Red packaging for shipping

[Damien Molineaux]

I suddenly thought of a question, which was followed by an idea. I recall some time ago, someone asked about Pelican cases and Jim gave a model number as a suggestion of size for the Red One.

My question is, how will Red package the camera when it is shipped, to me for example, in Switzerland ? Packaging can be expensive, and time consuming to design, make and assemble.

So my idea is, maybe Red could offer to Red buyers the possibility of buying a Pelican case, or equivalent, for their Red One to be shipped in. I'm sure many would be interested, and Red could buy them bulk, with precut foam, saving themselves the worry and the cost of having to take care of packaging, at the same time offering a durable, and sustainable solution.

Count me in.

To make things simple, I think Red should only have one size case just for the body, as small as possible, then people can buy other cases for the rest of the stuff. Although a second same size case could probably fit most of the standard gear : a couple drives, a disassembled basic or production package, the EVF or LCD. On second thought, I'm in for two cases !

Cheers,
Damien

[Michael Schrengohst]

I may go to Cali to pick my RED up....
I was just informed by a client that
a hard drive I sent them full
of footage arrived in pieces.
Thanks UPS!!

[Noah Kadner]

I believe it's UPS policy to drive over anything that says Fragile. I'd go FedEx or fly in Southwest... :sorcerer:

-Noah

[Gene Crucean]

I may go to Cali to pick my RED up....
I was just informed by a client that
a hard drive I sent them full
of footage arrived in pieces.
Thanks UPS!!
I hope you had it insured!

[Michael Schrengohst]

Yes we did.....
It is so much fun filling out all the forms...
It is like dealing with any large corporate entity...
They will wear you down to the point where it is not
worth dealing with. It is not so much the cost
of the hard drives but the time spent copying
the footage which I have done again and sent FedEx.

[Alex Boothby]

I'm sure many would be interested, and Red could buy them bulk, with precut foam...
Damien

Great idea Damien. Mmmm... precut foam....

[Joe Aurili]

UPS ground has destroyed many of my items. I always use FedEx express 3rd day now instead.


I may go to Cali to pick my RED up....
I was just informed by a client that
a hard drive I sent them full
of footage arrived in pieces.
Thanks UPS!!

[The Subsidiary]

Yeah I learned this lesson the hard way last month when I realized that I could extend my trip to Moab after a gig. I had my brand new Santa Cruz mountain bike shipped via UPS. It was in a Performance hard case, which was covered, per their regulations by a cardboard box. When it arrived in Utah, it had been somehow pierced, by what I'm guessing was the blade of a forklift... Both wheels were destroyed, as well as the frame. I ended up renting a bike, and had to figure out what to do with a worthless bike and case...Fun fun. ... Good riding though.

[Finner]

So my idea is, maybe Red could offer to Red buyers the possibility of buying a Pelican case, or equivalent, for their Red One to be shipped in. I'm sure many would be interested, and Red could buy them bulk, with precut foam, saving themselves the worry and the cost of having to take care of packaging, at the same time offering a durable, and sustainable solution.


This thread seems to have turned into a UPS bitch-fest but main point and idea is actually very very good. I would definately buy one.

[The Subsidiary]

This thread seems to have turned into a UPS bitch-fest but main point and idea is actually very very good. I would definately buy one.

Yeah a great idea, a no-brainer. IMO a custom Anvil type case would be a great option as well. But the only thing about this is there are so many preferences...IE do you want to keep your body with the lenses, drives.. etc. etc. Everyone packs and works differently. But I guess at this pricepoint, and importance to a lot of people's businesses (to get their RED in one piece ASAP), a pelican type case would be great at least to protect your investment, for the initial shipment. Should you upgrade, you can always find a use for another Pelican case.

P.S. I'm still mad at UPS...LOL

[Álex Montoya]

BTW, will the RED be shipped with an insurance for its value?

[Curran Giddens]

count me in for a couple hard cases as well

[Paul Leeming]

My vote would be for a Storm case (http://www.stormcase.com/) or two, preferably those with the StormTrak wheels and handle accessory. But if Red doesn't do any of this (I certainly would never expect them to without charging us the cost of the cases) I'll still be buying those cases anyway ( yellow so I can put nice biohazard stickers on them to discourage theft :) ) so it's no biggie for me either way.

[SF Geek]

I was thinking more along the lines of an anvil case that is precut to hold the camera, viewfinder, baseplate, top plate, and a space for whatever. If you didn't purchase any of the above then you'll just have an extra space. All other aks can be put in whatever cases you choose.

[Ken Willinger]

I'm with you on the storm cases. The pelicans are nice...and I have a lot of them, but the storm cases are half the weight and protect just as well, waterproof etc. Anvils are nice but very heavy. I tavel quite a bit and weight restrictions are getting to be a drag. The storm cases help with that a lot. I think a red case with biohazard stickers will work as well as yellow! I don't expect RED to supply the cases...but it would be nice.

[Rodrigo Lizana]

Pelican foam sucks. We have a lot of them in here and all of them needs to be replaced. On the other hand pre-cut foam works great and it´s very durable. The best combo is an outer softer foam for the perimeter of the case (to absorb the impacts and vibration) and an inner harder pre cut foam where the jewel is supposed to rest. Pelikan case are great, nothing agains them it´s just the cut-yourself-custom shape-foam system that sucks.

[Michael Schrengohst]

I need to convince my wife that a drive out to California is the way to take
care of these nasty shipping problems. Then I can shoot on my
way back home.

[dufte]

hi reds

in case of shipping I have another question. who has got the risk if the cam will be damaged during the shipping??

If I take a look at swiss law, it's clear the buyer got this risk. i don't know how it is with the US law.....but if something happens...will RED change it for free, if I send it back and if yes does RED has enough stored to send me immediately one or do I have to wait again??

greez
D.

[Stephen Williams]

hi reds

in case of shipping I have another question. who has got the risk if the cam will be damaged during the shipping??

If I take a look at swiss law, it's clear the buyer got this risk. i don't know how it is with the US law.....but if something happens...will RED change it for free, if I send it back and if yes does RED has enough stored to send me immediately one or do I have to wait again??

greez
D.

Hi,

Thats what insurance is for!

Stephen

[Milan Nikolic]

I am in for PELICAN case as well!

[Michael Schrengohst]

Hi,

Thats what insurance is for!

Stephen

You may get a settlement but would a RED owner
with a damaged camera have to wait in line
again or would the pool of cameras be sufficient
to get a new camera?

[dufte]

yeah surely the insurance is for that reason. but who has to pay this. Taking a look into swiss law its the customer, but at some anglicistic based law there is the sales company which is responsible for the camera until its arrived at the customer...

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

Shipping/handling/insurance is payed by the costumer (unless advertised), I expect no different from RED. The one thing I am not going to "save" money on is a few hundred dollars for safe shipping/insurance, by a major carrier provided thru RED.

[Paris Remillard]

I'm voting for Storm. Cheaper as well as the other above mentioned benefits.

[Michele Gavazzeni]

I think that for customer outisde US the main problem is not shipping but taxes in Italy where i live for 26.000$ import tax is 5.200$ .
So when my RED will be ready i'll go personally to pick it up.

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

I think RED should make a case, I mean come on, this is from a company that is owned by the guy who owns Oakley, basically THE king of style! Everything Oakley is basically the coolest thing in its type. I have like eight pairs of Oakley sunglasses, an Oakley bag that's really awesome, and lots of Oakley t-shirts. It's a shame if RED doesn't eventually make their own case, because I can picture it looking like something out of Aliens ;) Style matters, come on people! haha

[Stephen Williams]

You may get a settlement but would a RED owner
with a damaged camera have to wait in line
again or would the pool of cameras be sufficient
to get a new camera?

Hi,

You don't state your reservation no. If it's very low then clearly you will have to wait, probably not that long as production will get ramped up quite quickly.

Ask any rental company, equipment gets lost or destroyed during shipping.

Stephen

[Stephen Williams]

yeah surely the insurance is for that reason. but who has to pay this. Taking a look into swiss law its the customer, but at some anglicistic based law there is the sales company which is responsible for the camera until its arrived at the customer...

Hi,

Usually the customer has a choice of shipping methods & if he/she wants to take insurance. If you don't take insurance that's called 'self insured'.

The customer will always pay for insurance, if it's the responsibility of the seller in law then it would be included in the sale price.

Stephen

[laguun]

TNT offers insurance for up to 25.000 euro for non-approved customers.
prices are pretty fair (~30 USD for 25.000 euro, UPS is rather > 100 USD at 20.000 already)

Much higher if they approve the customer. To get approval all transport cases etc have to be checked with the corresponding devices and your local tnt rep will give you a visit checking business purpose etc. however, beware, you need -excellent- flightcases. even rolls which can´t be contracted or fixed handles can (and will) be turned down.

furthermore, devices transported with one of the global logistics -will- be exposed to solid g-shocks.

[dufte]

to the swissreds

does anyone know how much iz the import tax to switzerland for the red???

[Stephen Williams]

to the swissreds

does anyone know how much iz the import tax to switzerland for the red???

Hi,

You will have a tax based on weight, probably about 50chf depending on exactly what category Red Fits in. (EEC members pay a percentage of value) plus 7.6% VAT plus customs clearing charge (35chf from Express Post).

I import things all the time, it's always the wrong amount of weight tax etc but its never very different in chf terms. I don't speak any local languages well enough to negotiate with the customs after the event!

Stephen

[Rob Lohman]

I think that for customer outisde US the main problem is not shipping but taxes in Italy where i live for 26.000$ import tax is 5.200$ .
So when my RED will be ready i'll go personally to pick it up.

That is illegal to do in Europe. You're probably gonna be in a world of pain in they catch you.

If you buy $26000 worth of gear that's around 19400 euros. 20% of that is 3880 euros, for a total of 23280 euros. I'd say that is not too bad.

However, I doubt it is 20%. It depends on what kind of code they think it falls under:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7450#post7450

With a good USD vs. Euro exchange rate and a lower import tax it shouldn't be that bad.

Of course we all hate to pay taxes. But that's just the way of life. I would advice you to not try to sneak it in.

[Michele Gavazzeni]

If you buy $26000 worth of gear that's around 19400 euros. 20% of that is 3880 euros, for a total of 23280 euros. I'd say that is not too bad.

However, I doubt it is 20%. It depends on what kind of code they think it falls under:


For Electronic and photographic stuff is 30% in Italy

[overlandfilms]

Something low-key like this?

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1611_1180754267.jpg

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[Curran Giddens]

Something low-key like this?

yeah, and then put a big RED sticker on it.

I'm looking at the Storm Case iM2500 because it is a good size (interior= 21.7 x 14.1 x 8.9 in.) but still meets airline carry-on regulations by fitting under seats and in overhead compartments.

[overlandfilms]

The im2500 is too small for anything but the very basic, key RED components - head, viewfinder - the rest of your kit would have to travel checked or in another im2500 case (or two).

I use two im2500s for our HVX200 camera package: HVX200, 5x batts, charger, mattebox, 4 4"x4" filters, iris rods, camera bridge plate, follow focus, P2Store. The camera and P2Store rides with me, the other case goes into the belly of the beast. I've not had any trouble to date - just a couple of light-duty orange or yellow zip ties for the NTSB / DHS guys.

For RED, I'm going to recommend a combination of cases to my customers - the im2500 for camera and drives carry-on, with an im2720 or im2750 for chargers, batteries, mattebox and other accessories as checked baggage.

[Cail Young]

Can't say I'm a fan on the Storm latches; I much prefer Pelican's latches... but that's a personal taste thing. I can definitely agree on having a bright RED case, though - you'd be crazy to use anything else! :D

[Ken K]

That is illegal to do in Europe. You're probably gonna be in a world of pain in they catch you.

If you buy $26000 worth of gear that's around 19400 euros. 20% of that is 3880 euros, for a total of 23280 euros. I'd say that is not too bad.

However, I doubt it is 20%. It depends on what kind of code they think it falls under:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7450#post7450

With a good USD vs. Euro exchange rate and a lower import tax it shouldn't be that bad.

Of course we all hate to pay taxes. But that's just the way of life. I would advice you to not try to sneak it in.

Soooo... what if Michele paid for my flight over to Italy as a thank you for a recipe or something and I happened to bring a RED with me to shoot some vacation footage in 4k. Then he offered me $26,000 USD for it. Thinking it would be nice not to have to carry this RED all the way back home to the states, I took him up on the offer. Sounds plausible... :tongue:

[overlandfilms]

I've never heard that from anyone who's used Storm and Peli - not ever. The preference for Peli latches over Hardigg's, that is. If bloody knuckles set the benchmark for latch design, then Pelican wins - knuckles down.

[Stephen Williams]

Soooo... what if Michele paid for my flight over to Italy as a thank you for a recipe or something and I happened to bring a RED with me to shoot some vacation footage in 4k. Then he offered me $26,000 USD for it. Thinking it would be nice not to have to carry this RED all the way back home to the states, I took him up on the offer. Sounds plausible... :tongue:

Hi,

Without an ATA carnet you may have trouble importing the camera to Italy. Remember customs have a right to seize any item if they suspect any tax evasion.

Stephen

[istvanttt]

Soooo... what if Michele paid for my flight over to Italy as a thank you for a recipe or something and I happened to bring a RED with me to shoot some vacation footage in 4k. Then he offered me $26,000 USD for it. Thinking it would be nice not to have to carry this RED all the way back home to the states, I took him up on the offer. Sounds plausible... :tongue:

Call me when you want to explain this idea to the Italian Custom, I like to see interesting and entertaining situations:)

Anyway, I don't know where Michele got the 30% from, IVA (the Italian VAT is 20%). Further, as I suppose he is a professional, he has a personal IVA number, which using it, he can get back all the taxes paid for the REDONE.

[Curran Giddens]

Sounds perfectly plausible to me. For all the Italian Customs know, the guy is just bringing along his own RED to shoot some personal vacation footage. They don't know his RED will end up getting "lost" along the way.

[Cail Young]

I've never heard that from anyone who's used Storm and Peli - not ever. The preference for Peli latches over Hardigg's, that is. If bloody knuckles set the benchmark for latch design, then Pelican wins - knuckles down.

Hahahah! Very true... I mean specifically the double-throw latches versus the button-release; my sole experience with the Storm cases was one where the button mechanism had been beaten up, so my perspective is a little skewed, true.