The Schedule.

[Jannard]

OK. Here is the revised schedule. IT IS STILL TENTATIVE (as required by law). I have recently learned how many things can go wrong at the 11th hour so I am still a bit gun-shy about committing to this schedule 100%. This is the timeline we have in-house and everyone, including all of our suppliers, is now committed to do everything we can to make it happen. I have stated before that the 1st production cameras will NOT be fully feature enabled. I need a few more days to post that schedule.

If anyone who has a reservation wants to wait to receive their cameras when all features are enabled, we will hold their camera aside until that time. They will NOT lose their serial number. If anyone wants to cancel their reservation for any reason, we will refund their deposit by the schedule I posted last week.

Cameras for movie production- now to July 30th. These cameras will have limited features. Not enough for production cameras but enough to shoot a major motion picture. We will get valuable "field test" information from these projects.

Production camera schedule:
Serial numbers 1 (mine)-50 August 30th (50 units)
Serial numbers 51-100 September 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-300 October 10th (200 units)
Serial numbers 301- 700 November 10th (400 units)
Serial numbers 701- 1200 December 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1201- 1700 January 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1701- 2200 February 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2201- 2700 March 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2701- 3400 April 10th (700 units)
Serial numbers 3401- 4100 May 10th (700 units)

We recognize that this delay is not what anyone voted for. We are doing our best and appreciate everyone's patience.

Jim

[PaulClements]

Thanks Jim, looking forward to November!!! If it's later it's later I'm sure everyone will forget any delay once they have it in their hands

[Shawn Nelson]

Ooh! Shawn likes! Does "Serial numbers 1 (mine)-50 August 30th (50 units)" mean I can expect mine mid-August (since I'm mid way through that range) or that you'll be releasing all 50 as a batch on August30th?

[Dave Cooper]

4100 cameras have been reserved? Damn.

Here's to hoping everything goes as planned (from now on).

[Tonaci Tran]

thanks Jim!

[Gianny Trutmann]

Thanks a Million Jim

[Craig Bowman]

Woo Hoo! Thanks for that Jim!!!!

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

How are we even to know what number we are if we weren't one of the initial 1,500 reservations? I'm really not sure where I stand with that.

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

November 10th! Christmas is coming early this year!

I love it!

[Noah Kadner]

How are we even to know what number we are if we weren't one of the initial 1,500 reservations? I'm really not sure where I stand with that.

Looks like at the least, it means you'll be getting your camera sometime in 2008.

[roryhinds]

Thanks Jim

Could you tell us if the board's being fixed?
And I seconded Shawn's question as I'm #68, so will I get mine at the start of September?

[Michael Hastings]

Jim:

First of all thanks, second, I'm number 206 with a customer wanting to shoot in October, will cameras be built and shipped on a daily basis i.e 10 or so a day as you assemble/test or will you get 200 on a pallet October 10 to ship all at once? In other words if all goes to plan (and I am on board with the idea that anything can change) could 206 ship late September as cameras are shipped throughout the month?

[Mardi_Gras]

I was hoping my RedOne Sundance debut was still possible this year, but guess what... I'm glad we know now, even though as required by law, you still are not a 100% committed to it. Thanks all the same, Jim. Appreciate the heads up.

[Curran Giddens]

This is about what I was hoping for. Thanks!

[Joe Aurili]

Good question.


Ooh! Shawn likes! Does "Serial numbers 1 (mine)-50 August 30th (50 units)" mean I can expect mine mid-August (since I'm mid way through that range) or that you'll be releasing all 50 as a batch on August30th?

[johannperry]

Great news Jim,
I can now go off for a few weeks with our new baby, who is due next week, and not have to check in to this damn site every few hours. Looks like it will be a the new year till mine arrives so I can just settle down to some pram pushing around the park.
Well done Red team for a fantastic effort.
regards Johann

[Joe Aurili]

Jim, can I have your camera if this schedule slips? This would be great motivation to make it happen! ;)

[Frank Weeks]

Jim

As most of us have stated in past posts. Getting it right up front is critical for both the believers and the sceptics.

After waiting 3 decades for a camera with these capibilities, I'm just happy to know that it's within arms reach.

Thanks for being up front with us. I hope that the shift at Oakley will mean even more of your focus can be spent on the Red One.

Let the revolution continue!

Frank Weeks
Red #852

[David Cubbage]

Great news; thanks Jim.

I just have a very long order number so how do we relate to the serial numbers Jim has posted.

[Michael Stanmore]

Allright. Me being somewhere in the 4000 numbers means I get to experience each one of your "birthday"s before I get my present!

[LighthouseMEdia]

Jim,
Can those of us with cameras delivered in 2008 pay in 2007 to avoid Taxes?

[Damien Molineaux]

Okay I'm putting on my rubber boots, let's try to avoid slipping. If it's two days that's fine thought, Nov 12th is my birthday !!!

Thanks Jim, team,
Cheers,
Damien

[Cam McGrath]

Whatever it takes to get it right! Although I'm confident christmas wil be sweet this year....

dREDcam

[Adrian T.]

:shiftyph34r: Remember, remember the 10th of November. The RED ONE, screenplay, and plot. I know of no reason why RED ONE should ever be forgot. :)

[Antoine Fabi]

I've never been so exited to get a piece of equipment since my good old Gibson Les Paul...


This new concept has been (still is) exiting from the beginning.

The R&D and tons of modifications seems to have been 100% Rock&Roll.

...and this schedule estimate is really challenging.

...exeptionally sustained and inspired work.

thanks Mr. Jannard and the RED team.


Now it would be great to have guidelines to purchase compatible equipments.

[Ed Watkins]

:shiftyph34r: Remember, remember the 10th of November. The RED ONE, screenplay, and plot. I know of no reason why RED ONE should ever be forgot. :)

I sense a theme (excuse the repost)

http://naturalscinema.com/revolution.jpg

[Greg M]

Jim,
Can those of us with cameras delivered in 2008 pay in 2007 to avoid Taxes?


and can you share the secret on how this would avoid taxes?

[Steve Gibby]

Thanks for that update Jim!

I suppport your announced schedule 100%. I can totally live with those dates - 8/30 for #8, and 11/10 for #700. If #8 has some operational limitations when it ships and needs to be upgraded (RGB, etc.), I have no problem with that. Hopefully you'll get some great feedback from the beta testing which will help you analyze any problem areas before you get to final assembly of the production models. Thanks for all your hard work RED Team! Much appreciated...

Kick some ass on the final dev & build of these puppies and then we'll put 'em in motion!

[Álex Montoya]

By avoiding taxes I guess he means he has to pay this year and buying some equipment would lessen the fiscal burden.

[david farland]

Nice one....
The delay has helped me in I now have a proper budget for all the accessories/lenses. The 18-85mm zoom and primes are scheduled for same time (Nov-Dec) as my camera....but that's just me.
Dave,

[Shaun Au]

and can you share the secret on how this would avoid taxes?

I want to know too.:biggrin:

[Gbabymogul]

Has the board been fixed? Respectfully, that is more important than the shipping schedule or cheerleading. If it's still being worked on, that's cool, but it was the reason for this 3 month delay, so that's why i'm asking...

Pragmatic enthusiast , Thanks for your patience. ;)

:beer:

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

My friend David checked his order, too, neither of us have any numbers that we can even tell when we might get ours. I thought Jim said that two thousand cameras had been sold, but it looks more like twice that, so then I'd assume I'm probably like three-thousand-something, but I'm not really sure. How did some of you figure out your numbers, if you ordered after reservations were completed?

But this is good, at least there is some sort of schedule. Now to figure out what to do between now and then, haha.

[Mark Crabtree]

Thank you.

I will now go out and get a life . . . until September 15th.
My wife will be so happy. I can spend time with her instead of hanging around here.


But wait! I still have to know about my lens reservations. Do I get the 18x85 or go for the 18x50? When will I know how and when I can decide?
What about my 300mm lens reservation? And so many more unanswered questions!

Oh well, she'll just have to be happy after September 15th.

But wait! Red is an all new way of shooting. So much to learn! I'll have to do so many tests.

Oh well!

[Luke Boyce]

let me make sure I'm reading this right: Does the date refer to the date those numbers will be shipped by or the date those numbers will start shipping. For instance: Do numbers 301-700 start shipping on November 10th or by November 10th?

[David Battistella]

I have two questions.

Are all of the options, lenses, cages and peripherals going to ship with the camera orders?

Will Final Cut Pro be RED enabled by the time the cameras ship?

Well Done! Thanks! Good to know it's shipping so soon!

David

[MikeCurtis]

I can live with those dates too - I'm getting mine to rent out, and I'm not exactly worried about folks renting that other 4K, under $20K body instead...oh wait, there isn't one.

: )

I perceive the primary competition to a Red as a Red for the user base I'll likely address. If this is what it takes to get it right, I'm all for it - sell no (red) wine before its time and all that!

I'll jump in on the question train and am curious to know if those batches ship by the indicated date, or start shipping on the indicated date, or all at once on the indicated date? Or did I miss that somewhere?

-mike

[david farland]

I'll jump in on the question train and am curious to know if those batches ship by the indicated date, or start shipping on the indicated date, or all at once on the indicated date? Or did I miss that somewhere?

-mike

Questions are the second best thing this forum does.

...Speculation is the first.
On that note i'll wade in.....

Jim says: 'Cameras for movie production- now to July 30th'

If that's a precedent for his nonclementure on the rest of the dates, then I'd speculate the next 50 will be delivered by August 30th...but maybe not......JIM???

[C.H.Haskell]

BIG QUESTION for NON serial number holders here....

How de we determine our place in line when we do not have a serial number????

Is there some little math I need to know, like add 1500 to some part of my order number which is 392551243??? Sorry if this has been answered but I feel a tad bit in the dark as we are also planning our 08’ schedule (we do know its 08).

Anyways...Thanks Jim for updates and good luck with all. :)

Best

[Mark L. Pederson]

Huge thanks in advance to Jim, Ted, Graeme, Jarred, Stuart, James, Chris, Kelly, Rob, Matt, Deanan, Joanne, Brian, Hugo & the ENTIRE Red Team for all hard, intense work they will endure in upcoming weeks!

Now, things are getting exciting!!

two quick questions only curious here - no pressure - :

#1 do you have any updated estimates on avail of lenses ?

#2 any accessories that MIGHT not be ready before August 30th?

Also, Jim, big congrats on "all things Oakley". Just fantastic. You should be very, VERY proud.

[Tom Lowe]

Cool! November is earlier than I thought for #400.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Huge thanks in advance to Jim, Ted, Graeme, Jarred, Rob & the entire Red Team for all hard, intense work they will endure in upcoming weeks!

Now, things are getting exciting!!

two quick questions only curious here - no pressure - :

#1 do you have any updated estimates on avail of lenses ?

#2 any accessories that MIGHT not be ready before August 30th?

Also, Jim, big congrats on "all things Oakley". Just fantastic. You should be very, VERY proud.

If I recall, Jim said eary on that accessories were never a problem, therefore I think they all most likely stayed on the origional schedule.

Jay

[Häakon]

OK. Here is the revised schedule. IT IS STILL TENTATIVE (as required by law).

Cameras for movie production- now to July 30th. These cameras will have limited features. Not enough for production cameras but enough to shoot a major motion picture.
Thank you for the update, Jim. I realize that this schedule is tentative (as all of the others have been), but having something that's even a ballpark estimation helps somewhat. At least we have a target now.

I'm still not understanding how a camera can "not have enough features to be a production camera" yet have enough to "shoot a major motion picture" (isn't that what many of us intend to do?), but I digress. I'm glad that there are some units out there being tested and I know you won't release the cameras to the public until they're 100% ready.

I know this schedule is about three to four months later than you originally declared you were hoping for, but the difference between RED and other (unnamed) camera companies is that at least when dates slip you have been in good contact with us to keep us up to date on what's going on. The only time I was perturbed was waiting five weeks for your update just to be told to "wait some more," but you came through this week and I know that this project has been anything but easy. The fact that all of us are still here with you speaks volumes, I think. I said it before, but I think it bears saying again: I'm critical because I care. I know you have a lot of followers here (some more crazed than others), :-P and I've been a prime supporter from day one. But because you're the first camera company in a long, long time that is not only making the product that so many of us have wished for but are actually taking the time to listen to customers and get input, I have always thought it important to call you out on the things that aren't working right alongside offering praise to the stuff that's fantastic. I hope the sterness of my conviction has not eroded away at any appreciation you have had of my character in the last several months. I want to see this camera and this company succeed in the best of ways, for I believe it will benefit all of us.

The last big question mark (for me - I know others have several more questions) is how the accessories are going to work, just what actually will be available to us (and when), and what the prices will be. Luckily, I'm in "batch #2" so hopefully those in the first batch will be just as concerned and you'll have the info ready by the time my camera is ready. I know RED ONE is the priority and top concern, but it's the usability that will really help to carry it. I'm also really interested in seeing how the GUI has evolved since NAB; with all of the delays in suppliers and such, I'm hoping that whoever is responsible for the interface has taken the time to really pimp it out! :-)

Good luck to you and everyone else on the Red team for the remainder of the run... you're in the home stretch now and I think it's pretty safe to say that we're all (way more than) excited about the months to come.

[Kevin Halverson]

Thanks for the updated release schedule!

Hopefully things like owner's manuals and software will be release a bit early so we can get a jump on the workflow issues.

I am very interested in testing REDCINE as early as possible as I will not be using FCP for my post workflow.

[OwenR]

Thanks jim for this and we look forward to shooting red in 2008...

[Owen James]

Two thumbs up...

[Adrian Correia]

my hope is that this extra time will help to bring down the price on the solid state options....I had several projects scheduled, but that is the way it goes!

Any clarification on the board and whether or not the problem has been resolved?

[Pierce Cook]

So does this mean if we were to order one today or later we'd be getting it after May?

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

So does this mean if we were to order one today or later we'd be getting it after May?

This is what I'm so confused about, because I thought Jim said that 2000 cameras had been sold, but maybe I misunderstood. Maybe that was 1,500 + 2,000, and now that number is higher? Or maybe Jim is saying that there will be more orders and that by May 4,000 cameras will be *available* to ship, who knows, really. We don't know the exact number of REDs that have been ordered or reserved by this point.

Also I'd like to know about the lenses, like if I were to order a prime set now, could I get it earlier than my camera, or the same time as the camera, or later? This is all information I need to know sooner or later.

[Adrian Correia]

So does this mean if we were to order one today or later we'd be getting it after May?

yes, most certainly

[Pierce Cook]

This is what I'm so confused about, because I thought Jim said that 2000 cameras had been sold, but maybe I misunderstood. Maybe that was 1,500 + 2,000, and now that number is higher? Or maybe Jim is saying that there will be more orders and that by May 4,000 cameras will be *available* to ship, who knows, really. We don't know the exact number of REDs that have been ordered or reserved by this point.

Also I'd like to know about the lenses, like if I were to order a prime set now, could I get it earlier than my camera, or the same time as the camera, or later? This is all information I need to know sooner or later.


Agreed, I'm trying to plan some major financial deals and was hoping to purchase not too far from now, but I'd certainly need it before June of 2008.

Lenses, etc, too.

[david farland]

wow, must of been a bit of a cluster fuck if the board redesign and the feature updates moved south by 4 months.

Nice to know that sooooo many bugs/problem have come out (well hopefully).

I never really worry how many bugs come out in the testing phase...actually I quite like it cos it means they're not going out into production units. The report I really look at is how fast those bugs are fixed!

Cheers,

[Ben Ponce]

Hey guys, I think he is planning out the first 4100 units (units already sold plus ones still yet to be sold) shipping plans not giving the schedule for units that HAVE BEEN sold. May sound crazy but I say this because Jim did just state in another post a few days ago that approx. 2000 units had been sold. Another reason I say this is because I e-mailed the red team directly about 2 weeks and a few days ago and asked if I had ordered a Red one as of that date what the delivery would be and they answered back with "probably early 2008". So either way, either they got another 2000 orders in the last 2+ weeks or there was some major decisions made to slow production at the last minute so the cameras are made with quality. In the end, I'll still wait it out.

[Jannard]

We have only about 2000 reservations and orders. I gave the schedule out several numbers so everyone could get a feel for production. We expect that orders will continue to come in, especially after we begin shipping. Sorry for any confusion.

Jim

[Ben Ponce]

Yes! That's "talking" to a billionaire twice in 1 day!!! Jim you're a badass! Thanks for straightening that one out.

[Greg Voevodsky]

I'm glad to see a more realistic schedule. I also hope everyone is ready for another few months of delay in case @#$@ happens... I'd recommend all reservation holders to add a few months to any production schedule to be safe or you well be spending lots of $$$ renting or buying something else.

Besides GREAT WORK JIM AND COMPANY, my simple question is the accessories and reservations. I would assume a low number without an early reservation, would get accessories before a 6 month later higher number reservation?

Is that correct? Assuming of course, that you can replace and supply the later high end reservation holder with newer accessories. How could you ship a camera without batteries (holding 100 for reservation holders 6 months out)?

I'd assume you are going to match camera delivery with accessories as best as possible. I've been waiting on reserving accessories for several reasons. 1 - things keep changing so fast so why reserve? 2 - why put down more reservation money for things not yet locked in? 3 - I hope to see some stuff tested like lenses, etc - to see what the reviews are and then make my decisions as to NIKON and red lenses, etc. 4 - it makes more sense to ship accessories more on first camera delivered than on reservations, assuming proper production numbers and supply are avialable.

If this is not the case, then please send us a formal e-mail asking all reservation holders to check what they want and to send you a list with deposit. Until, I see a formal request, I assume many reservation holders are NOT reading these boards 2hrs every day to find out what we are suppose to do. Best Regards.

[Pierce Cook]

Wait, so that mean I could still get it before May? They've only sold about 2000? (yes?)

New Pic of Indy (http://www.indianajones.com/community/news/news20070621.html) and Red good news all in the same day?!?!

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

Excellent! That is awesome news. Phew... so I think I'd get mine in January or February. I ordered two months ago. I'm guessing February, but that's fine, that'd be awesome if that happens! About what I expected, actually. So I'm stoked. Thank you, Jim!

[Jannard]

We have our hands full getting this project off the ground. Our intent is to make personal contact with each reservation holder before we put their order together to package as many accessories they want as possible.

Jim

[I Bloom]

We have our hands full getting this project off the ground. Our intent is to make personal contact with each reservation holder before we put their order together to package as many accessories they want as possible.

Jim

Jim,

What are our chances of getting some "tactile knowledge" of the accessories before we buy them. In other words, how can we try building the camera and setting up different accessories.

I'm willing to take a leap of faith on the body, I think that's a known quantity. But for the rest it's like I'm buying a car and I can't sit in it even in the showroom. Lenses in particular are really important to me, especially in terms of mechanical performance. While the RED primes are much less expensive than their alternatives, they are still an investment that needs to be thoroughly researched.

In any case, congratulation on another hurdle.

IBloom

[Daniel Reichenbach]

This are good news early in the morning, thanks Jim. Would be great to know about the accessories, what have changed exactly so that we can order the right pieces.

[Chris Gearhart]

That's great! November is my new favorite month for this year.

Thanks Jim.

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

That would also be great if I was given the opportunity to put together a more extensive accessory package when available. I mean, I know for sure I want a prime lens set and the announced 50-150mm zoom lens, not yet sure about the 300mm but probably. I just was reluctant to order them all at one time with the money put down, etc. I felt it was best to make a good working package for the 35gs.

[Keith Alan Morris]

BIG QUESTION for NON serial number holders here....

How de we determine our place in line when we do not have a serial number????

Is there some little math I need to know, like add 1500 to some part of my order number which is 392551243??? Sorry if this has been answered but I feel a tad bit in the dark as we are also planning our 08’ schedule (we do know its 08).

Anyways...Thanks Jim for updates and good luck with all. :)

Best

Non-serial numbers were "timestamped" the moment people placed their order when it opened back up for us (NAB 2007) and those timestamped numbers weren't given out. Order "numbers" (like 392551243) don't count--its all about the timestamps.

There are like 1450-1500 early reservationists. I ordered mine at 9:03am Monday, 1st day of NAB 2007 and got timestamped then (thats what they told me over the phone).

[NZ1]

Thanks Jim that's good news, however as we have only been provided witha receipt number.... how do we know the serial number of our camera?

Could you please adivse, thanks.

[Greg Voevodsky]

A suggestion, Jim - if you are trying to get some numbers on accessories like batteries, (I was planning on 2. Now, 4 after some specs came out ) - I'm sure if you sent a formal e-mail to us reservation holders on what we are planning on buying (rather than depositing and reserving now) - most of us would gladly fill out the forms for you to give you a much more accurate account.

I'm sure you'd like to know lcd vs viewfinder or both, buyers there are - just ask us our plans... I haven't reserved, since I assume you will have both at the time of my early number. If not, then formally ask us to reserve. Thanks!

PS - Many of us would love RED - T-SHIRTS ETC... and you guys are all busy... would it be alright if we set up a www.cafepress - and put some RED logos on T-shirts? It's free advertising. If you want a royalty - cafepress and us can give you all the sales numbers and send you royalty payments.

And when you are ready for merchandise, just ask us to stop or cafepress and its over or take over our business. I'd love a RED spider and logo on my coffee cup, clock and t-shirt.

[Shane Betts]

Does this mean that for serial numbers 701 - 1200, we have untill December 10th to cancel and get the deposit back?

Or auction it off if you don't want it. Maybe someone would pay to move up the line?

[Adam C Lubkin]

Thanks Jim that's good news, however as we have only been provided witha receipt number.... how do we know the serial number of our camera?

Could you please adivse, thanks.


Since there were about 1500 reservations, and there's now about 2000 sold, then anyone whose's put a deposit down since the start of NAB 2007 is somewhere between number 1500 and 2000, approximately, which puts you at mid-January to mid-February, estimated ship date.

[Jason Francois]

thanks for the update Jim.

This is good news and bad for me. I have decided to shoot a low-budget feature on the HVX tentatively starting in November. It would be hard to shoot with the HVX knowing that any day my RED could come in, but I need to shoot December at the VERY latest or wait two years to get the same kind of location again. :(

I guess I'm not sure whether I'm going to want the camera until it's fully functional, so maybe I'll just suck it up and shoot with the HVX and wait until the RED is full-featured, save some money and shoot another.

Now, I just have to sell my house. Anybody want to buy a house in the desert? :)

Best,

Jason

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

Forget that man, I'm just selling those extra internal organs you don't really need. I mean who needs TWO lungs, anyway? One was clearly put there to help you purchase expensive things. Maybe someone will buy my appendix too, don't see any use for that thing. One of the kidneys has gotta go. Hopefully after those sales I'll be able to afford a prime lens set. haha, j/k.

[Brandon Freeman]

Thanks for the update.

I've decided, instead of looking to purchase my own Red (or other camera) for my next feature (August '08), I'll just hire a few guys who've had a year or so with theirs (listen to me, I sound like I'm some sort of hot shot). Again, budget pending -- I might have to settle for some HVX200 owners if funding doesn't go well. :)

Good to know that there will in fact be a lot of folks on the market that will indeed have a good chunk of experience. I hope to hire a couple guys that have the full version of the RED, though.

Brandon

[Keith Alan Morris]

thanks for the update Jim.

This is good news and bad for me. I have decided to shoot a low-budget feature on the HVX tentatively starting in November. It would be hard to shoot with the HVX knowing that any day my RED could come in, but I need to shoot December at the VERY latest or wait two years to get the same kind of location again. :(

I guess I'm not sure whether I'm going to want the camera until it's fully functional, so maybe I'll just suck it up and shoot with the HVX and wait until the RED is full-featured, save some money and shoot another.


You could always rent in Dec... That's what I may do since I'm in the same situation... or maybe do a swap! Like, if someone needs my camera after January for a 2 camera shoot, and can give up theirs for 2 weeks in Dec, that would be ideal... Any takers? PM me.

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

Thanks for the update.

I've decided, instead of looking to purchase my own Red (or other camera) for my next feature (August '08), I'll just hire a few guys who've had a year or so with theirs (listen to me, I sound like I'm some sort of hot shot). Again, budget pending -- I might have to settle for some HVX200 owners if funding doesn't go well. :)

Good to know that there will in fact be a lot of folks on the market that will indeed have a good chunk of experience. I hope to hire a couple guys that have the full version of the RED, though.

Brandon

I'll hook you up. ;)

[Sanjin Jukic]

Thanks for the update Jim!

Serial numbers 301- 700 November 10th (400 units).

For #694 fits perfect .

[Keith Nealy]

Thanks Jim, that's an awful ambitious schedule. You puppies are going to be busy. With the feature betas, and early testers like Gibby and friends, things are really going to start jumping around here.

Hope you allow a little time to breath and spend with your family (your OTHER family.)

It will be an honor to give you my money sir. I will do every thing in my power to help you succeed.

Good Luck.

aloha,

Keith

[Jaime Vallés]

Well, hey! Looks like I'm getting mine right around my birthday! I love December. Santa just needs to bring me one gift this year, with a big red bow on top!

Good luck with the rest of development, RED team. Don't worry about us... We're all still here. ;)

[Jason Francois]

You could always rent in Dec... That's what I may do since I'm in the same situation... or maybe do a swap! Like, if someone needs my camera after January for a 2 camera shoot, and can give up theirs for 2 weeks in Dec, that would be ideal... Any takers? PM me.

That's always possible. The Phoenix area will have a good number of cameras around.

The problem is that my feature isn't really RED budgeted. My impatience is forcing me to get it "in the can" for about $25k. Tight to say the least.

Good idea though. Thanks.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Yippeee!! Looks like I still can get mine this year. :)

A big thanks to Jim and the rest of the RED team for keeping the project on course and keeping us all in the loop.

[Zack Birlew]

Well, at least this gives me time to really use my HV20!

Actually, this works out pretty good because, based on my production classes before, I probably won't start filming until November anyway.

Can't wait!

[Brian D. Goff]

Serial numbers 1701- 2200 February 10th (500 units)

I think I'm somewere in there - it's my birthday on the 6th of feb. - just imagine the postman ringing on that day:clown2:

[Zakaree Sandberg]

thats my bday too.. my red bday will be dec

[SF Geek]

I noticed that a couple people stated that they were happy that they would be getting their camera with the 18-85mm zoom. As I recall, for the time being, that lens is delayed indefinately. Am I missing something? I thought that the two zooms that are expected to be released were the 18-50 and the new 50-150.

[Jannard]

The 18-50mm CF T3 (f2.8) lens will be available immediately with the shipments of the 1st cameras. The 50-150mm T3 (f2.8) lens will likely be available at years' end. The 18-85mm T3 (f2.8) lens is still in the works. We are hoping for mid-2008. The Prime lens set is scheduled for years' end or 1st of 2008. Hope that helps. Remember, all could change tomorrow. :-)

Jim

[Michael Mann]

A reservation for the 18-85mm may be swapped for the 18-50mm, right?

[gbalaji]

Thanks Jim for your wonderful effort. I have not booked any cameras but i am ordinant fan of RED from it debuts in NAB 2006. I love to see anyone of the first 50 cameras booked are from India, where i live.

May the force be with you Jim.

[Shawn Nelson]

I'm so glad your zoom lens goes down to 18mm. I've been doing some stills with the 24-70mm L series Canon EF and while it's a nice lens, there are many time I just want to go wider.

[Steve Connor]

At least there should be rental units available before the end of this year for those of us who can't afford to buy one just yet.

[johannperry]

Jim,

What are our chances of getting some "tactile knowledge" of the accessories before we buy them. In other words, how can we try building the camera and setting up different accessories.

I'm willing to take a leap of faith on the body, I think that's a known quantity. But for the rest it's like I'm buying a car and I can't sit in it even in the showroom. Lenses in particular are really important to me, especially in terms of mechanical performance. While the RED primes are much less expensive than their alternatives, they are still an investment that needs to be thoroughly researched.

IBloom

I would second this thought. Could an early unit be kept as a demo model so res holders could come and put their config together. This would clarify all those little questions for any user who needed definative answers about how their config would work for their own requirements.
The obvious flaw with this plan is that you would have 2000 appointments to work through which could take a couple of years right there.

[Carlo Rho]

Thanks Jim & RED crew,
december will be fine... 4 months of commercial before movie season.
782 & 783 will be my best xmas present ever!

Ciao Carlo

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

That's great to hear the prime lens set and the 50-150 will be available roughly by the start of 2008, since I should get my RED sometime a month or two after the start of the year, and I really need that equipment. For me it's probably perfect to get the camera when I am, because I don't have any cine lenses now and I really need what RED is offering, plus I'd rather have a fully feature-enabled camera.

[Corrado Silveri]

Thanks Jim&Crew.

A couple of months and the first Redones will land on the planet Heart.

Seems incredible.

Hoping to see you all in Amsterdam in Sept.

My best, Corrado.

[Storyline]

Perhaps one will be in the works, but a Red Tour to major cities along the lines of the Apple FCP/Suite tour would be a fine way to get some seminar hands-on time with the camera, lens(es) and accessories. That would help reservation holders finalize purchasing choices and not swamp the Red team with 4,000 users coming to the offices.

[Clayton Harper]

Screw all you level-headed fanboys. I am gonna miss the best magic hour shooting light of the whole year (late august/early september) in time for October or more realistically November. :)

At least the project is still happening.

[planet e]

Merry Christmas (#1008) and a Happy New Year (#1248) to me!

This is awesome. Right in the sweet spot. The early users should have all of the bugs and the workflow issues completely resolved by then, so that we can just shoot, edit, and deliver.

[Ben Ponce]

All you res holders just make sure you post what the hands on experience is here as soon as you can! I'm positive that the results will only make it that much harder for those of us who are gonna wait out the first wave to get one that's fully stocked in our hands.

[Paul Wizikowski]

I know these dates are still tentative, but it gets the excitement going again to have a time to look forward to. I appreciate all the hard work RED is doing. Its gonna rock.

[IAN SUN]

Now we can all relax, (or get back to work making that RED money).
Merry Christmas to me :)
Thanks Jim and the RED Team.

[PeteCoggan]

How will the delivery of accesories (mags, viewfinders, etc.,) fit into this schedule? Everything ready to roll?

Thanks

Pete

[Miltos Pilalitos]

I have reservation number #1473 which puts me in the "until 10th of January" window. How likely is it to receive the camera before the end of December?

It is very important for me to understand if having the number 1473 means my camera will arrive between 10th of December to 10th of January. A few weeks will make a huge difference to me as a lot of the money i am saving for the camera and the lens-set will have to go for the (2007) taxes if it arrives in January 2008.

It could be a damage of as much as 10.000 euro to me.

Please Red team. Can you clarify a bit on the serial numbers 1201- 1700 situation?

[Justin Kirchhoff]

Jim,

Not that this is your area, but I'm glad you are trying to contact all your customers in regards to building their final order before it ships.

BUT, how about the customers trying to contact Red? I've called and sent e-mails the past few weeks to no avail. I'm guessing because the company was piecing things together to try and get the schedule out...I just hope when I call next I'll be able to talk to someone, not an answering machine.

Every customer is important, and I know you know that more than anyone else. When banks ask why I'm doing such a big purchase, they need proof of accessories, etc! LOL....I hope Kelly gets back to me soon!

[Ben Ponce]

That's odd Justin. I sent the Red team an e-mail about 2 weeks ago and got a response.

[Júlio Taubkin]

Hoping you can make it! It's not as bad as you made it look! :D

[Justin Kirchhoff]

I've never had luck contacting Kelly. I'm just one of those hopeful customers where I luck out if I can make contact with them... :(

[Don Woods]

keep working hard jim thank you

[Chosei Funahara]

Mine will be next year, now, I can go to sleep peacefully.

Thanks,

[Nook Kim]

Jim,

Congratulations to your recent deal on Oakley. I think this means you are
now the Red person, not Oakley/Red person. This is only great news to
me that you won't have any financial issues at all in the future on the project.

It's really great to see a person like you fully committing to the film/video
industry. Thanks for bringing the excitement to a student like me.

Regards,

[Craig Schober]

I've never had luck contacting Kelly. I'm just one of those hopeful customers where I luck out if I can make contact with them... :(

i think it's the sign of a truly busy and fresh company like red. everyday their employess probably have a slightly different schedule.

i emailed kelly twice in one day back a few weeks ago. both of my emails were answered within minutes. but i wouldn't expect such a rapid response everytime either.

[Mark L. Pederson]

I am gonna miss the best magic hour shooting light of the whole year (late august/early september) in time for October or more realistically November. :)


No you wont. I got you covered lordnumberzero.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Cameras for movie production- now to July 30th. These cameras will have limited features. Not enough for production cameras but enough to shoot a major motion picture.

I ended up looking at Jim's schedule post again and saw something that I haven't seen anyone else comment on. Maybe I'm just extra tired tonight, but did anyone else think this is a bit funny? Pre-production cameras aren't good enough for the customers, but they're good enough to shoot a major motion picture? Hehehe... That's cool. :matrix:

...OK, time to find some sleep.

[Don Woods]

That Is cool, Interesting If you think about it

[Alexander Nikishin]

I ended up looking at Jim's schedule post again and saw something that I haven't seen anyone else comment on. Maybe I'm just extra tired tonight, but did anyone else think this is a bit funny? Pre-production cameras aren't good enough for the customers, but they're good enough to shoot a major motion picture? Hehehe... That's cool. :matrix:

...OK, time to find some sleep.

Politics :clown2:

[Rodrigo Lizana]

I'm so glad your zoom lens goes down to 18mm. I've been doing some stills with the 24-70mm L series Canon EF and while it's a nice lens, there are many time I just want to go wider.

A 24mm still lens covers a wider angle of view than a 24mm cine lens. While on a still camera the film runs horizontally, on a motion picture camera the film is loaded vertically from the mag into the body resulting on an smaller area.

[ChristopherKenworthy]

Serial numbers 1201- 1700 January 10th (500 units)


Great to get this news, but I still haven't found clarification for what this date means. Does this mean serial numbers 1201-1700 will BEGIN shipping on January 10th, or COMPLETE shipping on January 10th. I know this may seem petty, given that we're still in the land of tentative dates - but for those us re-booking cast and crew for features, it would really help to know.

[donatello b]

just guessing and to play it safe - figure #1201 starts shipping on that date and by Feb 9 #1700 will be shipped

[Greg M]

Great to get this news, but I still haven't found clarification for what this date means. Does this mean serial numbers 1201-1700 will BEGIN shipping on January 10th, or COMPLETE shipping on January 10th. I know this may seem petty, given that we're still in the land of tentative dates - but for those us re-booking cast and crew for features, it would really help to know.

wow, you are going to schedule a feature around "tentative" dates with a camera you have never held or learned how to use??

[Stephen Williams]

wow, you are going to schedule a feature around "tentative" dates with a camera you have never held or learned how to use??

Hi,

I am shooting a commercial using an F23 in 2 weeks time, I won't get a chance to touch the camera until the evening before the shoot! Having used most cameras on the market I don't expect any problems, if there are, I have film cameras ready to roll.

Stephen

[Häakon]

I ended up looking at Jim's schedule post again and saw something that I haven't seen anyone else comment on. Maybe I'm just extra tired tonight, but did anyone else think this is a bit funny? Pre-production cameras aren't good enough for the customers, but they're good enough to shoot a major motion picture?

Yes, I noticed... and made a comment about it on page 5. :-)

I'm just glad there is light at the end of the tunnel... I have so many plans for my RED already!

[Darren Orange]

What are thoughts after that schedule...will cameras be pretty much order and have in less then a week, or will only so many be released over a period of time? I ask because I am planing on going into filming a major feature starting about May.

[Adrian Correia]

What are thoughts after that schedule...will cameras be pretty much order and have in less then a week, or will only so many be released over a period of time? I ask because I am planing on going into filming a major feature starting about May.

would you want to risk not having it in May? Unless renting is an option for you. I would say just order it now....

[Mark L. Pederson]

We should all remember that beta units are going out.

There is ALWAYS a chance that a problem(s) will come to the surface that will PUSH BACK Jim' schedule.

I REALLY, REALLY hope that those BETAS do well!

But, it seems like everybody is already assuming this schedule is 100% -

Jim, what are NAMES of the beta units going out?

We should all WISH THEM WELL, BLESS THEM, SEND THEM POSITIVE ENERGY - ect. ect.

God Speed to the Betas!

[PaulClements]

I presume Jim has figured into his dates some time to consider feedback from the beta tests otherwise what would be the point.

I'll second the God Speed to the Betas though :) it'll be great to see movies produced that can be used as demonstrations for clients... they'd better be good!!!

[Mark B.]

Alright, I've gotta complain about one aspect of this launch schedule. I put in a reservation (two reservations actually) with the first bunch of reservation holders, during the October '06 deadline. My res numbers were assigned in the 700's, yet the 700's are being lumped into the December release with all of the late-arrival reservation holders who jumped in during the second go-round of '07.

So how about some lovin' for the guys that were in the first reservation batch, and nudge that November release cap up to #800.

[Gunleik Groven]

Hi Lowkus

I, too ordered in the first batch, and have #930...

I don't imply that I don't think you deserve yours earlier than me, though. Jyst as a FYI.

Cheers

Gunleik

[donatello b]

i say we just ship the first 1000 on the same day ...
then 1001-2000 on same date ..
then we don't ship 2001 -3000 till they are all sold ..
same with 3001-4000 ...
they have to ship 1000 at a time or nothing !!!
we can call it the 1k ship policy ???

[Gunleik Groven]

All with Donatello! -;)

Cheers!

Gunleik

[Dominique Grenier]

So how about some lovin' for the guys that were in the first reservation batch, and nudge that November release cap up to #800.

How 'bout they cap at #900? :whistling::biggrin:

[Gunleik Groven]

What 'bout #930? -;)

Hey. The good news is that everything is dishing out real well.
I have to admit I have been expecting the delay since somewhere around late December of last year (no, no disbelief, but just seeing how things kept on track... in a narrow way -;) Or so it seemed - I may be way off!

I was amazed about the NAB screening and preview of working Reds, but the nonincluded features 'cept for quick previews enabled by some of the staff - according to reports, more than hinted at a delay.

And so what?

We now get field-tested cameras, hopefully with implemented features due to the response from the beta-testers.

And the price is - thus far - untouched since the first announcement of a schedule.

I sincerely hope I'll have a Red by this time next year, and for the time being I think I might have one this December - but no way I'm selling off my other equipmentor or closing time-dependant deals with anyone - depending on Red, before I have a plain confirmation in my hand.

The only - little - frustration I have, is that I'd like to start market the camera a bit from August, and at the moment I'm a bit unsure how I can do that. I'll probably wait till Gibby has taken delivery -;)

Cheers!
And all the best to you hard workers!

Gunleik

[Ed Watkins]

Pre-production cameras aren't good enough for the customers, but they're good enough to shoot a major motion picture?

I saw this too, but it makes sense. Traditional 35mm film cameras in reality have just a start/ stop button, a lens and an eyepiece. Sound is recorded externally by a sound guy, exposure is metered, focus is measured ect. I guess a pre-production RED will do exactly what a standard 35mm film camera will do (maybe a bit more).

However, try shooting a doc or indie without the large support crew, and the labor saving modern bells and whistles (on camera sound, focus assist ect..) and it becomes more obvious why the limited feature set would work for a studio but maybe not an individual customer.


:mail1: my 2 cents

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Yeah, I agree Ed. Good points... It was late and having re-read the schedule post it just jumped out at me as somewhat ironic.

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

Yeah that makes sense. I mean they really take everything into consideration when shooting with film, everything is done manually, but for me if it makes sense I'd rather record audio right to the camera than have to buy a hard drive or DAT to record sound to separately and then bother with syncing it up in post. That is a huge pain in the butt and costs me more money.

[Milan Nikolic]

Thanks Jim I will receive mine as present for new year!

[falconking]

So If I want to get a camera for film production, and place my order now... when would I be getting my camera ?:blink:

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

My guess.... March 10th 2008, I booked mine September last year and will get it (hopefully) around November 10th this year, so you´ll be lucky to only wait 8 months... But it will be worth it!