New PL prime sets and zooms prices

[Sanjin Jukic]

The latest update about new lenses that coming up at NAB 2009:

From USA/Japan:

:head_explode:- RED Pro Primes (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29332) set of 5 lenses T1.8 (RED design, covers 5K sensor circle) 25, 35, 50, 85, 100mm priced at USD 19.000 Order Now>>> (http://www.red.com/store/203001)

- Fujinon HK4.7x18-F 18-85mm T2 (http://www.fujinon.com/DigitalCinema/Product.aspx?cat=-1&id=1200) PL mount S35mm zoom lens, the price still unknown.
Three other zoom lenses in the PL series include: the 14.5-45mm T2.0, 24-180mm T2.6, and 75-400mm T2.8 - T4.0 - with an anticipated delivery of December 2009.

- UniQOptics (http://www.freewebs.com/uniqoptics/avatarspecs.htm) 52mm FFD Precision Diascopes and a complete set of low cost, high quality T1.9 primes, 18,25,35,50,85,100mm all T1.9. All 110mm front dia. All cover S35.


From Germany:

- IB/E (+Schneider-Kreuznach, Shott) Rebel 4K set (http://www.rebel-lenses.com/) of 3 primes 25mm, 50mm, 95mm (S35mm?1) priced about 7.990,00 EUR. A full 5 Lens Set 25,35,50,75,95 mm 13.500,00 EUR

- IB/E (+Schneider-Kreuznach, Shott) Supreme series 5K set (http://www.ibe-optics.com/PL_Mount_Lenses_4K) starting wth 14 mm T 1,8 Demo lens will be shown at the NAB 2009 Hall C4 booth C8537.

:violin:- Carl Zeiss Compact Prime Set (http://www.zeiss.com/c125756900453232/Contents-Frame/042839dea0e28e5fc125756f003e6703) (FF35mm) 7 lenses 18mm T3.8, 21mm T2.9, 25mm T 2.9, 28mmT2.1, 35mm T2.1, 50mm T1.5 85mm T1.5 priced about USD 40.000.

- ISCO 4K lens set is still a mysterious talking... (!?). (http://www.isco.eu/index.php?id=taking-lenses)

From Russia and Germany are coming lenses designed by Lomo that are the fastest new lens set offer:

:bigear:- The Illumina Super 35mm lenses (http://www.lumatechinc.com/)will be sold as a set for US$32,5000, designed by Lomo, set (18,25,35,50,85)mm T1.3.

From UK:

Panchro by Cooke (http://www.cookeoptics.com/cooke.nsf/products/panchro.html), 18mm, 25mm, 32mm, 50mm, 75mm, 100mm, all at T2.8, /i Technology included, scheduled for late 2009, a price to be announced soon.

A couple of re-housed lenses:

- Rehoused zoom by Duclos/Tokina 11-16 T2.9 (APS-C) (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=27534), Manual Iris, the price could be under 3k(!!!???).

- Rehoused by Focus Optics/Nikon F/G 14mm-24mm T 2.9 (FF35mm) (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=28668), Manual Iris, the price about USD $10,500.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Hey Sanjin, Red's are supposed to be 5 for sure for under 20k. Or did they take that back?

Thanks for doing this.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Hey Sanjin, Red's are supposed to be 5 for sure for under 20k. Or did they take that back?

Thanks for doing this.

Now I heard they will show only 3 primes and later add more to have 5 or even 6 in the set.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here and just continue further... :beer: .

[Sanjin Jukic]

The latest info is that Mitch Gross (Abel Cinema) and Laagun talking about the same lenses...

so this sort of confusion and fogging is going to be clear at NAB.

[Roberto Lequeux]

I don't know, but they clearly stated that $20k would get you five primes, not three... :embarassed:

[Matthew Rogers]

Unless Michael from Band Pro has changed pricing in his post, the new Zeiss set is USD $40,000 not $30,000. Personally, I think that is way over priced considering the speed of the wider lenses.

Matthew

[Michael Bravin]

Unless Michael from Band Pro has changed pricing in his post, the new Zeiss set is USD $40,000 not $30,000. Personally, I think that is way over priced considering the speed of the wider lenses.

Matthew


Matthew $40,000 US is about 30,000 Euros
As of today .759euro cents equals 1 us dollar so they are harmonized prices.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Now I heard they will show only 3 primes and later add more to have 5 or even 6 in the set.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here and just continue further... :beer: .

I had a set of 5 in my hands at RED.

[Jean Déraps]

Mark: Lucky you!

[Sanjin Jukic]

I had a set of 5 in my hands at RED.

Mark,

thanks for the correction... :beer:

[Frank Weeks]

- New Carl Zeiss Compact PL prime set 18mm T3.8, 21mm T2.9, 25mm T 2.9, 28mmT2.1, 35mm T2.1, 50mm T1.5 85mm T1.5, USD 30.000.

Sanjin

Just to verify? 30.000 USD. Nice set, but the speed.

[Kevin Jones]

Sanjin:
According to price announced by Band Pro ( who is selling these new lenses)
this is the official word from their announcement:

"<30K Euro / $40K for a set of 7
Full sets will be available early July."

that would make them $39000 in todays US dollars

Regardless of whether folks think that is a good or bad price, your original post seems to indicate 30k USD
which probably needs verifying or correcting so folks know what's up
thanks for posting this though!

[Jannard]

To quote Larry Bird from an All-Star 3 point contest... "all you guys are playing for second..." :-)

Jim

[Mitch Gross]

Do not take the price of the Zeiss Compact Primes as an absolute. Not yet.

In fact, do not take the price of ANY of these lenses as an absolute. Not with all of this glass coming to market.

And the lenses that I and Laguun are talking about are in fact the same. And I never said where they come from and who makes them, so I would suggest editing the first post to correct this.

And Abel will have these AS WELL AS OTHERS at our booth next week. See you all there.

[Frank Weeks]

To quote Larry Bird from an All-Star 3 point contest... "all you guys are playing for second..." :-)

Jim

and he was right

[Jannard]

Do not take the price of the Zeiss Compact Primes as an absolute. Not yet.

In fact, do not take the price of ANY of these lenses as an absolute. Not with all of this glass coming to market.

And the lenses that I and Laguun are talking about are in fact the same. And I never said where they come from and who makes them, so I would suggest editing the first post to correct this.

And Abel will have these AS WELL AS OTHERS at our booth next week. See you all there.

Mitch... why not bring a sample of each to the Reduser party on Wed so we can help our customers really see how they all compare in optical and mechanical quality. :-)

Jim

[Michael Bravin]

To quote Larry Bird from an All-Star 3 point contest... "all you guys are playing for second..." :-)

Jim

To quote Jeff Kreines: Horses for Courses :-)

Personally I think there's enough food at the table for everyone to eat well.

[Frank Weeks]

Mitch... why not bring a sample of each to the Reduser party on Wed so we can help our customers really see how they all compare in optical and mechanical quality. :-)

Jim

Now that' s a real all-star shootout

[Mitch Gross]

Be there with bells on.

Of course a lens projector does not come close to telling all there is to know about the qualities of a lens. But it is an interesting start.

[Michael Bravin]

Be there with bells on.

Of course a lens projector does not come close to telling all there is to know about the qualities of a lens. But it is an interesting start.

Mitch

If you bring the lenses it may be more productive. Bells look weird projected :-)

Had to, just had to

[Sanjin Jukic]

And the lenses that I and Laguun are talking about are in fact the same. And I never said where they come from and who makes them, so I would suggest editing the first post to correct this.

And Abel will have these AS WELL AS OTHERS at our booth next week. See you all there.

Mitch,

corrected.

[Frank Weeks]

The rumble in the jungle at the Amazon Ballroom.

[paul engstrom]

I think Duclos was saying likely under $3000 USD

[Lee Saxon]

Rehoused by Focus Optics/Nikon F/G 14mm-24mm T 2.9 (FF35mm), Manual Iris about USD $10,500.


$8700 more than the stock lens just for manual aperture control? Does it also clean my house and bake a mean lasagna?!?!

[Matt Uhry]

$8700 more than the stock lens just for manual aperture control? Does it also clean my house and bake a mean lasagna?!?!


Hi Lee,

Modern cinema converted PL lenses are expensive and not for everyone. If you work on high level projects, you need to bring top notch gear and you are paid for it accordingly.

I'm not saying it's not painful for me to write the big checks, but when I look back over what was made in rentals, it confirms that at least for my needs and market I'm on the right path. Your results may vary.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

[Rick Darge]

When are we going to see moving samples from these lenses?

[Roberto Lequeux]

I had a set of 5 in my hands at RED.

Sweet! Thanks Mark. And it is very nice to see SJ updating the list, thanks! I was getting irritated trying to keep up with all this stuff.


To quote Larry Bird from an All-Star 3 point contest... "all you guys are playing for second..." :-)

Jim

Muahahaha... err... great to know kind sir. I believe you. Can't wait to hear about the roll out speed! :yikes:

[Roberto B]

Mitch... why not bring a sample of each to the Reduser party on Wed so we can help our customers really see how they all compare in optical and mechanical quality. :-)

Jimlooool :couch: you cannot hide yourself.. you're somehow a rebel :beer:

edit
be careful w/ your posts or someone will put the gang's label (medal.. medal) on you.. :biggrin:

[Jaime Vallés]

Thanks for the list, Sanjin! One thing I would change is this statement:


- RED Pro Primes set of 5 lenses (RED design/Sigma based glass and production, 5K sensor circle) priced about USD 20.000.

Every time anyone has brought up the "RED lenses are actually made by Sigma" theory, it gets shot down by the people at RED.

Even if it's true that they are made by Sigma, this hasn't been confirmed, so it should probably just say "designed in the USA, made in Japan" instead.

Nothing against Sigma. They actually make some really good modern lenses now. It just reads on this list as fact, when it's being explicitly denied by Mr. Jannard himself:

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=403669&postcount=135

Anyway, thanks for the list! It's great having all this info here in one place.

[Jannard]

I'm quite over this notion being carried along. RPPs are NOT made by Sigma, do NOT use Sigma glass and do NOT have one piece made by Sigma. This comes up again and I'm likely to get irritated. Nothing wrong with Sigma... just that they have nothing to do with RPPs.

Jim

[Sanjin Jukic]

I'm quite over this notion being carried along. RPPs are NOT made by Sigma, do NOT use Sigma glass and do NOT have one piece made by Sigma. This comes up again and I'm likely to get irritated. Nothing wrong with Sigma... just that they have nothing to do with RPPs.

Jim

Sorry Jim,

corrected :beer:.

[Dave Cooper]

I think it started because people were saying that because the glass design inside the lens almost matched one of Sigma's. Add snowball effect and you have an internet made "fact".

[Roberto Lequeux]

Thanks for keeping up with the list SJ.

[Sanjin Jukic]

The latest update about new lenses that coming up at NAB 2009:

From USA/Japan:

:head_explode:- RED Pro Primes (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29332) set of 5 lenses T1.8 (RED design, covers 5K sensor circle) 25, 35, 50, 85, 100mm priced at USD 19.000 Order Now>>> (http://www.red.com/store/203001)

- Fujinon HK4.7x18-F 18-85mm T2 (http://www.fujinon.com/DigitalCinema/Product.aspx?cat=-1&id=1200) PL mount S35mm zoom lens, the price still unknown.
Three other zoom lenses in the PL series include: the 14.5-45mm T2.0, 24-180mm T2.6, and 75-400mm T2.8 - T4.0 - with an anticipated delivery of December 2009.

- UniQOptics (http://www.freewebs.com/uniqoptics/avatarspecs.htm) 52mm FFD Precision Diascopes and a complete set of low cost, high quality T1.9 primes, 18,25,35,50,85,100mm all T1.9. All 110mm front dia. All cover S35.


From Germany:

- IB/E (+Schneider-Kreuznach, Shott) Rebel 4K set (http://www.rebel-lenses.com/) of 3 primes 25mm, 50mm, 95mm (S35mm?1) priced about 7.990,00 EUR. A full 5 Lens Set 25,35,50,75,95 mm 13.500,00 EUR

- IB/E (+Schneider-Kreuznach, Shott) Supreme series 5K set (http://www.ibe-optics.com/PL_Mount_Lenses_4K) starting wth 14 mm T 1,8 Demo lens will be shown at the NAB 2009 Hall C4 booth C8537.

:violin:- Carl Zeiss Compact Prime Set (http://www.zeiss.com/c125756900453232/Contents-Frame/042839dea0e28e5fc125756f003e6703) (FF35mm) 7 lenses 18mm T3.8, 21mm T2.9, 25mm T 2.9, 28mmT2.1, 35mm T2.1, 50mm T1.5 85mm T1.5 priced about USD 40.000.

- ISCO 4K lens set is still a mysterious talking... (!?). (http://www.isco.eu/index.php?id=taking-lenses)

From Russia and Germany are coming lenses designed by Lomo that are the fastest new lens set offer:

:bigear:- The Illumina Super 35mm lenses (http://www.lumatechinc.com/)will be sold as a set for US$32,5000, designed by Lomo, set (18,25,35,50,85)mm T1.3.

From UK:

Panchro by Cooke (http://www.cookeoptics.com/cooke.nsf/products/panchro.html), 18mm, 25mm, 32mm, 50mm, 75mm, 100mm, all at T2.8, /i Technology included, scheduled for late 2009, a price to be announced soon.

A couple of re-housed lenses:

- Rehoused zoom by Duclos/Tokina 11-16 T2.9 (APS-C) (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=27534), Manual Iris, the price could be under 3k(!!!???).

- Rehoused by Focus Optics/Nikon F/G 14mm-24mm T 2.9 (FF35mm) (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=28668), Manual Iris, the price about USD $10,500.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Nice, all links in one place under clear names :beer:


- Carl Zeiss Compact Prime Set (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29022) (FF35mm) 7 lenses 18mm T3.8, 21mm T2.9, 25mm T 2.9, 28mmT2.1, 35mm T2.1, 50mm T1.5 85mm T1.5 priced about USD 40.000.

^ Perhaps: (ZF optics in new cine barrels)

[Sanjin Jukic]

Nice, all links in one place under clear names :beer:



^ Perhaps: (ZF optics in new cine barrels)


Roberto,

correct! :beer:

[Stephen Williams]

I think it started because people were saying that because the glass design inside the lens almost matched one of Sigma's. Add snowball effect and you have an internet made "fact".

Hi,

The 18-50 & 50-150 match Sigma still lenses. Note that Jim was referring to the Red Prime lenses when denying any connection to Sigma.

Stephen

[Fred Salaff]

Please note:

The Illumina Super 35mm lenses (18,25,35,50,85) will be sold as a set for $32,5000. There is no set of three lenses in the Illumina series. These lenses are all T1.3. There is a NAB show special offer (PM me for this discount) for reservations accompanied by a 10% deposit. Delivery if the S35's begin Sept.

The Illumina Super 16mm lenses (8,9.5,16,25,50) used to be called "Optar" Illuminas. They are now back in full production and complete sets are available NOW. Price for this set of T1.3's is $16,900. If anyone wants to purchase the NAB show demo set they will get a hefty discount (pm me).

I hope this clarifies the real situation.

We are a dealer for the Illumina lenses based in Hollywood.

Fred
323 850 3285
Cel: 323 328 0681

[Mitch Gross]

Now that the show has started, I can mention that you should add UniQoptics to the list. A complete set of low cost, high, high quality T1.9 primes.

[Fredrik Callinggard]

Now that the show has started, I can mention that you should add UniQoptics to the list. A complete set of low cost, high, high quality T1.9 primes.

That sounds great but there's no info or pics to be found anywhere. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE REPORT A LITTLE!!!

Fujinon and Uniqoptics for example. I've seen the specs on Fujinon but is interested what the deal is with the entire range, since it's a VERY interesting T stop mentioned. AND estimated prices are also welcome. :sifone:

[Giancarlo Bianchi]

Price for the Avatar (http://www.uniqoptics.net/apps/webstore/products/show/164250) is $5900.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Duclos re-confirmed the Tokina will be "under $3k" recently, just noticed that on your list it says 3,500.


Price for the Avatar (http://www.uniqoptics.net/apps/webstore/products/show/164250) is $5900.

Which one is that one?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

My sources at the show tell me the Fujinon lenses look very, very nice and are very, very expensive.

I can't seem to get any details about the UniQoptics primes. So far, just T1.9 and limited availability.

[Sanjin Jukic]

:party:

:attention9ha:

:posti:

[Roberto Lequeux]

:party:

:attention9ha:

:posti:

Are you on strike Sanjin? Update the Duclos price to under 3k! What are we paying you for?!!

[Sanjin Jukic]

Done!

But as we know well that all prices are subject to change without notice... :attention9ha:

[David Rasberry]

Is anyone showing new moderately priced wide range PL mount zooms?

[chuck colburn]

Price for the Avatar (http://www.uniqoptics.net/apps/webstore/products/show/164250) is $5900.

If I read it right somewhere, that lens only has a 28mm or so circle of coverage. Won't be using that one on 24x36mm format. And at that price you still need to get whatever lens mount you want installed.

[Bob Torrance]

The Fujinon T2 18-85 is $89,000 and covers a 30mm circle. Rep told me this.

Bob Torrance

[Jay A. Kelley]

Unioptics look very very impressive. Kanji designed them, and he's standing over them like a proud Papa...

He he he...

Jay

[Roberto Lequeux]

Is anyone showing new moderately priced wide range PL mount zooms?

Maybe:


- Rehoused by Focus Optics/Nikon F/G 14mm-24mm T 2.9 (FF35mm) (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=28668), Manual Iris about USD $10,500.

If 24mm is long enough for you this will probably be a great buy.

[Sanjin Jukic]

New update!>>> (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=28992)

[filip kovcin]

sorry if this is already mentioned somewhere, but i cannot find it...

it looks that new german lenses are now cheaper.

the price is corrected somewhat.

set of 3 is now for 7.900 euros

and set of 5 for 13.500 euros

but it's time limited. (offer is active up to 15th of may)

take a look:

http://www.rebel-lenses.com/

[Sanjin Jukic]

sorry if this is already mentioned somewhere, but i cannot find it...

it looks that new german lenses are now cheaper.

the price is corrected somewhat.

set of 3 is now for 7.900 euros

and set of 5 for 13.500 euros

but it's time limited. (offer is active up to 15th of may)

take a look:

http://www.rebel-lenses.com/

Filip thanks,

corrected.

[lensmaster]

To me, these were the major disappointment of NAB....

[Roberto Lequeux]

And they expect to sell by offering them a few hundred dollars less than RPPs?

This should be said like they do on the news desk on Saturday Night Live: "Really?!"

[filip kovcin]

sanjin,

here is proper cooke link to new lenses - please update your first page on this thread

http://www.cookeoptics.com/cooke.nsf/products/panchro.html


filip

[Zakaree Sandberg]

And they expect to sell by offering them a few hundred dollars less than RPPs?

This should be said like they do on the news desk on Saturday Night Live: "Really?!"

I think the RPP will basically own the lens market soon enough.

[Fred Salaff]

I would not bet on it. The Illuminas from LumaTech (Lomos) will be hard to beat with T1.3 and an 18mm in the set.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Then again it sounds like RPPs will be hard to beat in sharpness, illumination etc... but it could turn out to be you pick the Iluminas when you might decide to trade a little performance in other areas and pay a little more all for the added speed when you need it.

I guess the cost of Super Speeds might might also adjust drastically.

[Rick Darge]

I really just want to see the character of all these lenses..

[Roberto Lequeux]

I really just want to see the character of all these lenses..

Yes! That and I REALLY want to hear what you guys think about them after putting them through their paces.

[Sanjin Jukic]

sanjin,

here is proper cooke link to new lenses - please update your first page on this thread

http://www.cookeoptics.com/cooke.nsf/products/panchro.html


filip

Thanks Filip,

finally today I corrected!

[Matthew Duclos]

As per the first entry on this thread, yes. The PL 11-16mm is $2,995
Under $3k as promised. ;)

[kevin N]

a fujinon zoom for 89 000 ????? how could that be? how much are the ang optimo zooms?

[Matthew Duclos]

I may have the currency exchange wrong... But I believe the Optimos are one arm and one leg.

[Fred Salaff]

Then again it sounds like RPPs will be hard to beat in sharpness, illumination etc... but it could turn out to be you pick the Iluminas when you might decide to trade a little performance in other areas and pay a little more all for the added speed when you need it.

I guess the cost of Super Speeds might might also adjust drastically.

The Illuminas have better resolution than any of the Reds and with less distortion.

[Jean Déraps]

Matthew you're way off, last time i checked it was 1.274 arms and 1.347 legs. But your mileage may vary.

[Evin Grant]

The Illuminas have better resolution than any of the Reds and with less distortion.

I've seen both projected, and although the illuminas performed admirably in their prototype stage, your statement is not indicative of what I saw.

[Dexter Gregoire]

I've seen both projected, and although the illuminas performed admirably in their prototype stage, your statement is not indicative of what I saw.

Maybe if he came in at about 15,000 for the set, I may see differently.

[kevin N]

i used the fujinon 10-100 and 6-30 zoom on a f900 for a low budget feature in india and they performed very well. quite sharp. i saw it projected at TIFF and i was pleasantly surprised at how well it held up. (side note: it was projected with a 2k projector) they has a great range and very little breathing.

[Jarred Land]

The Illuminas have better resolution than any of the Reds and with less distortion.

Says the Illumina sales rep....


heh heh heh sorry I could not resist :)

[Charles Pickel]

Feeling the need to weigh in on performance claims regarding the Illumina S35 high speed primes from Luma Tech, Inc.

Perhaps enthusiasm got the best of Mr. Salaff who is indeed an authorized sales rep for this product. However, he does not speak for the management of Luma Tech, Inc. and may not be privy to the most recent info regarding the lenses' ongoing development. The combined effect of people, including experts such as Evin Grant, seeing three prototypes at NAB plus dialog among Luma Tech, our reps and the LOMO factory is that we have folks talking about different things: The lenses as shown at NAB Vs. what we EXPECT the product to look like in final form.

This is a natural recipe for confusion and lends the appearance of making exaggerated claims about product performance. Luma Tech is not out to gore anybody's ox.

The fact is, we have a somewhat different set of challenges in building and marketing a newly designed set of f1.2/T1.3 lenses that offer both high performance and a fairly compact envelope at a great price.
Rather than play for second place, we aim to be at the top of our category.
Particularly with respect to value. Value means performance for the price.
Performance comes first, so we aimed high.

To offer a concrete example, our 50 & 85mm lenses will offer the contrast and resolution of a certain brand of high end cinema lens of the T1.9 variety, but with less geometric distortion. I'm not talking about RPP's but a product that sells for more than $ 15K per unit. And they will do it at T1.3. That's a claim that Luma Tech is comfortable in making.

The Illuminas were not supplied for the SALT test precisely because they are not yet in the state we know they can and will be in a few months. Each prototype shown at NAB had at least one unacceptable mechanical or optical characteristic. Each of these conditions has now been solved and the designs for the 18mm & 25mm will shortly move from computer to build.

We expect the finished product to have exceedingly low geometric distortion (a problem with the 50mm unit Evin saw at NAB), extremely high contrast and color fidelity and superior rejection of flare and veiling glare.

The factory has already furnished us with numbers describing distortion, on- axis resolution and off-axis resolution. But these remain to be verified by OUR OWN QUALITY CONTROL PROCESS, and of course, the eyes of experts and end-users in the market. So we are not publishing them. Yet.

In the interest of the "Big Tent" spirit of openness, we plan to offer the product in its finished state for people to evaluate and compare. When the time comes. If the optical Gods smile on us, that time will be in the third quarter of 2009.

Thank you.

[Roberto B]

The Illuminas have better resolution than any of the Reds and with less distortion.hope the illumina sales rep reviews aren't like the 1st estimations.. one thing we already know.. red has honestly committed their prior price list..