Shoot Red without Lighting?

[OwenR]

Hi

Is it possible to shoot red without Lighting other than natural lighting?

Owen

[Kevin Halverson]

Hi

Is it possible to shoot red without Lighting other than natural lighting?

Owen


A what time of day? Certainly open shade or direct mid day sun is very different conditions than the middle of the night.

[martinnoweck]

In England or California?

Just kidding,
martin

[donatello b]

YES ...
the best/worse conditions we don't know yet ...
when the 1st 103 REDs are released will prodvide many answers ....

[OwenR]

In Sunny England or not so sunny rain or shine.... during the day.....

I presume what applys to red would apply to other High Def cameras.....

Many reasons and not all budgetry.....

[Moir]

Hi

Is it possible to shoot red without Lighting other than natural lighting?

Owen

Yes. Just use a faster film stock and you'll be golden ;)

[OwenR]

Yes. Just use a faster film stock and you'll be golden ;)

A faster film stock? how do i get that in the Red Camera....

[Leo Ticheli]

A faster film stock? how do i get that in the Red Camera....

In the auxiliary film magazine.

[OwenR]

In the auxiliary film magazine.

with a sense of humour?

Suddenly everything is becomming Red is there life with Red??


How ever what do we think of shooting without lighting?? other than natural lighting...?

What are people's actual experiences? on a feature film?

[Michael Morlan]

Your question is so general as to not warrant an answer, hence the joking, but I'll try.

I believe the term you are referring to is "available light."

The RED One has been initially rated around 320ASA. That means it's light gathering ability is similar to that of 320ASA film. (That rating is subject to change.)

Now, any light source will register on a camera. The question I believe you are asking is, will it create a sufficiently useful picture. The answer is much more complex and would require a discussion of both technology - luminance, f-stops, etc. - and art - costume and set design, desired mood, contrast ratios, etc. There are many books written on the craft and art of lighting for camera. I have a bookshelf full of them.

But, to answer your question regarding achieving a useful exposure with the RED One, you might enjoy reading my article, Choosing the Right Light. (http://michael-morlan.net/pages/learning/learning_choosing_a_light.htm) While it focuses on actually using cine lighting for a set, the process described within can also be applied to available lighting, like that streaming through a window or a provided by practical illumination.

Best,

Michael

[Jared VanLeuven]

Hi

Is it possible to shoot red without Lighting other than natural lighting?

Owen


I think that the Nature/EFP guys are counting on it.

[REDHKSC]

I think that the Nature/EFP guys are counting on it.

RED is SUN, do we shoot in the DARK or we have options to shoot in the GREAT BLUE SKY......................with Diamond.

Cheers to all REDCORE holders.

Stewart
Founder

[jaadgy akanni]

One of the uniquely special things about the RED gang is we humor everyone here...lol
ALL ARE WELCOME! ALL ARE WELCOME!

[Joe Aurili]

I'm counting on shooting with natural lighting in most situations. At the very least it should be leaps above prosumer camcorders in this area.

[Ace]

RED is SUN, do we shoot in the DARK or we have options to shoot in the GREAT BLUE SKY......................with Diamond.

Cheers to all REDCORE holders.

Stewart
Founder

Stewart ive always been a fan of your posts!

[Priyesh P.]

He´s the writing David Lynch of Reduser.net - some sort of surrealist community member...

[Ace]

The Haikus of Reduser.net!

[dalemccready]

If the natural light is better than what I can create out of a truck when I turn up, and I can get the shot before the light changes, then absolutely I will be shooting with that natural light.

Most of the time I'm trying to replicate and control the look that nature provides anyway. You see some very cinematic stuff off set.

As an aside, my first feature was 16mm entirely on 100T stock. We shot a whole sequence on the main street of Auckland at night by choosing to shoot outside the brightest shop windows and walking up the street to the next ones. It can be done if you're prepared to tailor your shooting to what is available (and have a genius focus puller).

[Poi Boy]

Natural light, absolutely ! be prepared with silks reflectors, additive and subtractive. Always beautiful.
Aloha
-A

[Clayton Harper]

Most of the time I'm trying to replicate and control the look that nature provides anyway. You see some very cinematic stuff off set.

My favorite is when you are walking around some big downtown-type area either early morning or late afternoon and some building is casting the perfect hairlight or weird side light as a reflection of the sun and it looks like some totally "lit" scene. Anything is can be justified/motivated when you use your imagination.

[Joe Aurili]

Too bad you can't light in post. Maybe if a camera could capture the 3D depth of each pixel you could to some degree. You could also eliminate green screens, and use the depth info for FX. I'm sure that is the future of cameras, but when?

[sidetrack]

once the first run of cameras are delivered, i'm planning on shooting a couple distinctly different low budget features right away in order to test these particular limits of the camera: one competely indoors and the other entirely outdoors (woods), both depending as much as possible on available light, with the occassional bounce boards etc. of course.

i'm sure i'll have a lot to report if these projects come together as planned, but i'd imagine this is the kind of thing that we'll all have to learn as we do.

[Alexander Nikishin]

RED is SUN, do we shoot in the DARK or we have options to shoot in the GREAT BLUE SKY......................with Diamond.

With Diamond !

Love your posts Stewart.

[Adrian T.]

RED is SUN, do we shoot in the DARK or we have options to shoot in the GREAT BLUE SKY......................with Diamond.

You're a real poet, Stewart! Always love your posts! :clown2:

[Ralph Oshiro]

In the auxiliary film magazine.The aux film mag is for BACK-UP only. In low-light conditions, you can put the camera in night-vision mode. This is an especially handy feature, especially in the VIP areas of clubs where all the hot chicks hang out. Also good for shooting night interiors of Paris Hilton videos.


How ever what do we think of shooting without lighting?I never light anything. Those damn things cost a lot of money to rent, and no one on a location ever lets you plug in your lights in their store or in their office building or whatever, even "just for a minute." And generators--they use too much gas . . . have you seen the price of gas in California lately?

[dalemccready]

Too bad you can't light in post. Maybe if a camera could capture the 3D depth of each pixel you could to some degree. You could also eliminate green screens, and use the depth info for FX. I'm sure that is the future of cameras, but when?

check out this stuff...

http://www.debevec.org/

[Billy Summers]

Dale, I believe in you.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Too bad you can't light in post. Maybe if a camera could capture the 3D depth of each pixel you could to some degree. You could also eliminate green screens, and use the depth info for FX. I'm sure that is the future of cameras, but when?

No. 3D Depth is not enough alone to light. Lighting is as much about the material that is lit as the form. If the world was made out of a single material then yes.

3D will also not eliminate green screens. Despite it winning the future RED challenge for reasons I don't understand, any sort of 3D scanning system attached to a camera would actually accomplish very very little. Take hair for instance. The probability that you can compensate for the distortion of the lens optically with an auxillary laser scanner is almost impossible.

[Hrvoje Simic]

Too bad you can't light in post.

You can light in post.
It can be done to a certain degree, depending on the quality of the footage, but it's much too complex = time consuming = expensive to do, compared to the same effect achieved with on set lighting.

[Joe Aurili]

Some really cool stuff there, but real expensive I bet.


check out this stuff...

http://www.debevec.org/

[Tom Lowe]

Sure you can. I plan to shoot my feature using almost entirely natural light, if I can pull it off. Of course, my whole picture takes place outdoors in remote desert and mountain locations, and I'm hoping to shoot mainly during magic hours and by firelight and practicals at night. There are very, very few, if any, indoor scenes in my picture.

I'm figuring on cranking up the ISO a bit and using very fast lenses. I also plan to finish at 2K rather than 4K, so some of the high-ISO noise will hopefully go away during the downsample to 2K.

[Bachman]

That would give you 2 days to shoot in Wellington and 355 days in Perth

[REDHKSC]

I believe that RED users will not be afraid in the DARK and I am just a simple gradener to know how to plant a seed to grow.

Shutter speed and Gain can help the Sensitivity limitation iof the camera as well in my experience of shooting in the dark, and use Noise Reduction in the post work.

RED 's 1st Version of 4K camera is not ENG news application anyway, at least to me in the 1.4 Billion of population audiences.

Appreciated all friends here to share my LOVE in Vain.

Your Bloody Stewart@RED in HKG-CHINA.

[Elijah Kelley]

Hi

Is it possible to shoot red without Lighting other than natural lighting?

Owen
At the risk of being redundant I would assume that the specs of the RED ONE under ideal conditions will be more than sufficient to gather enough available light to give the viewer satisfaction of a motivated shot. That being said I prefer available lighting for exterior scenes, all my exterior shots for my last film was available lighting with the exception of the night scenes (I used hmi and lite panels) because there was no justification to shoot a scene that could only be seen by straining your eyes. The RED is focused on quality of image and without proper lighting in addition to aperature the quality would be lost. If your project is intended to be viewed by a cognizant individual then you should light with that in mind. So is it doable? Yes. Will it be viewable? That depends... Be Easy.

[OwenR]

Thanks for all your thoughts!!