First Andromeda Footage

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Hey,

I recently bought an Andromeda DVX100, here are my first frame grabs. I'm really happy with the cameras performance :)

Shot at 10 bit 4:4:4 RGB

http://www.chrisnuzzaco.com/special_uploads/nautica1.jpg
http://www.chrisnuzzaco.com/special_uploads/nautica2.jpg

HD video clips coming soon...

EDIT:

OK.... here it is. This is the original clip, I need a better tripod though, all I had was this lightweight Bogen that is actually meant for SLR's, so no tension controls, but all in all, its still a very nice demo. NOTE: I cropped the original frame using a letterbox, its actually 16:9 and it's not the highest resolution the camera can have at 10 bit either.

Here it is, 20 MB

http://www.chrisnuzzaco.com/special_uploads/nautica1.mov

Enjoy!

[David Mullen ASC]

Looks interesting, but what's the correct aspect ratio? The frames look letterboxed to 2.35 on my monitor.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Looks interesting, but what's the correct aspect ratio? The frames look letterboxed to 2.35 on my monitor.

It is actually 16:9 that I cropped by eye, I'm guessing maybe around like 16:7 or so. It's square pixels too, no NTSC rectangle stuff going on.

[Poi Boy]

would love to see some footage.
Aloha
-A

[Chris Nuzzaco]

would love to see some footage.
Aloha
-A

.... at 1.7 GBs a minute, I'm working on it, LOL

[KETCH ROSSi]

It those look very good.

I'm interested, if any one beside your self can tell me, were a camera such as the XH-A1 stands in when recording directly to a HD portable hard drive.

Is the Miranda less of a resolution?

I ask because I have the XH-A1 and if the RED's will be delivered late in the year, I will need to produce a film with my HD camera, so any one.

Preparing for an alternative for an imminent small project that will also serve me good as my first.

I will need to use a 35mm adapter and 35mm lenses.

Can you explain Miranda a bit as far as workflow, I know it will probably not work with my camera, but I'm looking for the best alternative shooting way,
just for this project, untill my RED's come home.

Thanks

Ciao

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[Stephen Gentle]

Those look great...

What I really want to see is Hydra for the XDCAM EX.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Those look great...

What I really want to see is Hydra for the XDCAM EX.

You know, lots of people want to see Hydra, but to be perfectly honest, you won't be able to beat the overall quality of Andromeda, the sensor physics don't quite add up, even Reel Stream says this. I'd consider Andromeda first, especially if increased latitude is important to you, which it was for me. I feel more like I'm shooting with a Nikon D200 with this camera, it's a nice blast of fresh air or so to speak.

No more crap compression for me!

[Poi Boy]

The color and contrast is beautiful but it looks way too soft to me...I wasn't going to bring that up but it is no D200. Red is D200.
Aloha
-A

[Chris Nuzzaco]

The color and contrast is beautiful but it looks way too soft to me...I wasn't going to bring that up but it is no D200. Red is D200.
Aloha
-A

It's more like macro at f/2.0 LOL, it can be very sharp, I'll have to throw up some tack sharp grabs when I can. I had a hard time nailing the focus, keep in mind that these are in motion shots being pulled on a lens that has no mechanical focusing ring... not a static shot. There is some motion blur in each frame.

All in all, the bang for buck factor is enormous. I Think its a really really nice 1K camera. Not something you'll use for say a feature, but for serious ultra low budget short films, commercials etc... and its great if you just wanna shoot high quality at your leisure without the need to rent :)

[Poi Boy]

I would agree, great bang for the buck ..so what are you wasting time for ? go get some footage ready to post.
Aloha
-A

[Craig Ryan]

That would be a 1.5k camera to be exact :biggrin:

Please do most more; I've seen all the stuff posted on reel-stream's site and am pretty much sold on Andromeda. The more footage I see the more I want it .

EDIT: did my own research and answered my question.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

OK.... here it is. This is the original clip, I need a better tripod though, all I had was this lightweight Bogen that is actually meant for SLR's, so no tension controls, but all in all, its still a very nice demo. NOTE: I cropped the original frame using a letterbox, its actually 16:9 and it's not the highest resolution the camera can have at 10 bit either. Original post now has the link too...

Here it is, 20 MB

http://www.chrisnuzzaco.com/special_uploads/nautica1.mov

Enjoy!

[Jaime Vallés]

The footage looks really good! Very nice, Chris. Thanks for posting this.

[Kenn Christenson]

You know, lots of people want to see Hydra, but to be perfectly honest, you won't be able to beat the overall quality of Andromeda, the sensor physics don't quite add up, even Reel Stream says this. I'd consider Andromeda first, especially if increased latitude is important to you, which it was for me. I feel more like I'm shooting with a Nikon D200 with this camera, it's a nice blast of fresh air or so to speak.

No more crap compression for me!

Actually, according to Juan, the Hydra with the HVX should give you even greater dynamic range - with the HVX'x 14bit A/D.

http://forum.reel-stream.com/viewtopic.php?t=672

[Chris Nuzzaco]

"Do you plan to support other cameras such as the Panasonic HVX200?
It is possible that a new system will be available which supports one(or more) prosumer cameras other than the DVX100. It is likely that any new supported camera will be one of the prosumer HD cameras such as the Panasonic HVX200, or JVC HD100 series. The information we have so far shows that the Andromeda system on the DVX100 series cameras will probably still yield the greatest dynamic range, when compared to a similar system installed on another 1/3 inch HD camera. The resolution obtained with the Andromeda system on the DVX has also been shown to be comparable to other prosumer HD cams. The main advantages of applying the system to one of these cameras would probably be the capability to record at 60fps, and the native 16:9 aspect ratio. "

Excerpt from here:

http://www.reel-stream.com/faq.php

Interesting conflict going on here....

One thing I do know for sure is that sensor theory is just that, theory. Most never thought you could pull 8-9.5 stops out of a DVX100, so I could be wrong, but I still have yet to see any latitude tests from the HVX Hydra. I'm sure it's gonna be great and kill DVCPROHD compression, which I personally think Andromeda also does quite nicely. The big issue I have reservations with is the decreased photosite size. Have you ever heard of diminishing returns? Thats kinda what I'm thinking, the extra 2 bits the sensors have might just make it equal to the Andromeda in latitude. Remember, your fighting physics here, not just numbers.

[Kenn Christenson]

I think your link is from a section they have yet to update. Note that it says "It is likely that any new supported camera will be one of the prosumer HD cameras such as the Panasonic HVX200, or JVC HD100 series." Clearly a "pre-Hydra" statement.

Here is an excerpt of what Juan is saying, currently: "With Hydra on the HVX is a bit of a different situation, because the A/D conversion is being done at 14-bit rather than 12-bit. There is the potential for significantly greater dynamic content so any encoding procedures will yield different results since there is far more information"

[Chris Nuzzaco]

I guess we have to wait and see :biggrin:

The point I was making though is this, the photo sites are smaller, so assuming the sensor is still 12 bit, it would not outperform the lower res/ bigger photo site sensor in terms of dynamic range and noise. BUT, the HVX has extra bits, 2 to be exact (in each sensor), so this just might make up the difference and put them on equal ground in terms of dynamic range. Thats what I've been talking about. In all seriousness, why do you think Panasonic made those sensors 14 bit to begin with? Probably due to the fact that they have smaller photo sites to work with, and thus need more sampling, but like I said, your fighting physics, and eventually you will hit a point of diminishing returns.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Reel Stream, I hope they prove me wrong! I'd love a camera with some 12-14 stops of range, I'm just not so sure the HVX sensors can do it, thats all.

So far everything Reel Stream has said has been carefully worded, "an increase in dynamic range", not "better than Andromeda", "it will for a fact produce XXXX range". As for this statement: "There is the potential for significantly greater dynamic content". Potential doesn't mean it will be...

Just my 2 cents