Macro lens matching Cooke S4s?

[XiaoSu Han]

Hi

has someone ever tested that out?

if you shoot S4s, which macro lens would you take as Cooke does not make macro lenses as far as I know? I know they have a very close focus but it's still not enough.

Anyone?

thanks.

[Steve Gal]

I know how to make the S4's shoot close focus.

[XiaoSu Han]

Well that's nice but I'd like to be a bit closer, close to 1:1. Would the S4 be able to do that?

cheers, Xax

[Steve Gal]

Yes it can.

[albert rudnicki]

flip the lens, and it'll give you a beautiful macro.

[XiaoSu Han]

is there a special mount for that?

wouldn't want to beautifully handheld the pseudo-macro lens :(

[Steve Gal]

That seems hard to do to flip the lens. How would you mount it?

[gdv]

The Cooke S4 135mm is a macro.
You can put a 4.5 diopter in front of any of the lenses.
You can flip the lens (reverse it) but I do not know of any mount for it.

[Steve Gal]

I have taken the PL intermediate mount from the PS Technik mini 35 and mounted it first on the camera and then mounted the lens. Very effective close-up extension tube. Works on all lenses.

[XiaoSu Han]

very interesting. guess we're lucky that we have that mini35 pl mount as well.

thanks for the tip!

and also thanks for the reminders of using diopters etc.

the last time we had to use macro we used a 200mm zeiss macro lens but this time we wanted to use the same lenses for macro work as well.

cheers, xax

[Harry Clark]

I've often wondered why we in the motion picture business do not use extenders for macro work. They are quite effective. It would be interesting to have, say, three different thicknesses in a set for different ranges of macro work.
Steve, good. tip. I still have my Mini-35. I never bothered to look that closely, but you're saying that the mount that mounts the PL is also a PL? Weird...
Cheers,
Harry

[Jarred Land]

I've often wondered why we in the motion picture business do not use extenders for macro work.

I actually do all the time.... on Franky we have a "super" version of the adjustable PL with an inch of travel so I can dial in as needed. This is how I shot the Mr. T shot :)

[Michael Lindsay]

There are a few PL extension tubes out there.. They start at about 25mm. Unfortunately it seems too difficult to build slimmer tubes due to the mount. Before I aquired the Masterdiopters I tried to get 3 extension tubes made.

There are a number of reason to prefer extension tubes to Diopters (there are also reasons to favour of Diopters).

I have for minor macro work used the standard PL mount adjustment on the Red (As Jarred suggested) and it works well, albeit with extension limitations.

If anyone considered making extension tubes for PL (and found a way to get down to 10-15mm I would be interested.

I think Motion guys are not as keen on tubes due to the unmarked stop loss. Diopters don't have this.

kind regards

Michael L

[Steve Gal]

There are a few PL extension tubes out there.. They start at about 25mm. Unfortunately it seems too difficult to build slimmer tubes due to the mount. Before I aquired the Masterdiopters I tried to get 3 extension tubes made.

There are a number of reason to prefer extension tubes to Diopters (there are also reasons to favour of Diopters).

I have for minor macro work used the standard PL mount adjustment on the Red (As Jarred suggested) and it works well, albeit with extension limitations.

If anyone considered making extension tubes for PL (and found a way to get down to 10-15mm I would be interested.

I think Motion guys are not as keen on tubes due to the unmarked stop loss. Diopters don't have this.

kind regards

Michael L

Who is making the PL extension tubes. I have never seen them before. I don't see the stop loss marks being a problem on Red but each tube can be marked with it's stop loss factor. The auto compensating macro lenses are great but don't see needing that most of the time.

[Michael Lindsay]

I don't know who made them originally... but I knew somebody who had some for sale (the small one was too fat for me)

Do you want to buy? PM your email to me and I'll forward it to the guy who had some...

Your right he stop loss don't matter for Red... but film is obviously different.

I love tubes with stills cameras... so maybe Red might consider (since they are macro fans) making a set (12,25,35mm would be ideal)

Michael L

[chuck colburn]

I think I mentioned this before. You can mount a second lens in front of your prime (or zoom) lens to achieve a macro focus. This has an advantage over using exstension tubes or diopters as it gives you more working distance between the lens and the subject. I use to use large format lenses for this purpose such as the old Aero Ektars by Kodak made for 9"x9" roll film aerial cameras. Another good choice is process lenses used on stat cameras. Long focale lengths are required as you need big diameter glass to avoid vingetting (sp.) on the taking lens. Something around 9" to 14" in focale length is good.

Like this....

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-15-F9-ILEX-PROCESS-PARAGON-GREAT-PRICE_W0QQitemZ270176664462QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCame ra_Lenses?hash=item3ee7c8bb8e&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

Or this....

http://cgi.ebay.com/760mm-f11-NIKON-APO-NIKKOR-for-ULF_W0QQitemZ220360947200QQihZ012QQcategoryZ15248Q QcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

Another point is that the front lens does not need and iris in it to work in this application. Although one can be used.