EVF & LCD problems

[Finner]

Hi RED team. I foresee a future problem with the EVF and LCD. Cables are a common problem area when it comes to equipment failure. If cables are involved they first thing I check if I am having problems. So I always carry at least one extra cable for every one I need. The EVF comes with only 1 cable and I could see this causing big problems. The way the RED arm moves around so much there will fairly often be strain on the cable and sooner or later it will go. I think it is in every owners and REDs best interest that everyone has a spare cable. That way no producer can say RED is a bad camera when the cable goes and the day is lost. ARRI cameras come with multiple cables for every accessory. It would be great if RED would include a spare cable for the EVF, LCD and RED drive. I think this will save a lot of us a bunch of grief.

[Michael Schrengohst]

For the price of the EVF a spare cable would be nice.

[Alex Wengert]

I'm sure that Red will sell you as many cables as you need.

[Júlio Taubkin]

Very well thought. As an assistant cameraman I can agree that cables are not our friends...

[Kevin Halverson]

The RED site already has EVF/LCD cables listed in both 3' and 10' lengths.

http://www.red.com/store/show_by_tags/MONITORING+OPTIONS

[Finner]

I guess I should of mentioned that I know we can buy 3' and 10' cables but there is no 1' offered which is the size that comes with the EVF and all you would need as a spare. I don't even mind paying something extra for the spare cable but think it should be a fairly decent price as spare cables usually come standard.

[Anders Holck]

I think you can be pretty sure that RED will offer spare parts, like an extra 1' cable, an extra rod or as has been mentioned, all of the red rail parts as individual pieces. The current price list is pretty limited to get us started, but I would think you'll find a much more extensive one at a later point.

[Jarred Land]

you can buy extra cables if you want them.. Red isnt going to give you a bunch of cables for free considering the price both the EVF and the LCD is being sold for.

[Finner]

Let me make clear that crying for free stuff was not my intention here. All I am trying to state is that everyone that ends up buying a camera should consider at least 1 spare cable for each cable they need as a requirement and not an option. IMHO RED should state this to each buyer and price them accordingly. I hope this comes accross a little more clear.

[Don Woods]

IMHO RED should state this to each buyer and price them accordingly.

It is not RED's job to be responsible for the not so smart camera owners out there. It is not RED's job to hold our hands and tell us well you should really buy more then one battery, more then one charger, more then one drive. As an owner you should know that sometimes equiment dose fail in the filed. And it is a good DP/Operators job to know this.

[Brook Willard]

"Be sure to buy multiple cables, because cables break."

Hmm. Not something I'd want to hear from any company I'm buying equipment from.

[Greg M]

I guess I should of mentioned that I know we can buy 3' and 10' cables but there is no 1' offered which is the size that comes with the EVF and all you would need as a spare. I don't even mind paying something extra for the spare cable but think it should be a fairly decent price as spare cables usually come standard.

Spare viewfinder cables do not come standard. I've owned dozens of cameras and have never received a spare cable w/ purchase.

BTW- In 25 years of shooting I have only had one viewfinder cable fail.

[Finner]

Spare viewfinder cables do not come standard. I own dozens of cameras and have never received a spare cable w/ purchase.

BTW- In 25 years of shooting I have only had one viewfinder cable fail.

In the video camera world this is true but not with the film ARRI or Aaton cables needed for the camera come with spares. Also you own dozens of cameras????????? Like what 36 or 48 of them? Are you a television network?

Also if you have had 1 viewfinder cable fail you think that you would of learned that 1 is one to many but then I guess you just grabbed one of the 138 cameras you have sitting on the shelf and used it instead.

[Jarred Land]

for what its worth, we are aware of the needs of strong durable cables...

We have upgraded and improved our cables 3 times already in the last month alone to make sure the shipping cables are suitable for daily combat.

[Greg M]

In the video camera world this is true but not with the film ARRI or Aaton cables needed for the camera come with spares. Also you own dozens of cameras????????? Like what 36 or 48 of them? Are you a television network?

Also if you have had 1 viewfinder cable fail you think that you would of learned that 1 is one to many but then I guess you just grabbed one of the 138 cameras you have sitting on the shelf and used it instead.

your a funny guy...no sorry currently only have 12 cameras (sorry for the typo, meant owned)...btw- My Arri did not come with a spare, had to pay extra for it.

[Finner]

for what its worth, we are aware of the needs of strong durable cables...

We have upgraded and improved our cables 3 times already in the last month alone to make sure the shipping cables are suitable for daily combat.

Good to hear.


Digitalfx I have gone out on the town everytime a ARRI rep is in town and found that relationship turns into a lot of freebee's.

[Poi Boy]

cables !! argghhh.. don't you hate when you buy a printer and you don't even get a cable ????
-A

[Jarred Land]

cables !! argghhh.. don't you hate when you buy a printer and you don't even get a cable ????
-A

yeah it has always confused me how a $2 usb hub can come with a cable but a $200 printer doesnt.

bad habits die hard i guess.

[Alexander Nikishin]

The worst cable in the history of camera oriented cables is the HVX200's d-tap.

Within the past year or so, I've had to buy 6 new cables. They are a royal piece.....

[Emanuel A.]

Why problems? And not issues, for instance?

[Priyesh P.]

ok, finner, if you´re talking about cables that come free at rental, then that´s right.
But I also never made the experience that i.e. Arri gives you any cables for free. In this case red is an exception by even putting one into the set.

[Johnny Friday]

forget a spare cable, i want a spare camera!

[Chris Kenny]

yeah it has always confused me how a $2 usb hub can come with a cable but a $200 printer doesnt.


My theory is that printer vendors do this as a sort of kickback to retail stores. It lets the stores sell more obscenely overpriced cables.

[Hrvoje Simic]

Since cables break in the areas they bend the most, was there any thought about a "rotational" jacks at both ends of the cable ? A miniature conductive heads that bend on the similar principle like RED arm ?
They would significantly increase the life span of the cables.

[Priyesh P.]

Since cables break in the areas they bend the most, was there any thought about a "rotational" jacks at both ends of the cable ? A miniature conductive heads that bend on the similar principle like RED arm ?
They would significantly increase the life span of the cables.

I already asked for at least an L-shaped plug, since it also keeps cables from sticking out too far.

[Ace]

This plumbing material could be cool bulletproof cable armour.. Painted black! Would be suitable more for long lengths for flexibility

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50266448/Exhaust_Flexible_Pipe.jpg

[Clayton Harper]

I strongly agree with Finner on the need to be able to purchase backup cables for all parts. I will happily pay for them.

Given the fact that RED parts will be scarce in the world for at least the next year, anyone who works professionally with this camera will need back-ups. The argument that they are well made doesn't fly because even well made parts fail. Parts that get plugged in and rubbed are especially prone to fail.

When a producer turns to you and you say sorry your production day is fucked because I couldn't buy a $100 cable you ain't gonna be working together much in the future.

[Finner]

I strongly agree with Finner on the need to be able to purchase backup cables for all parts. I will happily pay for them.

Given the fact that RED parts will be scarce in the world for at least the next year, anyone who works professionally with this camera will need back-ups. The argument that they are well made doesn't fly because even well made parts fail. Parts that get plugged in and rubbed are especially prone to fail.

When a producer turns to you and you say sorry your production day is fucked because I couldn't buy a $100 cable you ain't gonna be working together much in the future.


Exactly, well put Clay.

For those who have bought an ARRI camera and not recived free bonus extras work on getting a better relationship with the ARRI rep in your area. I have never even bought an ARRI camera but my kit grows with free ARRI gear every year.

[Greg M]

damn...i'm going to take him to lunch today. Then start working on my relationship with my Red rep so I can receive all my free bonus Red extras too.

[tj williams]

One nice thing about RED is that it looks like most of the cables are Lemo. Of all the cables I own these have been the least prone to failure. When they have failed it has been from obvious abuse.... ie catching the falling camera by the cable.... Pulling the dolly with the cable....

[Finner]

damn...i'm going to take him to lunch today. Then start working on my relationship with my Red rep so I can receive all my free bonus Red extras too.

Maybe we can work on the RED crew together. Matt and Jarred look like they like to party. I figure we take them out for a wild night of booze and transvestite strippers get them loaded and take a bunch of incriminating photos and jackpot we are in the free stuff game. That or Matt is smart enough to figure out our scheme, Jarred turns out to be an angry drunk and crushes us between his fingers like little bugs.

So are ya in?

[Moir]

I'm guessing the Hoff-pants with throbbing neon blue Arri logo cod-piece must do the trick, but I'm not sure the Red team will be so easily impressed.

[Greg M]

Maybe we can work on the RED crew together. Matt and Jarred look like they like to party. I figure we take them out for a wild night of booze and transvestite strippers get them loaded and take a bunch of incriminating photos and jackpot we are in the free stuff game. That or Matt is smart enough to figure out our scheme, Jarred turns out to be an angry drunk and crushes us between his fingers like little bugs.

So are ya in?

Yea, I'm in...but lets get one non-transvestite stripper for us.

[Rob Lohman]

you can buy extra cables if you want them..

Doesn't that answer your questions?

[Finner]

Doesn't that answer your questions?

Hey Rob if this is your way of asking to come to the "Booze filled Transvestite stripper party of debauchery" all you had to do was ask. Your more then welcome to come, it did'nt seem like Matt was to keen on it anyway.

[Jared VanLeuven]

May I respectfully suggest RED use Monster Cables as they're so cost-effective. *ducks, runs away*

:D

[Brook Willard]

This thread baffles me.

[Finner]

This thread baffles me.

Shit if you want in on the party you are welcome also Brook.

[Clayton Harper]

"Booze filled Transvestite stripper party of debauchery"

Advise checking out craigslist when you do your hiring.