Schedule Dates - what do they mean?

[roryhinds]

Could we please find out what the schedule dates mean.

Does the date mean that the quota cameras will

1) Start shipping on that date 1 at a time (how many per day)
2) The complete quota would have shipped by this date
3) The complete quota will ship on this date

Regards
Rory

[Ben Ponce]

Fair Question. Jim?

[Greg M]

:sarcasm: mine is scheduled to ship on Sept 15th, can you please let me know what time it is shipping, will it ship at 12:01am or not until 11am. I really dont wont to wait until 7pm for mine to get on the truck:sarcasm:

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

LOL, good point digitalfx, I mean what is the date supposed to mean? That's like a whole 24 hour period, even if we knew it was shipping on that exact day, or arriving on that exact day, there's still a lot of uncertainty there. ;)

I think people are a bit too keyed in on getting the date exact when I'm not sure that's where we are in the process right now. If the dates are relatively tentative, then just be happy with a general frame of reference. I was originally told my RED would be delivered in late 2007 or more likely early 2008. Then Friday I learned it would be around February 10 most likely, which to me was right in line with what I was expecting, and I was actually happy that it wasn't going to be like next summer. So that's good enough for me, if it's somewhere between late January and late February even, good enough ballpark figure.

[Luke Boyce]

Okay. I think you guys are reading too much into this question. We're not trying to get specifics here. We're not asking for the exact date and time of arrival. It's just that Jim's post is a little confusing. Even Mike Curtis was curious as to what it meant.

Basically, the question is. Do those dates refer to the approximate date of arrival or shipping?

For instance, I have RED #456. Now, when I look at the schedule I want to know whether it means that numbers 300-700 will start shipping on November 10th and take until around December 10th to be delivered or will they start shipping after October 10th and take until around November 10th to arrive. It's a legitimate question.

I'm not asking about the specific date and time or whatever. I realize that this is a speculative schedule and that you've got to take it with some grain of salt, but we're just wondering if the date's given are referring to the dates by which all of those units will have been received by or when they actually start shipping said units.

[Noah Kadner]

Each reservation holder's camera will arrive on the scheduled day via helicopter at precisely 4:59 pm, local time.

Noah

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

Now THAT'S service!

[Gunleik Groven]

I just knew that was the case.

Thanks Jim!

(... what one can indulge after freeing oneself from the burdens of oakley -;)

Gunleik

[Greg M]

Each reservation holder's camera will arrive on the scheduled day via helicopter at precisely 4:59 pm, local time.

Noah


Great, but is that local time from Red Headquarters or my local time?
I am shooting a feature that day and need to know now.

[Luke Boyce]

So should I just assume this question isn't going to be answered honestly? Cause it's been asked a few times and still not been answered.

[Greg M]

guys, I think you need to chill. The only one who might know the answer is Jim. He gave you a "tentative" schedule, I'm sure as soon as he knows the anwser you will be the first to know. Until then cut him some slack, he gave us a very nice estimated timeline, which is far more than most manufactures at this stage of production would provide.

[ChristopherKenworthy]

I agree that this needs to be answered. Whether these dates are tentative or not, they are utterly meaningless unless we know whether they are START dates or COMPLETION dates for shipping. This subject keeps getting brought up by reservation holders, is never answered by the Red team, and everybody else takes the piss. If Jim posted that list, I assume he wanted us to know roughly when our cameras might ship. That is not the case.

[Keith Alan Morris]

hope for the best, plan for the worst...

[David Mullen ASC]

I'm sure you are getting the best estimates from the RED team regarding shipping dates as is possible. Any more precision regarding the dates would probably require more guessing on their part, which is pointless if you need accuracy. You'll know more when they know more.

[Greg M]

Whether these dates are tentative or not, they are utterly meaningless unless we know whether they are START dates or COMPLETION dates for shipping.

You can always ask for a refund.

[ChristopherKenworthy]

Refund? Lovely joke digitalfx. And David, I quite agree that precision is not Red's aim, in terms of shipping. But it's a bit frustrating for this schedule to have a built-in ambiguity. I don't mind everything being tentative - that's what we're playing here - but I just wish I knew what my tentative date was. With Res 1408 I have no idea whether my tentative delivery date is mid-December or mid-January.

Regarding that refund you joked about. We all know that putting $1000 down for this miracle was no risk. The real risk we've all taken is planning, hoping and organising the future around the Red camera. So, a month makes a difference.

But as nobody's answering the question, I'll relax and assume that my Red One will be here before February, which will do fine thanks.

[Steven M. Bailey]

hope for the best, plan for the worst...

Pray for the best, expect the worst, then hope for nothing, and you'll never be disappointed.:wink:

Nobody knows anything more than what we know right now, and if They do, they aren't going to tell us. It would be irresponsible to say the least.

If Jim says they'll tentatively ship around December 10th I'm good till January. If Jim tells me it will be there on December 10th at 10AM, I will be seeing more than RED if it's not there by the 12th. That kind of anticipation and let down could kill a guy. Not that the red team wants to disappoint us, but we all know that crap happens. :calm:

Looks like I'll be looking toward Santa for my big red package.

Even Santa's late somtimes.

[Miltos Pilalitos]

So, a month makes a difference.

I agree with you 100% Christopher. My camera is in the same 500 group like yours and i also would like to know if the schedule's date means "Until that" or "After that".

I don't need to know the time or what kind of weather we will have at the moment the camera ships, but since this group will be likely shared between 2007 and 2008 it makes a huge difference to the way i will manage my taxes to know what this date means.

[Luke Boyce]

I'm sure you are getting the best estimates from the RED team regarding shipping dates as is possible. Any more precision regarding the dates would probably require more guessing on their part, which is pointless if you need accuracy. You'll know more when they know more.

No, okay. Let me try to explain this one more time. We're NOT asking for any more SPECIFIC details regarding shipping. I completely understand that they're tentative and I could not even possibly get mine till the beginning of next year. That is fully understood!

But the schedule that Jim presented is confusing in it's actual form. When Jim wrote those dates they HAD to mean something. Either dates that shipping for those particular units began or dates that shipping for those particular units completed. What did Jim mean by those dates? We're not asking for any EXTRA information here! We're asking for CLARIFICATION of something Jim already stated.

I think that people on this board are a little too scared about other people biting the hands that feed them, but that's not what this is. We're not whining about getting any MORE information. We just want clarification.

What do the dates mean. That's the question. It's a simple question. Jim knew it when he wrote them, he just didn't clarify enough what they meant specifically. No disrespect. Just an honest question.

[Mark L. Pederson]

But the schedule that Jim presented is confusing in it's actual form. When Jim wrote those dates they HAD to mean something. Either dates that shipping for those particular units began or dates that shipping for those particular units completed. What did Jim mean by those dates? We're not asking for any EXTRA information here! We're asking for CLARIFICATION of something Jim already stated.

I thought it was rather obvious that they were target shipping dates.

This would mean that the units would ship BEFORE the target date.

It does NOT say HOW MANY units will be shipped PER DAY, or PER WEEK - it's a tentative TARGET schedule, and in his own words, he's a bit gun-shy about posting it -

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that when they get to 200 units (or even 50) - most likely they will NOT SHIP on the SAME DAY -

Bottom line - you need to be thinking that your camera will ship AROUND such and such date - maybe a little BEFORE - maybe a little AFTER - and that ASSUMES no problems in the BETAS - and even though RED's suppliers are "committed" - doesn't mean they wont drop the ball - one supplier of one part doesn't deliver .... well ... another delay -

Expect more delays.

HOPE your camera(s) ship SOME DAY BEFORE the date Jim posted.

And again, GOD SPEED THE BETAS!

[Luke Boyce]

I thought it was rather obvious that they were target shipping dates.

This would mean that the units would ship BEFORE the target date.

It does NOT say HOW MANY units will be shipped PER DAY, or PER WEEK - it's a tentative TARGET schedule, and in his own words, he's a bit gun-shy about posting it -

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that when they get to 200 units (or even 50) - most likely they will NOT SHIP on the SAME DAY -

Bottom line - you need to be thinking that your camera will ship AROUND such and such date - maybe a little BEFORE - maybe a little AFTER - and that ASSUMES no problems in the BETAS - and even though RED's suppliers are "committed" - doesn't mean they wont drop the ball - one supplier of one part doesn't deliver .... well ... another delay -

Expect more delays.

HOPE your camera(s) ship SOME DAY BEFORE the date Jim posted.

And again, GOD SPEED THE BETAS!

I realize that not ALL the units will ship those days. My question is: I've got #456. The schedule states 300-700 - November 10th. Does that mean I should expect mine mid-to-late October or mid-to-late November (tentatively)? That's where I think the schedule is unclear. Again, I completely and totally realize that these dates are tentative. Whether it's October or November I fully realize that it could be neither! But I'm only asking REGARDING this schedule. I'm not putting anything in stone.

[Mark L. Pederson]

If I were you, I would think LATE October, and more realistically, EARLY November - assuming no further delays. Again, I am just guessing based on a tentative schedule - ANYTHING can happen. Isn't this fun?

[Greg M]

Wow ! !

[Adrian T.]

My question is: I've got #456. The schedule states 300-700 - November 10th. Does that mean I should expect mine mid-to-late October or mid-to-late November (tentatively)?

Assuming 6 workdays a week, 12 hour days, and a linear output, you can expect your RED to be shipped on Tuesday, October 23rd, at 2:22 p.m. sharp.

- tentatively, of course... :wink:

[Luke Boyce]

Assuming 6 workdays a week, 12 hour days, and a linear output, you can expect your RED to be shipped on Tuesday, October 23rd, at 2:22 p.m. sharp.

- tentatively, of course... :wink:

wow...totally unnecessary. That's completely NOT what I meant by the question.

[Ed Watkins]

wow...totally unnecessary. That's completely NOT what I meant by the question.

Everyone is wondering the same question about the schedule, and nobody knows the answer. We will have to wait until Jim enlightens us. A lot of people have tight shoots scheduled around the ball park release dates so are understandably nervous about the exact details, I know I am.

I think Big was just trying to lighten the mood.
:clown2:

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

Well, as long as my camera isn't 10 months late, then I think I'll be fine for the shoot I have scheduled. Tentatively, of course. ;)

[AshG]

Yikes people... what does it matter? Are you seriously going to book a gig with RED based on the exact ship date? Jim committed to come up with a schedule, and he did, admittedly sheepishly so. If you have reservation #XXX, they are currently planning on having your camera to you between XXXX date and XXXX date. How hard is that to comprehend?

If you have shoots scheduled around the release, cancel them or use another camera. I am sure Jim would agree that you should at least have a back-up plan. You'll know the EXACT date your camera is coming when you get a tracking number.



ash =o)

[Luke Boyce]

Everyone is wondering the same question about the schedule, and nobody knows the answer. We will have to wait until Jim enlightens us. A lot of people have tight shoots scheduled around the ball park release dates so are understandably nervous about the exact details, I know I am.

I think Big was just trying to lighten the mood.
:clown2:

Yeah, except I think I've stated 100 times now that I'm not worried about "exact dates" or specifications. This is not a matter of trying to figure out the closest details on shipping that I can because I have something to shoot. Yes, my company is shooting a documentary on the RED when we get it, but we're not that obsessed with knowing the date so we can schedule stuff. It's more like, we're just going to start shooting when it gets here, whenever that may be. My question is an honest and innocent question. I'm not trying to press Jim into giving us more specifics, cause I know he can't. That's not what I'm doing.

Hopefully, this is the last time I have to say this, but I'm just asking for a little more explanation on what his schedule meant cause it's somewhat vague. He listed some units and then listed a date. But what does that date refer to? That's all I'm asking. What does the date mean? Simple question. I'm not trying to be disrespectful or trying to ween more information out of Jim. I just want to know what those dates after the units are referring to. I think that's a pretty simple and honest question. I don't know why everybody is trying to subtly imply that I'm trying to squeeze more info or more specific details out of the RED team. That's just not what I'm doing, and maybe I'm getting a little too defensive here, but it's just a little frustrating when you continually get misunderstood. Especially since I really don't want Jim or anybody else in the RED team to think I'm trying to be disrespectful or unappreciative.

[Adrian T.]

Yeah, except I think I've stated 100 times now that I'm not worried about "exact dates" or specifications. This is not a matter of trying to figure out the closest details on shipping that I can because I have something to shoot. Yes, my company is shooting a documentary on the RED when we get it, but we're not that obsessed with knowing the date so we can schedule stuff. It's more like, we're just going to start shooting when it gets here, whenever that may be. My question is an honest and innocent question. I'm not trying to press Jim into giving us more specifics, cause I know he can't. That's not what I'm doing.

Hopefully, this is the last time I have to say this, but I'm just asking for a little more explanation on what his schedule meant cause it's somewhat vague. He listed some units and then listed a date. But what does that date refer to? That's all I'm asking. What does the date mean? Simple question. I'm not trying to be disrespectful or trying to ween more information out of Jim. I just want to know what those dates after the units are referring to. I think that's a pretty simple and honest question. I don't know why everybody is trying to subtly imply that I'm trying to squeeze more info or more specific details out of the RED team. That's just not what I'm doing, and maybe I'm getting a little too defensive here, but it's just a little frustrating when you continually get misunderstood. Especially since I really don't want Jim or anybody else in the RED team to think I'm trying to be disrespectful or unappreciative.

Cool down man! :) Nobody knows for sure. offhollywood gave you the most probable answer. But since the schedule is tentative, everything may change, not by days, but by weeks or even months. So be sure to have a backup plan ready for your project!

And yeah, I tried to lighten the mood here with my "calculation." :clown2:

[Ed Watkins]

It can a bit exciting wondering whether the cameras will be ready in time for projects. If they aren't then no dramas, we'll all chill and use a backup (nothing wrong with a nice Sony HDcam). Still we all like shiny new toys. :biggrin:

[Greg M]

Cool down man! :) Nobody knows for sure. offhollywood gave you the most probable answer. But since the schedule is tentative, everything may change, not by days, but by weeks or even months. So be sure to have a backup plan ready for your project!

And yeah, I tried to lighten the mood here with my "calculation." :clown2:

Yes, but your calculations are way off...The reason Jim sold Oakley was to build a slave labor camp in another country employing mostly children. This will allow him to have shifts 7 days a week, 20 hours a day. How did you think he was going to sell a $100k camera for $17.5 k?

Please revise your timeline based on this schedule.

[Craig Schober]

Yeah, except I think I've stated 100 times now that I'm not worried about "exact dates" or specifications. This is not a matter of trying to figure out the closest details on shipping that I can because I have something to shoot. Yes, my company is shooting a documentary on the RED when we get it, but we're not that obsessed with knowing the date so we can schedule stuff. It's more like, we're just going to start shooting when it gets here, whenever that may be. My question is an honest and innocent question. I'm not trying to press Jim into giving us more specifics, cause I know he can't. That's not what I'm doing.

Hopefully, this is the last time I have to say this, but I'm just asking for a little more explanation on what his schedule meant cause it's somewhat vague. He listed some units and then listed a date. But what does that date refer to? That's all I'm asking. What does the date mean? Simple question. I'm not trying to be disrespectful or trying to ween more information out of Jim. I just want to know what those dates after the units are referring to. I think that's a pretty simple and honest question. I don't know why everybody is trying to subtly imply that I'm trying to squeeze more info or more specific details out of the RED team. That's just not what I'm doing, and maybe I'm getting a little too defensive here, but it's just a little frustrating when you continually get misunderstood. Especially since I really don't want Jim or anybody else in the RED team to think I'm trying to be disrespectful or unappreciative.

just put yourself in jim's shoes. if you were burnt by component suppliers and a few unforseen but understandable board glitches, why would you try to clarify shipping dates that you yourself don't trust 100%? while some here may see it differently, jim is not god so he can't predict how smooth the last 5% goes. if i was jim, i'd set the dates and add 2 months to everything for a time cushion. now that might be what you want but it's no more the truth than the vague/confusing release schedule we're looking at.

[Luke Boyce]

just put yourself in jim's shoes. if you were burnt by component suppliers and a few unforseen but understandable board glitches, why would you try to clarify shipping dates that you yourself don't trust 100%? while some here may see it differently, jim is not god so he can't predict how smooth the last 5% goes. if i was jim, i'd set the dates and add 2 months to everything for a time cushion. now that might be what you want but it's no more the truth than the vague/confusing release schedule we're looking at.

Okay, is it that hard to understand? I feel like I've been as clear as possible, but nobody here seems to understand my question! It's honestly not that hard to understand. Really.

Jim says: "Serial Numbers-Date (number of Units)"

Okay. All I'm asking is what is that date for? What does he mean? Date of what? How is that so hard to understand? I'm not cracking some whip and going "Dammit, Jim, I need to know the exact date and time I'm getting this camera!" No! I don't even give a rat's ass about the that. Seriously. This has nothing to do with any extra information other than Jim's original intention upon writing that schedule.

Here it is again: When he posted that "Date" - what does the date refer to?

That is my simple, respectful, honest question that I would like to know.

[Adrian T.]

Here it is again: When he posted that "Date" - what does the date refer to?

The target date? :sarcasm:

[Matt Redmond]

That is my simple, respectful, honest question that I would like to know.

in other words do the dates represent:
1) bulk shipping dates
2) Will begin shipping x number of listed units from this date, to be completed sometime before the next shipping date.

Even though Jim listed this as a tentative schedule, it's still a schedule and something to plug into your own tentative schedule.

Example:
Serial numbers 51-100 September 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-300 October 10th (200 units)


If you owned camera #100 (and if schedule is relatively accurate at this stage), do you expect yours to be shipped in bulk on September 15th, or a staggered shipping schedule to receive it shortly before October 10th.

That's almost a months difference. A month is a long time, especially if you're planning a shoot. One month could mean a shorter preparation time to sort out bugs, one month could mean loosing an actor.

Granted it's a tentative schedule. Jim says he's not willing to commit to it 100%, but he's still committed I'm sure - so I understand where you're coming from, and I'm sure Jim is too.

[Luke Boyce]

The target date? :sarcasm:

Yeah, but the target of what? When those number of units begin shipping? When those number of units should generally be shipped by? See my confusion yet?

[Adrian T.]

Example:
Serial numbers 51-100 September 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-300 October 10th (200 units)


If you owned camera #100 (and if schedule is relatively accurate at this stage), do you expect yours to be shipped in bulk on September 15th, or a staggered shipping schedule to receive it shortly before October 10th.

The target date for #100 would be September 15th. That's how I see it. But it's all tentative, so please don't count on it!

[Luke Boyce]

in other words do the dates represent:
1) bulk shipping dates
2) Will begin shipping x number of listed units from this date, to be completed sometime before the next shipping date.

Even though Jim listed this as a tentative schedule, it's still a schedule and something to plug into your own tentative schedule.

Example:
Serial numbers 51-100 September 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-300 October 10th (200 units)


If you owned camera #100 (and if schedule is relatively accurate at this stage), do you expect yours to be shipped in bulk on September 15th, or a staggered shipping schedule to receive it shortly before October 10th.

That's almost a months difference. A month is a long time, especially if you're planning a shoot. One month could mean a shorter preparation time to sort out bugs, one month could mean loosing an actor.

Granted it's a tentative schedule. Jim says he's not willing to commit to it 100%, but he's still committed I'm sure - so I understand where you're coming from, and I'm sure Jim is too.

YES!!!!!! THANK YOU!!! Phew.

[Adrian T.]

Yeah, but the target of what? When those number of units begin shipping? When those number of units should generally be shipped by? See my confusion yet?

When those number of units should generally be shipped by. Anything else doesn't make sense.

But again, it's a tentative schedule. So don't plan on shooting with the RED One without any backup plan!

[Luke Boyce]

When those number of units should generally be shipped by. Anything else doesn't make sense.

But again, it's a tentative schedule. So don't plan on shooting with the RED One without any backup plan!

Why would it not make sense that that could be the date that those units begin shipping?

[Adrian T.]

Why would it not make sense that that could be the date that those units begin shipping?

Because Jim doesn't plan the shipment, he plans the production of the cameras. And target dates in production are always meant to be the finish line.

[OwenR]

Realisation......

Wed planned to rent to shoot in October 2007....

But i wouldnt advise on planning shooting anything Red until......2008.....

And because so many red rental houses/places dont have any alternative to offer.......

Everyone has delays for x reasons....

[Luke Boyce]

Because Jim doesn't plan the shipment, he plans the production of the cameras. And target dates in production are always meant to be the finish line.

See, now that's something I wasn't aware of and would have totally helped in understanding this schedule. Someone could have just mentioned that awhile ago instead of lightly accusing me of trying to force more info out of Jim.

[SF Geek]

Iboyce, Don't make any plans by this tentative shipping schedule. That's the main point. You shouldn't go by this schedule because anything could happen. The camera has just been retooled and is out being tested. There could be any number of unforseen issues. Remember that it's Red's first camera. If you plan on starting your documentary this fall, then you better plan on using a different camera.

[Luke Boyce]

Iboyce, Don't make any plans by this tentative shipping schedule. That's the main point. You shouldn't go by this schedule because anything could happen. The camera has just been retooled and is out being tested. There could be any number of unforseen issues. Remember that it's Red's first camera. If you plan on starting your documentary this fall, then you better plan on using a different camera.

I've already stated that my inquiry isn't about solidifying a date. I mentioned previously that our planned start date for our doc is basically whenever we get the RED, whether that be fall, winter or even spring next year. I'm not really worried about it. No plans are being made. Just wanted clarification. I stated that at the beginning.

[ChristopherKenworthy]

I think, after all this discussion, and Jim's silence we have to assume that the latest schedule was meant to be really, really vague and has an inbuilt ambiguity. Otherwise it would have been really easy for Jim or somebody else to say "the listed date is a tentative START date" or "the listed date is a tentative COMPLETION date" for a given batch. They haven't said anything, so they must want it to remain ambiguous by a month. As well as tentative. And if that makes them happy, great. Tentative, ambiguous shipping dates must make them feel a lot safer. My solution - look at the date attached to my batch and add two months. I feel safer that way. Not happier, but safer.

[Brook Willard]

Because Jim doesn't plan the shipment, he plans the production of the cameras. And target dates in production are always meant to be the finish line.


See, now that's something I wasn't aware of and would have totally helped in understanding this schedule. Someone could have just mentioned that awhile ago instead of lightly accusing me of trying to force more info out of Jim.

I think we ought to let Jim speak for himself.

[ChristopherKenworthy]

I think we ought to let Jim speak for himself.

But he isn't doing. Which is what makes me think vague dates are all part of his big plan to get the cameras to us a month earlier than we expected. It's bed time where I live, so I can dream.

[HD Hildebrand]

Assuming 6 workdays a week, 12 hour days, and a linear output, you can expect your RED to be shipped on Tuesday, October 23rd, at 2:22 p.m. sharp.

- tentatively, of course... :wink:

Wow, Big Lebowski, I like your precise calculations. Could you figure that out for Camera #423 - this way I could have the set fully lit and rehearsals timed to the last nanosecond. Also, if I work it out with FedEx I may also be able to get the aerial shot as the camera is coming in for a landing.

[Rob Powell]

Assuming there are no major issues in the beta tests, the schedule will only have real meaning after the first 100-200 units come off the line. By then the process will be rolling and the QC verified. If Red delivers the first 200 on-time, the rest of the schedule will probably be pretty accurate.

I don't think bugging Jim to elaborate the semantics of each word of his schedule post is really going to supply any meaningful emotional comfort.

RA

[Michael Hastings]

guys, I think you need to chill. The only one who might know the answer is Jim. He gave you a "tentative" schedule, I'm sure as soon as he knows the anwser you will be the first to know. Until then cut him some slack, he gave us a very nice estimated timeline, which is far more than most manufactures at this stage of production would provide.


Could we please find out what the schedule dates mean.

Does the date mean that the quota cameras will

1) Start shipping on that date 1 at a time (how many per day)
2) The complete quota would have shipped by this date
3) The complete quota will ship on this date

Regards
Rory


So should I just assume this question isn't going to be answered honestly? Cause it's been asked a few times and still not been answered.


No, okay. Let me try to explain this one more time. We're NOT asking for any more SPECIFIC details regarding shipping. I completely understand that they're tentative and I could not even possibly get mine till the beginning of next year. That is fully understood!

But the schedule that Jim presented is confusing in it's actual form. When Jim wrote those dates they HAD to mean something. Either dates that shipping for those particular units began or dates that shipping for those particular units completed. What did Jim mean by those dates? We're not asking for any EXTRA information here! We're asking for CLARIFICATION of something Jim already stated.

I think that people on this board are a little too scared about other people biting the hands that feed them, but that's not what this is. We're not whining about getting any MORE information. We just want clarification.

What do the dates mean. That's the question. It's a simple question. Jim knew it when he wrote them, he just didn't clarify enough what they meant specifically. No disrespect. Just an honest question.

As a manufacturer myself I know that there are a lot of unreasonable questions on this board. But I don't think this is one of them. As lboyce says this is just a clarification. We all know that dates are tentative but for instance I am #206 so given Jim's range of 100-300 or October 10th it wouldn't be unreasonable to make some projections if they do they previous two releases as scheduled (or even do some refiguring based on whenever they do ship the first two releases). It would make a significant difference if they are assembling themselves and QC/shipping happens as completed throughout the month - or if they are being assembled/packaged elsewhere and they receive them as a bulk shipment to be shipped out essentially as one group.

To further amplify, I was told at NAB that RED is not doing their own CNC machining of the main body. This surprised me a bit given the volume of cameras already ordered and their fairly close proximity to Haas Automation - a major manufacturer of CNC machining centers - and since for example all of the makers of underwater cases such as Light and Motion, Gates, AquaVideo, Amphibico, etc. do their own CNC machining. (Take a look at a Light&Motion or Amphibico housing and see how similar it is to a RED body in terms of machining). And these companies are much lower volume, with lesser resources than RED.

If this is the case then it is more likely that RED will get a substantial number of bodies at one time rather than a continuous flow, and it may mean it is more likely that they are subcontracting assembly, again meaning bulk shipments rather than continuous flow.

My point is: I don't think it is an unreasonable question, and communication could be served by simply answering or (and this would be reasonable too) just saying that he would rather not answer that. There were multiple posts regarding this on the original schedule thread and now an entire thread. It seems that even a response of "I prefer no comment" would be better than no response at all.



I don't think bugging Jim to elaborate the semantics of each word of his schedule post is really going to supply any meaningful emotional comfort.

RA

No, but it might put this thread/discussion to rest.

[Michael Hastings]

bump..

[Mark L. Pederson]

No, but it might put this thread/discussion to rest.

Or ... a moderator could just lock this one down ... it's a yawn fest.

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

*crickets*

*yawn*

[Brook Willard]

If you guys are done talking, stop talking. :)

[Adrian Correia]

yes....right....now.