Guns in Australia

[Mark B.]

How do you film gun fights in Australia if they don't allow guns in the country?

[Cail Young]

Police notification and an armourer, beyond that I'm not certain what the loophole is. It's not a complete ban on all guns, it's related to 'longarms' and automatic weapons.

[Cam McGrath]

On set, an amourer who posesses the appropriate Firearms License is mandatory as is obviously police notification. Someone recently in Sydney I think caused some trouble shooting a short film when they did an armed hold up scene at the local video store and 'forgot' to tell the cops! To buy/own/store any other weapon in Australia you also need the correct license. I have one, and it's just for an air rifle! Strict guidelines regarding reasons for owning a gun, storing weapons and transporting them apply. However they aren't banned!

[Shawn Nelson]

Australia bans guns???? Are you shitting me? I thought that was the rough and rugged outback country. Surely every farmer would need at least a shotgun just for basic protection from beasts.

[Cam McGrath]

Or to shoot a roo and eat it! yum.....

[Steven M. Bailey]

What tastes better
1 Roo
2 koala
3 wallaby
4 croc

We had an exotic meat store that advertised Aussie food for a while but I didn't make it in there before it went belly up.:blink:

[Clint Johnson]

Australia bans guns???? Are you shitting me? I thought that was the rough and rugged outback country. Surely every farmer would need at least a shotgun just for basic protection from beasts.

I guess even the Australian government believes in the hereditary imperative of criminality and believes that every one of its subjects is a descendant of the transported criminals and as such just waiting to go berserk and start shooting and robbing banks at gunpoint.

The Canadian government behaves pretty much the same and is working hard to ensure that only the hard core criminals are armed.

[Ace]

Hardcore criminals don't really pose a threat to the public here. And yes in Australia you are allowed to own and use a gun, provided you have trained, gotten a license and adhere to all the proper storage conventions.

[Priyesh P.]

there it starts again. The gun fanatics' thread.

[Clint Johnson]

there it starts again. The gun fanatics' thread.

Yup, as bad as those damn "freedom of speech" fanatics.

[Cail Young]

What tastes better
1 Roo
2 koala
3 wallaby
4 croc

We had an exotic meat store that advertised Aussie food for a while but I didn't make it in there before it went belly up.:blink:

I've had 1 and 4, and 1 was definitely better.

[Cail Young]

I guess even the Australian government believes in the hereditary imperative of criminality and believes that every one of its subjects is a descendant of the transported criminals and as such just waiting to go berserk and start shooting and robbing banks at gunpoint.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29#Reaction

Excuse the poor style there.

For more background and detail,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

There's a little more to it than Government paranoia.

[Clint Johnson]

There's a little more to it than Government paranoia.

Yes, pandering for votes is a much bigger factor than paranoia. And that only works if a large portion of the population is convinced that the state can keep guns out of the hands of the hand of law breakers by passing laws...

I just can't understand how someone can believe that any gun law can keep firearms out of the hands of people who are willing to go on a killing spree? The harshest punishment under most legal systems is reserved for the taking of a human life- now if the individual is eager to break that law, why would they hesitate to break another, lesser, crime? Especially when these damaged individuals are also planning to kill themselves afterwards?

Firearms are much easier to make than cocaine and how successful have we been in eliminating that from society? Any competent metalworker in any of the tens of thousands of metal fabrication facilities can make a fully functional, fully automatic assault rifle- complete with sound suppressor if they want- in a few nights. There are people in the developing world who manufacture crude but working AK-47 knock offs with not much more than a sandbox for making molds, a few files and an ancient drill press.

Looked at objectively, the only thing that these restrictive firearm laws can do is make it far more likely that all of the victims are unarmed and unable to protect themselves and the people around them. Whenever I hear about one of those mass killings, the first thing I think about is the fact that, as a law abiding person, there is absolutely nothing I could do for myself or anyone else there. I could try to stop a man with my bare hands or I could try to run and hide... one is most likely to get me killed and the other will leave me feeling like a useless coward who didn't do anything to help the people around me when they were in such need of that help. Thanks for those great options Canada.

[Priyesh P.]

Yup, as bad as those damn "freedom of speech" fanatics.

There is a nice quote for this: Freedom of speech my ass!
By the way, this is Jarred's territory, so he's setting the rights here.
But yes, it's definately going to please everyone if I call black people stupid n***** or latin american people as w*******, or if I make a signature that states: loggers are retarded. Freedom of speech, you see...

( Clint, the above is not entirely directed at you, but when people yell "freedom of speech", it's mainly going to negatively affect minorities like me, jews, blacks and so on. It's very easy for white people to make such "nice" statements as they rarely have to bear those "free" speeches )

[Clint Johnson]

My comment about free speech wasn't a defense of my right to comment here, it was drawing a correlation between what I see as two fundamental rights.

Free speech is not applicable on a forum like this since this is Jarred's house and he sets the rules about what is and is not acceptable here. Free speech would only be applicable if we were to talk about my own website and any state censorship placed on what I can or cannot say there.

And I do see free speech as a fundamental right that is far, far more important than the "right" of people not to get their feelings hurt. I judge my dedication to this right by how strongly I defend those who say things I most disagree with. It is easy to defend words when you agree with them, much less so when you find them reprehensible. Good manners should keep people from talking or writing like that but it should not take precedence over a fundamental right that is there to protect our ability to discuss subjects that are unpopular at any particular time... without free speech, censorship could have been used to silence those who spoke out against slavery when that was a very unpopular stand to take.

If racists know that I am part Cree they should be free to call me a Chug, Nitche, Redskin or a Wagon Burner. Seeing as how I am pretty pale, they could call me an Anglo-pilferer or Gubba in Australia if they want... Cracker or Honky works better here in North America. There is also some low born Irish ancestry so they can call me Bog Irish, Paddy, Pikey, Mick or White N*****... while the full on Irish can call me a Plastic Paddy. Some Eastern European blood as well means I'm a Bohunk. The French in me leads to Frog or Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey. And I hear that Crackhead is becoming popular as an derisive name for Canadians as well as the old standbys Hoser and Snowback. The Japanese can call me Gaijin. The Chinese can call me Gweilo. There is some Jewish ancestry as well so they can call me a Hebe or a Kike... but the lineage wouldn't be accepted by the Jewish community so they can call me Goy. I spent a good portion of my life living in trailers so I am a Redneck Trailer Trash Peckerwood. And that mess of an ancestry, combined with my atheistic lack of belief and my libertarian stand, means that I am a Mongrel Heathen Capitalist Pig who can be legitimately despised by every self respecting racist irregardless of their race, creed or religion. There are many places in this world where I could be beaten or killed for what I am.

And Kalone... I will defend your right to call loggers retarded.

[Kenn Christenson]

I always preferred the term "Heinz 57 varieties," myself.

[Priyesh P.]

And Kalone... I will defend your right to call loggers retarded.

Jeez. I don't mean it. Was trying to produce controversy...

[Jason Francois]

I always preferred the term "Heinz 57 varieties," myself.

You're making me hungry.

[Clint Johnson]

Jeez. I don't mean it. Was trying to produce controversy...

I know Kalone, you didn't mean to insult the mentally challenged by associating them with loggers... that would be beyond the pale. <g>

[Tom Lowe]

is this why Crocodile Dundee carried that big-ass knife?

[chuck colburn]

Croc, Roo, Panda etc. they're nothing. You haven't lived untill you've tasted some Spotted Owl tounge pate. Mmmm Mmm Good! So far as loggers being retarded...it's just not so. Their different that's all. Well it's been nice chatting but I gotta run. Have to get back on the job cutting down old growth forest.

Billy, Gary, Chris etc. if for some impossible reason you happen to come across this site.... I"M ONLY KIDDING! Stop by and I'll sharpen your chains for ya.

[Eugene]

Because that's the way the Queen wants it.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/queen-soldiers.jpg

[Keith Alan Morris]

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey

thats a new one to me! lol

[Priyesh P.]

I know Kalone, you didn't mean to insult the mentally challenged by associating them with loggers... that would be beyond the pale. <g>

That's a unique or special way to see it.

[Steven M. Bailey]

I think that Clint and I were carved from the same branch of the same endangered tree. He's just a little bolder about saying what I'm thinking.

(He probably types faster than me.)

I'm mostly an Irish-Swede-Danish-German-Welsh-English-hienz57 mutt, with a hint of Blackfoot Indian. I don't really care where I come from until it affects where I'm going. It's a small world.

I also have a steam-power 60" circular sawmill and a good collection of chainsaws to go with my collection of fine firearms.:gun:

[Clint Johnson]

There are some that would find my life to be very objectionable. For my first eight years Dad worked in the mining industry with occasional stints as a hunting guide. When I was eight we moved into the backwoods between the BC Coastal Range and the Rockies where we lived in a one room log cabin until I was eleven... and we made our living trapping. When we moved back to civilization, my dad and mom went to work at a Noranda copper mine until my dad won a bid on a contract to operate a barge and tug for Babine Forest Products.

Mining-hunting-trapping-logging... not so much with the politically correct.

But without the mining and the logging, civilization would collapse- and the trapping and hunting have made me an active participant and lover of nature rather than the passive observer with an intellectually theoretical understanding of nature that describes most folks who consider themselves lovers of the environment.

[chuck colburn]

I also have a steam-power 60" circular sawmill and a good collection of chainsaws to go with my collection of fine firearms.
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Ahh that's where those little puffs of white smoke that I see when standing atop Mt. A and look to the south are coming from.

[Steven M. Bailey]

I also have a steam-power 60" circular sawmill and a good collection of chainsaws to go with my collection of fine firearms.
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Ahh that's where those little puffs of white smoke that I see when standing atop Mt. A and look to the south are coming from.

yep thats me.

We only run the sawmill a few times a year now for personal projects.

When I was small my dad had a partner in a hard-rock goldmine in Nevada. They found a good vein and were mining it out well when a disgruntled cattle rancher sabotaged their mine blasting it shut for good.

I never have done any trapping but I have found several traps with my chainsaw doing pre-commercial felling on forest service blocks, mostly around creeks. They do a number on chains.(I'll have to send them up to chuck)

I too have developed a love and respect for the outdoors from an intimate relationship with it. Its hard for me to understand modern conservation movements led by people who live in asphalt jungles, and have never had to live off the land.

In High School I bucked hay on ranches, raised goats, and gleaned orchards. I planted a small orchard of my own.

One time I had to castrate sheep we were raising for wool, (Apparently you have to be able to count to two)I found out in the spring when we had new lambs, some rams are born with extra parts. Go figure.

Our gardens this year look promising, bush beans, corn, peppers, tomatillas, unions, chard, tomatoes, Jalopino's, cilantro, bell peppers, squash, cucumbers, pumpkins, watermelon, strawberries, and cantalope.

The orchard also looks good. Pears, figs, apples, peaches, cherries, wild plums, apricots, walnuts, almonds, and grapes.

Our grocery bill is quite low this time of year. When you take care of the things of nature, and live with them, understand their cycles, They take care of you.

Clint or Chuck, If you ever pass through Redding Ca. on your way to L.A. or whatever, Shoot me an E-mail. I'll buy the first round.:matrix:

[Clint Johnson]

Clint or Chuck, If you ever pass through Redding Ca. on your way to L.A. or whatever, Shoot me an E-mail. I'll buy the first round.:matrix:

I'm trying to set something up in L.A. and if I do get down there I will be sure to take you up on the offer.

Our latitude and altitude aren't conducive to growing the cornucopia that you have... just the usual hardy stuff like potatoes, carrots, onions, peas, cabbages etcetera. That combined with one or two moose every fall means that not only is our grocery bill a little lower, but that we know where it came from and that it was carefully tended and prepared.


Clint

[chuck colburn]

Steven,

Thanks for the invite. And Clint, if you blasting down I-5 be forewarned it's one big speed trap between the Orygun border and Redding.

[Steven M. Bailey]

Steven,

Thanks for the invite. And Clint, if you blasting down I-5 be forewarned it's one big speed trap between the Orygun border and Redding.

I actually live in Mountaingate 15 miles north of Redding, the heart of speed-trap central. Much caution. My brothers are both cops and I still hate the po po. The supreme dictatorship attitude goes on with the uniform.

[chuck colburn]

Same wherever you go. Here in Ashland, a community that prides itself on it's liberal,intelectuall (sp)lol viewpoint, the cops are basically revenuers. While being friendly and nice enough, they seem to hand out more tickets to the locals then the well heeled folks in their fancy cars who are here for a week of Shakespear and $300.00 a night B+Bs.