RED ONE offer - what is included?

[Michael Mann]

What exactly is included in the $ 17,500.00 reservation offer (onboard LCD, battery, ...)? Thanks in advance.

[craesmeyer]

i think it includes only the body...
but i would love to be wrong

[Zakaree Sandberg]

battery, oboard flash, lcd, the program and body

[Häakon]

The purchase price includes the following:

Camera Body with P/L lens mount
Mysterium Sensor and electronics
Flip out hi-res LCD (not a viewfinder)
Dual link HD-SDI
HDMI / DVI monitoring / Electronic Viewfinder output
XLR audio
Dual SD card slots (plug a 802.11 wireless transceiver in one if you wish)
USB communication port
Battery and Charger
REDCODE software license

Options are:

Digital Magazine with Quad I/O (i.e RED-DRIVE or REDFLASH)
Lenses (RED or existing P/L mount lenses )
Other lens mounts such as Nikon, B4
RED-CAGE, RED-GUN etc
Electronic Viewfinder (VF)
External recorders (such as RED-RAID or RED-RAM)

[craesmeyer]

flash memory i hope...
not a photo flash (terrible this one, terrible)

now. a serious question. this onboard flash is for system use or for image acquisition?

[Häakon]

flash memory i hope...
not a photo flash (terrible this one, terrible)

now. a serious question. this onboard flash is for system use or for image acquisition?

Many of us were originally under the impression that some capacity of flash memory would come with the camera standard, but at this particular point in time, I don't believe that's the case. I think this assumption was due to the term "onboard" that was used quite a bit during the early development of the camera, and many (myself included) took "onboard" to mean a physically integrated part of the camera. We discussed this awhile back and understand that "onboard," as far as the Red team is referencing it, means that it's something you can attach to and use with the camera in a handheld setting. This is also probably a carryover from the time when the REDFLASH and RED-DRIVE actually mounted into the camera itself (like the P2 cards do). Because of space restrictions, these magazines were eventually moved outside of the camera body, but the "onboard" term still stuck.

You can use RED-FLASH (the "onboard flash" memory you're asking about) for image acquistion just like the RED-DRIVE. The RED-DRIVE has been given more focus lately as it will likely be the most cost-effective and highest capacity solution for RED ONE shooters right out of the gate, but REDFLASH is still in development. I am sure someone from the Red team will post more as the release comes closer.

[Corrado Silveri]

Sorry, but... we must wait:


The following info will be release in March...
1. What comes in the RED ONE box
2. Names, part numbers and prices of all accessories

This, of course, is subject to change at any time... :-)

Jim

[Zakaree Sandberg]

[QUOTE=Häakon;5639]The purchase price includes the following:
Flip out hi-res LCD (not a viewfinder)


i dont think its a flip out

[Appleton]

Many of us were originally under the impression that some capacity of flash memory would come with the camera standard, but at this particular point in time, I don't believe that's the case. I think this assumption was due to the term "onboard" that was used quite a bit during the early development of the camera, and many (myself included) took "onboard" to mean a physically integrated part of the camera. We discussed this awhile back and understand that "onboard," as far as the Red team is referencing it, means that it's something you can attach to and use with the camera in a handheld setting. This is also probably a carryover from the time when the REDFLASH and RED-DRIVE actually mounted into the camera itself (like the P2 cards do). Because of space restrictions, these magazines were eventually moved outside of the camera body, but the "onboard" term still stuck.



Actually Haakon, Rob Lohman answered about the "onboard" question recently :
The raw optical port module & flash module use the same area of the camera.
They use a different system underneath.
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www.RED.com

The Flash will be mounted "on" the camera where the optical port would go - integrated. I suspect that it will be a choice that rez dudes make before shipment - either the Flash or the optical drive. Prices may differ, or the Flash may be standard. Who knows ?

What kind of cards or price ? don't know, we'll find out later...

[Häakon]

The purchase price includes the following:
Flip out hi-res LCD (not a viewfinder)


i dont think its a flip out

Sorry, you're correct. I just copied Rob's list from a little while ago and that's how it was referenced. The LCD is separate, and is mountable on any of the positioning points on the camera, rails, cage, etc. The main thing is that it's included in the purchase price. :)

[Zakaree Sandberg]

hakkon, er du svensk? eller finlandare?

[Häakon]

The Flash will be mounted "on" the camera where the optical port would go - integrated. I suspect that it will be a choice that rez dudes make before shipment - either the Flash or the optical drive. Prices may differ, or the Flash may be standard. Who knows ?

What kind of cards or price ? don't know, we'll find out later...
Right, that's how I've interpreted it, too. However, this flash "module" is removable, and originally (as in, months ago) I was under the impression that the camera would have built-in (nonremovable) flash as a part of the body, separate from the removable REDFLASH unit(s). A lot of the discussion was centered around being able to take the RED ONE out of the box and shoot with it without having to have any kind of external magazine, albeit in limited quantity. The current incarnation of REDFLASH that we have been privy to looks as you have described: a removable side panel that is attached to the body externally. I'm not sure I would call that any more "integrated" than the RED-DRIVE, but that's just symantics. I would be pleased as punch if the Flash module came standard, but we likely won't know that information until March.

[Häakon]

hakkon, er du svensk? eller finlandare?

Norsk. :)

And that's two "a"s, one "k." :)

[Appleton]

Right, that's how I've interpreted it, too. However, this flash "module" is removable, and originally (as in, months ago) I was under the impression that the camera would have built-in (nonremovable) flash as a part of the body, separate from the removable REDFLASH unit(s). A lot of the discussion was centered around being able to take the RED ONE out of the box and shoot with it without having to have any kind of external magazine, albeit in limited quantity. The current incarnation of REDFLASH that we have been privy to looks as you have described: a removable side panel that is attached to the body externally. I'm not sure I would call that any more "integrated" than the RED-DRIVE, but that's just symantics. I would be pleased as punch if the Flash module came standard, but we likely won't know that information until March.

Maybe it's easier to ask RED directly :

Currently, RED team

- Is the Flash unit removable or not ?

Thanx ...

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Norsk. :)

And that's two "a"s, one "k." :)

nara nog i sprak..

ledsen omkring namnen:)

[Häakon]

Is the Flash unit removable or not ?

Yes. :)

[Jannard]

The flash cards are removable and so is the whole RED Flash unit.

Jim

[Appleton]

The flash cards are removable and so is the whole RED Flash unit.

JimGot it.

thanks.

[Brook Willard]

Unless something has changed, the indicated part is removable [four screws] to allow for the installation of REDFLASH.

[Jared VanLeuven]

What exactly is included in the $ 17,500.00 reservation offer (onboard LCD, battery, ...)? Thanks in advance.

This isn't the Michael Mann, is it? :)

[Alex Boothby]

This isn't the Michael Mann, is it? :)

I'm telling the Viper-boys on you Michael. :)

[Brook Willard]

More on REDFLASH and confirmation of a few things:

As of the L.A. screening, REDFLASH did not appear to be a "slot" into which cards would be locked [think P2]. It appeared to be slightly larger than a "card" might be... something that clicked into the side of the camera. The REDFLASH interface [read: not the storage, but the interface that the storage clicks into] filled the red section illuminated in my previous post. I hate to be this obscure, but it looked very similar to the XBox 360 controller battery interface [clicky] (http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/663/663050/xbox-360-launch-guide-hooking-it-up-20051117112111952-000.jpg), where the battery would be the flash magazine and the port where the battery "clicks" into would be the REDFLASH. Note that this is merely what it looked like to me [on an old body design] - things have probably changed by now.

We do not currently know if the $17,500 kit will include the REDFLASH interface, the interface + a flash magazine or no REDFLASH at all. I have my guesses. [edit: looks like it will include the interface: see Jim's post below]

To clear up any potential confusion: the LCD is not onboard - it can be mounted anywhere on the body or on any accessories within cable reach. We know it's 720p, presumably 8-bit. This LCD can display the image or image/camera data [think waveform monitor, histogram, capture settings, frame rate, shutter angle, etc].

The camera ships with a PL mount.

The $17,500 does not include the mini-RAID. It also does not include the RED RAIL or CAGE. We do not know if the handle or low mount [pictured in the attached image] are included - I doubt they will be. It does not include the EVF [electronic viewfinder], though the EVF will be available at launch [for an unknown price]. We know that the EVF will cost more than the LCD - there may be a possibility to forgo the LCD and take a discount on the EVF at the time of camera purchase.

There isn't much new in this post that hasn't already been covered. There is also some rampant speculation. We'll know in March.

[edit:]
So, the new confirmed list:

RED ONE camera body
720p LCD
RED FLASH interface no media included

[Jannard]

We will clarify all details soon... but a couple of corrections. The shipping package will NOT include the RAW optical port. That will be an option (we don't think many will actually use it). The onboard RED FLASH drive WILL be included as part of the standard package (but not the media). The media will be a bargain (IMHO).

Jim

[Brook Willard]

Thanks for catching me there, I've edited it out.

[Andrew Benz]

We will clarify all details soon... The media will be a bargain (IMHO).
Jim

That is great news and I would suspect the first choice for many of us. Thanks for not creating a range of products based on trickle down tech and a cripple-ware range of cameras. This philosophy is greatly appreciated by us...

[Finner]

Does anyone know this.

I am not 100% on this, the flash media can do exactly what the Red drive can do right? Except for the fact that it has less memory of course.

[Alex Boothby]

Doesn't flash have faster write speeds?

[Jannard]

Our drive is a mini-RAID so the write speeds are close. BTW, the pic above shows the high-speed optical port- not the RED FLASH drive.

We have a few new tricks up our sleeves since a week ago. The process is really interesting. Someday I'd love to share what's gone on behind the curtain. Really incredible stuff. The rapid evolution inside the revolution is dizzying.

Jim

[Andrew Benz]

Isn't flash more robust and a better choice for alot of applications when weight, balance, compact form factor,and ability to write data when in physical situations that would cause a hard drive to fail?

[Shawn Nelson]

We will clarify all details soon... but a couple of corrections. The shipping package will NOT include the RAW optical port. That will be an option (we don't think many will actually use it). The onboard RED FLASH drive WILL be included as part of the standard package (but not the media). The media will be a bargain (IMHO).

Jim

So will we be able to achieve higher FPS for footage recorded to RED FLASH? I just went to the Red website and looked at the format options but didn't see anything for RED FLASH. That would so useful. I will rarely want high FPS, but for those few action bursts, it would just rock my world. I'm writing a short right now for the Red that needs at least 60fps for a few seconds.

[Finner]

Isn't flash more robust and a better choice for alot of applications when weight, balance, compact form factor,and ability to write data when in physical situations that would cause a hard drive to fail?

Ya flash typically is. Mainly what I was wondering was if it could write the same info as the RAID but if flash is as fast or faster then the raid then I assume it can do at least exactly the same as the raid.

[Jannard]

The primary advantage to the RED DRIVE is cost/MB.

Jim

[Andrew Benz]

Finner-Ya flash typically is. Mainly what I was wondering was if it could write the same info as the RAID but if flash is as fast or faster then the raid then I assume it can do at least exactly the same as the raid.

"Obviously you're not a golfer." (homage to your avatar ;-) Right on, I did not understand you at first.

Cheers

[Justin Anderson]

Our drive is a mini-RAID so the write speeds are close. BTW, the pic above shows the high-speed optical port- not the RED FLASH drive.

We have a few new tricks up our sleeves since a week ago. The process is really interesting. Someday I'd love to share what's gone on behind the curtain. Really incredible stuff. The rapid evolution inside the revolution is dizzying.

Jim

On that note, is there any behind the scenes documentary work being done?



(if not, I know a great videographer......) :D

[Justin Anderson]

Isn't flash more robust and a better choice for alot of applications when weight, balance, compact form factor,and ability to write data when in physical situations that would cause a hard drive to fail?

the cost difference may be a big pull towards redraid for me though...

[Ignas K]

If the shipping package will NOT include the RAW optical port so what connection does redDrive uses?

[Nick Shaw]

The RED DRIVE does not record RAW, only REDCODE, so it was never intended to connect to the RAW port. We have been told it will use a dedicated multipin connector from the camera, probably carrying eSATA and power, among other things.

Nick

[Ignas K]

Thanks Nick, I see whole thing much clearer now.

[Rob Lohman]

Okay, some clarifications:

- Both RED-DRIVE & REDFLASH record REDCODE RAW & RGB (our codec)

- Both RED-DRIVE & REDFLASH have the exact same resolution / frame rate options

- RED-DRIVE has the advantage in price / storage (recording length) combination

- REDFLASH has the reliability (no moving parts, no magnetic recording, more shock proof etc.) advantage

- REDFLASH is a "removable" module that plugs (in) to the left side (operator smart side) of the camera with a slot for flash memory cards

- RED-DRIVE is a 2.5" RAID system hard disk magazine that you can mount where you want and connects through one (!) cable

disclaimer: as always things are subject to change

[Joe Carney]

Cool, for those that don't know, eSATA has higher throughput than FW800 or USB2. You can get eSATA connectors for you laptop if you have an expresscard slot for under 100.00 USD (I have one from SIIG). You can get PCIe cards for around 100 or less also. Some of the newer desktops are coming out with eSATA connections for external expansion. Shuttle PC is one of them.
Note...this is not the same as hooking up a regular SATA drive externally.

Joe C.

[Dominic Jones]

Any chance of buffered recording to the flash unit, so you can pre-record a few seconds (or maybe even longer)?

I'm in altruistic mode here - I wouldn't use it much (if ever) but the nature and doco boys would be very happy, I think, if it were possible...

[Sanjin Jukic]

Cool, for those that don't know, eSATA has higher throughput than FW800 or USB2. You can get eSATA connectors for you laptop if you have an expresscard slot for under 100.00 USD (I have one from SIIG). You can get PCIe cards for around 100 or less also. Some of the newer desktops are coming out with eSATA connections for external expansion. Shuttle PC is one of them.
Note...this is not the same as hooking up a regular SATA drive externally.

Joe C.


SATA-based Xserve RAID prototype escapes from Apple (photos)
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2422

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Weird that this "leaked" out... Probably because Apple is taking a huge amount of flak right now over their long-overdue update to the XServe RAID. SATA was bound to be included with the next revision - no other option about it. Now hopefully Apple will bring their prices down a bit. I can understand paying the "Apple tax" premium, but their XServe RAID prices are still floating in the stratosphere. Others are offering 14x750GB (1TB drives soon) using SATA-II drives and equivalent 2Gb FC (some now using 4Gb FC) interfaces for like 25% less.

[Michael Mann]

Any chance of buffered recording to the flash unit, so you can pre-record a few seconds (or maybe even longer)?

I second that. Would be great for taking snapshots as well.

[Sanjin Jukic]

I would join this buffered recording to the flash unit idea too.

[marco somaini]

Hi Red

I am just curious, if we want the whole package, not including lenses, but screens, viewfinder and storage for at least 1hr of footage, what are we looking at? I mean are we staying within the 20K range for it or is it going to jump up to the 30-40K range? I just want to prepare myself for it and I was going to reserve two more cameras on sunday if the extra stuff doesn't double the price. I know those are just guesses, I just want to make sure I can actually afford it.

Marco

[Häakon]

To clear up any potential confusion: the LCD is not onboard - it can be mounted anywhere on the body or on any accessories within cable reach.
Mmm... except that's precisely how they're defining "onboard." :)

It should be stated that the LCD is not permanently attached, integrated, or in any other way non-removable from the body. However, it is "onboard" just as the RED-DRIVE is. Just semantics, but it's good if we're all on the same page.

[Brook Willard]

Hi Red

I am just curious, if we want the whole package, not including lenses, but screens, viewfinder and storage for at least 1hr of footage, what are we looking at? I mean are we staying within the 20K range for it or is it going to jump up to the 30-40K range? I just want to prepare myself for it and I was going to reserve two more cameras on sunday if the extra stuff doesn't double the price. I know those are just guesses, I just want to make sure I can actually afford it.

Marco
As previously stated:

$17,500 RESERVATION gets you the camera, LCD and RED FLASH interface.
The mini-RAID will be <$1,000
We do not know the price of the EVF or LCD, but we do know that the EVF will cost more than the LCD. Speculation on price would be just that... there are EVFs on the market that cost more than the RED ONE itself. Will RED's EVF cost that much? Of course not. Will it be $1,000? $2,000? $5,000? We just don't know... and I don't want to speculate.

Will it be $30,000 or $40,000 total [with the parts that you mentioned]? Hell no.

[Brook Willard]

Mmm... except that's precisely how they're defining "onboard." :)

It should be stated that the LCD is not permanently attached, integrated, or in any other way non-removable from the body. However, it is "onboard" just as the RED-DRIVE is. Just semantics, but it's good if we're all on the same page.

"Will the RED FLASH be included?"
"Yes."
"So I can shoot onto flash right out of the box?"
"No, you'll need RED FLASH media to record onto"
"So RED FLASH isn't included."
"Wrong. RED FLASH is included."
"..."

Bloody semantics. ;)

[Andrew Benz]

the cost difference may be a big pull towards redraid for me though...
Yeah same here Justin, though I want to have both starting off to fill my panopoly of needs. I just won't have a lot of flash starting out.

Cheers

[Jared VanLeuven]

Our drive is a mini-RAID so the write speeds are close. BTW, the pic above shows the high-speed optical port- not the RED FLASH drive.

We have a few new tricks up our sleeves since a week ago. The process is really interesting. Someday I'd love to share what's gone on behind the curtain. Really incredible stuff. The rapid evolution inside the revolution is dizzying.

Jim

Jim, I hope you're private blogging (dear diary...) all of this grand adventure for posterity. I, for one, would enjoy reading it immensely.

[Ralph Oshiro]

Just submitted my reservation for RED this morning [Sunday 21 Jan. 07], so I'm wondering about this stuff, too. The way I see it [EDIT: added RED rail to "bare-bones" RED package]:

RED camera body w/LCD . . . . $17,500
RED 1HR on-board storage . . . . .1,000
Nikon F-mount . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
RED Rail (to mount bricks onto) . . . . ?

Lenses: I already own ton of fast Nikkor 35mm lenses.
Batteries: I already own 4 Anton Bauer ProPak14 bricks, a V-mount to Gold Mount adapter, and a four-position Anton Bauer charger.
Camera support: Already own a Vinten Vision 5 and a Steadicam Flyer.

The camera comes with an LCD, right? You could use it as a poor man's EVF, right? If I really don't need to buy the optional EVF, I think I'm out for $18,500, plus the cost of the F-mount adapter, and the RED rail!

[Dominic Jones]

Can I suggest you get at least 2 of whatever you're planning on recording onto, Ralph??!

Otherwise you're gonna be real unpopular with the Director and 1st (and pretty much everyone else!) whilst they're waiting to shoot 'cause your AC is downloading the mag's footage!...

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Yep 2 record devices is a must in most situations I would think... I suppose it depends on your workflow, but you should definitely consider it. Also, I don't think the RED FLASH will be $1000 for an hour of record time. I would guess the FLASH reader is either included with the camera or well under $1K. But FLASH memory right now is running about $120 for an 8GB CF - for the good stuff (from a good discount vendor) and that's still not quite fast enough for REDCODE RAW. Not sure what RED guys are using or anticipating to use with RED FLASH, but I would think a 32GB FLASH module is about the smallest that makes real sense as that would give about 20 minutes of REDCODE RAW at 27MB/s.

The RED DRIVE will be about $1K for 320GB and is a much better deal if you won't be as concerned about damage to dthe drive mechanisms.

[Jared VanLeuven]

Just submitted my reservation for RED this morning, so I'm wondering about this stuff, too. The way I see it:

RED camera body w/LCD . . . . $17,500
RED 1HR FLASH . . . . . . . . . . . .1,000
Nikon F-mount . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

Lenses: I already own ton of fast Nikkor 35mm lenses.
Batteries: I already own 4 Anton Bauer ProPak14 bricks, a V-mount to Gold Mount adapter, and a four-position Anton Bauer charger.
Camera support: Already own a Vinten Vision 5 and a Steadicam Flyer.

The camera comes with an LCD, right? You could use it as a poor man's EVF, right? If I really don't need to buy the optional EVF, I think I'm out for only $18,500, plus the cost of the F-mount adapter!

You might wanna upgrade from the Flyer, the cam's going to definitely max out its top weight range.

[Ralph Oshiro]

You might wanna upgrade from the Flyer, the cam's going to definitely max out its top weight range.Well, I don't think so. At least, I hope not! I don't need an EVF or a brick on the camera when mounted on the Flyer (the camera is powered by the brick on the Flyer's sled). I'm only mounting Nikkor primes on the camera (which are only a pound or two). How much is the body supposed to weigh with no EVF, no battery, and only a flash drive on-board? The Flyer is rated for cameras weighing up to 15 pounds. I fly my full-sized, 15 lb. Sony DSR450 (plus a 2lb. VCT14 plate) on it with about two inches still left above the gimbal.

[Ralph Oshiro]

The camera comes with an LCD, right? You could use it as a poor man's EVF, right? If I really don't need to buy the optional EVF, I think I'm out for only $18,500, plus the cost of the F-mount adapter!However . . . I JUST realized that the earlier renderings of RED with the RED rail included the V-mount on the back of the RED rail. There is no provision for an on-board battery to mount onto the current image of the bare RED camera body alone (I assume power in this configuration would be cabled). So, it seems, I would also have to pop for the RED rail (which is ultra-cool anyway), if I want to mount on-board batteries onto the camera. So, I guess I'm pushing my projected, bare-bones $18.5 RED package total price up a bit more. Any word on an approximate price on RED rail?

[donatello b]

perhaps you can piggy back the batt on top of the RED-drive or vice-versa

http://red.com/images/photo_zoom/redone_33.jpg

[Rob Lohman]

That's what I was going to say, for more:

http://red.com/images/photo/redone_34.jpg
http://red.com/images/photo/redone_35.jpg
http://red.com/images/photo/redone_37.jpg

[tj williams]

Will RED's EVF cost that much? Of course not. Will it be $1,000? $2,000? $5,000? We just don't know... and I don't want to speculate.

Panasonics 720P viewfinder for the HDX is about 3K now I know a guy who builds pretty good adapter cables? Can I get a badge to cover the panasonic logo?

[tj williams]

So the flash card recorder is included in the basic body. Will it use regularly available cards we can buy at the computer store when we suddenly need more. What about reading the card in the computer. Will we need a red reader?

[Finner]

So the flash card recorder is included in the basic body. Will it use regularly available cards we can buy at the computer store when we suddenly need more. What about reading the card in the computer. Will we need a red reader?

TJ check out the "flash incompatibility" This is being discussed right now.

[Ralph Oshiro]

The camera comes with an LCD, right? You could use it as a poor man's EVF, right? If I really don't need to buy the optional EVF, I think I'm out for $18,500, plus the cost of the F-mount adapter, and the RED rail!Well, that's probably just plain silly, right? How can I shoot without a high quality EVF? Oh, well . . . I just hope RED's EVF is loads cheaper than the color HD one Sony makes for the F900 [$10,000]!

[Brook Willard]

Will it use regularly available cards we can buy at the computer store when we suddenly need more. What about reading the card in the computer. Will we need a red reader?

It will not record to "standard" flash media [CF, SD, etc.]. It will record to RED FLASH high-capacity, high-quality, high-speed cards. We do not yet know specifics on size or pricing.

I imagine that they will release an external FW800 reader for RED FLASH cards. This is, however, speculation.

One could import footage using the camera as a deck, AFAIK.

[PaulClements]

It will not record to "standard" flash media [CF, SD, etc.]. It will record to RED FLASH high-capacity, high-quality, high-speed cards. We do not yet know specifics on size or pricing.

I imagine that they will release an external FW800 reader for RED FLASH cards. This is, however, speculation.

One could import footage using the camera as a deck, AFAIK.

But surely the Red Flash will simply be a spinoff of the new highspeed flash media coming out over the next few months, even Jim doesn't have the dollar to shell out on Flash R&D it would be pointless to for such a small market. So in actual fact it ought to use the up and coming media that WILL be available in computer stores in the near future. If it doesn't then that smacks of a lack of modularity, especially if those outside the US have to wait a week or longer to get another card.

[Mike]

Well, that's probably just plain silly, right? How can I shoot without a high quality EVF? Oh, well . . . I just hope RED's EVF is loads cheaper than the color HD one Sony makes for the F900 [$10,000]!


Why not? As Red has already stated that they will have a focus assist to help in focusing, if you are willing to forgo some accuracy on other elements, I do think the LCD can be used as a poor man's EVF.

A lot of independent films was shot and monitored on the LCD screen that came with the camera, as long as the focus is fine I think it can be done with some compromises.

[Ralph Oshiro]

Why not? As Red has already stated that they will have a focus assist to help in focusing, if you are willing to forgo some accuracy on other elements, I do think the LCD can be used as a poor man's EVF.Cool! I did just take a closer look at the LCD's pre-release photos at RED.com, and hopefully, it'll be an adequately functioning substitute for a real EVF. If it has a focus assist, decent resolution, and at least the bare minimum VF status indicators, that's great! Now, did we just make up the fact that the LCD comes with the body, or has someone at RED confirmed that the LCD is included in the $17.5K?

[Ralph Oshiro]

Sorry, you're correct. I just copied Rob's list from a little while ago and that's how it was referenced. The LCD is separate, and is mountable on any of the positioning points on the camera, rails, cage, etc. The main thing is that it's included in the purchase price. :)Nevermind.

[Rob Lohman]

Details on what's included in the box should be available in March (according to an earlier post by Jim)

[Appleton]

Details on what's included in the box should be available in March (according to an earlier post by Jim)When will we know what level of computer we'll need for all the various res'?

I know to buy closest to when you need it, but knowing render times/monitoring/storage would be cool too.

Thanks.

[Rob Lohman]

As soon as we have solid numbers to give you. That's the best I can do at the moment. The software is still in development and will be further enhanced after the camera ships. So expect updates.

I would not buy any RED related gear before you get the camera or NAB roles around.

I'm not trying to be vague, I just don't have the numbers for you yet. I want to make sure you get the right numbers. They will come out before the camera ships, that I can promise.

[digitalinnovations]

I am thrilled that this thread popped up. I was wondering the same thing on package contents. Thanks a bunch!

Can I assume that the different mounts (Nikon for me) will be available when shipment begins?

And can I say how amazed and thrilled I am that the people behind this camera system are taking to the time to answer all of our questions and to listen to feedback. I think this is great!

[Blair S. Paulsen]

It has been said before and I think it bears repeating - even if all you got for your $17,500 was the body it would still be an un-frakkin-believable deal.

Cool your jets folks and pretty soon it will all be clear.

[Appleton]

okey doke. thanks Rob.

just planning on where to spend the cake.


It has been said before and I think it bears repeating - even if all you got for your $17,500 was the body it would still be an un-frakkin-believable deal.

Cool your jets folks and pretty soon it will all be clear.dude, it's a question. nothing to chill about.

jets are fully cooled.

since when did asking a simple question - not asked before - mean criticism ?

geez, i'm not as sensitive as some folks round these parts. :)

have a great one, dude.

[Brook Willard]

Easy...

[Blair S. Paulsen]

If my post seemed peevish it was certainly not meant to be and was not aimed at you Appleton. I was just trying to insert some perspective into the discussion that I thought had gotten lost. This camera system is still in development after all and Graeme has specifically said that until the code is farther along it is impossible to know what RedCine render times might be on any computer.

The current company line is that in March they will release a more complete description of where the process is at and what we can expect. That seemed reasonable to me and I said so.

At the risk of causing more trouble I am also sanguine about how soon the RedOne will ship. If it takes until fall I would still consider it a tremendous feat. The difficulty factor of what the Red Team is doing is astronomical. Most companies wouldn't even whisper about a product like this until it was much farther along.

[Ralph Oshiro]

At the risk of causing more trouble I am also sanguine about how soon the RedOne will ship. If it takes until fall I would still consider it a tremendous feat.Although no one knows what the eventual shipping schedule will actually be, I wasn't "expecting" to receive my RED #001148 until Q4 2007, maybe even Q1 2008. I have a short feature script almost completed--I don't know if I should start shooting it with my Sony DSR450 [full-sized, 2/3" 16:9 SD 24P DVCAM], or just wait until my RED ships.

[Blue]

i'm a chick

Hey Appleton,

You/me/pizza?