RED-OAKLEY Video Eyewear

[Sanjin Jukic]

RED and OAKLEY could merge technologies and make RED-OAKLEY Video Eyewear that we could use instead of an electronic viewfinder or EVF on the RED ONE digital cine camera. EVF is a bit obsolete and old fashion way of viewing through the camera. We are in a digital age and we need high end optical-digital solution and a real advantage to good old EVF.
The RED-OAKLEY Video Eyewear display resolutions and the virtual image sizes could follow image formats of the RED cam outputs starting from 4K, 2K, 1080p to 720p. It could be 4 models with 4 sizes and 4 prices. You could pick up one that fits your project budget. Can you imagine this: you are shooting and simultaneously watching your shots at the native resolution of 4K, 2K,...This tread is just to give them an idea.

http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/10/2006/S37W.jpg

James Jim Jannard wears Oakley (self made) design glasses.

[beatniq]

Can RED and OAKLEY merge technologies and make RED-OAKLEY Video Eyewear that we can use instead of an electronic viewfinder or EVF on the RED ONE digital cine camera. EVF is a bit obsolete and old fashion way of viewing through the camera. We are in a digital age and we need high end optical-digital solution and a real advantage to good old EVF.
The RED-OAKLEY Video Eyewear display resolutions and the virtual image sizes could follow image formats of the RED cam outputs starting from 4K, 2K, 1080p to 720p. It could be 4 models with 4 sizes and 4 prices. You could pick up one that fits your project budget. Can you imagine this: you are shooting and simultaneously watching your shots in native resolution of 4K...This tread is just to give them an idea.

How would you see? Using the camera as your eyes? That could be dangerous. I like it.

[REDHKSC]

Like what Mr. Tom C. wore the O's Video eyewear to fire the Target!!!

who knows better than Mr. Jim Jannard, a founder of Oakley and he has used Technology to solve all kind of problems to exceed many people expectations.

I know his heart can change the world just a little bit, like 1% of the Mobile phone in the world, it'll be a 10 milllion businesses of everything.

Stewart

[Sanjin Jukic]

How would you see? Using the camera as your eyes? That could be dangerous. I like it.

Using EVF you close one eye and watch through another. Glasses you use like glasess. Move them up and down from the eyes on your head. No any danger.

[beatniq]

Using EVF you close one eye and watch through another. Glasses you use like glasess. Move them up and down from the eyes on your head. No any danger.

Big difference. The EVF is not attached to your head and it's easy to just open your other eye whenever you need to. Have you ever been editing and the shot ends and then all of a sudden you're looking at a shot of the floor or the ceiling? Yeah... won't be able to do that with these.

[Sanjin Jukic]

New technologies need new behaviors. Remember using your old phone to dial using a scroll wheel. Phone experience today with mobile phone is a bit different. The same would be with brand new digital cinema cameras...you should change something to get better quality of viewing through your camera. That is the video eyewear to help you to make your shooting with a more efficiency, a more pleasure, with a more vision than ever before. We are in 21 century...

[Martin Drew]

Of course there is no need to have a dual display. The display could be for one eye only

[beatniq]

Have you ever looked out the window while riding on a high speed train or tried reading a book while riding in a car? I'm getting queezy just thinking about it...

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Of course there is no need to have a dual display. The display could be for one eye only

And the single-eye display could be switchable between opaque black background or translucent so you could see through the image, eh? How about a device like what military contractors are currently experimenting with -- a set of scanning lasers that track eye movements to perform various aiming and targeting functions and the lasers also draw HUD images directly onto a soldier's eye.

So... RGB laser system for image projection right onto your cornea and laser tracking/measuring system to use your eye position and focal changes to assist with focus and other tasks.. I'm all for it. :D

[Sanjin Jukic]

To redefine and to reinvent is the CREDO of 21st century technologies. If you not ready catch up the train in time you are for sure a looser tomorrow. Have a look at Apple, Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony. They are all going to change a way how we entertaining, communicating, thinking, feeling and behavior. RED will change a way how we are shooting and making movies for sure.

[beatniq]

To redefine and to reinvent is the CREDO of 21st century technologies. If you not ready catch up the train in time you are for sure a looser tomorrow. Have a look at Apple, Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony. They are all going to change a way how we entertaining, communicating, thinking, feeling and behavior. RED will change a way how we are shooting and making movies for sure.

Does that mean that every technology that is suggested must be taken as gospel?

[Martin Drew]

...or tried reading a book while riding in a car? I'm getting queezy just thinking about it...

I try to avoid it just in case I crash.

I always have both eyes open when using an EVF, otherwise it is tricky to stay aware of your surroundings. It is much more difficult to do on domestic camcorders because the display is so small but I have never found it a problem on pro EVFs.

I think it is not unusual to use one eye for headmounted displays, the brain finds it quite easy to switch attention between one image or the other and it cuts the cost in half.

martin

[beatniq]

I try to avoid it just in case I crash.

This is why I made sure to say "riding" instead of "driving."


I always have both eyes open when using an EVF, otherwise it is tricky to stay aware of your surroundings. It is much more difficult to do on domestic camcorders because the display is so small but I have never found it a problem on pro EVFs.

I usually split my free eyes' time open and closed.


I think it is not unusual to use one eye for headmounted displays, the brain finds it quite easy to switch attention between one image or the other and it cuts the cost in half.

martin

I know. I'm just playing devil's advocate.

[Martin Drew]

And the single-eye display could be switchable between opaque black background or translucent so you could see through the image, eh? How about a device like what military contractors are currently experimenting with -- a set of scanning lasers that track eye movements to perform various aiming and targeting functions and the lasers also draw HUD images directly onto a soldier's eye.

So... RGB laser system for image projection right onto your cornea and laser tracking/measuring system to use your eye position and focal changes to assist with focus and other tasks.. I'm all for it. :D

Hey. Now you're talking.. Or what about about a nice sexy Fischer connector plugging straight into your brain.

[Sanjin Jukic]

To give you some links about head displays if you could imagine and reinvent EVF...

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/hmds.html

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/reviews.html

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/hmd-applications.html

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/hobbyist.html

http://www.headplay.com/

http://www.microopticalcorp.com/Products/HomePage.html/

http://www.axistive.com/15990/head-mounted-display--glasses-.html/

http://www.stereo3d.com/hmd.htm/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-mounted_display

[Sanjin Jukic]

Does that mean that every technology that is suggested must be taken as gospel?

Also anti new technology is a some sort of new gospel. Anti technology feeling is almost everywhere but...we are discussing in the forum suppose to be for high end digital camera, aren't we?!

[Roxco]

That's RED-OCOLESS

The focal length of the human focusing system does not easily allow for thin and close up displays.

Take a look at the military's helmet mounted displays to get an idea of what is more practical.

Join the RED ARMY and see the world through ROSe COlored glasses.

I'd put flames on my helmet!

Rosco

P.S. Remember that it's a "RED OCOLESS" idea!

Micro-display technology is also headed into consumer products. These will be part of digital still cameras, email readers on cell phones, viewfinders on smart cards, and other applications. Many companies are also developing HMDs that will cost about $500 for their laptop computers. Another area is as an entertainment accessory for displaying movies or games. Many believe the DVD Walkman is not far off.

Today, about 30 companies, mostly in the U.S. and Japan, are developing micro-displays for these and other applications. The next few years will likely see wide introduction of a host of new products based on these miniature displays - and military HMDs will benefit because of the cost reductions and technical advancements afford by a robust consumer and commercial marketplace.

Kaiser Electronics engineers built this proof-of-principle helmet-mounted display that incorporates Kopin 1,280-by-1,024-pixel micro-displays. So far, symbology is visible in daylight, but users can only view imagery on cloudy days, not in direct sunlight, so improving display contrast to minimize washout is a top priority.

Honeywell Sensors and Guidance engineers are designing the Integrated Helmet Assembly Subsystem, which has day and night operation, laser detection sensors, an audio headset, and connections to the display control module contained in a backpack. Its active-matrix electroluminescent display device can overlay symbology onto the intensified image.

Boeing designers in Huntsville, Ala., developed a computer based on an Intel 233-MHz Pentium microprocessor with wireless connectivity and I/O ports, pictured above, that is worn in a vest as part of the Special Operations Combat Management Systems program. Options include a handheld monochrome VGA panel or a monochrome VGA-HMD using a Kopin AMLCD.

[Finner]

New technologies need new behaviors...


Sorry to say but there is nothing new about "video glasses". They first came out in the late 80's early 90's and were a bit of a fad for a while. Steady cam guys were the first to use them and then some guys used them for hand held work. 1996 was the last time I ever saw them on set and when the cam op pulled them out we all had a bit of a chuckle because we had not seen them for a few years before that because cameramen had discovered that the view finder and steady cam lcd's worked better.

Video glasses seemed like the best idea ever when they came out but in the end they were just a big flop. New technologys are great but quite often we find its not best to re-invent the wheel.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Roxco, you rocks with this report. Thanks.

[beatniq]

Also anti new technology is a some sort of new gospel. Anti technology feeling is almost everywhere but...we are discussing in the forum suppose to be for high end digital camera, aren't we?!

We sure are, which is exactly why we must be careful not to turn into Peter Pan.

Simple law principle: sufficient and necessary conditions.

RED being what RED is, one of the most revolutionary advances in technology up there with the magnetic tape, the CD and the cell phone, makes it sufficient that the eyeglasses idea is innovative, not necessary. The same goes for any other "new" technology that is suggested.

In other words, simply because someone posts an idea on REDuser.com does not mean that the idea is as innovative as RED.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Sorry to say but there is nothing new about "video glasses". They first came out in the late 80's early 90's and were a bit of a fad for a while. Steady cam guys were the first to use them and then some guys used them for hand held work. 1996 was the last time I ever saw them on set and when the cam op pulled them out we all had a bit of a chuckle because we had not seen them for a few years before that because cameramen had discovered that the view finder and steady cam lcd's worked better.

Video glasses seemed like the best idea ever when they came out but in the end they were just a big flop. New technologys are great but quite often we find its not best to re-invent the wheel.


Finner, the skepticism will bring you nowhere. Where you would like to go? If you cannot re-invent you also cannot invent. Remember Renaissance, Leonardo , Galileo Galilei, Newton...etc...it was about to invent and re-invent (Re-naissance>>French for ‘rebirth’, or Rinascimento in Italian).

[Sanjin Jukic]

We sure are, which is exactly why we must be careful not to turn into Peter Pan.


RED being what RED is, one of the most revolutionary advances in technology up there with the magnetic tape, the CD and the cell phone, makes it sufficient that the eyeglasses idea is innovative, not necessary. The same goes for any other "new" technology that is suggested.

In other words, simply because someone posts an idea on REDuser.com does not mean that the idea is as innovative as RED.

I would say that the RED is for some people the most revolutionary cam just because of its price and not because of the technological advantage, vision
and RE-INVENTION.

[beatniq]

I would say that the RED is for some people the most revolutionary cam just because of its price and not because of the technological advantage, vision and RE-INVENTION.

I'm sorry I have to disagree. RED is innovative in many ways. Technologically because of Mysterium and because of REDCODE. Businesswise, their relationship with their consumers is also innovative and it is a methodology that any company could adopt.

The price is just an added perk.

[Finner]

No skepticism honest. I am not calling you down on your idea at all. In fact what I am pointing out is that it was a great idea that sold well for a while but people found that even though the idea was good in theory the product in actuality did not work as well as traditional models.

It seems to me Sanjin that you were not aware that video glasses had already been invented and used for camera work. Which I totally understand because they were such a dismal failure that you just never see them on set anymore. Your idea is good and someone already made a lot of $$ off of it unfortuately they just do not work as well as the traditional models.

Now as far as re-inventing goes I think its great but this idea has run its course and if you want to re-invent the "video glasses" expect to have a basement full of them for many years.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Finner, it was just to give them an idea and if they can RE-INVENT "video eyewear/glasses" or cannot it's up to them not to me.

[Ace]

Oakley already did this with mi2 I believe.

[Sanjin Jukic]

RAZRWIRE is just beginnig, after the audio in (Motorola mobile razr phone) should come a video input that is connected to the RED ONE and is coming in the sizes starting from 720p to 4K.

RAZRWIRE page
http://oakley.com/esearch.php?Ntt=RAZRWIRE