REDucation

[Andrew clemson]

How come?

[Brendan Johnson]

The main reason, I was told, was that some sponsors had conflicting commitments and wouldn't be able to attend.
Also I don't think there were enough numbers in the November course, so November students can take the December course or wait till next year.

[Andrew clemson]

Wow, that sucks. Hopefully the october one is going well?

Maybe this could be a nudge to branch out to other locations. Even on the other side of the states Im sure there are lots of people who just couldn't make it out to LA, for whatever reason.

I notice there are more and more alternatives popping up every day all over the world. (albeit ones unaffiliated with RED)

REDucation was great and to those that havent been, if you get the opportunity to go then snap it up!

[TedRed]

Don't read too much in your tea leaves about why we got rid of the Nov. class. When we did our scheduling months ago, we didn't quite figure that doing 2 classes about a month apart would be a bad idea, so we fixed it.

There is so much logistical prep to put on each class, that we need to spread them apart a bit, so early Dec seemed like the best time to run another class, and allow those that signed up for the Nov class to move into this one.

The folks that do all the prep work are the true unsung heros of these classes, it's pretty much like prepping for a major feature movie start each time, multiple camera packages and computers, a 2k and 4k projection system, etc.

The current class is going really well, We learned a tremendous amount on how to improve it from the first class and put a lot of that into play, and it's working.

I'm on a very light schedule due to my surgery recovery, so I spend a few hours there each day when I can, but Michael and Steve are taking the lions share of the teaching and doing a great job.

There is lots of hands on prep, shooting, viewing footage on a 4k projection system in real time, and we are heading into 3 days of post production now, where the students will be learning best practices for editing, DI grading and finishing for various deliverables, all with hands on learning.

Some of the staff have been snapping pix of the class in action, so they will post some up when they are free.

The next time I have some computer time, I'll put some more info up about what we are thinking to evolve the classes from where they are now. I could use a lot of feedback on what forms it should take, where we should hold more classes, and how we evolve it… it's a part of RED just like everything else, so change is good.

+ Ted

[Brendan Johnson]

Sorry Ted,
Didn't mean to tread on your toes, there was just no official word on this thread about the cancellation.
Im sure the class will be awesome, that's why Im flying halfway round the world to do it!
I'm looking forward to being "Reducated" in December and getting the improved reducation experience.

[Andrew clemson]

Any news on those talked about video presentation downloads for previous alumni would be much appreciated also!

[Jarred Land]

Any news on those talked about video presentation downloads for previous alumni would be much appreciated also!

This will be on the new RED.COM when its finished.

[JosephArthur]

This will be on the new RED.COM when its finished.

Yeah I look forward to it as well. I brought 3 of our kids (ages 14-17) who shoot on the RED or worked on crew to the First REDucation Community Day. And saw a few interesting toys. But the nomenclature was abit over their heads. But still they still shoot with the Red .

With the RED being relatively costly (since we have two on order from Silverado Systems) we are putting alot of our kids on that even playing field as public schools. (most of our tribal schools are charter schools or have extended film projects which the public schools dont cover)

Love to see what footage or lessons were learned from the first sessions from the students perspective.

-thanks.

[TedRed]

As promised, some additional thoughts on where REDucation goes from here to discuss and get feedback:

(I'll be posting some pix of REDucation class #2 later today)

First thing I've noticed is that a 7 day immersive class is highly beneficial for those traveling in, and committing a week of their lives to get all this valuable info in one intense session, with a lot of hands on learning. Since Production and Post are so intertwined in the RED world, it really makes sense to take the full course, both Camera and Post. The few that have broken it up into 2 classes have told me that when they came back this time to take the post part of REDucation, it was invaluable.

Something to note however - I've talked to a lot of people that have told me that 7 days back to back is not possible for them with their current work schedule.* So in addition to our 7 day sessions, what do you all think about a once per week 2 hour class in the evening, that runs over 7 weeks.* First starting in LA, then rolling out to other cities worldwide as we gauge the student demand for this format. *So for lack of a better way to describe it - this would be REDucation's version of night school.

It would be great to get a sense of how many people would be interested in this learning format, (with an understanding that we would be focused on the local LA market and nearby first - then once it's honed we can launch other US cities and international cities.)

One more 7 day REDucation class here in LA, and we believe we will be ready to take this show on the road.* We have our thoughts on what other markets in the USA and Internationally will be the most popular places, but it would be good to have your feedback.* We target between 30 and 40 students for each 7 day class, so if you think your city would be a good host, and would have that level of interest from students locally or within easy travel distance, please let us know.

The current REDucation 7 day classes are filled with high level expert instructors, some of the most experienced people in the biz, delivering a comprehensive curriculum on the camera and post side, and it has opened up some discussion about taking it to the next level - so we are beginning to discuss Master Classes for REDucation, for high level continued education on very specific sub-sections of the overall class we teach.

Initial ideas for master classes would be as follows:

DOP track - learn from Top RED DOPs advanced lighting, exposure, and lensing. In depth learning of various RED shooting formats including 4.5k and Anamorphic, and on set DP logic for on location, and in studio client and Director/Producer monitor viewing. *Learn various slo-motion modes and shutter angles, remote triggering, time lapse, etc. *Learn various options for viewing dailes on large screens and small screens, in both HD and 4k resolution.

DI track - - learn from experienced RED DI colorists and Post Production Supervisors the process of finishing commercials, music videos, and feature movies of all budget levels, using an array of both desktop level and heavy iron level tools. *Learn desktop color correction and big system color correction, and the benefits and best uses for both styles of work. *Learn conforming and finishing for various projects at different budget levels.

Creative Editing track - -* - learn from experienced RED Offline and Online editors the various best recommended practices and options for NLE offline editing, NLE online editing, and Finishing and Delivery for commercials, music videos, and feature movies of all budget levels, using the most popular NLE choices, *FCP and Avid and the up-and coming offline and online editing solutions, Premiere and Vegas, that support RED.

Producer/Production Manager track - - learn from experienced Producers, Line Producers and Production Managers about budgeting and prepping for a RED job, crewing, gear and other aspects of RED studio and location production.* Also learn about budgeting for offline editing, online editing and Finishing for various types of projects shot on RED.

Visual FX for RED work - - learn to prep visual FX shots for the RED in various color space to deliver to the DI and Finishing systems on the market that are most in use on projects. *Learn the various 2D and 3D animation programs and 2D and 3D compositing programs and how they interface with RED jobs, and what type of support and optimizations have been engineered into these programs to enhance the RED workflow for FX work.

These classes will be master level classes, as a student you would be expected to have a basic working knowledge of production and post, and want to learn the high level expertise that comes from experienced professionals in the field with many RED jobs under their belt.* These classes would be designed to be relatively small, between 10 and 15 students per class.

Looking forward to your ideas, thoughts and feedback on all of this.

+ Ted

[Tai Wah Lim]

Ted, the Master classes is certainly a good progress from the Reducation 101 class. I presume these classes will be conducted one after the other - Lim

[Stacey Spears]

The master classes sound like a great idea. As Lim asked, will these run back-to-back, so those of us coming from out of town can attend more than one.

What is the length of a master class?

[JosephArthur]

Master Classes sound great. How about Highschool aged / geared classes?

[Luca Immesi]

This will be on the new RED.COM when its finished.
Good news :smile:

[Blair S. Paulsen]

I am a big fan of education in general and believe it is of particularly high value in Red-ville, to wit:

I have seen a lot of very bright people with years of experience in image making who make incorrect assumptions about various attributes of the Red camera system (lens to deliverable) that needlessly handicap their ability to get the results they intend.

I have seen well established production companies shy away from the RedOne because they don't want to re-train staff and in general fear the unknown.

Producers need a short course on data-centric workflows that gives them enough information to manage a project that uses the RedOne. Right now it often seems like new costs are being added but where are the promised savings? One common reason is trying to force feed the data from the camera into a workflow designed for film or tape. Some of the anecdotal stories about format conversions and finishes direct from proxies are the height of hilarity - as long as its not your project.

In larger projects there is a lot of decentralized decision making. People who are experts in specific areas collaborate with other highly talented craftspeople in myriad ways. The efficacy of the lingua franca used on a daily basis in the industry is reliant on common definitions and built on lessons learned the hard way. How about a digital cinema glossary and some successful case studies for reference?

I applaud Ted, Micheal, Jeff, Steve, Von and everyone involved in mounting REDucation and am even more enthusiastic about expanding the mission beyond just grooming technically proficient operators of the technology.

Bottom line - its a lot easier to find the promised land with a map.

Cheers - #19

[Sam Winzar]

I'd second (third?) the request for the master classes to be run back to back. Would make it much easier for those of us who are travelling.

[TedRed]

Thanks for the quick feedback - My first instinct is that these Master classes would run 2 to 3 days each - we could certainly schedule them back to back for those coming from far away. I am trying to gauge level of interest, and what master classes would have the most interest in people attending, so if you have that input, please add it here.

+ Ted

[Stephen Lovett]

Hello Ted,

The DOP master class would be the catalyst, but I'd likely attend others while in town.

Steve

[Stacey Spears]

Here is my list, in order of interest:

Creative Editing track
DI track
DOP track

[TedRed]

Here are some snaps of REDucation #2 class in action...

[TedRed]

and a few more... (I can only post 5 at a time apparently :-)

[TedRed]

some more...

[TedRed]

ok last pix (unless I change my mind and put up some more :-)

[Bakur]

reducated still

http://files.me.com/bakur/86mpp8

[Andrew clemson]

out of interest, one of those images has a bunch of canvases in a row. Are you going into Stills methodology now too?

Im definitely up for some more REDucation, the Master Classes sound great. Id like to second a request for them to be organised back to back so that I only need make one 16 hour flight!

[Chris Parker]

michael cioni has posted a great video of the reducation community day on:

www.DigitalCinemaLessons.com

I have yet to make it to a reducation event myself, but our four staff members who have been all have AMAZING things to say about their weeks spent down there. We are sending two more staff to the next event actually, as these really are the best way to get the hands-on education you need.

Anyways, check out Michael's video of community day. It's pretty cool.....

[CharleyWeston]

Thanks so much for posting the stills Ted, and for taking the time to come to the class when you could! Hope you are feeling better. I had an absoulte blast and am kicking myself for not staying on for the rest of the week.

My thanks to Michael and Steve as well!

Charley

[TedRed]

The next REDucation is gearing up now for the first week of Dec. - Preperations for the 4k projection, RED Rocket™, all the camera gear, etc are coming together well again.

I'll be starting on my overdue intl. traveling schedule again if I'm cleared by my docs for travel, so Michael and Steve will be running the bulk of the class just like in the Nov class that we got great feedback on. I will particpate with some videos we've shot recently and perhaps a video chat if all goes well with the bandwidth between LA and China.

For anyone reading this and all your friends interested in learning more about RED, the next community day at REDucation is shaping up nicely as well - we will have a full plate of companies that support RED production and post on Dec 7th at the LA Center Studios, so come and spend the day with a bunch of like minded folks learning about RED.

here's the link for more info, and to register:

http://reducation.net/community_day_schedule.html

+ Ted

[Brendan Johnson]

The next REDucation is gearing up now for the first week of Dec. - Preperations for the 4k projection, RED Rocket™™, all the camera gear, etc are coming together well again.

I'll be starting on my overdue intl. traveling schedule again if I'm cleared by my docs for travel, so Michael and Steve will be running the bulk of the class just like in the Nov class that we got great feedback on. I will particpate with some videos we've shot recently and perhaps a video chat if all goes well with the bandwidth between LA and China.

For anyone reading this and all your friends interested in learning more about RED, the next community day at REDucation is shaping up nicely as well - we will have a full plate of companies that support RED production and post on Dec 7th at the LA Center Studios, so come and spend the day with a bunch of like minded folks learning about RED.

here's the link for more info, and to register:

http://reducation.net/community_day_schedule.html

+ Ted

There was a November course?

[Jason Osterday]

Ted, any plans for classes beyond December? We were really hoping to jump into the November courses but I was told they were canceled in favor of HD Expo.

[Tim Whitcomb]

Im in and greatly looking forward to it Ted!

[TedRed]

There was an Oct. course - we decided to cancel the Nov. course since we had an Oct. and Dec. course and it was just too much to close together, the staff needs to re-group between each for these first courses to properly plan for the next one, as the goal is to improve the class each time and learn how to make it better from student feedback as well as our own observations.

Who told you the Nov. class was cancelled due to HD Expo? - that is not correct info.

We will be doing more REDucation classes next year - starting the early preparations for that now, and we are starting to prepare to roll out in other USA cities and worldwide classes, as well as the master classes. Lot's cooking on the REDucation front.

+ Ted

[Jason Osterday]

I think the info came from the office number. They mentioned the overlapping schedule with the expo and that efforts had to be put towards that event. They were very nice though and sent a packet of information if that helps.

Anyway, glad to hear there are future options. Looking forward to those opportunities. We may still be able to do one portion in dec, so we'll see.

[JosephArthur]

Anyone have training materials or handouts from the First or Second Reducation?

[Andrew clemson]

we are starting to prepare to roll out in other USA cities and worldwide classes, as well as the master classes. Lot's cooking on the REDucation front.

+ Ted

Exciting stuff, Im definitely in for the master classes. (depending on the dates)

Any plans for a middle east location? I know its probably the least likely!

[Andrew clemson]

Anyone have training materials or handouts from the First or Second Reducation?

Are we allowed to give out copies? Even so, I dont think they would be of much use without the big guns there to talk through it all.

[JosephArthur]

yeah we went to the first REDucation. Mainly we went to the Community Day and sat in on a couple of the lectures. (which for me were amazing) But the kids (ages 14-18) who we teach in the Red , most of the tech talk went over their heads. But good to be prepared for what they will get themselves into the next time around.

[TedRed]

We can explore any part of the world where there is interest in holding these classes and the proper resources are available to teach (Proper projection and classroom/soundstage space, etc.) If there is an easy way for people to let us know that they would be interested in us holding classes in a particular region, and the kind of student numbers we would expect to have in the class, we can plan accordingly.

Regarding the extensive training materials, they are for the students that took the class - not to be re-distributed, as they are supporting material for the course, and would not be of proper value outside of the course.

[Luca Immesi]

We can explore any part of the world where there is interest in holding these classes and the proper resources are available to teach (Proper projection and classroom/soundstage space, etc.) If there is an easy way for people to let us know that they would be interested in us holding classes in a particular region, and the kind of student numbers we would expect to have in the class, we can plan accordingly.

Regarding the extensive training materials, they are for the students that took the class - not to be re-distributed, as they are supporting material for the course, and would not be of proper value outside of the course.
Reducation worldwide, really cool.
Ted, do you have some news about the possibility for previous alumni to watch online video presentations?
I'd like to continue my reducation from my couch before attending the master classes :smile5:

[Andrew clemson]

love it. out of interest, Will those who have completed the current course get first crack at the "master" classes?

[Nook Kim]

Anyone knows when the next Reducation is scheduled after the December one?

[Tim Whitcomb]

Sheraton Discount Block was overbooked... so no discount :( Bummer.

Any other DECENT hotels that are "walkable" and under $200/night with taxes?

Right now the Hotel is going to cost me more than the workshop... and I'd rather spend that on EPIC
accessories :)

thanks!

EDIT: No response here, so I "Named my Own Price" and got the Westin Bonaventure for $99/nt 2-3 blocks away from Sheraton and slightly closer to Reducation...

[Chris Parker]

looking forward to being a part of this upcoming reducation.....

[TedRed]

We are having meetings about the 2010 REDucation schedule now. I'll be traveling again all over Asia for the next month and hopefully before the end of the month we will have something up here and on the REDucation.net site

I'd like to gauge some interest in having a REDucation class right before NAB in Vegas this year, so those coming could extend their trip and spend some immersive time learning RED before they head to NAB - let me know if this is interesting to you all and we'll start exploring the possibility and keep you posted.

+ Ted

[TedRed]

Good additional resources for RED ONE learning and preparing yourself before you shoot.

I want to mention to those visiting this thread, a couple of other valuable ways to learn about RED.

*Jay A. Kelley produced (and stars in :-) *the RED 101 DVD - it's quite comprehensive and a good starting point if you like an audio / visual way of learning. *Jay is a super early RED ONE adopter that works with his camera professionally on a regular basis, He really knows the gear and how to use it.

It's not meant to be a learning tool for those already well versed in the camera (although it's a good refresher for those like me that work with the camera in some fashion almost every day) It's well designed and executed to give you the run down of the camera, its functionality, the menu structure etc. * It covers how to set up projects and use the internal tools of the RED ONE to expose the camera, set up the camera for various styles of shooting for different types of projects and deliverables and a number of other needed areas of learning to be ready to get great results from your RED ONE shooting.

The DVD covers quite a lot of info, and Jay is on camera talking to you for a lot of the video - His homespun style is fun and enjoyable, it's not a a flat, boring instructional DVD - he's got lots of his personality weaved in there. *I would recommend taking watching it in small to medium sized chunks, and not watching it all in one sitting, while having the RED ONE operations manual as a reference point to review each section that's covered (a free download here: *http://www.red.com/support)

Jay covers the RED pretty much from all angles to get you primed and ready to shoot, and a bunch of 3rd party gear as well. *Note that RED did not have a hand in producing this, so there are some things in his video we may not totally agree with (different opinions on certain things is what makes life interesting), but overall I wouldn't recommend it if if didn't do a good job handling the material and covering what is needed to make the right choices when jumping into RED, which it does very well.

If you like comprehensive reading, Noah Kadner, another very early RED adopter that has been heavily involved in the training and instruction of many digital tools for our industry authored a book called RED: The Ultimate Guide to using the Revolutionary Camera.

Noah's book covers the RED ONE, pretty much soup to nuts, with lots of real world examples of the camera's use. *He's got extensive explanations of the theory and methodology behind the camera, *a vast amount of info about post production choices and best practices for taking RED footage to the big and small screens, and lots of really valuable information along the way for shooting, on set technician *practices, etc.

Noah brings a lot of his personal experiences with the Camera and his background into the book as well as experiences from a number of high profile professionals working with the RED. * *It's a pretty lengthy, in depth book - so if you are looking for a quick start guide to the RED, this is not that book - if you are looking for a meaty read, that shows how many different approaches you can take to accomplish great work with the RED ONE - this is that resource.

In our REDucation classes, we focus on hands on, immersive learning for a dedicated period of time (it's kind of like a week of summer camp to get yourself really RED to work at a fully professional level with the RED) * *Jay's DVD and Noah's book are great ways to dive into the RED world as well, at your own pace and in your own time. *

I'll let the creators of these resources weight in here on the best ways to order their DVD and book — they might have some discounts for those checking out the REDucation thread.

Nothing can substitute for working with the RED ONE camera on a regular basis of course to get your skills honed - but doing some homework before going on your first RED shoot is a great idea, and brushing up on you're learning in various ways is a certainly not a bad idea ether!

+ Ted

[Nook Kim]

I'll be traveling again all over Asia for the next month

+ Ted

Got ya! I hope you didn't forget the promise to stop by my little company this time around :)

Also, I hope you will have the forth Reducation in Jan or Feb. I'll be there for sure.

[Noah Kadner]

Cool- thanks a lot Ted! Here's a couple of places where you can find my book:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321617681?ie=UTF8&tag=reducation-20

http://www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0321617681

And Jay's DVD makes a great companion piece or vice versa. :001_wub:

-Noah

[Tim Whitcomb]

Cool, I bought them both as a primer/refresher prior to REDUCATION :)

Especially cool for me, was the history of RED and its founders, I was not aware of all the collective backgrounds... being a late adopter who jumped the line.

Also love the pundits chiming in each chapter Noah. Well done!

[Jay A. Kelley]

With the Nov 30th announcement almost upon us, I don't want to fill too much space.

That said, if you want to order a DVD that's perfectly GREAT with me:

www.red101dvd.com/order

Thanks for the great review Ted!!

Oh yeah... And buy Noah's book...... It's a good one!

:lurk5:

Jay

[Tai Wah Lim]

We are having meetings about the 2010 REDucation schedule now. I'll be traveling again all over Asia for the next month and hopefully before the end of the month we will have something up here and on the REDucation.net site

I'd like to gauge some interest in having a REDucation class right before NAB in Vegas this year, so those coming could extend their trip and spend some immersive time learning RED before they head to NAB - let me know if this is interesting to you all and we'll start exploring the possibility and keep you posted.

+ Ted

Ted, have the Master classes around NAB. Lim

[Tim Whitcomb]

TED- talking to us now LIVE from HONG KONG!
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs106.snc3/15336_1254738323438_1078957609_776594_2768949_n.jp g

[Joseph Hutson]

TED- talking to us now LIVE from HONG KONG!
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs106.snc3/15336_1254738323438_1078957609_776594_2768949_n.jp g

hehe, that was just before he talked to us.

Ted, I definitely have great interest in having the REDucation event in Las Vegas in the days just before NAB...

Other's please chime in if you also are wanting it to become a reality... :001_cool:

[Chris Parker]

we are just about to wrap up day 3 here. it is my first time here, and it is AWESOME. if you ever get the chance, you should find a way to take part in this program.

tons of fun.

[Chris Parker]

i would like to thank everyone i met at reducation this week. it was absolutely brilliant.

and by the way, for those that don't already, a ROCK SOLID practice from now on should be for you to get a Von Card, and use it to get your color balance bang on in future RED shoots.

For those that don't know, the Von Card is otherwise referred to as an 18% grey card. You should shoot it in every lighting setup, where the subject will be, and use that to white balance in Red Alert, or RocketCine to get your color balance just right. This technique is quite solid, and will yield VERY good results in getting nice skin tones, etc.

I wanted to share one of my favourite lessons that I learned this week at Reducation. And if you haven't had the pleasure of meeting Von, I hope one day you will........

[Luca Immesi]

i would like to thank everyone i met at reducation this week. it was absolutely brilliant.

and by the way, for those that don't already, a ROCK SOLID practice from now on should be for you to get a Von Card, and use it to get your color balance bang on in future RED shoots.

For those that don't know, the Von Card is otherwise referred to as an 18% grey card. You should shoot it in every lighting setup, where the subject will be, and use that to white balance in Red Alert, or RocketCine to get your color balance just right. This technique is quite solid, and will yield VERY good results in getting nice skin tones, etc.

I wanted to share one of my favourite lessons that I learned this week at Reducation. And if you haven't had the pleasure of meeting Von, I hope one day you will........
The Von's 18% gray card trick works really well, I use it since the first Reducation :thumbsup:

[Chris Parker]

The Von's 18% gray card trick works really well, I use it since the first Reducation :thumbsup:

It's called the 'Von Card' Luca. Spread the word.....

[Luca Immesi]

It's called the 'Von Card' Luca. Spread the word.....
eheh, I'll do it Chris :smiley:

[Jack Mosor]

Just to add little comment to Von's Card it's great idea. Von also has practical back focus test chart plate, I'll say another A+ idea.

Cheers,

[Steve Freebairn]

Just to add little comment to Von's Card it's great idea. Von also has practical back focus test chart plate, I'll say another A+ idea.

Cheers,

actually the Back Focus adjustment plate is made by Jeroen Hendriks, who is the rockstar DIT from Gamer, Book of Eli, and Knowing. I'll see if I can find a link somewhere to the plate.

[Luca Immesi]

I'll see if I can find a link somewhere to the plate.
Hi Steve, it would be great.

[TedRed]

Over the past few runs of REDucation, we've streamlined the course, and are combining the Camera and Post sides of the course into one comprehensive class (no longer will we have the option of taking just the camera side or the post side separately.)

We proved with REDucation what we knew all along, that with the RED, shooting and post are so intertwined, that it doesn't make sense to separate them into to different modules. Considering there is a large on set component of post production, viewing footage, prepping files for editorial, screening dailies during or immediately after the shoot, etc. it really is critical to know all of it to be fully effective as a RED expert.

By combining the Camera and Post sides, we will be making it more focused on the subject matter that's most important, based on feedback we have received from the first few classes.

The new structure for REDucation is as follows: 6 day class - 2.5 days of Camera tech and on set practices, 2.5 days of Post Production for both on set and off set (post environment) editorial, color grading and DI finishing for TV and Theatrical deliverables. Middle day will continue to be the RED community day, giving the students in the class time to interface with the various companies that support RED in both production and post.

Classes will still be fully hands on with many RED camera packages, all kinds of support gear, both 4k and 2k projection. Many Mac workstations for On set Tech training and post production training, and RED Rocket™ enabled 4k screening station to view Student shot footage in 4k.


REDucation Vegas:

First class we are planning to run as discussed above will be in Las Vegas from April 8th to April 12th with a special REDuser and REDucation day on April 14th. Then we will be running this class structure in NYC and LA and we are working on the international version, with planned locations in Paris, London and select Cities in Asia and India - dates to be announced sometime early 2010.

This REDucation Vegas looks to be a very popular destination, as it is set to run directly before the NAB show, so many people coming in from all over the USA and Internationally will extend their trip by a week, and combine REDucation with their NAB activities.

We will do our best to accommodate as many students that want to take the Vegas REDucation class. With many RED camera packages and Mac workstations to accommodate the hands on learning style we teach, and large screen 4k and 2k projection it will be a great environment to learn and have fun. Even though this class will be larger than our normal class size, we will be increasing support staff, gear and the venue to support it properly, just as we have with our LA classes.

If you are interested in Vegas REDucation, please register soon at REDucation.net, as we anticipate this class will fill up fast, even with the larger number of students we plan to work with on this run.

The 2010 Dates are up: http://www.reducation.net/dates.html The Vegas Registration is up now, and the other classes will open up registration soon.

Thanks for all the interest and support for RED Digital Cinema's Education efforts. It was a great start in 2009 and we look forward to a great year of REDucation in 2010.

+ Ted

[KETCH ROSSi]

Ted, even so I most likely will not attend, please fill absolutely welcome to ask me for anything, and It will be more then a great pleasure to assist you in any way, also I imagine that you already have your venue picked up, but I should also have relevant info by mid of next month as for the new KETCHFRAME facility, which could offer a 4K Projection with Theater seatings, off course I also know that this event s can run i the hundreds of participants, but nonetheless let me know.

[Joseph Hutson]

It's great to see you back on the forums, Ted. :hurray:

You are so cool. ;) I can't wait to meet you in person.

[Andrew clemson]

Any plans to bring the setup to the middle east? Or will Asia/India be the closest option?

[R.ChilD]

Is there any hope that reducation would be epic & scarlet inclusive in seminars after the second half of this year

[Carlbattreall]

I am planning on attending an upcoming Reducation workshop. I am a Vegas user, so my questions is, Will I be completely lost during the post production section? I have very little experience with Final Cut.

[Steve Sherrick]

I am planning on attending an upcoming Reducation workshop. I am a Vegas user, so my questions is, Will I be completely lost during the post production section? I have very little experience with Final Cut.

I have not attended a Reducation week yet, but having had many discussions with DPs and Gaffers, many have expressed interest in the post process. Not that they want to become editors but they would like to see the process from acquisition through final color correction to see exactly what happens with the RAW once it is brought into a post environment. So, I think you will enjoy the REDucation class even if what you primarily do is shoot. You don't have to learn editing as much as how the RED footage is used throughout the post process.

[Tim Whitcomb]

I just attended the last one and cant tell you how valuable it is to attend BOTH sessions.

Michael Cioni and Steve Freebairn are super smart and wonderful instructors.

Cant recommend this workshop enough!

[Jerry Turner]

EDIT

[Shawn Nelson]

I believe Ryan Kunkleman is the rockstar DIT from Gamer, Book of Eli and Knowing

EDIT: Apprently they both are

[Steve Freebairn]

I believe Ryan Kunkleman is the rockstar DIT from Gamer, Book of Eli and Knowing

EDIT: Apprently they both are

No worries Shawn, There are a lot of rockstar DIT's out there, and the number is just going to go up. Jeroen is not only a rockstar he's also really nice, very professional, and humble.

[Tim Whitcomb]

No worries Shawn, There are a lot of rockstar DIT's out there, and the number is just going to go up. Jeroen is not only a rockstar he's also really nice, very professional, and humble.

and so is Steve Freebairn

[Gavin Lewis Heslet]

REDucation was an incredible program and I would highly recommend it to anyone truly interested in working with these incredible cameras. 2009 was a great class, hope everyone is out there doing great things in 2010.

[Chris Parker]

the event leading up to NAB should be awesome, as lots of people will most likely extend their NAB trip to include taking part in this incredible program.....

i certainly hope to be a part of it....

[Tai Wah Lim]

Ted, with the new M-X and Build, any update course for previous participants of REDucation during NAB?

[Andrew clemson]

Ted, with the new M-X and Build, any update course for previous participants of REDucation during NAB?

The monitor shots weve seen of Epic make it seem to have a different HUD,and with the new color science in REDcineX will there be a big impact on the content of REDucation?

[TedRed]

REDucation Vegas from April 8th to April 12th.

We are ramping up the planning now, and this promises to be a very interesting, in depth week of learning the RED camera and post workflow.

Registration is open now, follow this link to register:

http://www.reducation.net/registration.html

We are working on a much larger scope event that our previous REDucation classes in LA, to handle all the interest and demand worldwide from students coming in for this and staying for the NAB show, and attending the REDuser Vegas event on April 14th.

This will be a unique, one time event that will will be taking the first 200 students that register. There will be a vast amount of RED camera gear, including some cameras with the new MX sensor in them, and the latest post production software and utilities to work with the footage. A large amount of teaching and support staff will be there to keep things as much hands on as possible, and a team of highly trained presenting staff to teach the latest RED workflows for shooting and posting all types projects on the RED is preparing now for the class.

Any questions about REDucation Vegas, you can email to: info@reducation.net

Looking forward to meeting many people eager to take their RED skills to the next level in Vegas in April!

Thanks

+ Ted

[Andrew clemson]

But are there enough changes to make it something we need to attend if weve gone to previous REDucations?

[Jonathon Laing]

Could someone tell me how much this program cost I cant find it for some reason. Im sure its right in front of me. I just can't see it anywhere.

[Joseph Hutson]

Could someone tell me how much this program cost I cant find it for some reason. Im sure its right in front of me. I just can't see it anywhere.

$2,500 for tuition...

[Steve Sherrick]

Could someone tell me how much this program cost I cant find it for some reason. Im sure its right in front of me. I just can't see it anywhere.

$2500
https://www.eiseverywhere.com/ereg/newreg.php?eventid=8937&

[Joseph Hutson]

Cancellation Policy:
If you need to cancel your attendance in the Workshop/Training, and can cancel 30 days prior to the start date, we will refund your tuition less a $150.00 administration fee.
If you must cancel fewer than 30 days before the start of the Workshop/Training, we will refund 75% of your tuition. Alternately, you may transfer to another REDucation workshop/training for full credit (one transfer per student per calendar year). Refunds or exchanges must be settled prior to the start of the workshop.
In the rare event HD EXPO/Createasphere must cancel a workshop, we will notify you 15 days prior to the start of the workshop/training and will either transfer your registration to another workshop date or refund the full amount of your tuition. In the event of a cancellation, HD EXPO/Createasphere is not responsible for any travel, accommodation, or miscellaneous expenses.

Meals:
HD EXPO/Createasphere offers snacks and a catered lunch during a workshop. Please inform us of any food concerns prior to the start of the workshop so we may accommodate you.

Photography:
By attending an HD EXPO/Createasphere workshop/training, you agree to be photographed, filmed or recorded on tape, and allow us to use your image in any manner or media for the purpose of advertising and promotion, without compensation, further notice or consent.

If you would like to record the workshop using any media (Stills, Video, or Audio), you must receive written permission prior to the commencement of the workshop by contacting HD EXPO/Createasphere at info@REDucation.net, or 818.842.6611.

Workshop & Training manuals:
All participants will receive a digital manual on a thumb drive. If you would like to purchase a printed version, please contact our office to order – 818 842 6611.

Travel and Accommodations:
Travel and accommodations are the sole responsibility of the attendee. As a courtesy, and where possible, HD EXPO/Createasphere will assist with recommendations and discounted rates.

[Jonathon Laing]

Thanks for that guys. :)

[Sammy Jack]

I'll be there!

Sammy

[TedRed]

The good news for those that have attended previous REDucations is that the RedCode workflow remains essentially the same, it just evolves. New software, new color science, new choices to create files DI grading, but what you learned in REDucation last year, still holds valid.

+ Ted

[Jay Gannon]

Is there any chance of REDucation in Europe? Paris/London anywhere really, or am I gonna have to fly to LA to do it =)

[Joseph Hutson]

Is there any chance of REDucation in Europe? Paris/London anywhere really, or am I gonna have to fly to LA to do it =)

...


We can explore any part of the world where there is interest in holding these classes and the proper resources are available to teach (Proper projection and classroom/soundstage space, etc.) If there is an easy way for people to let us know that they would be interested in us holding classes in a particular region, and the kind of student numbers we would expect to have in the class, we can plan accordingly.

[Jay Gannon]

Yes I was following up and seeing was there any progress...

[Jeff Seckendorf]

GREAT ROOM RATES FOR REDUCATION. The Las Vegas REDucation will be held at the:

Tropicana Hotel
3801 Las Vegas Boulevard South
Las Vegas, NV 89109-4325
(702) 739-2222
www.troplv.com

Students can take advantage of the special room rate offer in their newly renovated Paradise Tower for $54 weekdays / $79 Friday - Saturday. Reservations must be made by the Createasphere staff no later than March 11th. Call Janina Fischer at (818) 842-6611 for more details.

[Andrew clemson]

Is there any way the Webcast that Ted, Michael Cioni and Mark Pederson are doing on March 16th could be recorded for download later? 11AM for you guys is like midnight here

http://www.createasphere.com/virtual/webcasts/Webcast_RED02.html

[Steve Freebairn]

http://www.createasphere.com/virtual/webcasts/Webcast_RED02.html


The webcast is going to start in about 25 minutes, there is still time to hop on and hear from Ted, Michael and Mark about M-X and about the upcoming REDucation.

It doesn't matter whether you've never seen a RED camera or if you've done 150 projects, you will learn a lot at REDucation.

[Mithun DSouza]

hey
dont know if you guys can get back on the channel or not, but the page just refreshed and they are playing back the entire presentation if you missed it (like i did) and or had audio breaks (like i did)

Cheers

[Mithun DSouza]

Thanks TED, Michael, Mark and Steve.. Great presentation. Hopefully there'll be more for people from literally across the globe :)

[Tai Wah Lim]

Is there any way the Webcast that Ted, Michael Cioni and Mark Pederson are doing on March 16th could be recorded for download later? 11AM for you guys is like midnight here

http://www.createasphere.com/virtual/webcasts/Webcast_RED02.html

Mr. Clemson, i thought you just finish clubbing at midnight. I listened in at 2am our time here in Singapore. Just to check if it was acceptable for their future webcast for the MX continuing education program. Audio is good and watched Obin trailer at realtime. Hope the MX continuing program that Ted and Cioni is putting up will be conducted at an earlier time or later time. Lim

[Joseph Hutson]

I missed the webcast. :( Can we get a rerun?

[Tai Wah Lim]

I missed the webcast. :( Can we get a rerun?

There will be a recording for downloading - Lim

[Frank Weeks]

I tried to catch the webcast with no luck. I'll keep an eye out for the downsoad

[TedRed]

I'm working on getting the link for the download version of the live stream now - just waiting to get the info with the link, as soon as they send it to me I'll post it (or one of the team will post it if I'm on the run)

+ Ted

[Joseph Hutson]

I'm working on getting the link for the download version of the live stream now - just waiting to get the info with the link, as soon as they send it to me I'll post it (or one of the team will post it if I'm on the run)

+ Ted

Sweet action...

[Chris Barron]

I thought the webcast was great and it left me wanting more. Awesome job, thank you!

[Chris Parker]

there is only one problem with REDucation. that it ends. the week spent there is so awesome that when it ends, it is a little disappointing.

but you do leave with the feeling that you can do anything with a RED, from shooting to post workflow. i found most students left with a level of excitement and a desire to go back home and put all the new knowledge to use. meeting other 'REDheads' and hanging out for a week sharing battle stories and good company is hands down the best thing about the program to me.

[Erik Franzén]

The audio was a bit off, but other than that everything was awesome and informative! :yesnod:

[TedRed]

Here's the link to the webcast...

http://createasphere.stream57.com/RED0316

and if you signed up to listen to the webcast when we did it live, you should also be getting an email directly with that link tonight or tomorrow morning.

+ Ted

[Joseph Hutson]

Thanks Ted...

[Prabhat]

Hi Joseph, Please tell me how to start a new post. I apologize for asking this question here but since you seemed to be on line I thought of asking you.

I had been searching all over the website but I could not find a link to start a new post, though I am able to tag along an existing post.

Please guide.
Thanks in advance

[Nook Kim]

This web-talk thingy makes me really want to fly to Vegas! :incazzato:

[Joseph Hutson]

Hi Joseph, Please tell me how to start a new post. I apologize for asking this question here but since you seemed to be on line I thought of asking you.

I had been searching all over the website but I could not find a link to start a new post, though I am able to tag along an existing post.

Please guide.
Thanks in advance

Congrats...looks like you got it. :)

[Prabhat]

No, I did not find the tab / button to Create an entirely new Discussion Post. This is just an extension of an already existing post.

I am still searching the website to find that button
I do remember seeing it on the left bottom of the screen once, but never again.

[Prabhat]

I sent a message to the Reduser help desk but did not get any reply

[Joseph Hutson]

No, I did not find the tab / button to Create an entirely new Discussion Post. This is just an extension of an already existing post.

I am still searching the website to find that button
I do remember seeing it on the left bottom of the screen once, but never again.

Ah, Gotchya! The way to do it, is open up a sub-forum such as "off Topic", and while looking at the list of threads, you will see a "New Thread" button (highlighted in the attachment).

http://reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5971&d=1269968994

Click that, and then create the title and text. Submit reply, and boom you are done! :laugh:


I sent a message to the Reduser help desk but did not get any reply

I imagine they are getting super busy with NAB coming up and all of the new messages regarding M-X upgrade/REDucation/etc

I bet they'll get to ya after a while though. :)

[Prabhat]

Found that hiding button at last. I dont know for some reason earlier, when I was scrolling down, that was the only TAB I was missing.

Thanks Joseph you are the saviour.

[James Stone]

How about uploading the training sessions of the workshop for a fee

[James Stone]

I think soon the price for the workshops would be reduced for more enthusiasts to have access and later we may get the DVD formats too. Hopefully!

[Joseph Hutson]

How about uploading the training sessions of the workshop for a fee

People have requested the same earlier in the game.

2 reasons why I think they won't ever do it...


A hands on experience is one that can never come close to a DVD that is watched on your own.

With the pace that RED moves with change, they'd be having to make new workshop DVD's constantly.


I'm sure there are a number of reasons that are better than those 2, so once you justify why those 2 reasons aren't good enough...there will be more that are unspoken... :001_cool:

[James Stone]

I think people will be more than willing to pay $1000 per DVD set, rather than pay a minimum of $3000 to $4000 for 5 days. Even if it means the DVD has to be updated every year.

One can get all the hands on experience by applying what has been taught in the DVD.

The reason why I said the price of the workshop would reduced is because people in Europe or the Asian countries might prefer a discounted rate and that could reflect here in USA.

[Michael Cioni]

Interesting conversation about the DVD discussion - it's a really good idea and there are some good DVDs out there, but as it was pointed out, DVD producing is often a fairly long timeline and therefore needs quick modification. It can often take longer than most of us that live in the fast changing world of R3Ds are used to. That's why I like options like Mike Seymour's FXPHD and things like that because they can be updated much quicker.

In the case of REDucation, I just wanted to clarify that we combine the Production and Post course together-which is not only ideal for people taking the course, but it was pretty much based on the fact that 90% of past REDucation patrons took both courses. The price for both of these halves together is $2,500 US. So when you take REDucation, you are not paying for 2 separate halves of a curriculum, rather it is one price for the entire week.

As Ted has mentioned before, traveling out of Los Angeles is in the works and we know it is necessary. Las Vegas is convenient for a number of people since they already are planning on coming out west for NAB. But we will keep the pressure on for moving about the continents to hopefully bring REDucation to a town near you. Above all, you cannot replicated the hands-on essentials that REDucation brings. We don't just "teach," we "do."
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[Tim Whitcomb]

I've said it once and will say it again, REDUCATION is worth every penny (we made it back in spades) and Michael Cioni and Steve Freebairn are fantastic instructors and bring a lot of energy, laughs and tons of CANDY!

[Joseph Hutson]

I've said it once and will say it again, REDUCATION is worth every penny (we made it back in spades) and Michael Cioni and Steve Freebairn are fantastic instructors and bring a lot of energy, laughs and tons of CANDY!

You're making it worse for those like me who can't attend. :emote_whack:

:laugh:

[Steve Freebairn]

I've said it once and will say it again, REDUCATION is worth every penny (we made it back in spades) and Michael Cioni and Steve Freebairn are fantastic instructors and bring a lot of energy, laughs and tons of CANDY!

Thanks for the shout out Tim. In all honesty, what makes REDucation great is how much energy and desire to learn the students have. So far every REDucation has had amazing students from around the world that have been way excited about learning and sharing best practices.

I think this upcoming session will be the best yet!

[Erik Franzén]

Seeing how all the REDucation events are booked up excepting the one in Vegas, are there any plans for making any further REDucation events here in Europe?

[Jarred Land]

Ted is working on some international expansion options for REDucation... stay tuned :)

[Jay A. Kelley]

As the guy that made the DVD for the RED One, I can tell you that doing it right is a very long and difficult process. The DVD is almost a year old, and it's still 90% relevant, but a lot has changed.

We have another DVD in the pipes that will be announced at NAB, but the truth is that there is some subject matter that we are reluctant to mess with, POST being the most obvious. To be worth doing, the DVD needs to have a shelf life of at least 6 months, and that is hard to do where RED is concerned.

We have looked at On-Line videos to keep things moving better, and perhaps some day we'll do it. But for now, we're going to stay with the DVDs.

Jay

[TedRed]

REDucation Vegas was a fantastic amount of fun! In addition to running all over the Tropicana hotel all week shooting both MX RED ONE and original RED ONE and then viewing "instant dailies" on the IGI 4k power window via the RedRocket card in a Mac Pro (4k screening and technical learning review of the students footage is one of the highlights of the class in my opinion) We had lots of great learning from the staff, (and some serious mac computing power in that room as well)

Thanks to all the students, the teaching staff, the logistics and organizing staff that created a wonderful environment to learn RED...

+ Ted

[Scott Snare]

Ted - Can't thank you enough for all the work you and the team did to make Reducation a success. I came in with what I thought was a lot of Red knowledge and left with a completely new understanding of the Red camera, its capabilities, work-flow and future. The presentations, demos and hands-on work really tied everything together. These are exciting times.

Great Job!

Scott

[Antonio Forjaz]

Can't wait for September in New York....I have already paid, just hope it is as good as this REDUCATION, and how about if in Setember we will be doing the same stuff but with EPIC as well????

[Chris Rodriguez]

Ted,
REDucation in Vegas was an amazing experience. I really appreciate you guys putting together something like this. It allowed me to meet new friends and network in the RED community. From start to finish, I learned vast amounts of information and was given insight to what our camera can really do. I learned in 5 days, what would have taken me 6 months of field work. Hopefully our paths will cross again.

Best,
Chris Rodriguez

[Nook Kim]

Sorry if there was a discussion about this, but when is the next Reducation except the September one in NY?

[Antonio Forjaz]

Sorry if there was a discussion about this, but when is the next Reducation except the September one in NY?

try:
http://www.reducation.net/
and you might find the answers

or:

2010 DATES

August 2-7, 2010 - Los Angeles
Community Day - August 4

September 27-October 2, 2010 - New York
Community Day - September 29

December 6-11, 2010 - Los Angeles
Community Day - December 8

[Jon Nelson]

Thanks again Ted, Michael, Steve, and team for all of the insight and knowledge!

For those of you on the fence about attending a REDucation... sign up now!

Jon Nelson

[Grant Goss]

Thanks again Ted, Michael, Steve, and team for all of the insight and knowledge!

For those of you on the fence about attending a REDucation... sign up now!

Jon Nelson

Ditto

[Nook Kim]

try:
http://www.reducation.net/
and you might find the answers

or:

2010 DATES

August 2-7, 2010 - Los Angeles
Community Day - August 4

September 27-October 2, 2010 - New York
Community Day - September 29

December 6-11, 2010 - Los Angeles
Community Day - December 8

Thanks Antonio,

That's tooooooooooooooooo far out :cry:

[Casey Green]

Hi Everyone,

Finally getting caught up and thought I'd post some photos taken from the REDucation Vegas class (Serial #004).

This was the best one yet! It was great meeting everyone and as one of the teachers, I learned just as much as the students. It's great to be able to give back to a community that has all come together to help make RED what it is today.

A huge thank you to Ted, Michael, Steve, Mark, Von, Dino, all of the Createsphere staff, the Tropicana Hotel, and, of course, all of the students!

Take care,

~ Casey

[Casey Green]

Here's a few more...

[Casey Green]

More from REDucation Vegas 2010...

[Casey Green]

A few more...

[Casey Green]

Last batch...

[Stephen Lovett]

OK Casey,

I'm feeling better now...

There were no pictures of Von, and how could you have a Reducation without Von?

Steve

[TedRed]

Great pix Casey! Really captures the fun and comradery of REDucation. Was a really rewarding week to see all the students dive in to the RED pool and come out the other end really knowing their stuff!

+ Ted

[Casey Green]

Great pix Casey! Really captures the fun and comradery of REDucation. Was a really rewarding week to see all the students dive in to the RED pool and come out the other end really knowing their stuff!

+ Ted

Thanks Ted. It was a great week.

Funny. I've been to NAB for the past 12 years in a row, and this year, the week went by, and I didn't even realize I never made it to the show floor.

Everything that was important to me was at the Tropicana.

Thanks, once again, to everyone who was involved - its a great program and I hope many more people take advantage of it.

~ Casey

[Joseph Hutson]

Funny. I've been to NAB for the past 12 years in a row, and this year, the week went by, and I didn't even realize I never made it to the show floor.

Everything that was important to me was at the Tropicana.
~ Casey

You still had Thursday! :lol:

[Casey Green]

You still had Thursday! :lol:

Yeah - to recover. :-)

[Robert Pitman]

Hello All,

Can anyone please tell me the location of the December 6-11 REDucation in Los Angeles?

I'm guessing:
RED STUDIOS Hollywood (formerly Ren-Mar Studios)
846 N Cahuenga Blvd, Hollywood, CA 90038

Also can anyone please recommend reasonable accommodation near by?

Regards,
Robert

[Von Thomas]

I've been sidelined, but finally here are some long awaited images from REDucation #004, it's graduation time. I really had the best time with this class, maybe it was because of Vegas, and we know, what goes on in Vegas...

http://vonthomas.com/reducation_graduation/

Best,

Von

[Von Thomas]

These are photos up close and personal of the REDucation class #004. I'm a bit biased, but this is good stuff.

http://vonthomas.com/real_red/

Best,

Von

[Casey Green]

Good schtuph, Von!!!

Great working with you again.

[Grant Goss]

Thanks Von.

[TedRed]

After a very successful first run of 4 REDucation classes, We've been taking a hard look at where to take our education efforts from here…

What's abundantly clear, is that we need to empower more people worldwide to have the ability to learn and spread the knowledge of what we've been teaching; to reap the benefits of learning what we've learned along the way creating and evolving the RED ONE and seeing so many projects created with a true high resolution tool.

As those that are shooting RED and posting RED on a regular basis know, The RED ONE is the simplest camera to shoot, post and deliver the highest quality images on. Now it's time to teach everyone that doesn't know this yet or is not using the correct simple steps to achieve what we all know is possible with the streamlined RED shooting, post and delivery workflows.

Here's the short term changes we are in the process of making now.

The next 2 classes in August and December will be held at RED Studios Hollywood (as long as production jobs don't fill up every last stage during the class days, then we will then teach at an alternative location in LA - the plan is to host them at RED Studios)

We are working on streamlining the classes and focusing on running REDucation at our home base at RED Studios for now, where the most resources to teach and screen 4k will be close at hand, and invite people from all over the world to come to spend a week of learning with us in Hollywood.

We are canceling the NYC class we had scheduled, and working on a new strategy to make REDucation something that can be taught worldwide without the massive resource and labor drain it has on the staff at RED when we take the classes on the road. We need to insure our main focus stays on delivering the next generation RED cameras that are in development now. More to come on this as it develops.

What's important for now is that we will be continuing the immersive experience that REDucation provides at RED Studios Hollywood, as there is nothing that can replace a fully hands on learning experience for 5 full days. (Just ask the Students that have taken the class) More info as we re-tool to host more classes, workshops and other forms of learning at the Studio.

Thanks for reading and for all the enthusiasm for REDucation so far - more good things coming soon.

+ Ted

[PatrickW]

After a very successful first run of 4 REDucation classes, We've been taking a hard look at where to take our education efforts from here…

What's abundantly clear, is that we need to empower more people worldwide to have the ability to learn and spread the knowledge of what we've been teaching; to reap the benefits of learning what we've learned along the way creating and evolving the RED ONE and seeing so many projects created with a true high resolution tool.

As those that are shooting RED and posting RED on a regular basis know, The RED ONE is the simplest camera to shoot, post and deliver the highest quality images on. Now it's time to teach everyone that doesn't know this yet or is not using the correct simple steps to achieve what we all know is possible with the streamlined RED shooting, post and delivery workflows.

Here's the short term changes we are in the process of making now.

The next 2 classes in August and December will be held at RED Studios Hollywood (as long as production jobs don't fill up every last stage during the class days, then we will then teach at an alternative location in LA - the plan is to host them at RED Studios)

We are working on streamlining the classes and focusing on running REDucation at our home base at RED Studios for now, where the most resources to teach and screen 4k will be close at hand, and invite people from all over the world to come to spend a week of learning with us in Hollywood.

We are canceling the NYC class we had scheduled, and working on a new strategy to make REDucation something that can be taught worldwide without the massive resource and labor drain it has on the staff at RED when we take the classes on the road. We need to insure our main focus stays on delivering the next generation RED cameras that are in development now. More to come on this as it develops.

What's important for now is that we will be continuing the immersive experience that REDucation provides at RED Studios Hollywood, as there is nothing that can replace a fully hands on learning experience for 5 full days. (Just ask the Students that have taken the class) More info as we re-tool to host more classes, workshops and other forms of learning at the Studio.

Thanks for reading and for all the enthusiasm for REDucation so far - more good things coming soon.

+ Ted

Cool.

I was disappointed I couldn't make it to any of these courses. I have lots experience teaching and not so much with video work, but I think there are a few cool new ways to spread the knowledge.

[Terry VerHaar]

After a very successful first run of 4 REDucation classes, We've been taking a hard look at where to take our education efforts from here…
...
+ Ted

Ted - perhaps there is something to be learned from Apple with their Certified Instructors in their pro apps. You could let people take a series of classes and work their way up to being able to teach one or more parts of the RED experience. Just a thought. I can't help but think you guys are already thinking in that direction. Exciting times! I am hoping that by the time I get my Scarlet, there will be some education specifically directed at that.

Thanks so much.

[TedRed]

Hi Terry,

You are on the right track with what Apple has done to be able to scale their training efforts worldwide - I don't want to get everyone too excited yet, as these efforts are all in tandem with our main job of creating and supporting and getting the word out on the products that RED sells and is developing. But just know we are working on this along with everything else in the RED world.

I also want to mention that with these next steps we are planning on keeping our top notch teaching staff, lead by Michael Cioni of LightIron, and the team of experienced REDucation TA's and logistics staff that have made the previous classes successful. (as much as they are available if they are not on RED gigs that week of course :-)

+ Ted

[Terry VerHaar]

Hi Terry,

You are on the right track with what Apple has done to be able to scale their training efforts worldwide - I don't want to get everyone too excited yet, as these efforts are all in tandem with our main job of creating and supporting and getting the word out on the products that RED sells and is developing. But just know we are working on this along with everything else in the RED world.

I also want to mention that with these next steps we are planning on keeping our top notch teaching staff, lead by Michael Cioni of LightIron, and the team of experienced REDucation TA's and logistics staff that have made the previous classes successful. (as much as they are available if they are not on RED gigs that week of course :-)

+ Ted

Great to hear, Ted. Keep us posted! And let me say that if Michael Cioni is the model, you are on the right track. I have seen him speak at two different RED days and he is a great presenter.

[John "Woody" Glaser]

Ted,
No NYC :( ?
I know a heck of a lot of folks who are using the Red in the NYC/Tri State area and would benefit from the class.
Best Regards,
Woody

[Chris Barron]

Hey Von, thanks for putting up those great pics from Vegas REDucation-- can't believe that was over a month ago, what a great experience!

[Raphael Varandas]

Thank you TED for the update.
As Terry said you're on the right track, and I agreed 100% - Cioni's presentations are killer.
Love your work guys.
Keep coming - see you on the next REDucation

[Peter Matthes]

Ted,
I know a heck of a lot of folks who are using the Red in the NYC/Tri State area and would benefit from the class.

I'll second that.

:yesnod:

[Anthony Rinaldi]

I'm looking at taking a REDucation course next year, and I am wondering if a person with little background in film and/or video production would be lost at the get-go. Are there any recommended prerequisites? Is it only for people who are working with REDs on a daily basis?

Everyone has to start somewhere, and I would love for REDucation to be mine.

[Brendan Johnson]

I'm looking at taking a REDucation course next year, and I am wondering if a person with little background in film and/or video production would be lost at the get-go. Are there any recommended prerequisites? Is it only for people who are working with REDs on a daily basis?

Everyone has to start somewhere, and I would love for REDucation to be mine.


In my opinion the course will mean more to you if you've already worked with RED.

If you don't have much experience my advice would be to learn as much as you can before you go to the course, so you have the mental framework in place to put the REDucation information into.

Get Noah Kadner's book, and Jay A Kelly's RED 101 DVD. Learn Final Cut Pro, Avid, download and learn REDrushes,REDcine, REDalert, clipfinder, possibly r3d data manager and after effects.
That's a lot of learning.

Good luck

Brendan

[TedRed]

Actually, we have people in each class of all levels of experience with the RED and RED workflows - from people that have been shooting RED for years, work as professional DPs and Post Pros, to people that have never touched a RED before taking the class. All has seemed to work out very well to have the mix of experience and skills. Makes for a very enjoyable week of open learning at all levels... we all learn from the teachers, the TAs and the various peoples experiences from all over the world with the REDs.

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[TedRed]

And yes - we do want to find a mechanism to get classes going in all parts of the USA and all over the world - it's more of a logistics and bandwidth issue with everything else on our plate, than from lack of desire... the desire is certainly there. We all want people to know what we know about shooting and post with RED - we need to find a way for classes to happen without REDs direct involvement in all of them... a training mechanism where those that want to teach RED can learn from our recommended pathways, (which are quite easy and logical these days as many of you know) is what we are planning, in addition to all the other work going on on multiple fronts at RED.

+ Ted

[Brendan Johnson]

Actually, we have people in each class of all levels of experience with the RED and RED workflows - from people that have been shooting RED for years, work as professional DPs and Post Pros, to people that have never touched a RED before taking the class. All has seemed to work out very well to have the mix of experience and skills. Makes for a very enjoyable week of open learning at all levels... we all learn from the teachers, the TAs and the various peoples experiences from all over the world with the REDs.

+ Ted

Yes, and I was one of those people who'd never touched a RED before taking the course and I stand by my advice.


Brendan

[Tom Gough]

Really looking forward to it - just signed up for August :)

[Von Thomas]

I've given a small demo at REDucation on the use of the gray card in shooting digital cinema. However, there are those that that think it's a waste of time. It is the quickest and easiest way to insure you get neutral color (going into post) when shooting with RED. I use this daily on the feature, Atlas Shrugged, and it allows the DP to see clean color. I ran across this video by Alan Daviau, check it out, and use the gray (Von Card) card.

Von

[TedRed]

RED training class for Educators.

Continuing on the success of our REDucation classes - I have been mentioning an expansion strategy that will allow us to take what we teach in those classes to many more people worldwide.

Here's what we are thinking - To try and take the REDucation classes on the road, especially internationally is not feasible from a resources standpoint internal to RED, so what we are planning is to host a few specialized classes here in Los Angeles, designed specifically for people that are teaching RED in Universities, Film Schools, Trade schools, etc.

We will have very small groups with in depth instruction on RED Production and Post Production techniques that can be scaled and taught in many different ways; in various teaching environments from large University and Film Schools with full DI facilities and 4k viewing theaters, to smaller seminar rooms and teaching labs.

We will target having the latest released equipment and software tools from RED, along with the most current methods for production and post production for all types of RED work - from full on big budget Feature Films, through high end Episodic TV work, Indie feature work, Commercials, Music Videos, Documentaries, etc.

The cost of the course will be determined by the amount of Educators that we teach in each session. We will make it as cost effective as possible, while covering the cost of labor, venue, all the gear, etc.

The type of feedback we are looking for is how many people are interested in this way of learning the RED to then take back to your Education environment, what things are you looking to learn and where you will be teaching (or are currently teaching)

Looking forward to seeing where this goes - based on what we've learned from REDucation classes so far - I'm anticipating good things.

I'll start a new thread on the General RED area of the Forum in addition to here, since this is new info, and we want to get a lot of feedback as we move in this direction.

Thanks

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[Ron Amborn]

Ted
This is great news and we are looking forward to REDUCATING some of our International groups very soon.We have many requests in Mexico ,Central and South America to get some events moving. These guys are hungry to learn more about RED in all aspects. We are very excited to see this move forward. And as always you have the full support of the Maxx Digital Team.

[Andrew clemson]

Sounds great, Im 100% in! :)

[Mark Collins]

I wouldn't mind doing the REDucation stuff, except for the slight problem of being a student and not an instructor

[Andrew clemson]

I wouldn't mind doing the REDucation stuff, except for the slight problem of being a student and not an instructor

Then choose the normal REDucation?

[Mark Collins]

Then choose the normal REDucation?

The real reason for not doing either the normal or the school REDucation would come down to cost. Being a student, flying to LA to take the course is rather low on the priority list right now.

If/when it comes to Toronto, then I might check it out

[Quentin Brown]

As someone across the pond (in UK) who is always looking to further his working knowledge and production experience of RED I look forward to the eventual benefits of this program. I may not be a REDucator now but evenually - who knows?

Will there be a list maintained of people who have officially gone through this training, organised by country, with links to where you can sign up for classes with them? Maybe even with upcoming dates if there a quite a few in each country?

If you ever plan on a normal REDucation in the UK let me know.

[TedRed]

Just checked with the Logistics team for REDucation - they tell me we are almost full, have about 5 spots left for the class next week... So if you have been thinking about coming, next couple days is good time to register up. We have a very interesting group coming from all over the world, and Michael and I a looking forward to fun and productive week of learning.

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[Antonio Forjaz]

I am one of those from "all over the world", leaving tomorrow for the long trip to LA...

[Chris Parker]

well antonio, you'll have a lot of fun. that's for sure.

[Antonio Forjaz]

well antonio, you'll have a lot of fun. that's for sure.

that is for sure...can't wait:hurray::thumbsup::party:

[Casey Green]

Sorry I can't be available this time around to help teach... but I will say that those of you who have signed up are in for an outstanding experience.

Ted, Michael and crew - hope to see you next time!

~ Casey

[luis ignacio barrague]

see you guys next week.. i am already in california... from brazil!

[Tehben Dean]

So excited! Signed up a couple of days ago and am an my way to LA right now.
One little problem, I haven't recieved a schedule and have no idea what time to show up on Monday???

[luis ignacio barrague]

theben! for the first day they asked to get there 8am for badget and material..8;30 breakfast and 9am class

[Tehben Dean]

theben! for the first day they asked to get there 8am for badget and material..8;30 breakfast and 9am class

Sweet! Thanks Man!

[Jack Mosor]

Too bad Casey, I'm in town TA at Reducation this time. Give me a call if you around.

[Jack Mosor]

REDUCATION SN:005 officially started

So far lots of smiles, great group from around the world.

Watch for pics later on this week.

[Casey Green]

Hey Jack,

Great to have you on board! Looking forward to seeing pics...

~ Casey

[Jack Mosor]

Reducation 005 Day 4 in full speed,

Great group of students,

[TedRed]

Here's the class photo from this weeks REDucation class in Burbank… (shot 4.5k on the MX) It was a great group of Students from all over the USA and the World, now empowered with tons of knowledge on RED production and post.

We made a field trip over to RED studios one night and they got a chance to check out an Epic and see the new RED store in action the day before it opened to the public, and had a full week of hands on training and learning, shooting with RED ONEs and MX RED ONEs and moving projects through REDCINE and viewing in full 4k via IGI's 4k rear projection setup using the Sony 4k projector.

Of note in this shot - we did a first shot of the class, and via the power of RED Rocket and 4k projection we quickly loaded that into REDCINE X and put that on the projector for this photo.

The TA's Steve, Eric, Von and Jack were fantastic - looking out for all the student shooting and adding their real world insights…

Von took some more pix of the class in action that he will post when he checks in.

Another fun week for all involved!

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[Dwain Barrick]

Thanks to all the Instructors, TA's and Staff involved. This has been a great source of information. These guys really know how to make a 10 or 11 hour day seem like 6 hours. Too bad there's only one day left.

[Antonio Forjaz]

here are some more photos

Thanks to Ted and Michael, Jack, Von, Steve, Eric for eveything.

[Von Thomas]

REDucation as always is trip down RED knowledge lane. You get the basic, and the advanced information. You leave with no questions just a head full of knowledge to pass as you go along. You can't keep it, it will spill out as you speak to your crew, your editors, producers, DP's and the crafter service person, yes even they will benefit by you taking this training.

Anyway, here are a few images for this #5 REDucation, Click Here (http://gallery.me.com/vonthomas#100252).

p.s. you can download these.

[Tom Gough]

A BIG thank you to Ted, Michael, Jack, Eric, Von, Steve and all of the people behind the scenes that made this awesome week run without a hitch. The days were long but the energy and enthusiasm of the Reducation team made the days fun and they just flew by.

Another BIG thank you to Jim, Jarred and all the rest of the rockstars at RED Studios that made us feel so welcome :) It was a real pleasure meeting you all.

And to all my fellow students it was great to meet you all and good luck with your Red futures :)

Keep on trucking.

All the best,

Tom

P.s. To Whoever owned that Classic Matt black pickup with the Red logos parked in Red Studios - that is what we call in the UK "the muts nuts" (seriously too cool for school:)

[Steve Freebairn]

Congratulations to all who participated in the REDucation. It's the first REDucation that I wasn't able to help with and I'm sure I missed out on a lot of great students. Michael and Ted and the rest of the gang did a great job I'm sure.

Congrats guys/girls and hopefully you'll be able to take that knowledge and improve the way you and others are working with RED footage!

[Jack Mosor]

Reducation Class SN:005 At RED Studios

[Jack Mosor]

Reducation SN:005 Day 5 FULL BLAST Last Day, Information Overflow :)

Again great job by Michael Cioni of Light Iron Digital, Ted @ Red (no introduction needed :)

TA's: Von Thomas, Steve Lovett, Eric Trageser, Jack Mosor

And REDUCATION LADIES who were organizing this event:
Event Producers Aila Holley, Marty Mayer and Coordinator: Asa Holley

Great job Group of Reducation Class SN:005

[Chris Parker]

congrats to another graduating class. the world needs more REDucation grads, so glad to have you all as part of the community!!!

[Eric Trageser]

REDucation packs a giant amount knowledge into one week. By both taking the course in Vegas and working as a TA in Los Angeles, I've changed the way I use the camera and the way I think about my work as a result. If you have any interest in taking this course, TAKE IT, LEARN THE WAY, PASS IT ALONG.

[Tehben Dean]

I want to say thank you to Michael, Ted, Von, Jack, Eric and Steve for the amazing week!
I really learned a lot on the exposure front and streamlined my understanding of post workflow and data backup. You guys are amazing.

Also was really cool for Jim and Jarred to show us the working Epic prototypes during the RED studio's tour!!! thank you! can't wait to shoot with one!

[luis ignacio barrague]

It was a great week!! i am a post guy and i didn´t know why i couldn´t get the great images i always saw on RED reels! Now i get it!!
Reducation is a first big workflow class, from this is the red camera to.. here you give this to your clients!! Camera settings... workflow... softwares... storages... 4K projector... production politics... real cases scenarios..
HISTOGRAMMMM (i am fighting this one in my home town for some time)
Thank you to Michael, Ted, Von, Jack, Eric and Steve .. i know that you guys have a lot of big gigs runing... it was great to learn so much this past week!

Luis ignacio barrague
conforming editor - workflow - data manager
...and know Digital tec with RED knowledge :auto:

-Epic runing at 7pm with iso 2000 ....hauhauhauhau!! you need to see it to belive it!

[Von Thomas]

I've got chills, http://gallery.me.com/vonthomas#100254

[Tom Gough]

Great pics Von! Thank you for a great week :)

This course should be compulsory with every RED Sold, it gives you such an amazing overview of how the Red fits in many post workflows; from start to finish! The detail and clarity in which everything is explained was outstanding, I came into this course with many questions that are hard to find answers for even on this great forum and everything is now clear! It has given me a new level of confidence when using this unique camera system.

Thanks again to all the lecturers, TAs and background support staff that made this week so outstanding.

I would recommend this course to anyone that touches the RED; whether in a rental house, on set or in post - this course will blow your mind!

All the very best,

Tom

[Tehben Dean]

I've got chills, http://gallery.me.com/vonthomas#100254

Hahaha :D

Here are some more photo's http://gallery.me.com/tehbendean#100093

[Stephen Lovett]

It was a real pleasure getting to meet and work with all of you.

Being an alumni of Reducation #1 and seeing Ted, Michael, Von, and Jack again was predictably great, but being provided an opportunity to assist these seasoned professionals was especially rewarding. (though I did miss the presence of Steve and Casey)

I'm not sure if I learned more from Reducation v1 or from my partners in crime this time around :-)

One thing is for certain, as excellent as it was in the first iteration, Ted and Michael have streamlined and refined the content and it's even better than before.

I've been a big cheerleader for Reducation as the in depth knowledge I received there helped jump start my understanding across all areas from production acquisition to post.

The fact that all the teaching assistants / instructors helping Ted and Michael are former Reducation alumni and feel strongly enough about the program to step away from their careers and travel to LA to help out should provide compelling evidence about how strongly former students feel about the value of the program.

A sincere thanks to the entire team, and particularly the students for their passion and energy.

It was a very rewarding week, and I encourage the community at large to do everything in their power to support the program.

Stephen

[TedRed]

Thanks for all the good comments and feedback... Each time Michael and I get one of these classes off the ground and going, we are really motivated, seeing the level of learning and understanding on so many topics for production and post that touch the RED world...

The teaching/logistics team were fantastic, and the mix of students from all over made it a very interesting week.

+ Ted

[Steven Dean]

Attended the Burbank REDucation, it was great, a wealth of knowledge from great instructors that live this every day. You covered a lot of bases, made the information easy to understand, and everyone was very accessible. Thanks to all involved!!!

full review here:
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48340

[TedRed]

Thanks for this review Mark on the separate thread you started, and for Steven, Tom, Stephen, Donald and the others that have chimed in here and in other places.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48349

We are again motivated to drive the course forward into the future, keep improving on what and how we teach, etc.

(and trust me, Michael Cioni is the brains of the teaching, I'm just there for moral support and the occasional tidbit of inside info :-)

[Chad Lancaster]

is there still spots available for the December class?

[Frank Cueto]

Is there a version of this happening in NYC anytime soon?

[TedRed]

An update on the next REDucation class in December in Hollwyood can be found here:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=665063#post665063

[davidwillson]

I wonder if I can get my boss to pay for this? A free holiday to LA would be nice!
Um, great, but PRICEY. $2500 for the week? That's a lot to learn about the gear we just bought from you. Before people jump on me...yes, in the scheme of things, it's not that much. But I have employees that would love to go to this and at $2500, they'll have to wait for the manual. :-) (and wait...and wait...)




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[Stacey Spears]

You could always end one employee. When they get back they can train the rest.

[TedRed]

Some photos from this weeks REDucation class... The gang working with the cameras and generally seeming to enjoy themselves :-) others in the class may want to post more shots they took with their cameras

http://www.flickr.com/photos/56926178@N08/

I'll post more pix as I take em.

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[Joseph Hutson]

How many are in attendance?

[Peter Salvia]

By my count there are approximately 40 in the class. REDucation is, to say the least, a blast. Being on the studio lot and learning from Ted and Mark is a dream experience. Their insight into real world best production practices and on set etiquette is exactly what I was looking for when I signed up. I hold Apple Training Certifications in Final Cut Pro, Motion and Color so this is not my first training rodeo. My expectations have been surpassed exponentially, kudos to Createasphere for producing a stellar and comprehensive hands on training opportunity.

Not only do we get provided with extensive pdf presentations outlining workflows, color space concepts, exposure recommendations, etc. we also have hands on access to M & MX sensor RED Ones for total comparison. There is a dedicated stage with a great projector displaying presentations and we also get access to the 4K theater to screen and grade our footage. Icing on the cake is presentations from industry leaders like Michael Cioni from Light Iron Digital as well as awesome networking opportunities and presentations from vendors at the RED Community Day.

We've got two days left in the class and I feel like I've alreay gotten more than my money's worth and way more expert guidance and insight than I've seen provided in other training environments (naming no names, just the truth). We're not just learning what buttons to push or how to read a histogram; we're learning why we want to push the histo left or right in certain circumstances in order to preserve optimal RAW data for the grade; we're learning etiquette of communicating RED digital workflows and monitoring with experienced (and potentially skeptical or overwhelmed) DP's and AC's more comfortable shooting film.

I did have a couple of FXPHD RED courses under my belt and it's been beneficial to already have a handle on some of the basic and intermediate concepts ahead of time versus learning them on the fly. Hope this helps anyone trying to find out what to expect.

[TedRed]

running budgets and logic for an NYC class and other intl. cities.

Questions for you all. If I can lower the price of the class by $1000 and make it a 3 day event rather than 5 day... who's in? We can't cover all that we cover in the 5 day class in 3 days of course, probably one hands on shoot day instead of 2, and less on the high end DI end finishing - but as the camera and the post production pathways get even more simple with each 6 month life cycle, I think we can teach the relevant areas in 3 days...

[Tai Wah Lim]

running budgets and logic for an NYC class and other intl. cities.

Questions for you all. If I can lower the price of the class by $1000 and make it a 3 day event rather than 5 day... who's in? We can't cover all that we cover in the 5 day class in 3 days of course, probably one hands on shoot day instead of 2, and less on the high end DI end finishing - but as the camera and the post production pathways get even more simple with each 6 month life cycle, I think we can teach the relevant areas in 3 days...

If separating camera and post, 3 days with a cheaper rate will be interesting for those who just want to learn to shoot with Red. Maybe another course strictly for post - like what they are doing for Storm etc.

Lim
CineRed China

[TedRed]

a couple of shots of my buddy Luis, showing off and teaching RedCineX on the big screen :-)


http://www.flickr.com/photos/56926178@N08/sets/72157625592753514/

[Terry VerHaar]

running budgets and logic for an NYC class and other intl. cities.

Questions for you all. If I can lower the price of the class by $1000 and make it a 3 day event rather than 5 day... who's in? We can't cover all that we cover in the 5 day class in 3 days of course, probably one hands on shoot day instead of 2, and less on the high end DI end finishing - but as the camera and the post production pathways get even more simple with each 6 month life cycle, I think we can teach the relevant areas in 3 days...

Ted - a "simpler"course such as this would be ideal for those of us not oriented toward the full Hollywood / DI approach. Also, the lower price would be a lot more in line with the indie and/or corporate shooter aka, perhaps, the future Scarlet buyer. Even at that, if there were a more advanced course we could tag on later, that would be cool, too. This approach would be very interesting to me. :thumbup1:

[Jack Mosor]

Sounds like another great Reducation Dec.2010 class

All the Best and spread the Reducation word :)


Jack

[TedRed]

good feedback so far... chewing on the format for next years REDucation classes... got some ideas and thoughts to run past everyone when it's ready.

If we could start some kind of email list of those truly interested in taking REDucation next year (3 day overview course for $1,500 and some 2 day special area of interest courses at $1,000, such as on set RED tech, DI for the RED, NLE editing for the RED, budgeting/producing for the RED, Cinematography for the RED, 3D for the RED, Hybrid Still/Motion photography for the RED etc.

Then I could gauge interest accordingly and start planning.

(what about a RED 101 class - specifically for people that have never ever shot RED before... any interest in that?)

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[Stacey Spears]

some 2 day special area of interest courses at $1,000, such as on set RED tech, DI for the RED, NLE editing for the RED, budgeting/producing for the RED, Cinematography for the RED, 3D for the RED, Hybrid Still/Motion photography for the RED etc.

I would like to see more of this. The 3D class really needed a 2nd day. :)

[Joey R.]

I would like to see more of this. The 3D class really needed a 2nd day. :)

Couldn't agree more... and not on a Sunday :P

[Robert Knoll]

I am in for classes in 2011. Would be slick to have different levels of classes and different focus. For instance I am a shooter but my assistant could careless on shooting and more on the file process.

Looking forward to it!

Peace

[Steve Sherrick]

I think the focused courses are a great idea. This would allow people to fill in the gaps in their knowledge without necessarily having to give up a full week. For example, I think a 3 day course on getting the most out of a RED RAW image from initial on-set look to the developing stage and finally a color correction session would be great. An experienced RED DIT and someone like Mike Most teaching this course would be killer.

A Lighting for RED course would be nice too. Explore how the sensor/color science responds to various types of light. Shoot a scene with HMIs, then the same scene with tungsten, then the same scene again with mixed lighting, etc. There's a lot of possibility there. A lot of people come to mind for teaching this course, but one of the obvious ones would be David Mullen. I would also recommend having a gaffer to co-teach this as well, someone with a lot of RED experience.

A RED workflow course makes a lot of sense. Obvious choices to teach this would be Brooke Willard and Steve Freebairn, but I'm sure there are many other qualified workflow specialists if they are not available.

As for the RED 101 course, with 5 days, you have the ability to cover a lot of ground and do a fair amount of hands on, which I believe is critical to fully understanding the camera. Taking it down to 3 days could still work, however as you mentioned it means less hands on and perhaps might compromise the learning if there's a lot to cram in. I'm sure it would still be very valuable and does make the course more affordable to those who were priced out on the 5 day format.

Another way to do the shortened course would be to include a DVD training video as a supplement that could go into further detail on concepts , have R3D files, demo software, etc. Or, so it's able to be updated, and remain current, maybe this is done via secure website where videos can be watched and files downloaded. Either way, this provides students reinforcement, so that the ideas and concepts don't get lost in the mad rush of a 2 or 3 day course. Obviously some people learn faster than others, and experience levels will differ.

I will keep an eye on the course schedule for 2011 as it develops, and for sure have an interest in attending. Would love to see Mike Most at work. If he doesn't teach a RED course, maybe he'll let me sit in the back of his CC suite and watch him dial in a few scenes. I always feel that no matter where we are in our professional careers, there is always a lot to be learned, new tricks and techniques to pick up.

[Adam C Lubkin]

Ted, I think shorter, targeted classes would be great, but there's also a lot to be said for being there for 5 or 6 long days straight in a row - for the level of immersion and the bonding that takes place. Reducation was a blast, and I'd love to experience something like that again while taking my skillset to another level. If you do break it down into 2 and 3 day classes, perhaps you could schedule them back-to-back-to-back so we have the option to combine 2 or 3 into a longer intensive. This would also save airfare for those of us flying in.

Steve, those are all great suggestions.

[Adam C Lubkin]

Also Ted, you should bring back Big Lu, Steve Lovett, and Chris Coyne as Teaching Assistants whenever they're available. Those guys are exceptional.

[Clint Lealos]

Ted, I think you're on to something. Those focused classes will be a hit! I agree a
back-back-back schedule would be great for those that want to take more than the basic 3 day course. I would take all of them except the editing and producing classes, but I know people who would take those courses too:) Can't wait for 2011.

[TedRed]

Great Feedback, Thanks

So… Steve Sherrick, you up for helping me on some of your suggestions? :-)

I agree with the thoughts that in the logic of the shorter more focused 2 day courses, we do some of them as 2 or 3 back to back sessions (maybe with a day or two off between them so people can recharge their batteries)

This would help people making a long international, overseas or cross country trip justify the long travel and settle in for some comprehensive learning.

and there is for sure something special about spending a week with a group of like minded folks all in the same place, essentially looking to learn the same general stuff - it's kind of like summer camp for grown ups.

And doing it our studio this time around with all those resources, including the 4k projection and our huge screen in one of our sound stages, certainly added to the mix… I just wish I could find those level of resources in other places around the world so we can show off 4k properly to more people!

+ Ted

[TedRed]

So it seems like in the "keep it simple approach" I should just start collecting emails of those around the world interested in the various 2 day courses, and if you would be interested in coming to RED studios to learn, or if you would rather have them as a course in your area of the world.

My email is very straightforward: ted@red.com

so send me your thoughts and I'll keep a running list with my team here, and we will make some announcements on 2011 REDucation when it's ready.

+ Ted

[Tim Whitcomb]

As a GRADUATE in DEC 2009 Reducation. I would much rather have shorter FOLLOW up workshops. Say, 2-3 day intensives, specific to say EPIC workflow seem most critical. 3D looked great, but I couldnt justify the expense for a 1 day workshop.

I also now offer shorter 1-3 day workshops based on what I learned. Since, teaching, as we all know, is a great way to learn - Im all for a course that certifies "instructors" because as killer as RED 4K projection is, its not practical for everyone to make it there.

What' also obvious is you guys cant teach thousands and tens of thousands of students... unless its virtual...

So why not certify instructors in every city? You could charge MORE for this because obviously they will recoup the investment teaching classes. I know I did.

best

[Steve Sherrick]

So… Steve Sherrick, you up for helping me on some of your suggestions? :-)

+ Ted

Absolutely!

[Joseph Hutson]

Great Feedback, Thanks

So… Steve Sherrick, you up for helping me on some of your suggestions? :-)

+ Ted

Always know Ted, I'd love to assist you in anything if ever there is a time you have need... ;)

[Andreas Reischl]

Hello Ted,

Can you maybe tell us when the next few Reducation classes will be held?
(And where - if you do go international?)

Thank you very much.

[Eric Santiago]

What should one work/study on prior to taking this course?
Im more of a creative (3D, Motion, NLE and DAW) and will be working with the workflow of the RED data. I will get more into shooting in the near future.

[Chelsea]

right, so now I look super slow as I wander into this thread ;)

I just posted a thread on this very subject.

derp.

[Peter Salvia]

Ted, perhaps you could structure RED training in a similar way that Apple does their training certification programs. Create an initial 3 day RED course that covers essential details of acquisition, transcoding, and post production. Perhaps offer a 4th optional day that focuses on 3D acquisition and post production. Then offer additional 3 day courses that focus on specific aspects of RED production: DP & Assistant Camera, RED Tech, RED lab and editing, DI and distribution, and Stereo 3D specialization(s).

This would provide a robust certification program which could offer a Master certification for those who complete all courses. Offering an exam at the end of the course which requires an 85% passing grade to earn a certificate might further entice students.

Yes, I would love to work on developing and implementing this training.

[Peter Salvia]

What should one work/study on prior to taking this course?

I watched FXPHD's course offerings of RED 102 & RED 206 before attending. I have about ten years post experience but no hands on RED work and these classes were a huge boost to my REDucation experience.

[Andreas Reischl]

Ted, perhaps you could structure RED training in a similar way that Apple does their training certification programs. Create an initial 3 day RED course that covers essential details of acquisition, transcoding, and post production. Perhaps offer a 4th optional day that focuses on 3D acquisition and post production. Then offer additional 3 day courses that focus on specific aspects of RED production: DP & Assistant Camera, RED Tech, RED lab and editing, DI and distribution, and Stereo 3D specialization(s).

This would provide a robust certification program which could offer a Master certification for those who complete all courses. Offering an exam at the end of the course which requires an 85% passing grade to earn a certificate might further entice students.

Yes, I would love to work on developing and implementing this training.

Although I do recognize the advantages of such a structured education system and the ability to certify graduates - I fear for students and the like, with tight budgets (yeah I count myself into this group).
It's already quite a lot of money, sure an investment, but the way it was done, promised a quite thorough education on the subject itself, plus additional insights, which are vital for future projects where one needs to work together with people from different technical backgrounds.

On the other hand, it would go a bit against RED's policy, at least as I remember it, that one could re-educate others with what he/she learnt during Reducation.

[Jon Nash]

When can we expect Reducation on our soggy little island of England.

[Jay A. Kelley]

No Jon.

:devil:

[Paul Harding]

When can we expect Reducation on our soggy little island of England.

I second that
Paul

[Frank Cueto]

Reducation NYC soon Please!!!!

[Jon Nash]

No Jon.

:devil:

You better ship a truck load of your amazing DVD's over to Blighty then Jay :-) :thumbup::thumbup:

[Eric Santiago]

I watched FXPHD's course offerings of RED 102 & RED 206 before attending. I have about ten years post experience but no hands on RED work and these classes were a huge boost to my REDucation experience.Thanks Peter, checking their site only shows RED203 and Im not sure if its on video?

[Peter Salvia]

RED 203 looks like a good course, everything I've taken at FXPHD has been worthwhile.

[Joseph Hutson]

Will there be a REDucation just before NAB in Vegas?

[TedRed]

I was thinking about doing a REDucation a few days before NAB, but now that we have the booth at NAB again this year, there may be too much going on to coordinate that in Vegas this time - plus I think the class works much better at our Studio then in a convention ballroom in Vegas... so I'm looking a potentially a REDucation class in Mid March, a few weeks before NAB, or in May, after NAB... love to get feedback on what people would prefer and who would be interested in attending

just send me email directly ted@red.com

[Eric Santiago]

Will there be a REDucation just before NAB in Vegas?Since Im more in the data management/post compositing end of the RED spectrum at my work, Ill be asking a lot of questions. So please, dont kick me out of the booth too quickly ;)

[Zac C]

I was thinking about doing a REDucation a few days before NAB, but now that we have the booth at NAB again this year, there may be too much going on to coordinate that in Vegas this time - plus I think the class works much better at our Studio then in a convention ballroom in Vegas... so I'm looking a potentially a REDucation class in Mid March, a few weeks before NAB, or in May, after NAB... love to get feedback on what people would prefer and who would be interested in attending

just send me email directly ted@red.com


I say in mid-march, that way while the EPICs are rolling out, people can be getting the info they need, then by NAB, you guys will be less overwhelmed, and if you do it in May, its a bit too far into EPICs being shipped.

[Andy Best]

I can see that mid-March, before NAB, would work great! I feel that the class sooner in the year is going to help everyone have a stronger year of shooting, and allow crews to better prepare themselves to roll into their summer projects. I would definitely appreciate it. I hope that wouldn't put to much strain on your team before NAB. However, I am planning on attending whenever and have been really looking forward to it!

[AnthonyFlores]

Seems like I'm in the minority, but I would prefer it in May closer to when most of us receive the Epic ... also, I know workflow for the R1 and Epic are very similar but still would love this Reducation to have as much Epic emphasis as possible. Thanks Ted!

[Tim Duran]

Ted, don't listen to these guys. There is only one smart thinking time to have your class and that's just before Cinegear. That would place it last week of May. Nice weather. Lots of things to do. And a great time to meet real people in the business, not just a lot of salesmen.

[G Lap]

+1 for May or later.

[Jon Nash]

+1 for May or later.

Make sure you email TED and let him know as per his request in this thread
ted@red.com

[Mike 'Fireman' Ross]

Ted, I'm asking here rather than in email so others can benefit from the answer: frankly, how much prior film making experience is a reasonable prerequisite to getting the best out of these classes?

Thanks

Mike

[Stephen Lovett]

Hi Mike,

I'm not Ted, but I'm an alum of the first Reducation, and I've taught at several now. We have folks with all levels of experience, quite a few have never touched a RED before, up to somebody like Blair who could have easily been an instructor. Ted, Michael, and Mark work with the TA's to allow people to self direct their training by interest and experience level a great deal over the course of the training.

For example, I might do a deep dive on exposure, Big Lu on trans-coding in RedCine-x, and someone else on ramping or looks management.

Speaking solely for myself here, the vast majority of professional camera work isn't on features, IMO the training quite correctly focuses not on movie making, but on how to create a great image with Red cameras, the various strategies and technologies (small indie to large feature workflows), to get that great image off the camera, back it up, get it through editorial and post and have a great looking result. This is all done in a very hands on manner.

I'd bet if you asked alums you'd find that one of the most valuable parts of the experience is meeting and working with others in the Red community, and the opportunity to ask very specific questions of folks who work with the camera every day.

I know I don't always know the answer, but if I don't it's very likely another instructor will, or we will dig up the info for you.

I expect the main course will remain very similar to previous offerings.

Having said all that, this is the first time for the new two day focus areas (save 3D which we did last time), so I'll defer to Ted to provide you an answer for that portion.

Hope that helps,

Steve