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Someone can explain me what is the minimal configuration to work with RED ONE? Ex: the ram disk is essential or is only an alternative to the eSATA 320 GB to store the footage. There is someone from Italy who is still in list to purchase the RED?
Thanks
Sorry for approximative english.
Brook Willard
05-27-2007, 01:00 PM
First off, welcome to the forums! :)
Do you know specifically what kind of shooting you're planning on doing? A minimalist package varies between configurations... we all have different definitions of what our bare minimum is.
From the camera's perspective, this is what you will "need" to get started.
First you will need the camera body. This is a given.
You will also need a way to power the camera. The easiest way to do this would be to buy the RED power pack, which includes two batteries and the charger.
You will need some sort of storage to put your footage on. You could go directly from the camera's HD-SDI outputs to some external storage, but then you won't be taking advantage of all of the great stuff this camera can do. Your best bang:buck ratio would be to go with the RED DRIVE [320GB], but any storage option will work... whether it's the RED DRIVE, RED RAM or on of the onboard flash options listed on RED's website.
You'll need some way to view what you're shooting. You could use the camera's HDMI or HD-SDI outputs and attach a monitor of your own, or you could purchase the RED Electronic Viewfinder or RED LCD. It's up to you.
Finally, you'll need a lens. You could use PL-mount lenses from your favorite lens manufacturer or you could purchase them from RED. You could also use any number of still lenses with the appropriate lens mount [all on RED's site]. The amount of lenses you have in your kit is entirely up to you.
Does this help?
Ramesh Jai
05-28-2007, 07:24 AM
What's the difference between the Red RAM and the Red Drive? Thanks.
Damien Molineaux
05-28-2007, 07:39 AM
The Red Ram and the Red Drive have a similar outer appearance, but the Red Drive uses two standard 2.5" SATA hard drives of 160 GB each in RAID 0, for a total of 320 GB. The Red Ram holds two 2.5" RAM drives of 32 GB each for a total of 64 GB. The advantage of RAM is that it is sturdier, it will resist shock and vibrations better, theoretically it should have faster write speeds, but so far there has been no indication the Red One could take advantage of that. To it's disadvantage, it's capacity is limited and it is far more expensive.
Cheers,
Damien
Ramesh Jai
05-29-2007, 09:21 AM
So basically you can buy the Red RAM for capturing footage on location (use them as tapes) and then transfer them to the Red Drive in the studio..?
OR you can decide to buy just the RAM drive and use your existing drives..?
Brook Willard
05-29-2007, 12:39 PM
They're just two different storage options. You currently cannot transfer from one to the other.
RED RAM = lower storage, higher price but no moving parts.
RED DRIVE = higher storage, lower price but spinning drives with failure potential.
Shoot with whichever you prefer, then transfer the data off of the RED RAM/RED DRIVE to a computer with any sort of storage system you prefer... that end is up to you.
Think of the RED RAM and RED DRIVE like film magazines... that can hold thousands and thousands of feet of film in a space smaller than an ASC manual. You don't keep your film in the mag after you shoot, you download to cans. In this case, you download to a computer with storage... the storage is up to you.
Yes it helped,
thanks a lot, Brook!
Do you know if there is someone from Italy strongly (or really) interested to purhase the Red One?
Alex Boothby
05-29-2007, 06:01 PM
Do you know if there is someone from Italy strongly (or really) interested to purhase the Red One?
Here's a start:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=71
Ramesh Jai
06-01-2007, 02:47 AM
Thank you Brook.
number6
06-01-2007, 11:03 AM
First off, welcome to the forums! :)
Does this help?
Brook, is there a sticky on here somewhere, or if not, could you post one, that would be devoted to posting the knowns that we know, and the unknowns that we don't know, and eventually reveal the unknowns that we don't know as knowns?
Many of us just do a drive-by at times, and if there was one thread that we could check first that has been through a noise-cancelling filter, it would make life easier. Then we could go ahead and add to the ambient noise with preparedness, if we had time.
(Apoligies for my bad english. I am from a foreign country... Texas)
Evin Grant
06-01-2007, 12:39 PM
That in fact fould be the excellent FAQ page by none other than Brook himself.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1487
Brook Willard
06-01-2007, 02:00 PM
Why thank you, Evin.
But yes, the FAQ is linked to in my signature. It is also stickied at the head of this forum.
And it's growing.
number6
06-01-2007, 03:26 PM
Why thank you, Evin.
But yes, the FAQ is linked to in my signature. It is also stickied at the head of this forum.
And it's growing.
Ah! yesssss.... It is all coming back to me nowwww...
Ben Ponce
06-03-2007, 02:35 AM
First Post. So if you're a guy who is salivating over this camera but know you can't convince your wife to spend 35-40K on a premium Red start up package, I assume camera body, LCD screen (why so much for the viewfinder?), Red Drive or Ram, atleast one lense (which would everybody recommend for a good overall cine lense for shooting indy films?) and power pack should be a bare bones entry into using this awesome camera? You see I'm a DVX user who didn't reallize how simple he had it until I came across this Red one stuff. With a purchase of a DVX and just a few hundred bucks for accessories and hard drives you could easily set up a small production studio for full blown films but with Red everything seems to be a la carte. I mean, for $17,500 you really only get a nice looking piece of metal with a hole in it that won't even glow red like the pictures. My point is is that the Red is an awesome product without question but it really is only going to be accessible to larger businesses and rental houses not your average indy filmmaker who has a day job like myself. That is unless I can convince my wife I need to get a second job soley to pay for this "awesome camera that will make my movies look better".
P.S.- all you guys who are actually on the reserve list, I have to ask, what the hell do you guys do that you can afford this thing? Or is it that you are getting second mortgages?:tongue:
Thanks.
Brook Willard
06-03-2007, 02:43 AM
Professional viewfinders like the RED EVF generally range from $10,000-$15,000... $2,950 is chump change for an EVF of this quality with this feature set.
That said, you pretty much nailed it. Get some lenses for the package you described and you're in business.
RED DRIVE would probably suit you well. RED DRIVE has storage [lots] and cost [not lots] benefits, RED RAM has noise [no moving parts] and stability [flash vs. spinning media] benefits.
Darwin
06-03-2007, 03:27 AM
RED RAM = lower storage, higher price but no moving parts.
RED DRIVE = higher storage, lower price but spinning drives with failure potential.
Lets not forget CF flash cards, also no moving parts. And a better cost per gig
dalemccready
06-03-2007, 04:44 AM
Benjiedude...
I think it's worth remembering that not long ago a cameraman working freelance with a Digibeta camera would have had a bigger investment to get a working kit.
vanguy
06-03-2007, 09:09 AM
Benjiedude...
I think it's worth remembering that not long ago a cameraman working freelance with a Digibeta camera would have had a bigger investment to get a working kit.
It's still true.
Current prices:
Digital Betacam body only with viewfinder (no lens or power):
$44K and up
Red camera with zoom lens, finder, LCD screen, power kit, Premium production kit, and Red Drive:
$34,050
It's amazing what Jim's done.
Ben Ponce
06-03-2007, 09:24 AM
I agree guys. Jim is an engineering god. I'm almost sold here on getting that second job!
number6
06-03-2007, 01:12 PM
That is unless I can convince my wife I need to get a second job soley to pay for this "awesome camera that will make my movies look better".
P.S.- all you guys who are actually on the reserve list, I have to ask, what the hell do you guys do that you can afford this thing? Or is it that you are getting second mortgages?:tongue:
Thanks.
Do you really NEED the wife? Going wifeless should yield at least enough for one red, maybe two, depending on how high maintenance she is.
Ben Ponce
06-03-2007, 01:33 PM
Ha, ha. Considering she would take half of what I have if she left me then I would really be in trouble trying to afford the Red!
Steve Gibby
06-03-2007, 01:42 PM
That in fact fould be the excellent FAQ page by none other than Brook himself.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1487
It is a good FAQ page. Brook's FAQ material concentrates on cine-style use of RED One. For those who are curious about RED One use for EFP and limited ENG, the FAQ page also includes my "EFP/ENG for RED" FAQ at the end.