RED Cinematography Forum?

[Alexander Nikishin]

Since I find myself spending most of my online reading time in various cinematography forums, I thought it'd be a good idea to have one right here at home with a new RED forum dealing with cinematography.

Good idea?

[Darwin]

I like that idea. DVXuser has one why not here? I know we can't shoot RED just yet, but it would be good, for general discussions and sharing tips

[Nicolas Guillou]

I'm agree with you !

[Jeremy Hughes]

Brook Willard is the only person who said no!

[Steve Gibby]

Brook has a good sense of humor...he said no, but I promise you he meant yes.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Hey Gibby,

I'm gonna hold off on this for another 10 days. I really wanna see what RED announces about everything..

I feel there are a few too many RED forums right now. I like your suggestion, and agree we need one, but some others may need to go away.

Too much to look at. Anyway give me a little over a week

Jay

[Steve Gibby]

Hey Jay,

A cinematography forum wasn't my suggestion - it was the suggestion of the guy who started this thread (Alexander Nikishin). I think the idea has some good merit, but I didn't vote in the poll and simply made a comment about Brook.

[Joe Carney]

I would wait till after delivery (not being negative though), so for now...no.
btw, it's alright to go over to cinematography.com and check out all the non red forums for information until then. Great resources over there. Just avoid the haters.

[Stephen Webb]

I like it. Let David Mullen moderate it, in his short time here he seems to have become the most prolific poster anyway :w00t:

[Jay A. Kelley]

Sorry Gibby.. I sit corrected.

Oh please wise one.. Forgive my humble soul!!

:)

Jay

[Brook Willard]

Brook has a good sense of humor...he said no, but I promise you he meant yes.

Heheheh...

[Tom Lowe]

great idea, and great idea to make David the mod.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Hey Gibby,

I feel there are a few too many RED forums right now.

Jay

Cinematography is the most important topic relating to RED though, after all, aren't we all looking forward to shooting in 4k and making some pretty pictures.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Cinematography is the most important topic relating to RED though, after all, aren't we all looking forward to shooting in 4k and making some pretty pictures.

Do you work for National Enquirer? You misquoted me HORRIBLY there dude.. The REST of the post said that your cinematography forum is a good idea but some of the more fringe forums would need to go. There are too many.

Next thing you know you'll have me calling Gibby a "Nappy Headed Ho" and then I'll get FIRED!

Jay

:)

[Clayton Harper]

Hey Jay,

A cinematography forum wasn't my suggestion - it was the suggestion of the guy who started this thread (Alexander Nikishin). I think the idea has some good merit, but I didn't vote in the poll and simply made a comment about Brook.

Hey Gibby,

I have a new chamois, wheel brush and lemon scented air fresheners. :shifty:

[Jiri Bakala]

There is already a great cinematography forum with professional DPs moderators, very strict rules and for the most part also quite disciplined contributors: cinematography.net

[Desert Rune]

Too much to look at.

Bookmark New Posts (http://www.reduser.net/forum/search.php?do=getnew). :)

Having a cinematography forum would keep interests focused on a particular subject so those who are not interested don't have to skip over them in the main forums. Having said that, the way the forums are laid out don't seem very intuitive as they are right now.

[Greg Voevodsky]

There is already a great cinematography forum with professional DPs moderators, very strict rules and for the most part also quite disciplined contributors: cinematography.net

Yes, but we like the people and overall passion of the RED USER group!

I can't wait to start seeing pictures and clips posted here.

Besides we will all soon be "D"igital "C"inematographers - D.C.'s and not just DPs.:weight_lift:

[Alexander Nikishin]

And that's a wrap....

[Steve Gibby]

Next thing you know you'll have me calling Gibby a "Nappy Headed Ho" and then I'll get FIRED!

Jay

:)

That could be arranged...

I'm familiar with you and your personality, but I think you're over the line with that comment Jay. Connecting my name to racially degrading comments doesn't fly with me, smiley face emoticon or not....and yes Jarred and the moderators will back me up on that.

I can joke with the best of them, but using my name with that phrase is not appreciated. OK?

I smiled through your sarcastic comment toward me in your post #10 of this thread...but I'm not smiling now.

[Steve Gibby]

Hey Gibby,

I have a new chamois, wheel brush and lemon scented air fresheners. :shifty:

LOL...a good throwback to another thread! Everything's clean and cool...

[Jay A. Kelley]

That could be arranged...

I'm familiar with you and your personality, but I think you're over the line with that comment Jay. Connecting my name to racially degrading comments doesn't fly with me, smiley face emoticon or not....and yes Jarred and the moderators will back me up on that.

I can joke with the best of them, but using my name with that phrase is not appreciated. OK?

I smiled through your sarcastic comment toward me in your post #10 of this thread...but I'm not smiling now.

Holy crap.... I'm sorry Gibby.. Honestly... I had forgotten that some people took that person's comment seriously. I did not, while the comment itself was uncalled for when said by you know who, it was everyone else who used it to push their own agenda that caused me to not take it seriously.

The woman that raised me was an african american, so I do not recognize racial slurs very well, to me an insult is an insult, attaching skin color or sexual preference should not make it "worse" as that in itself is calling attention to our differences. I do not take words very seriously, rather the intent behind them.

Every comment I have made with you was made in the spirit of friendship and good humor, but clearly you have some lines that are dangerous and cannot be crossed. Therefore I will no longer joke with you on any level rather than risk stepping on the live mines.

I'll keep the jokes with those who I know and know me better.

Boy I feel stupid. I am very sorry. You will not hear indirectly from me again

Jay A. Kelley

[Jeremy Hughes]

Jay, it looks like you're getting fired without anybody even misquoting you!

:)

[Steve Gibby]

Thanks Jay...

I do feel like I understand you, and I have really enjoyed your sense of humor. This is a worldwide community and some things are simply better of left unsaid.

It's water under the bridge now. I have the ability to move on quickly. As far as I'm concerned, we're definitely friends.

Cheers...

[Alexander Nikishin]

So how about it admins? The RED user Cinematography forum, coming soon....?

[Jay A. Kelley]

If by "coming soon" you mean "After Camera Ships" then I agree with you. If you mean before the camera ships, I fail to see the purpose of the forum.

The art of Cinematography cannot be practiced on a camera that does not yet exist for the masses.

Jay

[David Mullen ASC]

The art of Cinematography cannot be practiced on a camera that does not yet exist for the masses.
Jay

Unless someone has a question that is not too specific to the RED camera, like how to light some woods at night, how to track through an open car window, etc.

[Daniel Gourley]

Unless someone has a question that is not too specific to the RED camera, like how to light some woods at night, how to track through an open car window, etc.

How Do You light Woods at night? I am actually filming a night scene in the woods later this month and this would interest me...

Not scary but, walking home after a nice date small town vibe...

Anyone???

[Alexander Nikishin]

Unless someone has a question that is not too specific to the RED camera, like how to light some woods at night, how to track through an open car window, etc.

Exactly, I'd love to share techniques and help anyone or receive help when in need. Cinematography doesn't have to be a RED only topic.

I like the people on these boards and wouldn't mind hearing their input.

It'd also be nice to have people post clips of their work or things of that sort and a new cinematography forum would be the perfect place to do so.

To add, there are 52 people in favor of the idea and 7 who are either nocturnal creatures who despise light or they just thought it'd be cute to say no. :devil:

[Shawn Nelson]

Exactly, David just made a post in 'Off-Topic' that needs to be a sticky immediately. But where? It needs a new section as the post is about Cinematography, but is not Red-specific.

[David Mullen ASC]

How Do You light Woods at night? I am actually filming a night scene in the woods later this month and this would interest me...
Not scary but, walking home after a nice date small town vibe...


Well, first you have to imagine how the scene would ideally look in your mind -- are they walking in moonlight? Under warm streetlamps? It always helps if you can justify light sources in the scene.

Second thing is, what are your options for powering the lights?

[Jay A. Kelley]

Well it seems we're talking about two separate forums.. One is RED cinematography (Which I thought the poll was about) and now we've evolved into a "Cinematography in general" forum which happens to live on the REDUser.net site....

Hmmm... Last I checked there was another site with a similar name, but I have to admit, the people there are a bit "different" from what we have here.

Up to now I have not voted in this thing, but if you all believe it's cool, and David is open to it, then it gets my vote!

My deal is this, anything can happen in 9 days. I am not looking at much until I know where Jim sees everything going.

But what the hell... If you guys want it... I'm in!

Jay

[Daniel Gourley]

Well, first you have to imagine how the scene would ideally look in your mind -- are they walking in moonlight? Under warm streetlamps? It always helps if you can justify light sources in the scene.

Second thing is, what are your options for powering the lights?

Moonlight definitely. We are renting a 3 ton grip truck with a couple of 2k's and 1k HMI's. I also have my Tungsten kit which includes an arri 300,650,and 1k fresnels. Bounce cards and various china balls available if needed...

Generator is a 3 Phase 200 AMP Genny.

[Jeremy Torrie]

I voted 'No' just for the fun of it. I wish there were better alternatives to obvious answers in polls in general.

This site is like crack, so not having to go to other ones to get answers designed to shed light on shedding light is a no-brainer.

[Michael Morlan]

I voted "no" since there is no reason to diffuse the access to information about cinematography by creating an exclusive RED presence addressing the subject. Cinematography.com is an excellent resource with a professional bent that strives to avoid fandom and trollers alike. I would rather discuss the RED One amongst that community of august peers and mentors.

...that is, once there is actually a camera to discuss.

Michael

[Desert Rune]

^^^

That might be true, but I'd rather discuss cinematography as it relates to the Red camera, among other Red users.

I don't feel it's required to have to go to another site for cinematography-related discussions, not to mention getting blasted by "white" after getting accustomed to the darker color scheme of reduser.net.

[Jay A. Kelley]

I voted "no" since there is no reason to diffuse the access to information about cinematography by creating an exclusive RED presence addressing the subject. Cinematography.com is an excellent resource with a professional bent that strives to avoid fandom and trollers alike. I would rather discuss the RED One amongst that community of august peers and mentors.

...that is, once there is actually a camera to discuss.

Michael

It's about the people.. And my experience on C.com with RED has been mostly negative. Professional or not, I do not enjoy my time there, or all the infighting. I prefer a "nicer" place to exchange ideas.. This is why I support the idea of a cinematography site here. The people are interested in learning, debateing, but they almost ALWAYS respect one another.

The truth is, I don't know what a "professional" is..I am in my 40s and I have been doing this for 22 years. I think I am a pro by some standards (I make a living) and an amature by others (I have not shot a 3mil or larger movie).

I believe if the exchanges regarding RED were more pleasent on C.com, this suggestion would not have seen the light of day cause we'd all be other there.

This is not the case.

Jay

[Alexander Nikishin]

Well it seems we're talking about two separate forums.. One is RED cinematography (Which I thought the poll was about) and now we've evolved into a "Cinematography in general" forum which happens to live on the REDUser.net site....

Jay

Yup, I was referring to a Cinematography in general forum, not a RED specific Cinematography forum.

When RED is released though, I'd hope that this will be the premiere spot to exchange shooting tips specific to RED, I find that comforting.

[Keith Alan Morris]

What about a Red Directors Forum?

[Tom Lowe]

I think the idea is that many of us here are very obsessed with and interested in cinematography, and since this forum has such a nice early stable of people who know something about it, or are very passionate about cinematography, that a new sub-forum here at reduser would get a lot of use.

I could talk cinematography and photography all day!

[Joe Carney]

What about a Red Directors Forum?

And dont' forget about Red Audio issues.

[Tom Lowe]

I also agree with Director and Audio forums.

[David Mullen ASC]

Maybe just call it RED Production and let it cover cinematography, directing, audio, etc.

[Steven M. Bailey]

I second that. A Red/ Real world production site for the free flow of ideas on cinematography, lighting, and audio would be great. There is a lot of experience with you guy's on this site just waiting to be tapped. There's strangely a sense of family on here, and I would rather ask questions around here than elsewhere.

There is always a budget to consider, and there's always more than one way to skin a cat.:gun:

[David Mullen ASC]

I don't like too many subcategories generally, but it seems that besides a PRODUCTION category, you'd probably want to change 4K WORKFLOW to just WORKFLOW (for 4K, 2K, HD). I'd assume that the category covers editing and color-correction issues, perhaps even film-outs, basically a post-production category, except that workflow also covers on-set recording, etc.

You may also want a category for news and announcements, perhaps a one-time only, non-reply set-up.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Maybe my internal definition of cinematography is out of alignment but when I think cinematography I think: Composition, Lights, Lenses, Grip, Gaffing and Art Direction. None of which in any way relate to any specific camera. Having a RED specific cinematography forum would be pointless.

Lights are Lights. Lenses are Lenses. Good composition is good composition. What does RED have to do with any of it beyond finding the quirks that you need to look out for and knowing what to meter at?

I'm not against a cinematography topic I'm just curious what the people who thought it would be a RED specific cinematography thought would be discussed.

[Dan Blanchett]

I don't like too many subcategories generally, but it seems that besides a PRODUCTION category, you'd probably want to change 4K WORKFLOW to just WORKFLOW (for 4K, 2K, HD).

Good idea. And maybe add "Accessories" when the camera launches. Or "Gear" to discuss everything from tripods to matte boxes.

[Jiri Bakala]

Maybe my internal definition of cinematography is out of alignment but when I think cinematography I think: Composition, Lights, Lenses, Grip, Gaffing and Art Direction. None of which in any way relate to any specific camera. Having a RED specific cinematography forum would be pointless.

Lights are Lights. Lenses are Lenses. Good composition is good composition. What does RED have to do with any of it beyond finding the quirks that you need to look out for and knowing what to meter at?

I'm not against a cinematography topic I'm just curious what the people who thought it would be a RED specific cinematography thought would be discussed.
Cannot agree more.

[David Mullen ASC]

I'm not against a cinematography topic I'm just curious what the people who thought it would be a RED specific cinematography thought would be discussed.

I don't think people are suggesting that it's specific to RED, just that they'd rather talk about it here than elsewhere.

[Jarred Land]

dont worry guys.. as soon as cameras are all in your hands Reduser will actually become more focused on actual Redusers heh heh heh.. cause there arn't that many actual Redusers out there right now.

Shooting with Red will be a whole new experience and have its own sets of questions, so we will have topic and forums for everything production and post production related.. including cinematography, audio etc.

[Alexander Nikishin]

I'm not against a cinematography topic I'm just curious what the people who thought it would be a RED specific cinematography thought would be discussed.

Just to restate my intention behind the poll......


Well it seems we're talking about two separate forums.. One is RED cinematography (Which I thought the poll was about) and now we've evolved into a "Cinematography in general" forum which happens to live on the REDUser.net site....

Jay

Yup, I was referring to a Cinematography in general forum, not a RED specific Cinematography forum.

When RED is released though, I'd hope that this will be the premiere spot to exchange shooting tips specific to RED, I find that comforting.