Meet Mr.T... in full 5k. [Archive]

Torrey Loomis

04-09-2009, 01:07 AM

That image is very clean, Jarred.

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Jarred Land

04-09-2009, 01:15 AM

That image is very clean, Jarred.

Straight frame pulled from 5k 24fps motion.

No pixel correction, no sharpening, no photoshop magic.

Sanjin Jukic

04-09-2009, 01:17 AM

Amazing!!!

When "a long ago promissed" upgrade program from Mysterium to Mysterium-X will start?!

Steven Swigart

04-09-2009, 01:19 AM

Pretty awesome. :beer:

Although the turtle looks a bit scary when viewed full size. :couch:

Cüneyt Kaya

04-09-2009, 01:20 AM

Straight frame pulled from 5k 24fps motion.

No pixel correction, no sharpening, no photoshop magic.

wow...clean.

sorry if this known....but how much asa has the new sensor?
and its daylight balanced i guess,right?

Jarred Land

04-09-2009, 01:22 AM

Amazing!!!

When "a long ago promissed" upgrade program from Mysterium to Mysterium-X will start?!

We never make promises so you must be mistaken Sanjin... but since you asked the upgrade development is going along very well.

It should be a very nice summer for RED ONE owners...

Sanjin Jukic

04-09-2009, 01:28 AM

We never make promises so you must be mistaken... but so far so good.

It should be a very nice summer for RED ONE owners...

Thanks Jarred.

Great news!

Mike Jacks

04-09-2009, 01:58 AM

Wow! Just :yikes: WOW! Great job guys! :thumbsup:

HyderBilgrami

04-09-2009, 02:43 AM

Such a sharp image !!!

Rob Castiglione

04-09-2009, 02:48 AM

Its not just a sharp or clean image. Its a beautiful image.

Radoslav Karapetkov

04-09-2009, 04:32 AM

Hello Mr. T,

You're one sharp looking dude.

:cool:

Mark L. Pederson

04-09-2009, 05:07 AM

I'm so damn excited for the new cameras I can't stand it !!!

Graeme Nattress

04-09-2009, 05:14 AM

If you can't stand it, Mark, you'll have to sit down and have a strong drink...

Graeme

Pawel Achtel

04-09-2009, 05:20 AM

Ahhh, 100mm. That's precisely what doctor ordered :drool5:

Mark L. Pederson

04-09-2009, 05:32 AM

If you can't stand it, Mark, you'll have to sit down and have a strong drink...

Graeme

It really is just mind-numbing what you guys have done.

It seems like only yesterday that Ted told me he was going to leave AJA and build a camera with the founder of Oakley. I remember looking at him for a long moment and then asking "do you have the sensor?" - to which he replied .... "no. but we're gonna build it". I laughed.

I'm still laughing. But now, it's because I remain in awe of all that you guys have done and continue to do - and how much fun you have along the way.

If RED was somehow rendered obsolete tomorrow - you would still have one of the wildest, great stories in the history of cinema ...

See ya in Vegas!

David Morgan

04-09-2009, 05:37 AM

That is just...wow. Man, I need new lenses. Great work

"Gamera is really neat,
he is full of turtle meat.
We like eating Gamera!"

Vince K

04-09-2009, 05:48 AM

Stunning!!

Steven Hilder

04-09-2009, 06:17 AM

While the image is beautifully noise-free, I can't help noticing significant debayer artifacts:

[crop from top-left corner attached, shown at 200%, exaggerated (a lot) with contrast]

This doesn't really bother me, as I intend to resample in post down to 2K or HD, but I'd be interested in hearing RED's comments on this - was this just a 'quick & dirty' debayer?

Also, at 5220x2740, this shot appears to show the entire S35 chip area, including the masked 64x16 frame (which I understand is for calibrating black levels?). This leaves a 5092x2708 active image area - slightly less than the 5120-pixel width that many people expected, and with no room for any horizonal look-around at 5K 2:1.

I posted similar comments in Jim's Recon thread about image circles; I'm looking forward to seeing the full official details on available resolutions, sensor sizes and look-around options. The term "5K" doesn't really tell the whole story.

Graeme Nattress

04-09-2009, 06:24 AM

No, it's a prototype demosaic that is still being tuned to the new sensors.

Graeme

Ian Slessor

04-09-2009, 06:47 AM

I was expecting a mohawk and an unhealthy amount of gold chain.

This is better. Not by much but better. :thumbsup:

ian

Rudi Herbert

04-09-2009, 06:50 AM

David Battistella

04-09-2009, 06:55 AM

That's just mind numbing....

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David

Jonathan Stevenson

04-09-2009, 07:00 AM

Holy Shallow Focus, Batman!!!

Jaime Vallés

04-09-2009, 07:34 AM

I pity the fool who tries to compete against RED...:costumed-smiley-047

Gorgeous shot, Jarred!

J. Eric Camp

04-09-2009, 07:48 AM

Jarred, you are having too much fun.

Ian Slessor

04-09-2009, 07:51 AM

Mr. T has a hair on his face.

Just sayin' as the image is so detailed.

ian

Mark L. Pederson

04-09-2009, 07:57 AM

Jarred, you are having too much fun.

I wonder what reptile will be next ....?

I think Jarred needs to shoot a PLEO (http://www.pleoworld.com/)

Ryan Valle

04-09-2009, 08:19 AM

Can I request that you use an eagle for the next test? I would love to see an eagle in 5k. :)

Ian Laurie

04-09-2009, 08:45 AM

I think viewing that file in full glory qualifies me for turtle optometry.

Matthew Verkler

04-09-2009, 09:29 AM

I've filmed the real Mr. T in the past several years, and he's great to work with, but I think I prefer this Mr. T for a 5K closeup - no offense Mr . T !!

Seriously, great shot Jarred. AFAIK, this is the first image we are seeing from the new sensor that is not a screen grab, and the first image that really shows us where this is going. I've now pulled my kids out of school to work in a sweatshop to help pay for the Epic X upgrade. With the bit of extra time that Jim says we have, it might be enough to fully cover it!

Matthew Verkler

Joshua Brown

04-09-2009, 09:37 AM

Hehe, Mt T. Is awesome. But isn't very photogenic. Ah well, I suppose you could say that about alot of stars at 5k. :) cheers:beer:

-Josh

Casey Green

04-09-2009, 09:42 AM

It really is just mind-numbing what you guys have done.

It seems like only yesterday that Ted told me he was going to leave AJA and build a camera with the founder of Oakley. I remember looking at him for a long moment and then asking "do you have the sensor?" - to which he replied .... "no. but we're gonna build it". I laughed.

I'm still laughing. But now, it's because I remain in awe of all that you guys have done and continue to do - and how much fun you have along the way.

If RED was somehow rendered obsolete tomorrow - you would still have one of the wildest, great stories in the history of cinema ...

See ya in Vegas!

Post of the year! :thumbup1:

Laurent AZEMA

04-09-2009, 09:43 AM

I wonder what reptile will be next ....?

I think Jarred needs to shoot a PLEO (http://www.pleoworld.com/)

It seems that Jarred don't like moving target :)

Jarred Land

04-09-2009, 09:55 AM

It seems that Jarred don't like moving target :)

If you only knew... Mr. T must of been raised on Red Bull and speed balls.. I never knew turtles could move so fast :)

Carl Larsen

04-09-2009, 10:00 AM

Jarred, my ex1 hates you.

Laurent AZEMA

04-09-2009, 10:34 AM

If you only knew... Mr. T must of been raised on Red Bull and speed balls.. I never knew turtles could move so fast :)

Welcome to 5k Speedy Turtle :)

Pietro Impagliazzo

04-09-2009, 10:34 AM

that does look good!

Focus plane is about half inch/1.7 cm, notice how Mr. T is only sharp from nose tip to about behind the eyes, that's some very shallow focus plane indeed. What aperture were you using and how far from T were you Jarred, if you can remember of course?

Maybe more than 85mm with close to wide-open aperture?

:sifone:

And man... We would all love seeing some exterior shots. :)

Thom Steinhoff

04-09-2009, 10:49 AM

It should be a very nice summer for RED ONE owners...

"Nice Summer for RED ONE owners" in a 5K Mysterium X thread...

Sounds sort of like a commitment to me :beer: :thumbsup: :beer:

Let me see summer is usually considered to start on Memorial Day weekend, the last Monday in May....:)

Eric.T

04-09-2009, 12:00 PM

i cant wait to buy my scarlet! do you have any video available?

David Wesemann

04-09-2009, 12:19 PM

You really chose some of the most relaxed guys for these tests.

But I guess unlike T and Izzy, a real guinea pig wouldn't sit still for an hour long testing session.

Alexander Nikishin

04-09-2009, 12:26 PM

=) lookin good.....And no Jarred, we're not cheaters, it's just a healthy curiosity. ;)

Jarred Land

04-09-2009, 12:33 PM

Curiosity is never Heathy... remember, it killed the cat :)

Alexander Nikishin

04-09-2009, 12:37 PM

Luckily I don't own any, so my conscience is clean. =)

Mark Whatmore

04-09-2009, 12:46 PM

Awesome - even the turtle has a tear in it's eye -

Mark

C.H.Haskell

04-09-2009, 01:12 PM

Awesome feller there Jarred, I have a little red ear slider named Pebble who was my 1st subject when I received the uhmm, the 4k camera? The RED ONE...thats it. Nice clean images, loving it man...keep em coming sir. :)

Ryan S

04-09-2009, 01:18 PM

Fantastic screen! Like I needed any more reasons to be salivating over Red glass...

Tim Fassnacht

04-09-2009, 01:29 PM

jarred-

What kind of DR are you guys getting right now with the new Chip? Im so fricken stoked to shoot with the new sensors....

Michael Moreno

04-09-2009, 01:51 PM

Jarred,

What MP sensor is used on this image?
The redone is 12MP correct?
and this is?

Justin O'Neill

04-09-2009, 02:15 PM

Jarred,

What MP sensor is used on this image?
The redone is 12MP correct?
and this is?

The turtle image is 5220 x 2740 so that would be 14.3MP.

Jeff Kilgroe

04-09-2009, 02:17 PM

Assuming 5K 16:9, that would be 5120x2880 or 14.7 MP.

The RED One only has a 11.4 MP active area, but currently max recording size is 4096x2304 which is about 9.4 MP. It seems Justin is a bit faster and he's right on the dimensions of the Mr. T image, but it is matted on black.

Justin O'Neill

04-09-2009, 02:24 PM

Good point, Jeff.

David Wyatt

04-09-2009, 02:32 PM

Wow, the thing that hits you straight away looking at the full 5K image zoomed in, is how crazy-shallow the DOF is...only half a tortoise eyeball in focus while the other eyeball is well out of focus!! Any idea what stop this was shot at?

BTW are you guys building Noah's Ark down there...I can't wait to see what creature will feature next :laugh:

Raphael Varandas

04-09-2009, 02:39 PM

Very Nice, clean and superb image.
Keep doing this job guys.
Speechless!!

David Mullen ASC

04-09-2009, 02:58 PM

CK Olsen

04-09-2009, 02:58 PM

Jarred...Nice shot!
But I am curious... assumng that the whole "brain" thing is still part of the present red equation, which "model" would be considered closest to the prototype you shot this with?
Epic?
Epic-X?
FF35?

Jarred Land

04-09-2009, 04:33 PM

Nice images... but it would be more informative to see the same image shot on the original RED ONE Mysterium sensor as well, side-by-side as a point of comparison, and preferably something without such shallow focus, like a medium or wide shot of something with a lot of detail.

I tend to find close-focus photography even with ordinary hi-def cameras to be quite detailed-looking... so I have no clue here whether what I'm seeing is truly an improvement over the previous generation of Mysterium, or over anything else for that matter. But it certainly looks nice and I guess it proves that it works!

Noted David.... The motivation behind this shot was to just give you a peak behind the curtains ( like we usually do), it is by no means meant to be used for analysis sake.... as I mentioned in the first post, this image does not have any pixel correction or any other in camera (or out ) processing so a comparison would be pretty moot.

Internally, there is great value to us testing close focus distances at open apertures and seeing the results... for both our lens program and sensor program. I just thought this was pretty and decided to share.

If images like this really have little to no value to you guys I will weigh your well respected advice and consider refraining from posting these sort of things.

Thx.

Jason Burkhimer

04-09-2009, 04:45 PM

If images like this really have little to no value to you guys I will weigh your well respected advice and consider refraining from posting these sort of things.

Thx.

A little comment fishing, hmmm?? haha, j/k image looks amazing!

-burk

David Mullen ASC

04-09-2009, 04:46 PM

They are fun, and there's always value in that. They show that the thing works and delivers, which is of course, darn important. Beyond that and I am hesitant to read any more into them. Obviously you should keep posting them judging by the excitement they cause -- I can only speak for myself in regards to their informative value.

I guess what I'm concerned about are people trying to analyze this in terms of being "5K", etc. There simply isn't enough information here to go on in terms of whether this is visibly better than RED ONE's 4K.

Antoine Fabi

04-09-2009, 04:59 PM

INCREDIBLE!!!!!

Look at that smoothness, that definition, that color richness...even after jpeg compression...

Well, Graeme, i think you're right...
...going to have a VERY strong drink...

So...Jarred, please repeat the program and delivery schedule are going well....PLEASE.

That color...

Amazing work guys.

Antoine

Jarred Land

04-09-2009, 05:26 PM

Taylor F.

04-09-2009, 05:59 PM

Down the road, when you get around to posting some high-frame-rate Epic footage, I'd love to see a Jesus Lizard hot stepping it at 350fps.

Come on, I know you have one of them kicking around the Red Zoo...

JD Holloway

04-09-2009, 06:10 PM

No, it's a prototype demosaic that is still being tuned to the new sensors.

Graeme

Jeeze Louise! While the demo pattern is certainly visible, at that magnification you're going to see the pores in the acoustic screen too! LOL.
Graeme work your magic!

Petr Dvorak

04-09-2009, 06:59 PM

now I know why Red want to build some ranch at LV, actually it will be Red ZOO :costumed-smiley-047:sifone:

Ralph B.

04-09-2009, 07:00 PM

Some choose to acknowledge what they can't tell about the image. Well just looking at it for what it is all I have to say is WOW!!! Clearly this particular image puts a frame grab from this sensor on par with anything I've seen from the best photography has to offer!

Sure 100's of pictures in different situations need to be viewed to make this statement more definitively, but just the knowledge given and the image itself are enough for me to draw some very positive conclusions.

I'll be looking forward to more images (still and moving) in different circumstances especially high contrast natural light stuff, but no reason to complain about anything I've seen thus far. Did I say WOW??!!!!

P.S. Since you're listening to the peanut gallery. Do you have any footage of something high speed??? Say a Cheetah chasing a Thompson's Gazelle from daylight, into the shade, back into daylight, at say 100-200fps where the cheetah takes up most of the frame, and the chase is coming towards the camera? If you have some of that just laying around from your monstro chip and and your auto-focusing lenses could you please post that? I'd like that so I can also critique the shortcomings of your lens auto-focusing systems. And oh yeah I want that full res un-retouched still when the cheetah is half in daylight and half in the shade. ;-)

Jarred Land

04-09-2009, 08:37 PM

P.S. Since you're listening to the peanut gallery. Do you have any footage of something high speed??? Say a Cheetah chasing a Thompson's Gazelle from daylight, into the shade, back into daylight, at say 100-200fps where the cheetah takes up most of the frame, and the chase is coming towards the camera? If you have some of that just laying around from your monstro chip and and your auto-focusing lenses could you please post that? I'd like that so I can also critique the shortcomings of your lens auto-focusing systems. And oh yeah I want that full res un-retouched still when the cheetah is half in daylight and half in the shade. ;-)

no problem.. ill get to that tomorrow :)

Tom Lowe

04-09-2009, 08:56 PM

I see why he's called Mr T and not Mr Handsome. :)

But the shot looks really great. I'm guessing that this type of 5K-acquired Redcode RAW footage is going to look ridiculously awesome at 4K. So much so, that DPs and directors are going to start throwing their 35mm cameras down the laundry chute and picking up 5K+ red cameras at a much, much faster pace than most people expect.

Jannard

04-09-2009, 09:32 PM

Kevin Olsen

04-09-2009, 10:03 PM

nothing ingenious to add here other than WOW.

You don't need any free interns do you? :-)

KO

Christian Edwards

04-09-2009, 10:09 PM

A thing of beauty is a joy for ever :)
Very effective picture thanks Lander

p.s Post your turtle soup recipe here

William Young

04-10-2009, 03:17 AM

The people in the red team loves animals! first a dog, after that a lizard and now a turtle! what will come next? "earthworm in 5k! "

- It will look awsome!

Petr Dvorak

04-10-2009, 05:10 AM

The people in the red team loves animals! first a dog, after that a lizard and now a turtle! what will come next? "earthworm in 5k! "

- It will look awsome!

new milk girls :sifone:

Ross Birkbeck

04-10-2009, 05:13 AM

Sorry to be pedantic, but it's not a turtle...
:)

Christian Edwards

04-10-2009, 05:15 AM

Sorry to be pedantic, but it's not a turtle...
:)
tortoise?

John Restivo

04-10-2009, 09:09 AM

Just to set the record straight Mr.T is a Three-Toed Box Turtle.....=)

Joe G.

04-10-2009, 09:48 AM

Álex Montoya

04-10-2009, 10:11 AM

The image is VERY sharp, I would say it's way sharper than the RED ONE footage seen at 100% magnification.

I've played a bit with it in Photoshop and it shows more than 4K pixels of effective horizontal resolution.

Could it be that you are using a light (or not at all) low-pass filter in this prototype?

Just curious.

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BTW, after quite some commercials, short films and industrial vids, our Red One just finished its first feature in Valencia, Spain.

It has been five weeks of shooting for this film (http://www.soitu.es/soitu/2009/03/24/info/1237908836_214768.html?id=81ee49c7d5f47fff3d08af75 1ece79e2&tm=1239384372). It was the first feature length film shot in Valencia with the Red One camera and everyone was very happy with its reliability and image quality.

So kudos to the Red team. Thanks a lot for a great tool.

Jannard

04-10-2009, 10:14 AM

Jared,

This looks very nice -- BUT -- it's not testing the one thing holding back the Red (in my opinion), the DYNAMIC RANGE.

When is someone going to walk outside and point it at some bright clouds with the sun behind them?

The Mysterium-X sensor has over a full stop more DR than a Mysterium sensor. We will obviously demonstrate that well before anyone can buy or upgrade to the M-X. We are bringing up the new sensors, test boards and calibration now. It will be some time before we shake out the system, get it mobile and post some images. We'll also shoot Stouffer's of both in the same setup. Lots of image presentation to come, but hold on to your horses. We aren't ready yet. In the meantime, we are just including the community in on the fun. We see it, you see it.

Jim

Airlawn

04-10-2009, 11:09 AM

The Mysterium-X sensor has over a full stop more DR than a Mysterium sensor. We will obviously demonstrate that well before anyone can buy or upgrade to the M-X. We are bringing up the new sensors, test boards and calibration now. It will be some time before we shake out the system, get it mobile and post some images. We'll also shoot Stouffer's of both in the same setup. Lots of image presentation to come, but hold on to your horses. We aren't ready yet. In the meantime, we are just including the community in on the fun. We see it, you see it.

Jim

Is the M-X expected to be rated the same as the original mysterium?

Häakon

04-10-2009, 09:32 PM

Nice shot, thanks for sharing it. Looks like it's got pretty low chroma noise, which is really pleasing to me. Can't wait to see more footage.

Roberto Lequeux

04-10-2009, 10:34 PM

That is big! :)
It looks great Jared! Thank you for sharing!

Well about that dynamic range, one more stop means you get the sane image you are used to from R1 and you get an added stop to use for nothing but highlight handling, right? Is that something that would be "burnt into" the sensor or the way that the brain or RR handles the data? I guess it would be the codec... so either this image is underexposed to keep their progress protected (as it should be) or they are using the added range for the top end... I am no guru or remotely close to that... anyone care to comment on how off base or not I may be?

And about noise, I tried to mess it up to see noise and I can't see much at all... again, I am no pro grader, or DP or what have you... but this stuff looks clean... I suppose .jpg smooths it out a bit, same for saving my experiment, but it is clean as heck right? I say so cause someone mentioned de-bayering issues not yet addressed by Graeme and the other pixel guru guys. I guess that is the vertical and horizontal patterns, right? (trippy picture is a 1:1)

I need some gurus to analyze the picture for my amusement, even if it isn't one designed for nitpicking. I have no life atm and this is fun for me, so pour urself a glass of your fav and post something that will enlighten me or at least entertain me, pls. :beer:

Deanan

04-10-2009, 10:40 PM

Is the M-X expected to be rated the same as the original mysterium?

The rating will absolutely be going up :)

Roberto Lequeux

04-10-2009, 10:43 PM

The rating will absolutely be going up :)

500 ISO? Or does your ":)" mean something completely unexpected?

I think 500 ISO is extremely likely... that is my completely irrelevant guess.

jbeale

04-10-2009, 10:56 PM

Well about that dynamic range, one more stop means you get the sane image you are used to from R1 and you get an added stop to use for nothing but highlight handling, right?
[...]
I need some gurus to analyze the picture for my amusement, even if it isn't one designed for nitpicking.

I think of highlight headroom as a concept for film cameras, or video cameras with built-in nonlinear curves. With digital systems that are linear up to a hard clip limit, you normally expose for the highlights regardless of how much dynamic range the camera has. If you have one more stop of dynamic range, that means the darks are cleaner, so you have one more stop of latitude in post to push everything up (if you want) without noise becoming as objectionable as quickly.

As far as the demo image, their debayer isn't tweaked in yet so there are pixel-level grid and bar patterns; and even if it was, there's little point in pixel-peeping a heavily compressed JPEG image. I'd say just enjoy it for what it is.

Roberto Lequeux

04-10-2009, 11:07 PM

I guess I also forgot about the 8-bit jpg thing which would not push as well as RAW... but although there isn't much to extract, I think the image speaks for itself anyway right?

It looks cleaner than R1, doesn't it? This IS a non-messed with image.

Meh... maybe I just better STFU and just pity myself for being an over exited foo' :)

Thanks jbeale!

Gavin Greenwalt

04-10-2009, 11:16 PM

From what I've read from people who actually understand the physics behind a silicon sensor (which is certainly not myself) almost all additional latitude is found in the shadows. So if it has one more stop of DR I would assume that's one more stop of sensitivity in the noise floor.

Roberto Lequeux

04-10-2009, 11:31 PM

But wasn't the undisputed top concern with digital/RR vs. film the way that the highlights are handled, how they clip out so abruptly?

Jeff Kilgroe

04-10-2009, 11:41 PM

Snow R. Shai

04-10-2009, 11:49 PM

Thanks for posting this.
The image looks spectacular!
Jarred, these posts are important. Pls keep them coming.
Actually, it would be great if you can add an extra 23 frames each second and post that...
Yeah, so keep us updated, thank you.

Roberto Lequeux

04-11-2009, 02:01 AM

I think people are analyzing the Mr. T picture a little too much. It's a prototype image from a prototype camera. That aside, it does look pretty good. There's that whole moire or mosaic pattern throughout the whole image, but like they said, it's a prototype or beta demosaic on a prototype sensor... This is just a taste of what is to come.

Certainly. Just to clarify, I am completely stoked with Mr.T in 5k and super stoked with hearing from Jarred and the rest of the Red team. I just didn't think it was something that needed clarification at this point. :beer:

Simon Valderrama

04-11-2009, 04:59 AM

MYSTERIUM-X , RED PRO PRIME 100mm

http://www.redgrabs.com/up/1239309089.jpg
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Wow. Image quality and actual resolution seems improved alot from what i'm used to see on my R1, but i guess is both thanks to the sensor and thanks to the Red PRO Prime ... wonder how the same subject would come out with an R1 and the same prime, maybe would be a Red Primes seller test!

Eki Halkka

04-11-2009, 09:56 AM

But wasn't the undisputed top concern with digital/RR vs. film the way that the highlights are handled, how they clip out so abruptly?

A linear digital image will clip to white harshly by definition. It's OK, it's the way it's supposed to be.

If there's enough dynamic range, you can make a nonlinear gamma curve that will compress your highlights any way you wish. Just like any given film or more. This is done in-camera with most systems, in the post production with raw footage like the RED.

Ralph B.

04-11-2009, 11:08 AM

I remember a while back Jim posted shots of wild animals and eagles he took himself at ridiculously close range

I remeber that too. Those shots were amazing! Nature really is tough, it doesn't exactly take cues.

I really can't express how groundbreaking the DSMC is going to be for photography using stills pulled from a motion sequence. Currently stills photographers kind of have to anticipate guess or rely on dumb luck to get a really good shot. Soon they will be able to just frame the action, go back to the moments of significance and isolate the best of a stream of images. ALL OF THESE IMAGES FROM RED ARE PULLED FROM THE MOTION!!! Stills guys currently can do about 10fps, with RED we really are talking an exponential increase. The other hybrid cameras would allow you to do this at HD resolution at whatever type of compression that their video allows. That would be OK for some items on the web, but not much. (Note to RED: a plug in for Aperture & Lightroom that takes clips and arranges them in lightbox configuration would help)

When you couple that with the configurability of the cameras themselves you really are talking about something that changes the game. I almost always believe that the skill will always produce the better image, but this stuff is one of those things that just gives you more chances. So you could photoshop the group photo to get a shot where nobody is blinking or you could just grab the frame that works.

Tangentially if they are in a really great spot the could license an image to a number of different entities each having there own image.

Roberto B

04-11-2009, 01:05 PM

It should be a very nice summer for RED ONE owners...not later than summer?.. :yikes:

Roberto Lequeux

04-11-2009, 03:52 PM

This is done in-camera with most systems, in the post production with raw footage like the RED.

Exactly, so I guess my question is if an under exposed image's histogram look like this one does? Jared said it was un-touched and it seems to have a very long roll off, or whatever the proper way to describe it might be.

Eki Halkka

04-11-2009, 05:05 PM

Exactly, so I guess my question is if an under exposed image's histogram look like this one does? Jared said it was un-touched and it seems to have a very long roll off, or whatever the proper way to describe it might be.

I'd say it's impossible to make any conclusions of the dynamic range based on this jpg image. It's of a pretty low contrast subject, and the blacks seem to be crushed. I assume the new RED cameras will be able to cope with much more difficult shots than this.

Roberto Lequeux

04-11-2009, 05:10 PM

the blacks seem to be crushed

They do seem a little too perfect... anywho. I am done over-doing this. :)

Thanks for your posts.

Roberto B

04-11-2009, 07:08 PM

Halsu is a free spirit.. often seen at hv20 forums.. be welcome man..

one thing for sure though.. when he will say it is.. you do not need to read the c.com pages.. ehehehehehe

edit
just kidding.. me'd prefer free spirits such as halsu..
my doubts on the c.com fanboys.. yeah fanboys.. not only red have them..
dislike fanboys anyway.. nice animal jarred btw.. we're safe.. no flowers over here lol

Stefan Christou

04-13-2009, 07:52 AM

I remember a while back Jim posted shots of wild animals and eagles he took himself at ridiculously close range

Link?

Casey Green

04-13-2009, 07:22 PM

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=124412&postcount=1

(Remember, when viewing, download first by using "Save Link As")

Tim Whitcomb

04-13-2009, 11:23 PM

Straight frame pulled from 5k 24fps motion.

No pixel correction, no sharpening, no photoshop magic.

the operative words being "pulled from 24fps motion" that kicks ass.

I love the repitle motiff...

cant wait to see the 617 godzilla sensor :)

Jonathan Payne

04-14-2009, 12:47 PM

taking a break from the technical details of what we're looking at here for a second: Does anyone else agree that he's adorable? The way is beak is shaped and the angle at which it's filmed makes him look like he's smiling. :)

BTW: I've met Mr T (the actor) and he's the nicest and most positive person I've ever met.

Okay back on topic....

Tim Fassnacht

04-14-2009, 01:16 PM

The rating will absolutely be going up :)

higher than 320ISO i hope?

hope so.

Jonathon Laing

04-14-2009, 10:15 PM

Jarred could we see Mr T in motion. Even if it isn't in 5k.

Cheers

Jono

Stefan Christou

04-15-2009, 08:18 AM

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=124412&postcount=1

(Remember, when viewing, download first by using "Save Link As")

Thanks. Lovely shots of some bald (fully feathered) eagles.

Rob H.

04-29-2009, 11:22 PM

The MR. T shot was just too much. I had to jump in and join RedUser after a year or so creeping around here. What is awesome about that is that a still frame pulled from the 24p motion- not a static shot- WOW!

Tony de Vries

07-26-2009, 03:29 PM

Why shoot a turtle at 24p? They hardly move. :hat:

Great shot, great quality!

KETCH ROSSi

07-26-2009, 06:41 PM

MYSTERIUM-X , RED PRO PRIME 100mm

http://www.redgrabs.com/up/1239318144.jpg (http://www.redgrabs.com/up/1239309089.jpg)

Full 5k jpg:

http://www.redgrabs.com/up/1239309089.jpg

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This is just amazing! Especially when considering some of the reviewed RPP which refer to the 100mm as the focal length good but not as good as the other focal in the RPP, personally I have not seen such difference.

Also it is pretty incredible how shallow the DOF is on this image considering the T*1.8 of this lens, I shot similar images @ T*1.3, just to get one eye in focus when the subject is almost perfectly strait front positioned as the Turtle here,

Great shot Jarred, so much look forward to the new releases :).

ciao

Tim Whitcomb

07-26-2009, 07:08 PM

I was just going to write that about 100mm Great mind indeed think alike!

I cant wait until this is available in EPIC. Yes, FF35 is going to be cool, but this in a new and lighter form factor is going to rock.

1. Red Pro Primes
2. Red Undead
3. Red Rocket
4. Red Build 20 New Color Science
5. RED ROCKETCINE-X

Awesome summer indeed Jarred. Thanks RED!

So Jim, how IS the ASIC testing? Hope its going smashingly well, fingers crossed on having this X sensor in our hands in 2009.