View Full Version : A first step toward 6x17 digital...
Evin Grant
03-18-2009, 12:26 PM
A taste of what's to come :gun:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/seitz-d3.shtml
Graeme Nattress
03-18-2009, 12:32 PM
1 fps....
Graeme
Josh Negrin
03-18-2009, 12:34 PM
and RED wants to make this because?.....
Graeme Nattress
03-18-2009, 12:36 PM
I guess first and foremost we want a 617 is because Jim wants to shoot with one :-) I think it will be stunningly cool, and amazing for landscape and special effects work. Or for image acquisition for theme park rides or...
Graeme
Jonathan Stevenson
03-18-2009, 12:37 PM
and RED wants to make this because?.....
For the simple pleasure of annoying you! lol :)
Dylan Macleod, CSC
03-18-2009, 12:39 PM
That is sooooo 2007...
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3076&highlight=seitz
Sanjin Jukic
03-18-2009, 01:06 PM
http://www.roundshot.ch/pictures/Seitz-6x17-Digital-back-wit1.jpg
Seitz 6x17 Digital with Seitz D3 digital scan back:
42,300 Swiss Francs (28,800 Euro)
http://www.roundshot.ch/pictures/Seitz-6x17-Digital-right3.jpg
http://www.roundshot.ch/pictures/Seitz-6x17-Digital-removing1.jpg
http://www.roundshot.ch/pictures/Giesserei-780px.jpg
Parameters
capture (scan) time: 16 seconds
degrees: 360°
exposure: 1/13 sec.
aperture f=11
TDI Stages: 20x (full sensor)
ISO/ASA 100
resolution: 7,500 x 28,824 pixels = 216 million pixels
no shifting of Seitz D3 digital scan back
lens: 35mm Schneider Apo Digitar XL f/5.6
Post-processing in Photoshop CS3:
- levels adjustment
- auto-colour, auto-contrast, adjustment of saturation
- filter: colour noise removal
- no sharpening, no unsharp masking
More>>> (http://www.roundshot.ch/xml_1/internet/de/application/d438/d925/f934.cfm)
Jeff Kilgroe
03-18-2009, 01:15 PM
and RED wants to make this because?.....
...People like me want to buy it.
Poi Boy
03-18-2009, 03:47 PM
Me too !
-A
Tim Griffith
03-18-2009, 04:04 PM
1 fps....
Graeme
Don't you mean 1 frame every 16 seconds! I guess one of the problems with the scan back!
Tim.
Deanan
03-18-2009, 04:15 PM
Don't you mean 1 frame every 16 seconds! I guess one of the problems with the scan back!
Tim.
I believe its 1 second per frame if it's not oversampling for low light.
Shane Betts
03-18-2009, 04:31 PM
and RED wants to make this because?.....
Me too!
Amazing stills camera, even more amazing movie camera. Don't know where I'll get the money from but SNAFU.:biggrin: Hope it comes with a Linhof or Sinar mount.
Tim Whitcomb
03-18-2009, 05:43 PM
...People like me want to buy it.
Me three... but one of my secret projects was just revealed by Graeme (Theme Parks)
a 3D Star Trek holodeck room/ride... blasted!
not to mention virtual tours for just about anything, digital signage
and ... I think Jeff already mentioned a basement 3D porn room :)
but thats enough... the rest is classified... If I tell you, I'll have to...
SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE:
dont buy this sensor... its overkill.
you dont need it... its JUST a FAD...
Joshua Brown
03-18-2009, 06:07 PM
I would LOVE to photograph with the 617, my mind hurts when I think about using it for film, but thats because I'm just one guy with zero budget. However, if I had to opportunity to photograph with this? Shoot, i'd treck up mountains with it.
-Josh
J. Eric Camp
03-19-2009, 07:25 AM
Special effects. Every time.
Craig Ryan
03-20-2009, 12:42 AM
I guess first and foremost we want a 617 is because Jim wants to shoot with one :-) I think it will be stunningly cool, and amazing for landscape and special effects work. Or for image acquisition for theme park rides or...
Graeme
YES! Disney's California Adventure ride, Soaring Over California needs to be redone in this format...even my mother of all people comments that it seems a bit soft. For something like a ride that is going to be a permanent attraction, and especially at Disney caliber, needs something that can't be beat.
And aside from that...imagine the the scientific uses and NASA? Or how about Planet Earth Part Deux?
The content is there...what we SHOULD be worrying about is how on earth it's going to be projected... :tongue:
You have to love gigantic images.
Jarred Land
03-21-2009, 12:49 AM
and RED wants to make this because?.....
...People like me want to buy it.
post of the week :)
Chad Lancaster
03-21-2009, 12:08 PM
post of the week :)
any 617 news coming soon?
I can't wait to see some 96 inch prints from this up against my 4x10 slides
:)
Kevin Wild
03-21-2009, 12:22 PM
Call me silly for thinking this...but...
If RED and other camera manufactures can make 3D rigs where 2 cameras are locked together to share the exact same composition, couldn't they make a rig whereby the cameras shoot side by side and are "locked" together or "stitched" together to make a gigantic panoramic sort of picture?
Obviously this would take 2 cameras, but it uses mostly existing technology and is already working.
I might be way off on this, but it just seemed a bit obvious...and sometimes those obvious solutions are the good ones. :-)
Kevin
jbeale
03-21-2009, 01:01 PM
couldn't they make a rig whereby the cameras shoot side by side and are "locked" together or "stitched" together to make a gigantic panoramic sort of picture?
I have seen rigs of this sort, using 4 or more MiniDV cameras on one platform pointed at different angles and later joined together into an ultrawide panorama. I don't think the cameras were exactly synchronized, but for some purposes apparently it doesn't matter.
No reason you couldn't do it with RED, except there might be parallax problems with the immediate foreground because you can't put the imagers exactly side-by-side due to the width of the camera body + lens.
Kevin Wild
03-21-2009, 01:06 PM
That's a good point. I guess they would be a solid 10 inches or so apart which would cause issues.
C L Walker
04-06-2009, 08:55 PM
Anyone can take panoramic pictures these days, with one camera and a stitching application... and three camera cinema is as old as Abel Gance's Napoleon. So yes, multicam panoramics have been done already. What is unique about a wide sensor like the proposed Red 617 will be fast shutter speeds with digital capture and a true single POV instead of a cheat like Cinerama (google it!) was.
But yes, wide formats are amazing and intriguing once you start shooting them. Look at Henri Lartigue's work (http://www.lartigue.org/indexus.html) he did with a Nettel camera at the beginning of the last century. The camera he used for wide images was a convertible model that sometimes had twin lenses to take stereopair images, or it could be configured to use one lens in the center to take wide shots.
One would think that this Seitz camera could also be configured to shoot stereo images, too although that's hardly playing to the strengths of the gizmo. Actually, the darn thing doesn't have many strengths, really. The capture time is so slow that an array of stitched images would seem to achieve a similar result...