Just my opinion, though. Sorry. I'm not here to please you.

In my opinion, You have been losing the initial spirit.

[jpp]

We're not closing any doors. Just asking folks to be accountable for their words and to be willing to stand behind what they say with their real name.

There's a lot to be said for accountability, but it's also true that there's already a ton of crap here posted under real names.

The actual result of this policy is likely to be an even narrower range of discussion. But what the hell.... Nobody blames you for trying, or altering the site to serve company interests, whatever the reason may be. Besides, any policy that gets rid of number6 and me on the same day has a lot going for it....:usd:

[Fredrik Callinggard]

It seems that my question got lost for being the last post on a page. So here goes again?

Can we use a pic to show our name to keep it away from Google?

I vote for that. I've never thought about it and googled myself and it's reduser all over.

[KETCH ROSSi]

I step away for a second and return to find Ketch has been revealed! The look is priceless. Hope all is well Ketch.

:) Thanks all is well here apart from Peter continuing to post that pic:)

But now I just realized that I posted again... myself:)

On the way to edit my post...

ciao

[Patrick Tresch]

Just asking folks to be accountable for their words and to be willing to stand behind what they say with their real name.


:angry03: We are not Al-Qaîda!!!:ph34r:

This is not the way a forum gains more credibility.

My 2 cents.

Patrick


PS: I like JPP comments... it would be great not loosing him or her... or it?:)

[Jarred Land]

Jason better make a note about that and make it visible during registration.

registration update was updated yesterday.

[Jarred Land]

Dear Jarred,

Seems to me you shouldn't close your doors to outside.

I took the definition from there:

You made dvxuser. You made reduser. Don't lose your market. Just a friendly advice from an older fellow.

Caesar

not closing the doors to the outside.. this is my house and i just wanna know who i'm letting in the door.

As i said.. people that dont like it, can go over to Scarletuser that has a more relaxed name policy.

[Andrew Martin]

Thanks for doing mine Jarred, appreciate it and all that you guys do.

Andrew

[SalaTar]

And you will let the door open as I do own a RED?

[Gregory Karydis]

Jarred I know the registration page asks for a real name and states the policy.
I was talking about the possible exception to the rule upon request.
Jason said

There are only a few instances when a real name might not be warranted, and in those cases, we can deal with it on an individual basis.

[Mark Thorpe]

I like the idea of an image with your name on it in our signature. Seems we are still waiting for an answer on that one. How about it Jarred?

Cheers,
Mark.
'The poster formerly known as CamDiver'

[Manfred Lopez]

Yes, we'd like an answer on the name-on-an-image idea... So how about it, Jarred?

Posted by:

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s313/manfredlopez/Real_Name_2.jpg

[Gregory Karydis]

TheThe, it is much more complicated than requesting to use a screen-name on a case by case basis.

[Lexicon]

I think going to "Real Names" is a good idea, particularly with all the smack talking trolls who post here under multiple names but at the same time I understand the concerns of heavy-handed censorship (which some have associated with this forum due to the "fanboy" element) and lack of privacy. In my case, it's not really a problem because if you were to "Google" my name, you would actually come up with absolutely nothing that really came from me simply because I have no real web footprint except for a few things here and there which don't reveal anything at all. I do have a Facebook page (which isn't filled with dozens of beautiful women like Jarred's page) but that's about it. I think the only thing I could really nitpick about what has been happening since I've taken notice of RED is the way RED products get hyped up on the Internet. I don't think the products are over-hyped at all by RED but rather every little bit of information that comes out from the man himself, the other RED peeps, or someone like Offhollywood rolls into a bigger ball of hyped expectations by someone who makes too much of it or takes it grossly out of context which is what causes a lot of friction between the fanboys and the trolls/naysayers. That is the unfortunate problem with being so open as RED and it's fabulous employees have been and I really think it's part of a learning experience for everyone involved. So, thanks for being different RED folks.

[donatello b]

lets see, i google a name ...
many times i then see a map of where you live & i get a aerial view( who's that sitting on your deck?) .. next to it i can click to find the value of your house ... usually i get your phone number ... from your post i know what equipment you have ( post also show up on google) .... many times i'll get your age , family member names & relatives pop up ...

so when is the final day that we can post using only our 1st names ???

[Manfred Lopez]

TheThe, it is much more complicated than requesting to use a screen-name on a case by case basis.

I am not the one asking for that. I am asking if I can comply with the Real Name Policy by using a jpeg to show my name to keep it away from Google. In order to do so Jarred would have to turn on image linking in the signature panel.

[Gregory Karydis]

You know you can have any image as your avatar...

[Kevin Wild]

Guys, DVInfo.net has been on a "real names" only basis since they began. I don't hear anything about all of them getting robbed. You are overreacting to this concept...

I also LOVE the way there is a lot less pollution on that site. Using real names absolutely keeps the junk off the boards. I'm a HUGE proponent of it.

And I would like to hereby point out that I do not have anything of value in my house...it is empty and void of anything of any worth whatsoever. :-)

[Manfred Lopez]

You know you can have any image as your avatar...

Yes... but I like to also have pretty little pictures. Why can't we just enable signature image linking?

[Daniel Browning]

I therefore propose that we are allowed to attach our real names as an image like this:

Real Name: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s313/manfredlopez/Real_Name_2.jpg


Manfred,

Anyone responding to your post might spell your name out (like I did). Also anyone who knows your name and wants to refer you specifically, for example:


Are you talking about Daniel Browning, the Software Engineer in Portland that posts on Reduser?

No, I'm referring to Daniel "The Rubber Boy" Browning Smith, the contortionist; the first hit on Google.

[Irmeli R]

> No, I'm referring to Daniel "The Rubber Boy" Browning Smith, the contortionist; the first hit on Google.

espresso's squirting out of my nose. i should have learned by now that reading posts on reduser and drinking at the same time is a bad idea :D

[Manfred Lopez]

Manfred,

Anyone responding to your post might spell your name out (like I did). Also anyone who knows your name and wants to refer you specifically, for example:

Yes, but like you did, they would probably only use my first name, thereby making very unlikely that Google would top-rank that specific post. I don't mind people knowing who I am, I just don't want anyone typing my full name in Google to first see Reduser posts. There is plenty of other, better stuff on me out there. This whole Google ranking thing is a very unfortunate byproduct of the instant-information age, INHO.

[Caesar]

not closing the doors to the outside.. this is my house and i just wanna know who i'm letting in the door.

As i said.. people that dont like it, can go over to Scarletuser that has a more relaxed name policy.I can understand your point very well. Besides, scarletuser is not tailored for the typical Red customer.

What I've been noticing lately is the change on your market policy. Restricting your native market (typical dvxuser) to a more elitist core business.

It implies less customers, higher prices. The opposite I would like to see on your side. From your side.

[Peter Mosiman]

I am excited.

[Mark Thorpe]

Maybe an Avatar with the name would be OK so as not to get detected by search engine inquiries into one's name?? I understand there are people around who prefer a certain level of anonymity, I can't see a problem with that.

Cheers,
Mark.

[I Bloom]

The purpose of not having a handle rather than a real name has never been for me to hide my identity from people on this site, but instead to limit the extent of google searches for my real name. This is a good policy across the internet as it limits the data mining efforts of countless identity thieves across the internet.

Making me use my real name is going to limit the amount of contributions I want to make to this site. I'm sorry. I feel very strongly about this. I believe you would be well advised Jarred to verify the identities of people contributing to RedUser for the purposes of limiting spam and trolling. But by forcing everyones names to be public I believe you are making a rather drastic mistake.

IBloom

[Robert Frank]

The purpose of not having a handle rather than a real name has never been for me to hide my identity from people on this site, but instead to limit the extent of google searches for my real name. This is a good policy across the internet as it limits the data mining efforts of countless identity thieves across the internet.

Making me use my real name is going to limit the amount of contributions I want to make to this site. I'm sorry. I feel very strongly about this. I believe you would be well advised Jarred to verify the identities of people contributing to RedUser for the purposes of limiting spam and trolling. But by forcing everyones names to be public I believe you are making a rather drastic mistake.

IBloom

I'm all for registering (privately) using the same info that I use to log in to the RED store. I have no problem verifying my identity to those who matter.

Can we make some sort of policy that camera owners can use a handle if they register using the same info that RED uses that is tied to their camera serial number?

[Emanuel A.]

Maybe an Avatar with the name would be OK so as not to get detected by search engine inquiries into one's name?? I understand there are people around who prefer a certain level of anonymity, I can't see a problem with that.

Cheers,
Mark.Mark,

Why not only the first name plus the surname's initial? Or a middle name? (my_case@cinematography.com, for instance).

Emanuel :-)

[Emanuel A.]

I'm all for registering (privately) using the same info that I use to log in to the RED store. I have no problem verifying my identity to those who matter.

Can we make some sort of policy that camera owners can use a handle if they register using the same info that RED uses that is tied to their camera serial number?There are a lot of RED users who don't or won't own one.

[Mark Thorpe]

Mark,

Why not only the first name plus the surname's initial? Or a middle name? (my_case@cinematography.com, for instance).

Emanuel :-)I can live with that too mate. For the very real reasons that ibloom also noted above I think this plan should be revised.

Cheers,
Mark Peter John Steven James Hogswidth-Thorpe VI :w00t:

[Robert Frank]

There are a lot of RED users who don't or won't own one.

I was proposing it as an option for camera owners only. If you own a RED camera, there is a pretty good chance you are here for constructive purposes.

[Jarred Land]

Mark,

Why not only the first name plus the surname's initial? Or a middle name? (my_case@cinematography.com, for instance).

Emanuel :-)

Middle name is fine... Middle name + Last name. Or First initial plus Last name.

You guys are taking this way too seriously...

[Jarred Land]

The purpose of not having a handle rather than a real name has never been for me to hide my identity from people on this site, but instead to limit the extent of google searches for my real name. This is a good policy across the internet as it limits the data mining efforts of countless identity thieves across the internet.

Making me use my real name is going to limit the amount of contributions I want to make to this site. I'm sorry. I feel very strongly about this. I believe you would be well advised Jarred to verify the identities of people contributing to RedUser for the purposes of limiting spam and trolling. But by forcing everyones names to be public I believe you are making a rather drastic mistake.

IBloom

Sorry Ian.. no offense but your argument is a little hypocritical to me, only because of who you are and what you do. You are selling a product online to my members. Directly. You are making money off this site, and when something goes wrong with a transaction, That customer sometimes gets mad at me.. people sometimes make a connection between a 3rd party they find on here and REDUSER. Just the nature of the beast. And Im ok with that, which is why we have our advertising policy.

If you are selling something to my members, they deserve to know who they are really dealing with. Its a two way street. You can't have the whole cake and eat it too..

Also.. you have no problem promoting your " REAL NAME " through direct links that contain your full real name, that are quite visible in every single one of your posts. If someone wanted to know your name, it wouldn't be that hard to figure out.

But ironically.. your Handle would be ok with a space or underscore between the "I" and the "Bloom".

I love you man.. and your software kicks ass and helps alot of RED customers. Don't take this personal.

[Mitch Gross]

Like David Mullen, I've been using my proper name on forums and mailing lists for well over a decade. I have absolutely no problem with it, and Googling my name still turns up a couple of other Mitch Gross' along with me (a fashion designer, a Councilman, an electric company exec, a software designer, etc.).

I will tell you one side-effect of using my name all these years, something unintentional but welcome. I'm known by a lot of people. Without trying to, it became a form of self-promotion that I never could have purchased in any form. I meet manufacturers who know of me, work with crews who recognize my name. I've met more than a few very talented ASC members and others who are famous or certainly well-regarded in their field and am stunned when they know who I am. Years of chiming in, trying to share knowledge and be helpful to others actually garnered me a bit of stature beyond my actual work. As long as I can live up to it that's great, and I never intended it to be this way. Certainly David Mullen has the career he does because of his fine work and other aspects of his personality, all in addition to his encyclopedic cinema knowledge and cheerful willingness to teach and inform others. But it sure don't hurt.

Every day I get emails, phone calls or in person greetings from people who tell me that they "read my posts all the time" on some forum or another. It sure has not hurt me in any way that I've always used my real name.

[I Bloom]

Sorry Ian.. no offense but your argument is a little hypocritical to me, only because of who you are and what you do. You are selling a product online to my members. Directly. You are making money off this site, and when something goes wrong with a transaction, That customer sometimes gets mad at me.. people sometimes make a connection between a 3rd party they find on here and REDUSER. Just the nature of the beast. And Im ok with that, which is why we have our advertising policy.

If you are selling something to my members, they deserve to know who they are really dealing with. Its a two way street. You can't have the whole cake and eat it too..

Also.. you have no problem promoting your " REAL NAME " through direct links that contain your full real name, that are quite visible in every single one of your posts. If someone wanted to know your name, it wouldn't be that hard to figure out.

But ironically.. your Handle would be ok with a space or underscore between the "I" and the "Bloom".

I love you man.. and your software kicks ass and helps alot of RED customers. Don't take this personal.

No worries.
It's not Red or Crimson customers I'm worried about. They all have my friggin cell number :)
I just think it's advisable to limit the amount that your real name appears on the internet in an easily searchable form. For the purpose of personal privacy. Signatures are dynamically created so they are ignored by google.

Anyways, I just finished a fifteen hour day so maybe I'm overreacting.

I.Bloom

[Robert Frank]

I just think it's advisable to limit the amount that your real name appears on the internet in an easily searchable form. For the purpose of personal privacy. Signatures are dynamically created so they are ignored by google.

This is my thinking also.

[Mark Thorpe]

It's that simple. A small .jpg or image file not to exceed x size, as per an avatar and allow that in the signature. Maybe a probation period for new members until they are seen as having a bona fide interest in the discussions here. Already senior members of REDUser, c'mon admin, you know who we are, why should the rest of the World??

i.e Google 'CamDiver' and you'll see my point. I set out a few years ago to create that identity for almost all of my web presence for the very same reasons as discussed here. A search under my real name reveals almost zero information on my work and ID, and thats pretty much how I would prefer it to be if possible.

Cheers,
Mark.

[Hrvoje Simic]

I don't think that majority here wanted to hide their identity.



I believe you would be well advised Jarred to verify the identities of people contributing to RedUser for the purposes of limiting spam and trolling. But by forcing everyones names to be public I believe you are making a rather drastic mistake.
IBloom

I think this is a typical example where few people screw up and all the rest have to accept the consequences.

I just checked my name on Google and it lists one software engineer, which I'm not, one teenager, which I'm not, and one investment banker which I'm not also. Being wrongfully interpreted is pretty tricky in a place like this. Combined with the fact that my name is pretty hard to pronounce and remember to the mostly english speaking crowd here, and all the consequences which that brings, I don't think this move does a favor to all users.
After being here for two years and posting with this logo and nick.

I will accept this if it's a rule now...okay....but I don't think it is a coincidence that you guys decided this soon after Scarlet/Epic announcement and all the posting which followed. I think you guys got pissed from the stupid posts (again), and now think this will solve anything, which it won't. You could have just added tags to problematic members as blacklisted or something with IP address checked by mods.

Nick's we could choose had a creative touch and gave a special feel to Reduser. Now it get's more sterile and uptight. If that is the direction you want to go, fine.

Hanging from the basket and sudden forcing real names seems like a clash to me.
I preferred the original version, Jarred. I loved you guys for that type of mentality.
I don't think I like the police type.

[Sanjin Jukic]

I do not have a panic, paranoia in public about my or others real name(s) online.

Also I sent request(PM) for change but probably that takes time.

[John Redfern]

I welcome real names. It's always nice to know who you are talking to and about. When I signed up I put a 'handle' because it looked the form here, but I always put my name in posts. I've looked several times to change in options but no option to change so this is a good plan. I'm in.

John Redfern

[Johann Schulz]

I've always given my real name in my signature, though only my first, and my handle was to honour my father's pen-name when he wrote before he died. Without getting too mellow-D, I have no probs with my real name. I'm in your house and you set the rules. It's just, well, so professional-like! How about any handle you want plus real signature?.... (Too late!)

[Patric Ralston]

If you really need my name to enhance the reduser experience that's fine. PM sent.

Patric FAVAMAN Ralston

[Sarah C.]

(edited)

Mostly, I do not mind meeting and working with people from RedUser.net. I have gotten unsolicited non-professional PM's and I really don't want to encourage further contact here or elsewhere by such individuals by posting my real name.

~Sarah

[Jorge Díaz-Amador]

Still curious to know if a company name can be your screen name (ideal for one-man-bands like me).

Another nice option would be to switch to real names, but allow proprietors of Red-related and support businesses to replace "Senior Member" with their company name, the way Reduser Sponsors have. Or perhaps charge a small annual fee for that privilege (not much guys, we're in a recession here). Kind of a mini-sponsorship.

As far as google, if you search my name, there are four pages of good hits on my name. All are either my website, forum posts, movies I've worked on, etc. There is no way you can keep your name a secret on the internet if you are trying to promote a business. But what can an identity thief do with just a name?

Also, I set up my myspace account without showing my real name (didn't want google finding that which is not business-related). But my facebook account obviously shows my real name. Yet the facebook stuff does not show up in searches. I'm sure reduser could limit what google searches if they desired.

[Steve Sherrick]

I'm actually going to have to consider not participating here any longer.

Mostly, I do not mind meeting and working with people from RedUser.net. Occasionally I get unsolicited non-professional PM's and I really don't want to encourage further contact here or elsewhere by such individuals by posting my real name.

~Sarah
(one less girl here soon)

Hmm...didn't think of that possibility. Mostly guys on here, so never thought about the harassment possibility. I guess the hope would be that everyone acted professionally or at the very least, respectfully. But sounds like that has not been your experience.

[Michael Hastings]

Jarred:

I don't personally have a problem with my user name being my real name as it is fairly well known on the threads I frequent and my sig has my cell number so it is pretty easy to find out, but I can see why a lot of people would feel more strongly about, and I have to admit I like the fact that I have a little bit of a buffer between my user name and my real name.

I do think it is time that REDUSER has some limitations on access but I think you should evaluate this policy carefully.

Like Ian, I get some great leads from REDUSER for which I am very appreciative (and I really do keep meaning to talk to you about advertising) so please don't take this as hypocritical. Besides the issue lilRED raises, I just feel, like ian, that privacy in the modern world is getting very tough to maintain and anything you do to limit your generalized exposure on the internet can be a good thing for a lot of people.

For instance, I just posted on another REDUSER thread that I frequent that I just got married and in another post included her name, but now that I think about it that may not be the greatest idea - just because the more info you have out there, the easier it is for someone with no business, and possible bad intent, to put things together - and while we aren't anonymous they can be.

[Jarred Land]

Still curious to know if a company name can be your screen name (ideal for one-man-bands like me).


talk to Jason.. he takes care of Advertising requests.

[Caesar]

I do think it is time that REDUSER has some limitations on access but I think you should evaluate this policy carefully. And why? Such way is not in any way recommendable. The more people, the more sales. More affordable prices.

[Michael Hastings]

Jarred:

I'll talk to Jason. Re: Jorge's post, does that mean a company name would be OK.

BTW I know this is a tough one with no perfect answer - so support you whatever way you decide.

[Spike Baumann]

Spike is my working name that everyone uses and knows me as.

[Irmeli R]

when is the deadline? just curious how many days we who will not comply have left..thanx in advance

[Christian Edwards]

Jarred,
May i be as bold as to suggest a separate section/forum for advertised users to sign into so as to dismiss any confusion about 3rd parties and their relation to Red Digital & Redusers alike .This could also prove to be a great resource tool for prospective clients of 3rd party companies respectively, not to mention clearing the Reduser forum of much clutter whilst still maintaining rapport with individuals and their respective companies


cheers,

Christian

p.s hope your getting some 28k footage of the fires for smoke jumpers

[Ariana]

Jarred,
May i be as bold as to suggest a separate section/forum for advertised users to sign into so as to dismiss any confusion about 3rd parties and their relation to Red Digital & Redusers alike .This could also prove to be a great resource tool for prospective clients of 3rd party companies respectively, not to mention clearing the Reduser forum of much clutter whilst still maintaining rapport with individuals and their respective companies


cheers,

Christian

p.s hope your getting some 28k footage of the fires for smoke jumpers


Or ranking for users and filtering/rating for posts? camera owners, power users, are high, unnamed users are low?

[Mitch Gross]

Or ranking for users and filtering/rating for posts? camera owners, power users, are high, unnamed users are low?

Sounds a little Animal Farm to me.

"Some animals are more equal than others."

[Jorge Díaz-Amador]

talk to Jason.. he takes care of Advertising requests.

Thanks Jared. Will do.

Regarding LilRed's post, we need to accept that this is a real problem, just not something that guys have to deal with. Women tell me all the time about the creepy e-mails they get off myspace, and especially off dating sites (hint: if you send a really lame e-mail they will forward it to all their friends). Haven't heard of problems on facebook though, probably because of the access controls (can't see a profile if you are not a friend unless it's open).

Considering that an all-male forum is not what we want, there should be some way to help protect the privacy and safety of the female members. Hate to say it, but there are some real whack-jobs out there.

[Mitch Gross]

Well, Jarred did say that one could use a first or middle initial and then a full last name. M. Gross doesn't tell anyone male or female.

[Meryem Ersoz]

Or you could use a middle name or tweak your first or last name so that it is not recognizable with a google search.

A shout-out to Jarred or Jason or whoever it was that restored my identity...thanks for fixing that, guys...

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Welcome back, Meryem. :)

Anyway, I was a bit shocked about what LilRed said about the unwelcomed PM's. This is a professional users' site and members should act accordingly. There is a certain level of conduct that is expected and I think if anyone experiences unsolicited PM's that are spam, offensive, intrusive, etc.. these incidents should be reported so that proper action can be taken.

I will leave it for Jarred or Jason to clarify, but unlike personal emails, I believe that private messages on these forums actually remain the property of reduser.net. So that could be one more potential incentive for people to behave themselves.

[Tobias Roediger]

Dang this will be confusing to everyone who knows me on many, many forums as Velk :bye2:

[Jarred Land]

just put Velk in your Signature :)

[MadamImAdam]

I was a bit shocked about what LilRed said about the unwelcomed PM's.

I too am shocked, shocked that a 99%-male forum centered around whose equipment is the best would contain socially inept men who make women uncomfortable with inappropriate communication.

(Less sarcastically, the real-names rule may cut down on X% of this kind of communication, as anonymity does tend to make socially inept men into bolder socially inept men.)

[RivaiC]

LilRed, i hope you can give the name out here, so the community will know who is this guy. This is a shame to the community.

[FMG battery]

I too am shocked, shocked that a 99%-male forum centered around whose equipment is the best would contain socially inept men who make women uncomfortable with inappropriate communication.agreed.. Ladies are like flowers. :love:

[Sarah C.]

Thanks for your support, guys...

Agreed, when "men" hide behind a made-up name it's not a good thing. I won't bother with the details, but I didn't find either worthy enough to be brought to the admin/moderators' attention. They have not done anything more so it is very much history to me. I'm going to work something out with Jason so that I can continue to hang out with all the fine guys who know how to behave here on RedUser. :)

~Sarah

[Martin Weiss]

Glad to hear, lilred.

(and don't anyone check my name on wikipedia. This thread actually got me to google myself, and amazing to see the body of work I've already done... Financing, music, a professor, and apparently I am even working with cameras. Sometimes it is good to have a not too uncommon name...)

Anyway, I very much welcome this decision of everyone giving their real names.

[M Hsu]

I want to be called Loretta

I'm not oppressing you, Paul. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!

[Johann Schulz]

LilRed, just report it if it happens again. Men are often so dense a little wakeup call straightens them out. If they're worse than bad, they should
be banned immediately. But please don't abandon us, as diversity in creativity leads to much better storytelling and a greater experience of life for all of us.

You may be part of only 5 or 10% of the forum, but you're giving a voice to half the population of the world! Good luck with your sig! :matrix:

[Mark Thorpe]

Sorry to hear that LilRed.

OK, this is a valid point. I have just received SPAM mail through my PM feature here. The sender was using a Nickname. He must have been a new user with 1 post to his name. Where's the real name policy applied to this clown especially seeing as he's clearly abusing his Forum etiquette?

I deleted the mail but it was one of those "Earn $100 a day rom 30 minutes online" touts...

Admin?

Cheers,
Mark.

[Dominique Grenier]

Yeah I got that PM too, weird... I went ahead, all they wanted was my credit card number to start sending money my way. To think I've been working all those years...

[Jeff Kilgroe]

The spammers are bots, guys...

Not sure what can be done there, it's frustrating, I know. As soon as one gets deleted/banned, another pops up. Most of these bots only makes a handful of posts before they dump one account and create another.

Obviously the bot is familiar with the vBulletin software used here. And it doesn't appear to be spamming admins or moderators for obvious reasons.

[Brent J. Craig]

Yeah I got that PM too, weird... I went ahead, all they wanted was my credit card number to start sending money my way. To think I've been working all those years...

Yeah. I gave all those guys my credit card numbers. They said that they would check to see if one of them was lucky! I'm so excited - I could win!!!

Admins, any idea why there is suddenly so much spam here?!? I would think increasing identity requirements would scare the spammers away.

[Mark Thorpe]

I've been on some forums where one is put in a 'probationary' category with no PM rights until a certain number or posts have been made, 20 in the most drastic case. Maybe that would be a suitable agenda for RedUser? I do not see it as chastising any new members, just as a way of guaranteeing their presence as being bona fide.

Cheers,
Mark.

[Axel Mertes]

Damn it,

that weren't your real names all the time?

If I knew that before...

Axel

[AntonyCASAFilms]

Hey Number6..no problem. you can live on to be Number6 over at Scarletuser.com.

in a couple weeks, the voluntary will switch to mandatory.

OOC, how will you know what new members REAL names are?

How can you tell if John Smith is really Fred West?

Also OOC, why do you want to show people's real names on reduser but not on scarletuser?

It all seems very odd.

I guess in 2 weeks I will become John Doe :-)

[Lexicon]

I need a cooler real name.

[mezmo]

Damage has already been done with those who use real names on the internet.

If some of you intend to raise money for the production of films and post on a regular
basis to this and other forums using real names you are foolish IMHO.
A character profile can be put together of posters by way of Google, every word
searched there recorded forever. Some of the garbage I've seen posted here by
people using real names will indentify them for all time as wannabees and newbees. Hardly the sort of stuff you want a merchant banker or funder to eyeball.

Most people who invest large amounts of unsecured funds into things like films
employ other people like accountants to investigate a project in order to limit
a clients risk on that and other investments.
These guys will find you on Google, blabing away. Trust me.


On the other hand some professional people who post here come across as being
experts in subjects being discussed, but most are Cinematographers, Post
Production or professional Tech guys already skilled or famous in that field.
But what of those who have been ranting on here like 3 year olds using a real name.

The only way past this is to change your real name to another real name and post again.
Mezmo

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

Spot on!!!

http://www.derylgroup.com/downloads/KETCHFRAME/SIRENS/BTS.jpg

:) Peter

This pic is pretty priceless.

Ketch should print this and put on his kick ass good looking crib.

Right next to the dinner table...

Having some pasta looking at this, now that's entertainment.

:)

BTW, Pietro Impagliazzo is my real name.
A half italian/half brazilian who doesn't look quite like both.

:sarcasm:

[Priyesh P.]

Can anyone help me, where on the user control panel is the "delete profile" option? Searched it but couldn`t find it so far...

[Jarred Land]

Some of the garbage I've seen posted here by
people using real names will indentify them for all time as wannabees and newbees. Hardly the sort of stuff you want a merchant banker or funder to eyeball.


thats the point mezmo ( you have a week to change your name btw ) ... i dont want your garbage posted here either, real name or not.

[Darren Orange]

Jarred and REDs choice to ask for use of real names should be respected by all. It's a simple request and it certainly should aid in the quality of this community.

[Sanjin Jukic]

What about my real name???!!!

I sent my request by PM week(s) ago.

Regards

[fde101]

you have a week to change your name btw

So in a week, we just lose the ability to post here, correct?

[AntonyCASAFilms]

So in a week, we just lose the ability to post here, correct?

Those of us who need a degree of privacy, yes.

Personally, I will have to leave here for 3 reasons.

1. My surname is fairly rare. In combination with my first name, I am the only one in my country!

2. It would be very awkward if my neighbours knew that I had a camera which cost more than their annual income.

3. A crazy guy has made death threats to myself and 2 colleagues. It is serious enough that the police are trying to find him. I don't want him picking up any info on me.


But for people with fairly common names, or who live in secure communities or "well off" neighbourhoods, then it is not a problem.

[Justin O'Neill]

Jarred, I think my PM with my real name got lost in the rush.

My real name is: Justin O'Neill.

If it doesn't like the apostrophe it can be: Justin ONeill

Thank you!

[Jason Ramsey]

What about my real name???!!!

I sent my request by PM week(s) ago.

Regards

couldn't have been weeks ago, b/c I'm not that far behind... :)

There are like 14,000 members... I could stay caught up, but then I wouldn't get anything else done... I'm getting there, just bare with me.

If you pm'd me your name request, I likely got it, but may not have gotten to it yet... I've got about 100 more to do right now to be current... of course, by the time I get there, I won't be current anymore :)

EDITED TO ADD: I don't see you in my inbox, Sanjin. Pm your real name request to me if you don't mind/or haven't already.

Later,
Jason

[Kreisky]

Can anyone help me, where on the user control panel is the "delete profile" option? Searched it but couldn`t find it so far...

I really want to know that as well !

[jpp]

thats the point mezmo ... i dont want your garbage posted here either, real name or not.

That's fine in theory, but web-searchable opinions are poison in the world of film finance, and reduser is regarded (however unfairly) as a fanboy retreat, not an unbiased professional forum most filmmakers would want to link their names to forever, thanks to google.

Which is probably why not a single semi-established feature director has ever posted here under a real name (at least, not that I know of), out of the 100s who debut at major festivals every year, including some who must have shot Red features by now. And yet not a word from them here.

So when this commercial-purposed site with a reputation for fanaticism demands real names, but can be read and searched by anyone, it's asking a lot of the membership, and I'm not sure on what basis it's presuming to ask.

But the site numbers seem to be larger than ever, so what do I know. Anyway, probably time to move on.

[Axel Mertes]

I proposed a long while back to make a forum section for real names only, which everyone can read, but only real names can reply.

That would not hinder anybody with a personal interest of being anonymous to use the forum, and those could still post in an open section then IMHO.

I do not know if such thing is feasible with the forum software existing, but from my personal stand point it would cool down many discussions.

Jim left the forum more than one time for things popping up at him without a real name or face. I guess he can deal with any kind of critics (can he? can RED?) as long as he can face the one and - with all respect - categorize the critics based on that.

And I know far more poeple than Jim being annoyed from many others and leaving for most of their time. I am not free of being guilty here, I know that, but thats why I can say that.

I was here without always with my true name. I am on the net since the web exists with my real name.

Maybe thats not clever in some poeple point of view. My post box is full of SPAM too. I have my email adress since the beginning. I have an ICQ number with early 6 digits...

Do I need to alter my ego now?
Do I need to change my email address, just because its full of SPAM?
Do I need to hide?
Why should I?

Come on, would you change your flat because your post box is full of ad paper?

Not really...

I stay here, I stay the same. I face it. You can face me.
I don't really trust people that hide themselves. They will hardly get the same respect. I know many poeple around with whom I may have "disagreements" - but I do respect them.

But I do respect when someone says "I can not share my real name here for serious reasons". But they need to understand that then they will be classified differently by other poeple around. Thats not a bad attitude, but it simply takes place, all the time.

I do find that poeple who write under their real name usually deal more respectfully with others - because everyone can see what "THEY" write. They have a face, they have a face they can loose. Do I know if a discussion of three anonymous poeple is real? Maybe its a multiple personality writing with him/herselfs - or someone trying to make "influence".

I really appreciate that change. I think its for the better.

Axel

[SF Geek]

That's fine in theory, but web-searchable opinions are poison in the world of film finance, and reduser is regarded (however unfairly) as a fanboy retreat, not an unbiased professional forum most filmmakers would want to link their names to forever, thanks to google.

Which is probably why not a single semi-established feature director has ever posted here under a real name (at least, not that I know of), out of the 100s who debut at major festivals every year, including some who must have shot Red features by now. And yet not a word from them here.

So when this commercial-purposed site with a reputation for fanaticism demands real names, but can be read and searched by anyone, it's asking a lot of the membership, and I'm not sure on what basis it's presuming to ask.

But the site numbers seem to be larger than ever, so what do I know. Anyway, probably time to move on.

It's hard to argue with that.

[Jarred Land]

for those concerned about privacy.. you can use one initial..... Like J. Walker. Or Jesse W....

[Tarek S. Kandil]

do i have to adjust anything in my user profile or settings?

cheers, no problem w the names thing.

rock on red.

[Jarred Land]

Thanks Grey Mog. You can PM Jason Ramsey to change your username.

[Tarek S. Kandil]

Call me Tarek ;)

Pleasure hearing from you personally Mr. Land

[Jens Jakob Thorsen]

I have allways used my full name in any forum...Why not I have nothing to hide(at least not infront of you guys)
I have never understood the fascination of "screen names" it seems so fake.

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

Those of us who need a degree of privacy, yes.

Personally, I will have to leave here for 3 reasons.

1. My surname is fairly rare. In combination with my first name, I am the only one in my country!

2. It would be very awkward if my neighbours knew that I had a camera which cost more than their annual income.

3. A crazy guy has made death threats to myself and 2 colleagues. It is serious enough that the police are trying to find him. I don't want him picking up any info on me.


But for people with fairly common names, or who live in secure communities or "well off" neighbourhoods, then it is not a problem.

If your name is, let's suppose, Josh Brolin, why not just put Josh B.

That's a fairly easy way to solve your problem, just explain in your PM.

:matrix:

Ah, and if a psycho really wanted to kidnap you or whatever, it's not like he couldn't run a check using your company (website listed on your sig) information.

[AntonyCASAFilms]

for those concerned about privacy.. you can use one initial..... Like J. Walker. Or Jesse W....

That's a great compromise. Thank you Jarred.

[mezmo]

thats the point mezmo ( you have a week to change your name btw ) ... i dont want your garbage posted here either, real name or not.
Not a problem Mr Land, I'm taking the Mezmo garbage and moving on.
Consider this my last post. The next time we meet, it will be face to face
and I'll be using my real name.
Mezmo

[Thomas Dobbie]

Not a problem Mr Land, I'm taking the Mezmo garbage and moving on.
Consider this my last post. The next time we meet, it will be face to face
and I'll be using my real name.
Mezmo

I've always used my real name on forums,and I welcome the change here.
I sometimes talk a load of garbage,but it's my garbage and I'm quite happy to take the consequences of it and argue my point openly.
"face to face" ,I read somewhere that Jarred is 6'7'',I'd need to bring a step ladder,hehe.
Tom.

[Michael "Dorkman" Scott]

My screenname has more of a reputation than my real name does; my real name is extremely common. So I'm actually "putting my money where my mouth is" far more by posting under this SN than I will be with just using my real name.

Can we use professional nicknames within the real names? If Mark "Crash" McCreery wanted to post here, would he get to go by that? Could I be Michael "Dorkman" Scott by the same logic?

[Jason Francois]

I'll never use my real name because I can't say things like, "you suck" or "stop being such a bitch" and get away with it.

Sincerely,

Jason Francois

PS-oops

[Jason Francois]

PSS- I guess I'd better PM Jason Ramsey and ask to not be banned. :)

[Jason Ramsey]

My inbox should be current on all real name requests. If you pm'd me and your name has not been changed, you should pm me again :)

later,
Jason

[number6]

Ran across this information on the New Scientist website tonight and thought I would post it here to explain why I am personally paranoid about using my real name...

"Much effort is expended finding new ways to gather data on people. A company called Umbria uses software to analyse millions of blog and forum posts every day, using sentence structure, word choice and quirks in punctuation to determine the blogger's gender, age interests and opinion......

.....Databases know more about you than you realise. A Carnegie Mellon University study recently showed that simply by knowing gender, birth date and postal zip code, 87% of people in the United States could be pinpointed by name."

To read the full article referencing the book The Numerati by author Stephen Baker, go to
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16162-what-the-data-miners-are-digging-up-about-you.html

George Orwell thought Big Brother was some all powerful hovering govt. Agency. Bet he would be surprised to learn that Big Brother is privately ouned and is manifest in the form of two benign-looking entrepeneurs who started a search engine.

I should probably take this very good opportunity to just shut up, since they probably know where I live.:umm: :holloween: :blink:

[John Caballero]

Make sure you don't post your SS# along with any comments you make on this forum! Then you'll be really in trouble!
The truth is that if people are paranoid about using their real names to participate in a forum the most simple solution is DON'T PARTICIPATE! That's all, just read what everybody else have to say. If anybody is afraid of big brother or whatever then first of all tell the goverment to take back your SS# because it compromises your identity. If they refuse then don't go to a hospital, join a union, get a credit card, apply for a loan, buy a house, buy a car, buy a motorcycle, have a child, because your name and SS# might be exposed to identity theft. Please.

[number6]

Make sure you don't post your SS# along with any comments you make on this forum! Then you'll be really in trouble!
The truth is that if people are paranoid about using their real names to participate in a forum the most simple solution is DON'T PARTICIPATE! That's all, just read what everybody else have to say. If anybody is afraid of big brother or whatever then first of all tell the goverment to take back your SS# because it compromises your identity. If they refuse then don't go to a hospital, join a union, get a credit card, apply for a loan, buy a house, buy a car, buy a motorcycle, have a child, because your name and SS# might be exposed to identity theft. Please.

John, actually did try to resign from this forum but so far have been unsuccessful. Guess you haven't had a bad experience yet with a credit card. I did a couple of years ago when someone got hold of my Debbie Card number. Luckily, they got greedy so someone from the Gap called and asked if I had ordered thousands of dollars worth of merchandise to be shipped to Indonesia. I thought for a minute and told her that I don't think I had. She said "No problem" and canceled the order. If they had tried to get a reasonable amount, they could have cleaned out my account before I ever found out.

Thank goodness RED has already done that so I don't have to worry about that right now. Someday, however, a new day will dawn and I may have cause to worry again.

[Jason Ramsey]

number six... you do know you can use your first name and last initial if you are that paranoid about it right? don't see how that is going to get big brother finding out about you.

But, if you are that paranoid about it and people knowing your first name is too much for you, then just let me know and I'll fix you up as per your request.

later,
Jason

[number6]

number six... you do know you can use your first name and last initial if you are that paranoid about it right? don't see how that is going to get big brother finding out about you.

But, if you are that paranoid about it and people knowing your first name is too much for you, then just let me know and I'll fix you up as per your request.

later,
Jason

O.K., thanks. Remove me.

[John Caballero]

Perhaps he can get a new name and SS# sort of like entering the witness protection program. BTW my credit is so bad that if anybody stole my identity they will be in real trouble!

[Justin O'Neill]

Thank you Jason!