This Forum - (Awesome, woot, I love you Jim etc &^#%@)

[Van Royko]

I apologize in advance if this offends a lot of people.

But does it not bug anybody else the number of useless one line fanboy posts that show up in this forum.

I know Jim is our God and by all means deservingly so. But doesn't everybody think that he knows by now that he's the master of our universe.

Is it really neccesary that everytime there is a new announcment that we have to wade through thirty pages of "awesome", sprinkled with "Jim, you're the man", topped with other useless expressions or proclamations of what you are going to buy- in order to find the ten or so relevant posts.

I by all means agree with meaningful discussion no matter how meandering and off topic they might go. But lots of this is just pissing in the snow/ graffiti which really hinders the effectiveness of the forum.

Sorry for being a stick in the mud......

[Fredrik Callinggard]

Great post!!!

(sorry had to :rofl:)

[Stephen Williams]

well said

[Ariana]

awesome!
Ooga, you're the man!

[Zakaree Sandberg]

I admit.. i recently said Awesome in a post..
just giving props to a new show that was shot on red:)

[Mark Whatmore]

Oogabooga you are our new god.... we shall follow you wherever you lead...

[Matt Gottshalk]

You da man!

[Zac C]

well ill understand in a post with new pictures.. or a film's thread to have posts of appreciation

[Jason Ramsey]

showing appreciation, while it may be annoying to some is simply that... showing appreciation.

The time I see it as a problem, is when a particular user only ever adds that type of content to the forum... i guess to pad their post count or something.

I'd rather see one line appreciative posts than flames, trolls, constant whining, etc :) That's where the real pissing in the pool comes in.

There are a lot of people who are excited about what RED is doing. It's a minor hindrance at best. It is feedback that helps RED to know what folks think about it.

I'd much rather read that kind of stuff, than one line insults, jabs, etc...

when one needs to worry about being descriptive is when providing feedback on someone's work, or when posting a piece of feedback or an opinion. Especially if that piece of feedback may not be popular. That is when taking the time to be thorough, and thoughtful is warranted.

Just think of it as applause, and kudos :)

My 2 cents.

later,
Jason

[Jay A. Kelley]

I agree with Jason.. And for the record, Jim is NOT a god.. Far from it, he's a driven extremely obessive person who is passionate about what he does.

When he rolled out the primes at the REDUser party, I must have heard him ask "So what do you think?" over 100 times that night. He wanted... No.. He NEEDED to know people liked them. Then after the party, when he came back and noticed not a lot of posts on the quality of the lenses, he was not happy. He really HOPED people would be excited. They were, but everyone was so damn gorked from the party, or flying home, there was not a lot of posting right away.

The guys at RED have a thicker skin than when they started, but mean spirited bitching still hurts, and compliments still help.

Yes there are "fanboys" on here, and this is where they should be. It's RED's forum after all.

You guys remind me of the fellow who once said "I hate this place, every time New York hits the field, these mindless morons go crazy and they've not even done anything!"
Then the fellow next to him says "What do you expect? You're in YANKEE stadium"

I say, if you like it, let them know, it you hate it, then go to c.com where you will have LOTS of friends.

:)

Jay

[Justin Kirchhoff]

Ooga, if you've been on the forums as long as any of us, you'll know how to skim through the 'mindless dribble' and read the posts that matter. But it excites a lot of us too when others are excited. We are a family after all and we have the same interests.

[Stephen Williams]

Ooga, if you've been on the forums as long as any of us, you'll know how to skim through the 'mindless dribble' and read the posts that matter. But it excites a lot of us too when others are excited. We are a family after all and we have the same interests.

Having the time to wade through 5-10 pages of a thread that is only a few hours old is an issue for many working pros.

[Brandon Kraemer]

I apologize in advance if this offends a lot of people. But does it not bug anybody else the number of useless one line fanboy posts that show up in this forum.

I think I see your point, it's a lot to wade through at times. For Jim's posts, I pretty much only read post #1 and ignore the rest of the thread because I don't have time to sort through 10+ pages of exactly what you describe. I'm probably missing some important things at times, oh well.

The threads I hit the most on here are for specific workflow and problem solving and they are usually free of that kind of stuff. I don't thing the fan boy posts are something you can regulate.

What can be regulated, or what was supposed to be regulated, is the Real Name protocol on here. Why is that not fully implemented and seemingly voluntary? "Oogabooga" I'm looking in your direction....:beer:

[Michael Lindsay]

My Technique to dealing with this forum unfortunately only works if you dip in often..

1st check new posts (skim as fast as you can)
2nd check any threads you have contributed too (by using the find all posts short cut)
3rd check the 6 or 7 people with the highest and best signal to noise on this list..

This needs between 10-30min..

There is no way I can dip into all sections as it steals hours of your life..

Extra must do rule!! never respond to anyone who has too much time... even if they are spouting absolute drivel. They will win!!

If you use a red camera often you have to read this list... if you don't you are at a disadvantage. You could make an argument that this is an additional cost.

I would love 50% of this lists posts to disappear... but I suspect it is the price for the ok 45% and the great 5%.

regards

Michael L

[Jim Exton]

The time I see it as a problem, is when a particular user only ever adds that type of content to the forum... i guess to pad their post count or something.

I'd rather see one line appreciative posts than flames, trolls, constant whining, etc :) That's where the real pissing in the pool comes in.

There are a lot of people who are excited about what RED is doing. It's a minor hindrance at best. It is feedback that helps RED to know what folks think about it.

I'd much rather read that kind of stuff, than one line insults, jabs, etc...


I would rather read neither. Unfortunately, Red never caught on on other message boards so people HAVE to read this site.

Just last week there was a rickroll post in the lens section. Why?

There are already two useless posts in the Off-Hollywood repair thread. "Great" and "That is spectacular news". Why do people feel the need to post just for the sake of posting. I am sure by the end of the weekend there will be a hundred more.

I don't see where that stuff is necessary at all. It adds nothing to the discussion. But now people are going to have to sort through hundreds of useless posts to get vital information on the Red repair process at Off-Hollywood, you will have no choice if you want to see the answer to GFIRob's question about audio board upgrades.

And why wasn't that in the Crucial Ordnance section? That could have been posted there with a message to only reply if you are asking questions.

Then you would have a whole section with threads of important news, followed by posts that contain either a question or an answer to a question.

I am not interested in starting trouble, it is just so frustrating.

[Bérenger Brillante]

This is where avatars are really useful. Just read the users who are interesting (sorry for others, including me I guess)

As long as the one line comments stay on Recon and not on others threads, I find them legitimate (this is Red home after all). Though a clean up for old Recon threads might be really nice. It's kinda hard to search through the average 300 posts a thread.

[PaulClements]

The forum has become bloated and too spread out. There are so many sub forums to look through (Over 40 by my last count), skimming has become a past time itself, you simply cannot devote 20 minutes to catch up with any relevant or interesting discussions. When you combine it with the amount of useless posts it only serves to exaggerate the point. I don't know about others but my post count certainly dropped when I just couldn't be bothered to keep up with all the different locations to look. There are some sub-forums I've simply never looked in... Why the hell is there an unboxing forum? The only reason I read this thread was because it was at the top and therefore on the front page and caught my eye, otherwise I don't think I've looked in this sub-forum a great deal.

Keep it simple! Something like this:


Announcements (Locked from users posting, just those from Red, Jim, Jarred, Graeme Natress etc)



Cameras (For discussing Red One, Scarlet and Epic)
Accessories (For discussing Redray, lenses, tripods, Red Rocket etc)
Post production (For discussing workflows, hardware, distribution etc)



Shot on Red (As is)
Services/Equipment (Sales, rental and crew for hire)
Cinematography
Off Topic
Ordinance (For small announcements, bugs, issues and complaints)

[Jay A. Kelley]

Paul,

As RED Grows there will be "sub groups" of people who have specific interests and will not venture into other parts of the forum.

I.E. I do not believe I have ever visited the "Scarlet" section, and Epic only once. When I there are working prototypes, then I will look more.

Jay

[Liam Hall]

Paul,

As RED Grows there will be "sub groups" of people who have specific interests and will not venture into other parts of the forum.

I.E. I do not believe I have ever visited the "Scarlet" section, and Epic only once. When I there are working prototypes, then I will look more.

Jay

Also, as RED grows there will be more and more people who know less and less. How this forum deals with the "So, tell me what a matte-box is" crowd is one thing, how the industry deals with them is quite another.

[Rocco Schult]

Having the time to wade through 5-10 pages of a thread that is only a few hours old is an issue for many working pros.

And I still don't get how you managed to write nearly 2500 posts ;-)

[david farland]

I know......how many times has someone started or suggested having a weekly summary and how many more have people agreed it was a great idea....reduser portal. and yes I suggested a thread with the most annoying comments...film is dead or I geezed myself. And blind adoration is hard to take when your looking to tech info.
Dave
ps: and to add insult to injury.....anyone thought of a regular weekly live chat, bit like Justin's TV stream (maybe just text) during Red Nab party to catch up? If Justin did it we could call it JusRedText....ummm
Maybe even two streams one where it's completely public and anyone canpost comments on whats being written as new this week and one where there is a reduced number of gentlemen who would know not to post they just geezed their pants and would post a summary of what's happening with Red/reduser that week.
Or live chat rooms on different topics (which Red practically is) for a couple of hours a weekend.

[Andrew clemson]

Heck, Im as guilty as the next guy for writing the odd one line response, but I certainly understand why it can be so frustrating. Maybe instead of comments like "wooo, jim you da man" we could implement a kudos button or "like" button from facebook?

Ie: "4,200 people said "wooo, you da man" to this post."

[Stephen Williams]

And I still don't get how you managed to write nearly 2500 posts ;-)

Whilst waiting for the director to make a decision!

[Roberto B]

lol this is why you haven't worked w/ the gang.. low your fees.. be one of us and prepare yourself for the awards.. international awards. :)

[Stephen Williams]

lol this is why you haven't worked w/ the gang.. low your fees.. be one of us and prepare yourself for the awards.. international awards. :)

My original answer was " Just replying to Filmakers Gang" but then I edited it LOL

[Roberto B]

not want to imagine what you'd post there.. :couch: :smilewinkgrin:
you're welcome stephen.. you know you are among our fav ones :tt1:

:beer:

[PaulClements]

Paul,

As RED Grows there will be "sub groups" of people who have specific interests and will not venture into other parts of the forum.

I.E. I do not believe I have ever visited the "Scarlet" section, and Epic only once. When I there are working prototypes, then I will look more.

Jay
Hi Jay,
I accept your point. The problem I'm referring too isn't just about being able to catch up and read about things. It's also very much to do with having greater input by a larger knowledge base.

For instance, in the Workflow section the forum for Avid very clearly lets you see information about Avid, but imagine there was just one forum for workflow that covered all aspects of post. People checking out something about final cut may come across an interesting thread about Avid that they may be able to answer. But because that thread is currently hidden away in another forum it isn't seen and the answer doesn't get posted. People don't generally browse these sub forums as they would a larger universal forum and as such the input is lessened.

The other point is that people post in the wrong places because there are too many places to post and might want their post to be seen by more people. Have you ever gone to post a topic and had to wonder "Where should I post it? Which forum will most likely get my answer?".

I genuinely believe that the content being posted before the amount of sub forums expanded significantly was far more interesting and of a higher quality.

Cheers
Paul

[Jason Ramsey]

Having the time to wade through 5-10 pages of a thread that is only a few hours old is an issue for many working pros.

Likewise, I would think that having to wade through several pages of insults, combativeness, and negativity would be as well :)

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I'll take the over-posting of cheering to constant negativity any day. Negativity has a far worse impact on forums as a whole in my opinion. And, don't confuse not wanting negativity with not wanting folks to disagree, etc. I would take a well-thought, well-phrased concern, complaint, etc over a cheering squad, or a bunch of fighters any day as well.

Posting "I love it" = I approve of the direction taken. Doesn't require further explanation. <applause> <you got my vote>

Alternatively, if one disagrees or dislikes something (at least in the context we are largely discussing here), one would think that person would want to take the time to properly phrase their stance in order to have the intended *positive* outcome... change. Otherwise, (in my opinion) it's just hate, with no other motive.

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For those of you who aren't interested in the "personality" of the forum, or don't want to "sift through 5-10 pages..." and just want to go straight to the information, just search the recent posts of those members you deem valuable contributors of information. It works ;)

And, a suggestion for those of you who think there is too much noise and not enough signal... How about starting threads that promote the informative discussion and valuable contribution to the boards that you long for, rather than spending time discussing the posting habits of others :)

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I will agree that we need more organization, and it's a work in progress on a very fast paced forum. Jarred's "Crucial Ordinance" section is a step towards that. Anyone who has suggestions on ways organize things to make it easier on those looking for the latest news, product information, etc please feel free to email me at jason at landmine dot tv

This forum, like RED is a work in progress. But, it has a strong foundation, and it is largely intended to be a community driven forum, like the 'user it was born from. Which means, the members (at the end of the day) drive the direction and the content.

Later,
Jason

[Roberto B]

Likewise, I would think that having to wade through several pages of insults.. would be as well :)

lol reply of the day :thumbsup:

[Vince K]

I know I am guilty of this...big time....
and I also find it frustrating to ask a question, and have some one say that it was answered 40 times on other threads....some topics are easy to find, others I have torn my hair out they're buried so deep.
I was wondering what the true point of the 'rate this thread' thingy was on the bottom corner.
I'm assuming that it's intent is to draw attention to posts or threads that have, in some way, become valuable to someone for information, news, tips, or humor?
I've never really noticed, but does it ever get used? For what is it used? ......feel like I'm missing something.
If I rate any thread above this one I'm writing right now a 10 ....then what? If everyone did, would that thread then show up as a sticky or high-ranked thread for everyone to find?

[Desert Rune]

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This is the primary reason I stopped reading the board.