Canon HR10

[Jeremy Hughes]

http://www.usa.canon.com/html/templatedata/pressrelease/20070507_hr10.html

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canons-First-AVCHD---HR10-DVD-Camcorder.htm

How about that? AVCHD 12mbps (still better than HDV) and 24p on DVD. Pretty much the same features as the HV20 except it records AVCHD to DVD and no mic in or headphone out.

[Eugene]

The chip sounds great (or good enough for a prosumer like me who doesn't really need 4K.) But the AVCHD codec and storage to DVDs is consumer grade. Often Canon sticks new stuff in low end consumer products before they put them in prosumer stuff. The Rebel cameras seem to always get bigger MP chips before the more expensive EOS cameras.

This chip should show up in some higher end consumer cameras soon, hopefully ones that are not AVCHD and that don't record to DVDs.

I don't see the point of having 24p on this camera.

[Jeremy Hughes]

I don't see the point of having 24p on this camera.

For home movies, guerilla filmmaking, dogma films etc. But the DVD bitrate limits the AVCHD quality...


Often Canon sticks new stuff in low end consumer products before they put them in prosumer stuff. The Rebel cameras seem to always get bigger MP chips before the more expensive EOS cameras.

I think it's because they get updated quicker.


This chip should show up in some higher end consumer cameras soon, hopefully ones that are not AVCHD and that don't record to DVDs.

This will probably not make it to prosumer cameras unless in the form of a 3-CMOS system. Just my guess. And what other codec are they going to use for the prosumer cameras? HDV? At 24mbps it seems that AVCHD would be better than HDV. But I agree with not recording to DVD.

[Tom Lowe]

I'm definitely thinking about getting one of these new Canon cameras, like this or the HV20, just to shoot music videos and stuff. What are the differences between this camera and the HV20? I like the idea of shooting to harddrive rather than tape.

[Emanuel A.]

What are the differences between this camera and the HV20? «Same features as the HV20 except it records AVCHD (12mbps) to DVD and no mic in.»

[Jason Murphy]

Camcorderinfo.com's tests on the recent crop of AVCHD camcorders seemed to indicate that higher bitrate or not, AVCHD tended to produce, on the whole, a noisier image than their HDV counterparts. Don't know whether or this is because AVCHD is still relatively new and its implementation isn't as refined as HDV or whether this is just simply an unforeseen limitation of the AVCHD codec, but it's something to think about.

Also, editing AVCHD is even more of a pain than editing HDV, and that's saying something. In fact, I'm not even sure that FCS 2 currently supports AVCHD editing (can anyone confirm or deny this?).

[Fix]

I have also heard that AVCHD is not as good as HDV. This camera really screams consumer IMHO. Between HR10 and HV20 I would go for the later making anything pro.

Has anyone post colorgraded AVCHD footage? I can imagen that you can't push it far consider heavy compresion.

[Justin K Phillips]

One advantage of these cameras is that they (or at least the HV20) can output live uncompressed hd, via HDMI. So, at ~$1,100 for the HV20 (or a little more for the HR10) and ~$250 for a HDMI capture card, you get pro-ish quality video for a very, very, very reasonable price. It's almost like a consumer version of the RED. Hmm...I think I might know where Canon got their inspiration... :wink:

[Tom Lowe]

I wish the HV20 recorded its compressed signal to something other than tape. :( Tape just seems so 2004 to me. :)

[Jason Murphy]

Tape just seems so 2004 to me. :)

2004? Hell, try the 1960s. :)

But I agree that tape's gotta go. Tapeless digital acquisition is better for pretty much everything except archiving. And many people would probably debate the archiving part too. Just can't wait until someone designs a high-quality tapeless digital movie camera. With a 35mm sized sensor. Oh, wait...

[Jeremy Hughes]

2004? Hell, try the 1960s. :)

But I agree that tape's gotta go. Tapeless digital acquisition is better for pretty much everything except archiving. And many people would probably debate the archiving part too. Just can't wait until someone designs a high-quality tapeless digital movie camera. With a 35mm sized sensor. Oh, wait...

The tape's going to go soon. Unless somebody revives it by inventing the "random access tape". It was getting closer to leaving when they brought in digital (although there was no solid replacement for it and pros had no real choice), then HDV came along and it lived for another four years. But I like things that are direct to archive. Something that you don't have to store on you computer.