New Top Handle

[Jarred Land]

from the side:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_1181490788.jpg

[donatello b]

are these new handles in addition to the handle we saw at NAB ?
or replacement ? or just designs being thrown out to see which we like or all of the above ?

[James T Mather]

looks great - does it include a screw mount for inboards etc at the top? thx.

[Jarred Land]

the top handle is new.. the side handles are the same pieces you saw at NAB just in a different configuration.

if you remember at NAB, our Top handle was that 3 pound long thing with holes in it.

[Jarred Land]

yes there are four 1/4-20" mounting bolts on the new top handle.

[James T Mather]

Cam looks great guys . In the words of Tyler Durden - Keep it up.

[Ace]

Looks solid as.

This may seem like a stupid question, But I've noticed that the black underside plastic material has a blue tinge to it as opposed to the other parts of the camera. Is this design choice intentional?

[donatello b]

"if you remember at NAB, our Top handle was that 3 pound long thing with holes in it"

didn't know it was 3lbs ... BUT the good was- with it was you could slide the handle to adjust the center weight of camera package so one could carry it by the handle ... on this design it appears you only have one spot/area to put your hand and it may not be center weight of camera ( depending on lens, batt , media ) ... sometimes just being able to slide your grip on handle back/forward 1-3 inches makes a big difference on the center of weight of current camera configuration ...

[James T Mather]

But I've noticed that the black underside plastic material has a blue tinge to it as opposed to the other parts of the camera. Is this design choice intentional?


?????

[Alexander Nikishin]

Looks awesome!

[Sam Druckerman]

the top handle is new.. the side handles are the same pieces you saw at NAB just in a different configuration.

if you remember at NAB, our Top handle was that 3 pound long thing with holes in it.

I remember.

Lighter is better.

The evolution continues..... Great.

[Michael Mann]

Yes, the lighter the better. About how much does the new handle weigh?

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

looks great! It looks like a little handycam in that photo eh (which I think is a good thing - relatively small and light is very practical eh) :gun:

[Keith Alan Morris]

"if you remember at NAB, our Top handle was that 3 pound long thing with holes in it"

didn't know it was 3lbs ... BUT the good was- with it was you could slide the handle to adjust the center weight of camera package so one could carry it by the handle ... on this design it appears you only have one spot/area to put your hand and it may not be center weight of camera ( depending on lens, batt , media ) ... sometimes just being able to slide your grip on handle back/forward 1-3 inches makes a big difference on the center of weight of current camera configuration ...

i agree!

[Desert Rune]

Wow, it looks so photorealistic!

[Jason Francois]

I really like how things keep getting a bit more trim and refined looking.

That said, I would have been happy with the first version shown to us...or the second...or the third...you get the picturre. :)

EDIT: This sounds sarcastic, but it's not meant that way. I would have been happy with the first version, so I'm surely going to be very pleased with the final version. ....there we go, that's better.

[Priyesh P.]

Wow, it looks so photorealistic!

it is a photo, right, jarred ?

[David Battistella]

That was my question too. Is this a 3d rendereing or an "actual" shot of the new handle.

Which looks great.

I wonder if moving it back like that moves the weight of the mid point so that it hangs nicely in your hand with a small lens attached?

David

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

If it´s a render they sure put an awful lot of work into unneccesary details, like dust etc...

I am 99,99% sure it´s a photo.


EDIT:And yeah it looks as beautiful as ever!

[Jeremy Torrie]

Maybe I'm missing something but shouldn't the grips be lower -i.e. below the camera? With the lenses, matte box, batts, and everything else, that config will put a lot of stress on the body of the operator.

Top handle looks good, and presumably like mentioned above, it will help out balancing the overall unit when ancillary add ons are attached.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Yes it's a photo, just boost up your monitors gamma or do it in photoshop and you'll see all.

[Sean Michael Johnston]

Do you have to use the top rails to mount the handle, or can it connect directly to the main camera body?

[Häakon]

It looks like someone screwed it on backwards :)

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2416

(The "angle" can be at the rear of the camera, right?)

[Alexander Nikishin]

lol Haakon good eye.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Is it mountet wrong on Jim's post or Jarred's post?

I believe is correct in bowth ones, the beauty of this camera and accessories will be that you can mount it in any configuration possible imaginable just so you can take your shot an put it in the can!

Juat my thinking any ways, i like it and I will buy it.

Take care guys.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[Stuart English]

It fits either way, just flip around if you wish.

[Jarred Land]

yes its a photo, took it myself.

Handle isn't necessary backwards, as Stuart said, it can be used in about 7 different configs.

And the Blue tinge is actually there on the bottom piece... its the old powder coat color that was a little cool. (all the NAB cameras where that color). All the production cameras will be Black Black.

[Adam C Lubkin]

All the production cameras will be Black Black.

Does that mean no more gray for the body? Please say it's true.

[Jarred Land]

Does that mean no more gray for the body? Please say it's true.

yes.. the production cameras will be black, no blue-black (or grey-black)

[Corey Culp]

What makes the handles so cool is you know they're going to be wonderfully tacky. Not "tacky" style-wise, but "tacky" grip-wise.

Anyone that had Oakley grips on your BMX bike or motorcycle back in the day know what I'm talking about. :)

[tj williams]

Jarred.... You challenge my imagination... So the two side handles, there is no lower rods so the intention is???.... Ahhh The matt box is mounted upside down. with the rods above the monitor is mounted on the back of the body, and the operator leans forward from his dolly seat onto the two side handles and drives the camera in a way similiar to a "crotch rocket" style motorcycle, with his/her face pressed against the monitor?? It's sure new!!! In many years of operating I've never done that yet...

Still love the two top sliders being the same height for low mode mounting. without the side handles this would be a neat steadi config. as it could still support the matt box, and motors, and would save weight by eliminating the lower stuff.

I really like this latest set of renditions how the "cage" thing has pulled back closer to the camera body and become somehow more integrated looking. When you compare this to the original X wing design it's come a long way!!!

[Mark K.]

All the production cameras will be Black Black.

Jarred, you just answered the question I was about to ask! Black black is the sexiest of all camera colours! (case in point: XL1 looks like barf, XL-H1 looks like sex)


...IMO

[Greg Voevodsky]

Please, can we mount it without the top rails?

Since we are now having 3-4 rails from film (supporting 60+ pound) camera, now down to run and gun....

How about a light one (that collapses flat to fit in a backpack?!).
How about one that mounts directly to the body of the camera?
Thin and strong and hard that will hold 20 pounds, folds out, snaps, and works. I'm sure all the red run and gunners would love it like me...

We need a camera that is not too tall and fits in a carry on backpack for airplanes, please remember us... otherwise, I will have to lay the camera on its side... not the best for backpacks... please make handles for both film... and run and gun... the camera and rails is about max now, so the handle should fold flat (yes that is a challenge!!! and then folds out to carry!).

[Alexander Nikishin]

As far as grip handles go....I'm still a fan of this idea.... :detective2:

http://205.234.134.160/forum/showthread.php?t=2420

[Michael Ragen]

Hey TJ, if you check out a Fig Rig, you will get the idea of the upper mounted side handles. If you want to borrow mine, let me know. It will take a relatively strong operator, but I plan on using something like this setup, with the battery mounted underneath, one of the sidehandles being a super grip (or both), and the motor(s) coming off the top rail, with possibly a clip-on matte box, a top mounted lcd with hood, and compact flash.

[Don Woods]

That is awesome. Looks really nice good work guys. The new "cage" design is really coming into something very nice. Jarred I like the the change up in photo style. Could see more :)

[Cory Schulthies]

The new handle looks much more secure than the old one, good revision.

[Brook Willard]

I just noticed the thumbscrew on the back of the upper rail mount... sweet!

[Jarred Land]

nice eye brook :)

and everyone can relax on the top rail only thing.. there is still a bottom plate with bottom rods.

[Mike Prevette]

I really wish that you guys would stop showing the handles mounted in the "High" position. From an operator's standpoint this configuration would rarely ever get used. Every time it gets posted people freak out, not realizing the handles can get mounted both high and low. Having the handles lower when the camera is on your shoulder is a much more natural position for the human body and will reduce fatigue. remember this camera with a PL mount lens, mattebox, follow focus, battery, viewfinder, and recording device is a hell of lot closer to a full 35mm set up than it will be to your cousins DV rig. This is not something you are going to want to hold out away from your body. Your going to want to snuggle it up to your center line as much as possible. Hence why film hand held rigs are so long/adjustable. These have been perfected over the years and I sure hope no one tries to reinvent the wheel right now.

_mike

[Matt Uhry]

Hi Jarred,

Can you still top mount the battery / red drive with this handle? Even when it's flipped 180 deg it seems like it would be hard to get the battery / drive mount in there. Would you be so kind to try this? Ideally I'd like a top handle thats good for both rear and top configs without any hacksawing needed.

Top mount can be desirable in some situations:

1. When shooting in a confined space, like an elevator or aircraft.
2. Shooting underslung from a dolly where the back of camera can collide with dolly.
3. On a geared head, the rear rails will hit your right hand when you tilt up.
4. Rails will hit the ground on a rocker plate
5. Situations where having the balance back a bit helps you get the lens in the right place, like #2.
6. Crowded areas like the mosh pit of a concert, or Red booth NAB 2008!

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

PS. I agree with Mike P. I get a little puzzled when I see the side handles so high, how are you going to focus the lens during a shot if your holding it that way?

[Alex Boothby]

Can you still top mount the battery / red drive with this handle? ?

I think that's what the T-handle is for.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2476

I love the modularity of Red, but I'm also lazy and will probably stick with a single prefered config most of the time.

[Mike Prevette]

Great points Matt. I personally had planned on using the top mount batt/drive most of the time. In that configuration the center of gravity would be similar to a 435 with the normal mags. Plus it wouldn't block the UI like the rear mount seems to do.

_mike

[Rocco Schult]

if you remember at NAB, our Top handle was that 3 pound long thing with holes in it.

one thing less to mod. that old thing was of good use but weight-wise a "must-mod"

[Patrick Jennings]

i don't know if this has been noticed yet... but is that a shoe mount at the top back of the handle?

[Brook Willard]

It looks like a little flat plate with some 1/4"-20 mounting holes to me.