the HD Fury and Red One

[Mo Kamal]

Many people have been suggesting HD Fury http://www.hdfury.com/

as a way to connect a Red One to any old computer monitor. Same way it is used for ps3s.

I can't help thinking that if it worked then it would've been in more threads around here, but I have to ask..

Any actual experience with the Hd Fury and Red????

[Noah Kadner]

I haven't heard of that but if I had to guess I'd guess the picture is fairly bad.

Noah

[Uli Plank]

I've never used it for that purpose, but the picture from the fury is great. We use it for PS3 on an old tube projector. When our RED is back from shooting I'll try.

But I doubt it'll work with the format with surrounding information, only strict 720 or 1080.

[Kyle Mallory]

http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=32&sid=63b04ce2c5c2d51257492ab28a361e68

I've not had personal experience with the Fury (for Fury2), but I do have experience with the IFB-FULLHD, which is also sold from CurtPalme.com. Speaking for the IFB-FULLHD, (which does the same thing, but in an IFB form factor for the old Sony CRT projectors) specifically for the RED, it has worked well at 720p. I've tried 1080p, but my projector is very particular about 1080p, and generally doesn't like it.

After a few months of perfect operation, the HDCP processor failed preventing me from watching movies on it, but I can still use the camera on it just fine.

Check out the second link about, which goes to their forums where people are discussing these products. You can probably find useful information there.

[Mo Kamal]

When our RED is back from shooting I'll try.

Please do





But I doubt it'll work with the format with surrounding information, only strict 720 or 1080.


Idon't understand what you mean, I thought that it was just a matter of finding a crt or lcd that matches with reds resolution and framerate of hdmi out.

[Mo Kamal]

Kyle, I need to know if there has been any success with red and hdfury specifically, great info on the IFB-FULLHD but that doesn't help me much.

I searched around and found a lot of good feedback on hdfury but nothing on it's use with a Red One.

[Alex Carr]

For the cost of that thing you could buy a 19" HDTV with HDMI in... And an HDMI cable. Thats why NO ONE has even tried

[Alex Carr]

Is there a specific reason you need to use a old crt?

[Mo Kamal]

Is there a specific reason you need to use a old crt?

Because I own 5 monitors already including a 20 inch Sony crt that I love.

If I buy a new HDMI equipped monitor, I would pay more than for the hdfury, and also with the adapter solution I can have my multiple screens at multiple places, and simply move the adapter around with the camera.

I can afford to pay more for a dedicated screen, (mainly for framing and checking focus) but since I already own quite a few VGA monitors, I thought adapting the camera's hdmi out to vga would be the smartest thing to do.

Am I missing something?

[jimhare]

You don't need an HDMI monitor.

You can get a DVI monitor for next to nothing and use a $5 adapter for the HDMI output.

Why would you want to mess with this? Isn't it mostly about framing and focus? I wouldn't think anyone was attempting to grade in camera, just be reassured about the image.

Anyway, I'm sticking with DVI and HDMI.

[Alex Carr]

You don't need an HDMI monitor.

You can get a DVI monitor for next to nothing and use a $5 adapter for the HDMI output.

Why would you want to mess with this? Isn't it mostly about framing and focus? I wouldn't think anyone was attempting to grade in camera, just be reassured about the image.

Anyway, I'm sticking with DVI and HDMI.

I dont use HDMi anyway... But you are right, the HDMI port on the camera is not HDMI. Its DVI, thats why it doesnt work with some HDMI monitors. But it does work with most Samsung HDTV's.

You might be able to just use a DVI Cable to hook into your CRt's without this HD Fury thing-a-ma-jig.

[Miguel "Macgregor" De Olaso]

What´s the difference between this and a simple VGA-DVi adapter?

[Mo Kamal]

But it does work with most Samsung HDTV's.


I got a samsung 40A650, but unfortunately :( it freezes the camera.

[Mo Kamal]

You might be able to just use a DVI Cable to hook into your CRt's without this HD Fury thing-a-ma-jig.




What´s the difference between this and a simple VGA-DVi adapter?


Instead of going HDMI to DVI the to VGA, I thought that a simple HDMI to VGA would be better.

And I asked about hdfury specifically since it was well reviewed for PS3(basically the same function needed here), I want to confirm that one specific brand is compatible with Red, because I think that with adapters and converters you can never really be sure if they will work unless they have been tested.

[Alex Carr]

Instead of going HDMI to DVI the to VGA, I thought that a simple HDMI to VGA would be better.

And I asked about hdfury specifically since it was well reviewed for PS3(basically the same function needed here), I want to confirm that one specific brand is compatible with Red, because I think that with adapters and converters you can never really be sure if they will work unless they have been tested.

Not same function as PS3... Red One is DVI not HDMI. PS3 is HDMI

[Mo Kamal]

So you're saying that the hdmi port on the red carries a dvi signal?

I never really researched this whole dvi (vs) hdmi thing, but if it is like you're saying
then it still doesn't really matter, because the red's hdmi which is actually dvi still works on many hdmi screens, so basically it acts like hdmi. right?

[Alex Carr]

Not Really... Its very hard to say 'exactly' what it is... But from all my experience it is a HDMI that carries DVI.

One thing I use is a HD-SDi to HDMI AJA Converter Box. (Whenever I'm not using a 720 or 1080 HD-SDI Monitor). This lets the HDMI act as a more robust HDMI Connection, I have not run into a HDTV that wont take this signal from the AJA.

[Mo Kamal]

well I searched for a bit and I couldn't find any HD-SDi adapters to do what I want.

I'm looking at another solution: maybe a HDMI Female to DVI Female Adapter like this one http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Female-DVI-D-Adapter/dp/B0002L5RQE

along with a DVI-D to VGA adapter like this one which I already own http://store.apple.com/us/product/M8754G/A


I'm thinking that this way I don't spend much money and make use of my VGA screens.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

HDMI is based on a the DVI spec. The video signal format is the same. That's why you can use a simple cable or adapter to switch between HDMI and DVI. Think of HDMI as simply a compact DVI-D connector that also carries multichannel digital audio and adheres to a specific subset of signal timings to keep it compatible with most HDTV hardware.

The RED's HDMI port and the signal that comes out of it is not really out of spec, it's just that many HDTVs don't like the uncommon dimensions of the image.

The DVI to VGA adapter you have linked at the Apple store will not work here. That is for connecting to the DVI-I port of a Mac or most any PC that has DVI-I functionality. The -I denotes integrated analog and digital signal hardware and means that VGA or RGBHV signals can be sent out of the DVI port and into a VGA / RGBHV monitor with one of these adapter cables. And Apple is charging way too much... That's really a $4 cable adapter.

If you want to convert DVI-D (-D is digital output only) to VGA, you will need an expensive converter box like AJA, Key Digital, Matrox, Gefen, etc.. And most of them will be just as finicky, if not more so, than HDMI or DVI monitors you connect directly to the RED with the proper cable.

[Mo Kamal]

The DVI to VGA adapter you have linked at the Apple store will not work here. That is for connecting to the DVI-I port of a Mac or most any PC that has DVI-I functionality. The -I denotes integrated analog and digital signal hardware and means that VGA or RGBHV signals can be sent out of the DVI port and into a VGA / RGBHV monitor with one of these adapter cables. And Apple is charging way too much... That's really a $4 cable adapter.

If you want to convert DVI-D (-D is digital output only) to VGA, you will need an expensive converter box like AJA, Key Digital, Matrox, Gefen, etc.. And most of them will be just as finicky, if not more so, than HDMI or DVI monitors you connect directly to the RED with the proper cable.

Yes I realized after I posted that it was DVI-I not DVI-D, still wouldn't something like this (HDMI female to DVI-I female adapter) + that apple adapter + VGA screen work, or do you know of a reason why a box would still be needed?

[jimhare]

What Jeff said. It is very much HDMI, just not necessarily what the consumer standard sets want to see. I have it working via HDMI in full 1080 (playback only, live is 720), complete with audio just fine.

DVI even more consistent, just lose the audio and 1080.

[Uli Plank]

There are cables with HDMI on one end and DVI on the other. They all work both ways. The difference between HDMI and DVI is HDCP copy protection, which is mandatory for HDMI, but optional for DVI. If the source doesn't impose HDCP (and the RED doesn't), that's irrelevant.
If the RED is set to output straight 720 or 1080, every monitor should accept it. If it's set to show the surrounding area and controls, only computer monitors will sync.

[Mo Kamal]

I don't get what you mean exactly by this:



If the RED is set to output straight 720 or 1080, every monitor should accept it.

or this:



If it's set to show the surrounding area and controls, only computer monitors will sync.

would you elaborate please.

[rulevu]

HDMI is based on a the DVI spec. The video signal format is the same. That's why you can use a simple cable or adapter to switch between HDMI and DVI. Think of HDMI as simply a compact DVI-D connector that also carries multichannel digital audio and adheres to a specific subset of signal timings to keep it compatible with most HDTV hardware.

The RED's HDMI port and the signal that comes out of it is not really out of spec, it's just that many HDTVs don't like the uncommon dimensions of the image.

The DVI to VGA adapter you have linked at the Apple store will not work here. That is for connecting to the DVI-I port of a Mac or most any PC that has DVI-I functionality. The -I denotes integrated analog and digital signal hardware and means that VGA or RGBHV signals can be sent out of the DVI port and into a VGA / RGBHV monitor with one of these adapter cables. And Apple is charging way too much... That's really a $4 cable adapter.

If you want to convert DVI-D (-D is digital output only) to VGA, you will need an expensive converter box like AJA, Key Digital, Matrox, Gefen, etc.. And most of them will be just as finicky, if not more so, than HDMI or DVI monitors you connect directly to the RED with the proper cable.

its not possible to connect red HDMI - VGA monitor? with this cable?
http://images.virtualvillage.com/006432-005/001.jpg

[Jeff Kilgroe]

its not possible to connect red HDMI - VGA monitor? with this cable?
http://images.virtualvillage.com/006432-005/001.jpg

And just what cable is that? Unless it has internal circuitry (and I don't see any such evidence of a converter there), then it will not work. Oddball cables like that usually have specific purposes, like connecting an HDMI feed to a signal processor of sorts, not for direct connection to a VGA monitor. The signals are completely different.

To connect the RED HDMI output to a VGA/RGB display, you need to actually convert the HDMI (DVI-D[igital]) signal to analog RGB. You need a converter such as the HD Fury mentioned in this thread.

However, I don't know if the HD Fury specifically works. I doubt that it does work with the extended format monitoring mode of the RED One. Looking in the forums, people are having lots of issues with signal timings that are just slightly off normal from typical HD output devices. I bought an HD Fury when it was first released, but returned it after I was unable to use it to drive a 36" RCA EDTV nor a Sony 24" widescreen monitor.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Yes I realized after I posted that it was DVI-I not DVI-D, still wouldn't something like this (HDMI female to DVI-I female adapter) + that apple adapter + VGA screen work, or do you know of a reason why a box would still be needed?

I know this is an old post, but this still will not work.

DVI-I is a connector type. The "I" stands for "integrated standard" which means this is the type of DVI connector that can transport both analog and digital formats. The HDMI output on the RED is DIGITAL ONLY. So you can still use an adapter like this, or any HDMI to DVI cable, to change the connector to DVI. But you will still need some sort of external converter to change the signal from digital HDMI/DVI to a different format.

The Apple DVI to VGA adapter requires the Apple system to output the analog RGB signal over the DVI port. Essentially the system is sending the VGA signal over the DVI connector and then you use Apple's adapter to put that signal onto a proper VGA connector.

The RED One camera does not do this. It only outputs a digital HDMI/DVI compliant signal. If you want any other format (VGA, RGBHV, YUV, etc..) you must have a conversion system of some kind.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Someone should probably give one of these a try...

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=1209

Matrox and AJA also make some nice conversion solutions.

[rulevu]

thank you Jeff