A wishlist for Epic.

[I Bloom]

Hopefully I'm not coming in way late on this. Maybe some of these could be considered firmware ideas for Red One.

Things I'd pay good money to have on set:

1. Seperate display setups for operator, focus puller and client output:
So that if the operator decides to look at false color or RAW for example, the client still sees the look.

2. 1:1 Zoom while rolling, that can display only on the LCD and not the EVF:
Essentially part of #1. But so important, it's worth it's own number. Great if the focus puller could quietly move the sub-image around the screen during the shot.

3. Support for two LCD's rather than specific EVF and LCD ports:
It would be great then for the focus puller to have his own LCD when the operator decides to use an LCD. I'm watching every seasoned film operator I've worked with start operating off the LCD, on a lot of setups it just makes more sense.

4. Support for LDS:
I would be great if Epic could support LDS lenses. I love Cookes but I'm more likely to be shooting on Zeiss for visual effects heavy work when lense data is most important.
Best case scenario: Both LDS and /i support in one PL mount.
Also great: a seperate LDS mount option that can be swapped in.
Another option: a port on the mount that gives access to the pins to third party devices such as a conversion box or recorder.

5. Waveform and vectorscope overlays:
I would suggest that the current waveform on RedOne is simply too short to be useful, my hope is for a larger waveform that can be momentarily displayed over the whole image. A vectorscope as well would be a wonderful addition. Often the person who needs to see this the most is the gaffer, so I'd suggest a small corner overlay that can be transmitted just to the HD-SDI output. If that graph could display the clip point for both the RAW and LUT at the same time that would also be amazing.

6. High Saturation View:
If you watch a video engineer at work you will often see them momentarily oversaturate the image. This allows one to see exactly what hues are present in a given part of the image. Especially useful when green or magenta light is leaking onto skin tones from some misbehaving instrument. Red One can already do this, but it would be great as a hot key/false color mode and more extreme saturation than is available currently.

7. Most complicated:
I find it problematic that my look settings affect the false color exposure display. I'd like to simulaneously switch to RAW whenever I view false color.

I have a few other ideas...

Much respect,
IBloom

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Good suggestions. I like 'em all. LDS has been asked for by several people here over the past year or so. I guess we can keep asking. :)

1:1 while rolling would be great. I don't know why you would not want it on the EVF. There are times I'm in intense light conditions outside where the EVF is my only viable means of monitoring.

Kinda related to #6 and maybe #7. I'd like to be able to load a couple different looks onto the camera and be able to quickly toggle them or assign them to certain buttons. As for overlays, those would be handy. I'd also like the ability to overlay an image or possibly a video clip with an alpha channel or user selectable transparency value.

I think most of these have all been suggested as potential upgrade features for the RED One. I hope some make it into EPIC, all would be great. ;)

[Brook Willard]

Agreed on all counts. :)

[I Bloom]

Jeff,

I just want the focus puller to be able to punch in without disturbing the operator. So ideally the display could happen in both places independantly.

Ian

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I just want the focus puller to be able to punch in without disturbing the operator. So ideally the display could happen in both places independantly.

Yep, as it should be. I guess I just read your original suggestion as you would not want/need it for the EVF at all. Having it independently selectable for any one output would be perfect.

[Charles Angus]

All good ideas.

[Birns and Sawyer]

Some of the most important/relevant features are being requested right here. Big fan of numbers 4 and 7, especially as possible firmware upgrade features for the R1.

[Matt Uhry]

Great ideas Ian !

A few to add:

8. Piezo beep when roll and cut. as cool as the Origo is, this feature should be built into the camera. Of course you can turn it off....

9. Keep TOD timecode over power cycle / battery changes. and / or GPS world clock timecode. Multicam shooting kind of sucks right now.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

[Michael Lindsay]

Hi

The 1:1 option is great at the moment... however with a 5k camera displayed on a 1k display I would find it too close for live work.. It is cool to set focus (and is brilliant for backfocus adjustments) but for 'on the move' feedback no thanks. It would be just too tight.... 2:1 would be a great option for Ian's suggestions. I personally find 1920 on playback more than enough to 'know' if its too soft..

At the moment I give the FP an asto with a 1 to 1 button. Even though it is receiving only a 720p signal it works surprisingly well... It would be improved with a live 1080p out.

All the other suggestions are great 'as is'..

thanks

Michael

[Mark B.]

I hope it is extremely lightweight and portable! Also, I hope it is energy efficient and subsequently does not require a fan to cool the internals.

[Craig A. Macon]

I don't know about all of those display functions. Seems like they would drive the cost of the camera into the stratosphere. BUT, if there was a way to channel the data stream through a split then have an add on device that stacks on that could have independent output settings might be feasible.

You know? Be able to stack on one or two of these in series to allow the Op, the Assist, and Director or Client to all have independent settings. Being modular would allow them to be added as accessories instead of adding to the base cost of the camera or it's production.

[Fredrik Callinggard]

Unfortunately the LDS function is ARRI only and it's unlikely they'll let RED get that advantage.

[I Bloom]

9. Keep TOD timecode over power cycle / battery changes. and / or GPS world clock timecode. Multicam shooting kind of sucks right now. [/url]

You are right. That is huge. On that Honda trip, jam syncing from a generator was the bane of my existence.

IBloom

[I Bloom]

Unfortunately the LDS function is ARRI only and it's unlikely they'll let RED get that advantage.

You can rent a red now at CSC. So why would arri want to give a huge advantage to other lense manufacturers. In any case. Just making the pins available on the outside of the mount could solve the issue.

IBloom

[J. Eric Camp]

Just a note as far as firmware upgrades.

1 and 3 will not happen for the current R1.

[JonathanF]

1:1 Zoom while rolling, that can display only on the LCD and not the EVF: Essentially part of #1. But so important, it's worth it's own number. Great if the focus puller could quietly move the sub-image around the screen during the shot.I'll second this one. At least have options or scroll wheel support on the EVF to allow the focus puller to switch between zoomed framing on 1/3 frame boundary points. More specifically, divide the frame with two hoizontal lines and two vertical lines and center the focus of the zoomed area of veiw at each of the intersection points.

Panning and scanning during a take any be too much to do, but a quick bounce one of four positions to another should be manageable.


The 1:1 option is great at the moment... however with a 5k camera displayed on a 1k display I would find it too close for live work.. It is cool to set focus (and is brilliant for backfocus adjustments) but for 'on the move' feedback no thanks. It would be just too tight.... 2:1 would be a great option for Ian's suggestions. I personally find 1920 on playback more than enough to 'know' if its too soft..Michael has a great point here as well, perhaps a three position zoom is the way forward here. First position is 2:1 and the next is 5:1. I could easily live with that.

I agree with all the other posts that the LCD and EVF should get independent zoom control.

Great idea man.



Support for LDS
Yes, absolutely. Obviously in metdata, red Cine and RedAlert should also support exporting this data into the dpx header. This will be a huge benefit for both the AC and the VFX company doing post work, especially if their are tracking or matchmove shots. The AC will like it because he won't have an fx coordinator leaning in over him all the time between takes.



9. Keep TOD timecode over power cycle / battery changes. and / or GPS world clock timecode. Multicam shooting kind of sucks right now.


I also think Matt's suggestions are right on. This would be great when doing multi camera shoots.

Nice suggestions,

J

[JonathanF]

There was an earlier discussion about mounts in another thread, but I figured this post fit here a little better.

Having shot heli with Wescam and Spacecam a few times it's worth noting that in these situations (and I've heard horror stories about lenses coming off on camera cars as well with horrifying results) it would be great if one of the ears on the mount was pre-drilled for safety wire with a corresponding point on the camera body for these kinds of situations. Tape will do the trick in most situations, but with an hour of shooting on a drive you're not going to take as many opportunities to check the camera as you would chaging loads with film.

Another $0.02.

J

[Rainer Fritz]

TUNGSTEN instead of DAYLIGHT SENSOR !

It would be great to have a tungsten sensitive sensor. In case of different points it would be better.... worming filters have not so much loss of light then cooling filters, outside often i have more light then inside available.... and so on....

regards

rainer

[Cüneyt Kaya]

great list....

add lil things like powermodules for external devices (wifi ff)

and there should be a protection so a dtap cant burn the internal powerboard.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

i forgot
a shitty internal mic

i hate those comtec`s

[Michael Ragen]

definitely want support for two lcds.

[Casey Green]

This is a great list. On various shoots, the need for separate Operator / Client outputs is huge. Multiple LCDs with choices for each to have it's own custom overlay if camera info wold be great.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

one device..doesnt matter which one of the three ( evf and two red LCD`s..hehe) should be able to be cleared....

and if you choose 2,35:1 as a framguide everything else of the picture should be darker.

wow...all these wishes are so detailed...red really did come a looong way.

[Tim Fassnacht]

Good Stuff Ian.

one to Add:

Seperate "False Color" and Edge Highlight into different meters

[Cüneyt Kaya]

frameguides WHILE playback

[James T Mather]

Can the cf cards incrementally update according to the number of the last card removed - in other words we spend a lot of time on set "forcing" the card number usually begin the day at 0001 and so on). We have to do this every time a card is inserted which is a time drain on every reload.

To summarise: Can the red have an incremental card numbering option (based on the card before it).

[Antoine Baumann]

all good stuff sure, in my experience, for the "technical point" Seperate display setups would come first, followed by Support for two LCD's, then 1:1 Zoom while rolling, that can display only on the LCD, then Waveform and vectorscope overlays followed by all the others good idea, but don't forget the ergonomics...

[nick allsop]

Timecode , roll and clip number , and frame guides to show on the directors monitor when both the EVF and LCD are plugged in.

[tj williams]

1. be able to separate the brain from the breakout by 10 or 15 feet minimum. remote head in sports. Small crane heads. vehicle mounting ease. underwater on a stick. small underwater and surf mounts with recorder on the surface. S12K type running like slumdog. etc etc.

2. Be able to adapt my Birger mount to Scarlet/Epic to use my still lenses for projects which cannot pay for RED FF Rental lenses or purchase of same.

[I Bloom]

Can the cf cards incrementally update according to the number of the last card removed - in other words we spend a lot of time on set "forcing" the card number usually begin the day at 0001 and so on). We have to do this every time a card is inserted which is a time drain on every reload.

To summarise: Can the red have an incremental card numbering option (based on the card before it).

It does have this. If you use "Reset" to change the card number and then format in that menu the camera will begin numbering from that point. If you use "Change" you will get a change just for one format.

IBloom