im just wondering.. why beign hostile?

[Juan M.P.]

I was just wondering by reading some forums, why does people get so personal and hostile when discussing workflows and softwares? its just silly... im a scratch user and scratch its a soft that appears to generate a love//hate feeling on people hahaha it's just that i cant understand.
im all for civilized discussions and cool software and hardware but there is no need to get so rough or trying to underrate others ways. or am i missing something here?


just a thought... :whistling: :umm:

[Zac C]

I was just wondering by reading some forums, why does people get so personal and hostile when discussing workflows and softwares? its just silly... im a scratch user and scratch its a soft that appears to generate a love//hate feeling on people hahaha it's just that i cant understand.
im all for civilized discussions and cool software and hardware but there is no need to get so rough or trying to underrate others ways. or am i missing something here?


just a thought... :whistling: :umm:


Cause once upon a time, someone said Mac's were better than PC...

Thus everything has been divided...:)

[Juan M.P.]

Cause once upon a time, someone said Mac's were better than PC...

Thus everything has been divided...:)

hahahaha everything makes sense now

[Zakaree Sandberg]

republican vs democrat
Christianity vs Muslim
so on...
it happens

[LEON]

If Scratch was priced like FCP, all hostility would vanish in a second.

[Brian Langeman]

If Scratch was priced like FCP, all hostility would vanish in a second.

Right... And who cares about how the developers at scratch make a living right?

The Mac vs PC thing probably has something to do with it. Also here on reduser people seem to think they deserve everything at dirt cheap. They don't think about the costs of developing any of this stuff, or the employees actually getting paid.

By the way, I'm definitely not one who can afford a Scratch setup, although I wish I could. I will be happy using Color in the meantime, and if somehow a project I'm working on actually gets to be distributed in 4K, then I'll also have enough money from investors to invest in Scratch. That's the way I see it.

[Tico Llaurador]

I was just wondering by reading some forums, why does people get so personal and hostile when discussing workflows and softwares?

Juan, have you ever heard of the term "pissing contest"?

Just stay on the sidelines and you won't get "wet."

:wink:

[Paul Savarese]

Film Industry Egocycosis Meniscus.

[Joseph Ward]

I was just wondering by reading some forums, why does people get so personal and hostile when discussing workflows and softwares? its just silly... im a scratch user and scratch its a soft that appears to generate a love//hate feeling on people hahaha it's just that i cant understand.
im all for civilized discussions and cool software and hardware but there is no need to get so rough or trying to underrate others ways. or am i missing something here?


just a thought... :whistling: :umm:

I was about to start a thread stating a little of what you have said. :) Anyway, I believe during these times we should take a breather and work on how to overcome all these struggles and anxiousness. These times are meant to for breakthrough not breakdown. Just my 2 dollars(due to inflation). lol

[Meryem Ersoz]

Cause once upon a time, someone said Mac's were better than PC...

Thus everything has been divided...:)

Revisionist history, I call foul!

It wasn't like that at all. I know, I was there.

Someone said that PCs were better than Macs. This was after the PC makers stole the Mac GUI.

heh.

[Brandon Kraemer]

Your point about people being hostile is spot on, and I don't understand it either. There is no excuse, but that aside, since Assimilate Scratch seems to (currently) be the only system that can edit and finish with Red raw files, it is the envy of many of us who must slog through the roundabout workflows and negotiate a minefield of beta release software that is inadequately supported. This kind of support is LONG OVERDUE. Still I make the most of it and enjoy working with Red footage and doing my grading in Color. No hostility from this end of the post workflow, just sacrifice to provide solutions.


I was just wondering by reading some forums, why does people get so personal and hostile when discussing workflows and softwares? its just silly... im a scratch user and scratch its a soft that appears to generate a love//hate feeling on people hahaha it's just that i cant understand.
im all for civilized discussions and cool software and hardware but there is no need to get so rough or trying to underrate others ways. or am i missing something here?


just a thought... :whistling: :umm:

[number6]

Cause once upon a time, someone said Mac's were better than PC...

Thus everything has been divided...:)

And the Linux users just ignore us both.

[Evangelos Achillopoulos]

For years we tolerate incomplete software that insults our common sense with the amateur handling in the QA or in arrogant behavior towards to clients.

The collective frustration results to very little tolerance towards to manufactures that are exhibiting this kind of attitude.

Please excuses me if I'm wrong, but I thing that as users we deserve respect and we expecting not to throw in our face attitude in most hostile way...

So I thing its expected a reaction to the above attitude.

In every action there is always a reaction. It is the simplest axiom in physics....

And its our duty towards to the coming generations not to allow this to happen in the future.

Of coarse there is always the choice to sleep and not stand forward.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Right... And who cares about how the developers at scratch make a living right?

Also here on reduser people seem to think they deserve everything at dirt cheap. They don't think about the costs of developing any of this stuff, or the employees actually getting paid.

By the way, I'm definitely not one who can afford a Scratch setup. I will be happy using Color in the meantime, and if somehow a project I'm working on actually gets to be distributed in 4K, then I'll also have enough money from investors to invest in Scratch. That's the way I see it.

scratch is not the post heaven.
the post heaven doesnt have access to the raw.

the poor and what you forget to write down is that the rich are also pissed!
you can research yourself which projects are finished on which system.

edit
i just can talk for myself.

[Emanuel A.]

republican vs democrat
Christianity vs Muslim
so on...
it happensWith the due respect, I am Christian (Roman Catholic) and I have nothing against my brothers Muslims. On the contrary, we share the same God and Father.

[Paul Murray]

Hi all

Am pretty new here but I also find this a somewhat hostile environment.

One of the things that I do is run a Final Cut Pro User Group in a large city in Europe. No prizes for guessing which.

Something that I obsevere among "our" users are what I call a lot of "One man shows."

People who have got a toe in the door some where and are desperately trying to get their foot in.

Often they are terrified of passing on information for fear of someone else getting the better hand.

Just don´t get it because something that I have learnt the hard way is that it is not about what you know it is about being able to get access to the right information at the right time.......:clown2:

[Patrick Tresch]

The problem raised when people got aware that only scratch could use efficiently the R3D media.

RED and Scratch had (and still have) a bounding contrat that put other companies behind competition. There have been lots of arguments for and against Assimilates monopole on handling R3D. Some tell it's natural due to their early support to RED and other just got pissed off to have to use buggy tools to decode R3D.

Now the SDK has been released since 2 months. There is still a lot of homework to do from RED to get a full SDK also for linux... Lots of post solution developers would like to have acces to the debayer (as for Scratch) and not to the RGB data wich heavily diminish the processing speed of the CPU.

There is a lot to say about other (non Scratch) system owner to be upset, but future will level the troubles as SDK will evolve, and now, with color supporting R3D, lots of talk have been stopped.

More post solutions support will leave you Scratch user in peace!

It's not (only) a matter of Mac VS PC.

Patrick

[Ethan Cooper]

Juan M. P. - I saw that name and thought for a moment that Reel-Stream was in the forum. Sadly this doesn't appear to be the case, unless Juan went to work for Assimilate? and changed his middle initial to M. On second thought your name looks nothing like his.
________
MAZDA TITAN HISTORY (http://www.ford-wiki.com/wiki/Mazda_Titan)

[Lucas Wilson]

RED and Scratch had (and still have) a bounding contrat that put other companies behind competition.

Hi Patrick - just fyi - this is not true. ASSIMILATE does not and has never had any kind of written contract with RED about R3D exclusivity.

Yes, RED gave us a substantial headstart... because we were the only company (other than Apple) that believed in RED from day1, when most people still thought Jim was just a crackpot. And at that time, we diverted very significant resources to working with RED to give them a workflow at the high-end. It was a big enough gamble for us that if RED would have crashed and burned, and the RED ONE would have never happened, it would have taken us a long time as a company to recover. Turns out, it was a gamble that paid off!

But the idea that we are somehow tying RED's hands with an exclusivity contract is 100% false.

Lucas
-----
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

[number6]

Hi Patrick - just fyi - this is not true. ASSIMILATE does not and has never had any kind of written contract with RED about R3D exclusivity.

Yes, RED gave us a substantial headstart... because we were the only company (other than Apple) that believed in RED from day1, when most people still thought Jim was just a crackpot. And at that time, we diverted very significant resources to working with RED to give them a workflow at the high-end. It was a big enough gamble for us that if RED would have crashed and burned, and the RED ONE would have never happened, it would have taken us a long time as a company to recover. Turns out, it was a gamble that paid off!

But the idea that we are somehow tying RED's hands with an exclusivity contract is 100% false.

Lucas
-----
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

Lucas, you should have posted this a long time ago. (Or maybe you did and I missed it)

[Patrick Tresch]

But the idea that we are somehow tying RED's hands with an exclusivity contract is 100% false.



Hello Luki,

I undestand the courage you had to go with Jim Jannard :tongue: and that this was a gamble for your company:greedy: ...

But I never understood the move RED has taken to go soooo sloooow on giving the tools to the "Number 1" developers who beg to have direct access to the Raw decode...

Happy to know there whas no written contract.

Patrick

[Lucas Wilson]

Lucas, you should have posted this a long time ago. (Or maybe you did and I missed it)

I've posted pretty much this exact post twice before... the first time was more than a year ago. The second time about 2 months ago.

Lucas

[Evangelos Achillopoulos]

OK I will do the bad guy again...

Was there any verbal agreement?

[Patrick Tresch]

OK I will do the bad guy again...

Was there any verbal agreement?

Is this a "bad" attitude? :clown2:

:)

[Evangelos Achillopoulos]

Is this a "bad" attitude? :clown2:

:)

No its hostile questioning...

"ASSIMILATE does not and has never had any kind of WRITTEN contract with RED about R3D exclusivity"

[Lucas Wilson]

OK I will do the bad guy again...

Was there any verbal agreement?

Evangelos, I will not feed into your negativity. Sorry. :)

Best,

Lucas

[Bruce Allen]

OK I will do the bad guy again...

Was there any verbal agreement?

Evangelos, I will not feed into your negativity. Sorry. :)

Best,

Lucas

Luki, here's the quote from Jannard that got us all thinking you guys had an agreement:

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=139028&postcount=70

"Legal has just informed me that we may be in violation of an exclusive agreement we have if we allow REDCODE to be "opened up to the market". The agreement has a time limit. I'm digging to see what this all means. More news as soon as I get to the bottom of this.

Jim"

This was a long time ago, when Jim told Cineform they weren't allowed to decode .R3D files.

It was a pretty nasty thread and you were on it a lot strongly supporting the closing of .R3D, which led us to think it was probably an Assimilate agreement you were defending:
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7735

I think you can easily see how people interpreted this an an Assimilate / RED exclusivity thing. And got really angry.

If it wasn't then what exactly was Jim's excuse again !?!

Later in the thread, Jim said:
"Agreements are binding. Honor is based on one's ability to keep it promises. Period. This is about the community. That includes Apple and Assimilate. Countless hours and money have been spent by all of us on behalf of the community."
http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=139399&postcount=128]

He also said:
We will "present a documented file format with hooks that everyone can access".

We're still waiting for that. And still pissed about it.

Maybe it's a RED / Apple secret pact (that'd explain why we don't have a Windows Quicktime codec, hahaha ;)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Lucas Wilson]

Luki, here's the quote from Jannard that got us all thinking you guys had an agreement:

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=139028&postcount=70

"Legal has just informed me that we may be in violation of an exclusive agreement we have if we allow REDCODE to be "opened up to the market". The agreement has a time limit. I'm digging to see what this all means. More news as soon as I get to the bottom of this.


Hey Bruce,

I seriously doubt that was in reference to ASSIMILATE... Legal usually only gets hot and bothered when written contracts are involved...

Lucas

[Bruce Allen]

Hey Bruce,

I seriously doubt that was in reference to ASSIMILATE... Legal usually only gets hot and bothered when written contracts are involved...

Lucas

Gotcha.

But just letting you know every time we pushed him to open up the R3D format he said "we have to honor our agreements with our early partners who believed in us first" which pointed the finger (incorrectly) at you guys (you and Apple were the only early post partners).

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Evangelos Achillopoulos]

Luki, here's the quote from Jannard that got us all thinking you guys had an agreement:

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=139028&postcount=70

"Legal has just informed me that we may be in violation of an exclusive agreement we have if we allow REDCODE to be "opened up to the market". The agreement has a time limit. I'm digging to see what this all means. More news as soon as I get to the bottom of this.

Jim"

This was a long time ago, when Jim told Cineform they weren't allowed to decode .R3D files.

It was a pretty nasty thread and you were on it a lot strongly supporting the closing of .R3D, which led us to think it was probably an Assimilate agreement you were defending:
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7735

I think you can easily see how people interpreted this an an Assimilate / RED exclusivity thing. And got really angry.

If it wasn't then what exactly was Jim's excuse again !?!

Later in the thread, Jim said:
"Agreements are binding. Honor is based on one's ability to keep it promises. Period. This is about the community. That includes Apple and Assimilate. Countless hours and money have been spent by all of us on behalf of the community."
http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=139399&postcount=128]

He also said:
We will "present a documented file format with hooks that everyone can access".

We're still waiting for that. And still pissed about it.

Maybe it's a RED / Apple secret pact (that'd explain why we don't have a Windows Quicktime codec, hahaha ;)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

What was to be said, its being said.-

[Brandon Kraemer]

The burden of explanation shouldn't really fall on Assimilate to disclose what kind of agreement they have or don't have with RED, they didn't create the .R3D format or the Red One camera. And hats off to them for devoting resources towards the formats success.

I think the onus falls on RED to do more going forward, and quickly, towards solidifying relationships with arguably more established software vendors and/or to push though better supported software of their own. The beta releases of RED software have been great to get people going, but not enough has been done to galvanize these tools into the mainstream or to support them. People would gladly pay for these improvements, the R&D would be wisely spent.

IMHO more needs to be done from a communication standpoint as well. This forum is great, it's for the people by the people kind of stuff and if you keep up with it daily you tend to stay up to date with various workflow developments. But we all don't live and work in a RED-bubble, and if you can't stay up to date, it can take a lot of sorting through various topics and rants to distill what is the state of the art for RED post-production workflow, unless of course you own a Scratch.:wink: I would love to see a more formal email newsletter that spells out the latest and greatest workflows that are vetted by RED, and announcements of updates to codecs and software titles too, even those not written by RED so long as that is the world we will continue to work in, unless of course we happen to own a Scratch. :greedy:

No hostility, just solutions.


Lucas, you should have posted this a long time ago. (Or maybe you did and I missed it)

[number6]

The burden of explanation shouldn't really fall on Assimilate to disclose what kind of agreement they have or don't have with RED, they didn't create the .R3D format or the Red One camera. And hats off to them for devoting resources towards the formats success.

I think the onus falls on RED to do more going forward, and quickly, towards solidifying relationships with arguably more established software vendors and/or to push though better supported software of their own. The beta releases of RED software have been great to get people going, but not enough has been done to galvanize these tools into the mainstream or to support them. People would gladly pay for these improvements, the R&D would be wisely spent.

IMHO more needs to be done from a communication standpoint as well. This forum is great, it's for the people by the people kind of stuff and if you keep up with it daily you tend to stay up to date with various workflow developments. But we all don't live and work in a RED-bubble, and if you can't stay up to date, it can take a lot of sorting through various topics and rants to distill what is the state of the art for RED post-production workflow, unless of course you own a Scratch.:wink: I would love to see a more formal email newsletter that spells out the latest and greatest workflows that are vetted by RED, and announcements of updates to codecs and software titles too, even those not written by RED so long as that is the world we will continue to work in, unless of course we happen to own a Scratch. :greedy:

No hostility, just solutions.

All true, but perceptions rule the masses.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

With the due respect, I am Christian (Roman Catholic) and I have nothing against my brothers Muslims. On the contrary, we share the same God and Father.

I was making a point. not literal

[Bruce Allen]

Totally agree with you Brandon.

It's time for RED to step up the plate.

Luki - sorry to blame Assimilate for RED's stupidity and hurting their own customers. Looks like it was an incorrect assumption. But Jim did kinda point the finger at you guys on multiple occasions, so it was easy to be misled.

Post remains the #1 thorn in RED's side at the moment. Now I have to wrap my head around the idea that RED decided to put the stick the thorn in themselves for fun. It wasn't any other company that forced them into this stupid situation. Doesn't make sense - which is why I and others have had a hard time believing it. But hey, if you say there weren't agreements then there weren't.

So sorry Luki. I'll stop bugging you and start bugging RED some more ;)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Andrew McCarrick]

Revisionist history, I call foul!

It wasn't like that at all. I know, I was there.

Someone said that PCs were better than Macs. This was after the PC makers stole the Mac GUI.

heh.

Trust me PC makers did not steal the Mac GUI... the Mac GUI is the primary reason I use Windows over Mac.

[number6]

I thought the GUI was given to MicroSoft by Xerox?

Or IBM?

[Lucas Wilson]

Gotcha.

But just letting you know every time we pushed him to open up the R3D format he said "we have to honor our agreements with our early partners who believed in us first" which pointed the finger (incorrectly) at you guys (you and Apple were the only early post partners).

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

Bruce,

Like I said in an earlier posting - RED gave us a serious headstart. Sure, Apple and ASSIMILATE had exclusivity for awhile. Jim is a man of his word, and he did honor his agreements, and then some. But the "term" of that handshake agreement ended a long time ago.

But, I still believe - for reasons that have nothing to do with ASSIMILATE - that a closed format for what RED is trying to do is the only way to do it. If they open the format, they would have to add dozens of additional programmers, and dozens of support staff. They would have to essentially become a software company. And they're not. They're a camera company.

I think you and I have fundamentally different visions of what an "open source" model for R3D would look like. I think it would be a disaster, and an "open" platform would end up with R3D processing being even more confused than it can be right now. As it is right now, there are people who know what they're doing with the somewhat black art of color spaces and making everything work with R3D. But that is only because they have a set of known principles to work from.

Your model only works if the R3D format is a static model, and either never changes, or changes on a "normal" release cycle of once every 6 months to a year, or something like that. But with the release cycle that RED has, it would just be madness, and nobody would know what to trust or who to trust.

That's my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions and a***oles... : )

Lucas

P.S.: I also think that all this focus on the past helps nobody.

[Bruce Allen]

But, I still believe - for reasons that have nothing to do with ASSIMILATE - that a closed format for what RED is trying to do is the only way to do it. If they open the format, they would have to add dozens of additional programmers, and dozens of support staff. They would have to essentially become a software company. And they're not. They're a camera company.

Let's face it, if they keep the format closed then they become a software company too. They still need to add dozens of additional programmers and dozens of support staff. Because this current situation (way too much stuff still in Beta and lacking basic features) is terrible.

Not having their Quicktime codec ported to Windows yet is laughable.

RedRushes, etc could easily be ported to Windows too.

If they just hire *ONE FRIKKIN' GUY* to port the Quicktime codec to Windows, that problem would be solved.

And they can hire *ANOTHER GUY* to maintain the RedRushes etc ports that problem would be solved too. And we'd have real Windows tools.

...and hire an INTERN to read through the REDCINE bug reports and maintain a list.

The fact is that RED thinks having decent cross-platform tools is worth less than 2 programmers' salaries, plus an intern. They don't seem to see the problem - which is a big mistake.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Juan M.P.]

Juan M. P. - I saw that name and thought for a moment that Reel-Stream was in the forum. Sadly this doesn't appear to be the case, unless Juan went to work for Assimilate® and changed his middle initial to M. On second thought your name looks nothing like his.

What the...?:w00t:

--

Back to the topic of the thread... this is (as my point its made) getting hostile. Comments of those like Evangelos Achillopoulos, in my point of view, are unecesarilly agressive and in some point it losses track of what he is trying to say.
cmon people.



OK I will do the bad guy again...

Was there any verbal agreement?

No its hostile questioning...

"ASSIMILATE does not and has never had any kind of WRITTEN contract with RED about R3D exclusivity"


For years we tolerate incomplete software that insults our common sense with the amateur handling in the QA or in arrogant behavior towards to clients.

The collective frustration results to very little tolerance towards to manufactures that are exhibiting this kind of attitude.

Please excuses me if I'm wrong, but I thing that as users we deserve respect and we expecting not to throw in our face attitude in most hostile way...

So I thing its expected a reaction to the above attitude.

In every action there is always a reaction. It is the simplest axiom in physics....

And its our duty towards to the coming generations not to allow this to happen in the future.

Of coarse there is always the choice to sleep and not stand forward.

chill out dude...
i feel you when your saying you want respect, everyone deserves respect. and action and reaction doesent give you the right to jump on nobodys neck.
IMHO i think assimilate's way to treat clients its outstanding. in my personal experience with assimilate's way of working and staff it has always been great, atention is in order every time its needed. (im just guessing here you'r referring to assimilate????please correct me if im wrong)




So I thing its expected a reaction to the above attitude.


Anyway.. an eye for an eye and the world ends up blind. and we dont want that do we? considering we live on images? haha :pirate:

==========


maybe it will help to calm the thread? :bleh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n1NOY_iQtU hahaha

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Bruce,

But, I still believe - for reasons that have nothing to do with ASSIMILATE - that a closed format for what RED is trying to do is the only way to do it. If they open the format, they would have to add dozens of additional programmers, and dozens of support staff. They would have to essentially become a software company. And they're not. They're a camera company.




one question.....who is doing the next version of redcine you or red?

[Patrick Tresch]

Back to the topic of the thread... this is (as my point its made) getting hostile.

chill out dude...

If you want to chill out... don't bring this topic to the forum dude!!!

:)

Patrick

[Emanuel A.]

I was making a point. not literalMe too. :) Do you think that I didn't understand it? Of course, I did. :-) As said, it's important to say... repeatedly: the hate between brothers doesn't make any sense. Rationality is spec of mankind.

[Juan M.P.]

If you want to chill out... don't bring this topic to the forum dude!!!

:)

Patrick

:gun:

[Lucas Wilson]

one question.....who is doing the next version of redcine you or red?

REDCINE has always been a collaboration between RED and ASSIMILATE, so the answer is... both.

Lucas

[Nick Wolf]

On a serious note & for the record ...

Lucas,

Nipples & Ears or just Ear=s?

You know what I am refering to ... Don`t try to play innocent ... Here is your chance to come clean.

DogDay.

P.S.

And I hope to God that the "Scratch & Sniff" plug-in will be bug free with the New Adobe release.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

REDCINE has always been a collaboration between RED and ASSIMILATE, so the answer is... both.

Lucas

ok lucas, two friends of mine have Scratch (and they are happy)...and Scratch doesnt have the same bugs as redcine. So where do the bugs come from?
asfaik its based on the same coding.

[Lucas Wilson]

ok lucas, two friends of mine have Scratch (and they are happy)...and Scratch doesnt have the same bugs as redcine. So where do the bugs come from?
asfaik its based on the same coding.

If you can be more specific with which bugs you're talking about, I might be able to answer. :)

Also - just because REDCINE and SCRATCH look the same in many respects and use some of the same GUI paradigms does not mean it's identical code!!!

Lucas

[Gunleik Groven]

It is a fine thread over in the redcine "forum". Let's keep this thread friendly :)

[Cüneyt Kaya]

If you can be more specific with which bugs you're talking about, I might be able to answer. :)

Also - just because REDCINE and SCRATCH look the same in many respects and use some of the same GUI paradigms does not mean it's identical code!!!

Lucas

cant render out a timeline over 150 cuts/edits without problems.
render to prores gets me frozen or white frames when loading more then 100 clips
still rc cant recognise 25 fps footage.---i know the workaround but thats just a workaround.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

It is a fine thread over in the redcine "forum". Let's keep this thread friendly :)

i am polite and nice to Lucas here...just asking questions and getting answers...there is no conflict between us.

or lucas?

[Gunleik Groven]

I know. And everyone know my stand on RedCine :)

I actually started writing a list and thought:
Heck. Why one more time. There are obviously (maybe not so obvious) reasons this is not a priority to fix. I sorta don't really care anymore, except for answering new users questions on how it doesn't work.

Yep, it's free. I have other free software that works. I can make RC work for me if I really need it. I guess it will be ok with some sort of limited edit function by the time the "socker-mom" Scarlet hits the street, if iMovie/MovieMaker have not got a RedRoom by then... :)

[Evangelos Achillopoulos]

Now I'm relaxed... I did same yoga... I counted with slow breathing up to 1000...

So yes I'm relaxed... make love not war... peace...

I hear birds singing...

Then my mobile rings... its this guy from XXXX country that is triyng to use REDcine... I have to assist him once more time... the guy is trying to export a 90 minutes movie with 1500cuts... for two weeks, unsuccessful ofcoarse...

So I told him to do 30 minutes yoga... start slow breathing... count the clouds that passing... peace...

I hear birds singing...

And the life goes on...

I told him to put a prayer to the God that he believes in order to enlighten the hard working programmers to set aside the Margaritas cocktail, and go to their room to work for few hours to fix things... of coarse few hours... Bahamas is a relaxing place and we don't won't to bother them with annoying things...

More birds are singing, life is beautiful... hostilities where?

[Juan M.P.]

Now I'm relaxed... I did same yoga... I counted with slow breathing up to 1000...

So yes I'm relaxed... make love not war... peace...

I hear birds singing...

Then my mobile rings... its this guy from XXXX country that is triyng to use REDcine... I have to assist him once more time... the guy is trying to export a 90 minutes movie with 1500cuts... for two weeks, unsuccessful ofcoarse...

So I told him to do 30 minutes yoga... start slow breathing... count the clouds that passing... peace...

I hear birds singing...

And the life goes on...

I told him to put a prayer to the God that he believes in order to enlighten the hard working programmers to set aside the Margaritas cocktail, and go to their room to work for few hours to fix things... of coarse few hours... Bahamas is a relaxing place and we don't won't to bother them with annoying things...

More birds are singing, life is beautiful... hostilities where?
mmmmmmmmmmm.... you seem to need one of those margaritas huh? :usd:

maybe you can tell MR X from country XXXX to go to a facility that has scratch! here he have low prices and good attention! hahaha

here in argentina we have a frase that seems to be right quite often:
"lo barato sale caro" "whats cheep ends up beign expensive" (or smth like that)
(im not saying those bugs shouldnt be fixed ... ehem)


btw: yoga always helps :w00t: