3D?... Lies!

[Lárus Jóhannsson]

Jim is clearly just pulling our legs.

But in case this dream actually will come true then I think the real breakthrough will not be the cameras themselves but the workflow RED will design for them. But... how?

[Bruce Allen]

The workflow is coming together already.

offline edit: Avid has demoed editing in 3D.
online edit: Quantel, Scratch and Speedgrade can online in 3D today.
3D cg & vfx: Maya supports 3D today
2D compositing: Nuke supports 3D today.

Personally I got by with Cinema 4D and After Effects last year for Hannah Montana but it was a tad cumbersome. Onlining in Quantel was fun though...

BTW, you don't have to be 3D all the way. For Hannah Montana they edited in Media Composer in 2D for the offline and I did my graphics in 2D until later on.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Joseph Ward]

The Foundry Nuke Ocula! :w00t:

http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/pkg_overview.aspx?ui=39DEE70B-C88F-48F1-9BEC-99A9BAFE2850

$10K

[Martin Weiss]

Lies is a strong word to use.

[Benni Diez]

Yeah, 4K is a lie too. And 28k is an insult! Hehe.
No, it's just the next logical step and I'm glad they thought about it. Now would be the time to explore what the Red workflow could do for 3D.

[Chip G]

Jim is clearly just pulling our legs.

But in case this dream actually will come true then I think the real breakthrough will not be the cameras themselves but the workflow RED will design for them. But... how?

There are several stereo 3d red rigs out there that are in use and have been for a while.

[Martin Weiss]

Just as Arri has never developed film stock, I do not think it is RED´s duty to get the workflow sorted. And, As ChipG has said, people like Geoff Boyle have already shot 3D feature films on RED One. At NAB there were several vendors showing off their solutions for 3D and RED.

RED should concentrate on making awesome cameras, and let post production suppliers fine tune the work flow options.

[Dan Hudgins]

All you need to do to edit 3D stereo is to make 16bit TIF files with REDCINE then use a graphics program in batch mode to combine the right and left frames into "Over-Under" or "Side by Side" so that you have one frame image for each set of frames, you can split them later if you need to for projection.

My CAD programs support many stereo 3D formats, if you have a viewing hood for your monitor the over-under format works well for wide screen images, you can view them in full color and motion, a hood with Achromatic lenses and front surface mirrors is better than shutter glasses since there is no ghost image.

If you make side by side for crossed eyes viewing you do not need any viewing device to see 3D and you can edit on any system that supports odd ratio images, like mine... or you can letter box the frames to a ratio your editor supports and extract the images from the letter box later if needed.

[Lárus Jóhannsson]

The progress of 3D seems to be a lie I mean. Definitely didn't think it was so far in the making, at least not used in more than a handful of places. At least this technology hasn't got the publicity it deserves.

[Gerz]

In 2009 at least 4 major features are coming out in 3D.
I just spent 16 months working on one of them.

Lies?...tell Jim Cameron and Vince Pace that comment.

Be careful with posting comments without doing your homework.

It will only help to discredit your future postings.

The technology is already available. The one thing that the new 3D design that RED has rendered cannot do is Close-ups.
PACE already has a RED rig that utilizes a mirror-setup to achieve the
Interocular distance one needs to emulate the eye distance along with the convergence of the lenses for close-up work.

[Chip G]

The progress of 3D seems to be a lie I mean. Definitely didn't think it was so far in the making, at least not used in more than a handful of places. At least this technology hasn't got the publicity it deserves.

Just wait, Dreamworks has started shooting every film from now on in 3D and many more studio's are jumping on the 3d bandwagon.

75% of the films you will see in a theater in 3 years will be stereo 3d.

[Diana Janos]

Just wait, Dreamworks has started shooting every film from now on in 3D and many more studio's are jumping on the 3d bandwagon.

75% of the films you will see in a theater in 3 years will be stereo 3d.

I'm happy to see that your comment reflects everything that I have found while doing my 3D research.

With the implementation of Digital Cinema showing 3D films is becoming easier. The theaters need to find a way to draw the people out of their homes and back to the theater.

[Tony Lorentzen]

I seem to remember that someone at IBC this year mentioning that there were over 50 major studio productions slated for 3D in 2009. 3D seemed to be the buzz of the show this year. Looking forward to see affordable monitor solutions in the coming year or two. Who knows - maybe already at NAB?

[Lárus Jóhannsson]

Ouch, I guess I'll never use dodgy sarcasm again if I want to be taken seriously in the future. I'm not an iditot... really :O

[Chip G]

As said above by Diana, studios have lost a lot of B.O. sales due to all the home theaters.

What a great way to get people back into the theaters!

It'll trickel down to home theaters but probably not in a cost effective way for awhile.

[Joseph Ward]

For me Stereoscopic 3D is going to be one of the best investments, whether filming, post production, final presentation. I think this tech is the high end(now), not end all tech. I really don't see holograms, direct computer human link/interface, etc., taking off fast and cheap in my lifetime? Sure we will still watch all kinds of movies/media in whatever shape or form, but this form of digital tech ''for me'' is going to last a long time. Hopefully! :biggrin:

[Weston Ford]

For me Stereoscopic 3D is going to be one of the best investments, whether filming, post production, final presentation. I think this tech is the high end(now), not end all tech. I really don't see holograms, direct computer human link/interface, etc., taking off fast and cheap in my lifetime? Sure we will still watch all kinds of movies/media in whatever shape or form, but this form of digital tech ''for me'' is going to last a long time. Hopefully! :biggrin:

Agreed.

[Kyle Mallory]

Piranha (http://www.ifx.com) has some serious support for 3D editing, coloring, and effects work.

[Mark Thorpe]

What a great way to get people back into the theaters! Uh, Samsung have already done this....... (http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/02/29/new-samsung-3d-ready-plasma-tv-boasting-10000001-contrast-ratio/) so I guess home viewing will continue.

50 inch for under $3k and 3D ready.

Cheers,
Mark

[John V]

Jims rig does have some serious limitations when it comes to depth. Its not as simple as putting up a render.

[markh]

We've been involved in stereoscopic3d for about 18 months now and we've seen a significant jump in demand. It started in film but now there is a real possibility that we might see some broadcast activity in the not too distant future. There's a couple of white papers that might be of interest (3D and SIP2100).

http://www.quantel.com/list.php?a=Library&as=White_Papers

[AntonyCASAFilms]

Just as Arri has never developed film stock, I do not think it is RED´s duty to get the workflow sorted.

That's not really a fair comparison.

More accurate would be to ask, if Arri was to develop a new camera which used 39mm film, would you expect them to play some role in getting a 39mm film stock created?

I think the answer would have to be, yes.

[MichaelP]

RED is involved in post as the only way to get to the files created by the camera natively is via a licensing agreement and the SDK. So manufacturers are dependent on how, what, and when access to the essence and metadata become available. Audio is an example of that right now - not yet available via the SDK.

Michael

[Joseph Ward]

Hope Red will have more info about Stereoscopic Software tomorrow and not just Hardware. Unless its more info about the Stereo Mounts. :innocent:

[Disco Legend Zeke]

Ok... not EVERY booth, but INTEL, SONY, and just about every LCD or projector manufacturer.

For flat panel monitors there are three basic approaches. The first (and oldest) uses shuttered glasses to display alternating frames to each eye i saw very little of this technology.

The prevalent methods use polarized glasses, either circular polarized, which allows the head to tilt while viewing, or linear polarized, which is cheaper.

There are two approaches to creating two polarized views. Switching, in which the polarization is switched electronically, and striped, in which alternate pixels have opposite polarizing filters built in. Switching gives us higher resolution because all pixels are seen by each eye.

Of course for projection, the simplest method is to use two video projectors, each with a polarizer. Sony showed an Over and Under adapter made to fit in front of the lens on their 4K projector.

So, from what i have seen, the presentation side is ready for 3D