Vegas

[Jarred Land]

props to the Vegas team for creating stellar R3D support in Vegas 9... i encourage you all to check it out.

[Roberto Lequeux]

U rock Jarred! :beer:

[Mark Holmes]

props to the Vegas team for creating stellar R3D support in Vegas 9... i encourage you all to check it out.

Thanks for adding a Vegas spot in the RedUSER forums for our favorite NLE, Jarred. Props back at you!

[J Clark]

We love Vegas!

[Richard Andrewski]

I do like V9 a lot. Much smoother and bug free than previous one was...

[Brian Kaz]

I just can't get over the fact that I'm editing, coloring & exporting my Red footage how I want to - without jumping through a dozen hoops to get there. It's been a LOOOONG time coming.

64bit has been rock solid. And in 32bit, using the Magic Bullet looks editor along with all the other CC tools is producing unbelievable results.

[Norm Sanders]

LOVE the editing ability of this trial version of Vegas 9.0, with the RED footage (just got done directing a couple of projects the past two weekends, and was asked to see if I could edit the footage - coincidentally about the day Sony released Vegas 9!)....

However, I can't render it to save my life now. Keeps saying nearly half way through a render (I've tried WMV, AVI, MOV) that system resources are unavailable, and that my memory is too low. When I go to begin rendering, it's using about 2GB of memory, with each of the cores (quad core processor) averaging around 25% usage .... I come back, and I see this error message, with the GB now reading at 6.2 usage, which is nuts!

I'm running a quad core Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz, with 4GB of ram, even though Windows XP 32bit only recognizes 3GB worth.

Not sure what to do from this point ... looks like my hands are locked, and not sure I want to purchase the software just yet, if I'm having problems with the demo on render.

[jbeale]

Vegas works ok for me on a lowly Core2 Duo system. I don't fully understand all the ins and outs of the R3D decoding, but it works with no "show-stopping" problems thus far. Note: if you are trying to use Vegas, by all means stop over at the Sony Vegas forums also, there's a lot more Vegas info there than there is here.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowTopics.asp?ForumID=4

[tomapete]

i dont have Red, and never will, but just for kicks i downloaded some r3d file, set the project to 4K and dropped the footage on Vegas9 timeline I have 3 y/o HP laptop, underpowered and all, but the 4K footage played well up to the good/auto setting. Even after applying some curve, saturation and contrast i didnt notice any degradation in playback speed/quality. Then i applied Defocus and Glint and that of course did it. But these FX are heavy hitters, in the MB movie looks league. So yeah, Vegas didnt do well here on the playback, as expected thou. I ended up rendering these few sec out as mov file and WMV, all as 1080 24p and it also went well.
So basically if you dont use FX that seriously move pixels around then your playback is smooth.

[Jarred Land]

Vegas has always had a very special place in my heart... I started out on Vegas back in the day, and they always have implemented new technologies very well ( remember 24pA? ).

To me it just works the way I like to work. The way they have supported the R3D format, specially on their first attempt, is pretty impressive.

The Vegas team has always been incredibly responsive to me the customer ( even when I was a young punk nobody) and it's something I will never forget.

[jbeale]

Hi Jarred, not that I'm asking you for Vegas product support (ok, I am...) have you played much with R3Ds in Vegas? Do you know how to render out a file smaller than 4096 pixels across and still maintain maximum quality out of the raw (eg. full debayer)? When I render R3D in Vegas out to a smallish format (eg 640 pixels across) it renders about 10 fps on my measly Core2 Duo (even with project at max quality) meaning it must be using a lower-resolution proxy, and the output looks like it too. When I ask for 4k still frame export, it takes several seconds per frame, and I get the quality I expect from the full process.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Vegas has always had a very special place in my heart... I started out on Vegas back in the day, and they always have implemented new technologies very well ( remember 24pA? ).

To me it just works the way I like to work. The way they have supported the R3D format, specially on their first attempt, is pretty impressive.

Well said.

[Jason Burkhimer]

Yep. Used it since Sonic Foundry Vegas Video 2.0. Very slick and easy to use. Was very stoked(and surprised) when I got the email saing native RED support in Vegas 9. Now I HAVE to buy a Scarlet. Doh!:)

[Kyle Mallory]

The Vegas team has always been incredibly responsive to me the customer ( even when I was a young punk nobody) and it's something I will never forget.

Jarred, as the dark demi-god of THE most bitch'n camera company in the world today, who has the most awesome job in the world, expect next to Jim himself, I still think of you as a young noboby punk. But I say that with the greatest of respect, from one young noboby punk to another. :beer:

[donatello b]

"the 4K footage played well up to the good/auto setting. Even after applying some curve, saturation and contrast i didnt notice any degradation in playback speed/quality"

Vegas playback defaults to "auto adjust size & quality for optimal playback" , so you might select GOOD -auto but it will switch to (guessing for a laptop) Preview auto ( 1/4) .. after you select the good -auto ..hit play and see if it changes to preview auto then when you hit STOP it will switch back to good auto ...
if you want to change this .. right click in the middle of the Vegas preveiw window and uncheck adjust size & quality ..

[tomapete]

donatello,
I thought i changed the playback settings just as you described.
I have a question though, can you render out 4K?

[donatello b]

i have no codec installed at the moment that will render to 4k ...
i haven't tried uncompressed ??

i see when i try to render out to HD.avi i can't because it uses cineform and it says no license so i'm beginning to think that the trial version doesn't let you use cineform and guessing when you get your V9 serial number based on the difference flavors of cineform it will only do 1920x1080 with Vegas unless you buy the cineform 4k software ( just guessing ??)

i do have a 4k to blu ray rendering at the moment ...
also haven't tried DPX etc ...

[Joe Carney]

When I was a NAB, Douglas Spotted Eagle said VASST was looking into creating something similar to Gearshift to do R3D proxies.

[Emiel Labree]

Ok. So i have Vegas Pro 9.0c (Build895) 64-bit. Vegas recognizes R3D-files, but when i drag them into the timeline the preview window shows only black. With play or just positioning on a specific frame.

I don't know which build. Just downloaded a R3D file from Scarletuser for testing. Running on an i5 720 6gb ram with GT220 1gb videocard.

What am i not doing right?

[Miguel "Macgregor" De Olaso]

That´s weird. Vegas is rock solid with R3ds, so far no other program handles R3ds so well. Drag in the timeline, edit, apply filters in 32bits and render. Easy.

[Emiel Labree]

It is showing the frames in the timeline. Just no playback. I don't own a Red and didn't install any codec. Which i guess shouldn't be necessary when i installed Vegas. But perhaps i'm overlooking something. Anyone?

And it renders black too.

[Emiel Labree]

BTW, same problem in Redcine-X. When browsing to the directory to R3D-files it shows the file with the first image. But when i cross it with my cursos, it turns black. Also i only see black when playback. In the timeline i see the frames.

So it might not be Vegas.

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Have you installed the latest GPU drivers?

[Emiel Labree]

I'll check. Just bought this PC two days ago. Thought it would have the latest drives, but i might be wrong.

[donatello b]

drop a avi clip into the Vegas TL to make sure the Preview screen is working ...if not working then in Vegas explorer highlight clip then right click =choose open in trimmer ... report back to let us know if it plays in preview monitor ....

[Emiel Labree]

drop a avi clip into the Vegas TL to make sure the Preview screen is working ...if not working then in Vegas explorer highlight clip then right click =choose open in trimmer ... report back to let us know if it plays in preview monitor ....

It plays AVI, m2t, h264, mov, etc. no problems.

When opened in trimmer, it plays one second and then goes to black.

I went to File Format Properties and selected Clip Default. Then it played the file one time in the preview window. When i wanted to play again Vegas crashed.

Now i see that Clip Default became a standard. After loading a clip and changing it back to Factory Default, the images in the timeline become red and it plays black again. And crashed after trying it a couple of times.

I downloaded the latest GPU drivers. No change.

[David Birdy]

If you are having success with Vegas pro 9 using R3D's please list your system..

I missed the fact that the new release allowed native R3D support up to 4K..

Thanks
Dave

[donatello b]

Dell 420 ,quad 6600 , 8gig ram , vista 64bit , 8800 nvidia ...
edit using either 32 or 64bit Vegas 9 ( some plugins i have will not work with 64bit Vegas)
can edit/playback up to 4k .... i have never tried 4.5k ??

[vincelucero]

Been a fan of Vegas from back in the day on V4 even when I had access to Avid or FCP. Vegas always seemed faster and more intuitive to me. Excellent audio tools. The R3D playback and color features are excellent.

[Emiel Labree]

Does anyone have, or knows where i can download, a very recent r3d file?

[Brian Kaz]

4.5k R3D editing works fine (limited to 4k project size).

I have noticed that each time I updated my Nvidia drivers, I got a different glitch. Once, I had a small # of footage go black randomly during playback like discussed above(all shot on older builds without new color science). I updated the video drivers and it went away, but it introduced a new glitch where playback would randomly flash a full 4k size in my 1k preview (which would sometimes show up in my 1080p renders). Again, this was on a small amount of footage with older builds.

[John Bannister]

There is something naturally intuitive about editing in Vegas. I have used the program since I purchased my Sony DCR-SR100 four years ago.

I have owned Adobe Premier for about the same amount of time, in fact the first promo Video I ever did was edited in APP as it offered some plugins that at the time that were not available in Vegas. I find with the release of Vegas 9.0c however that the gap is closing quickly.

For me, the work-flow in Vegas seems effortless, masking and color correction tasks are simple and straightforward and i find the 64Bit version smooth and powerful. True I am not shooting or compiling 4K footage on a REDONE but I have seen nothing to date with Vegas that would suggest that it would not be up to the task, other than higher system resources.

My Station is Basic compared many on this forum, I run the AMD Phenom II 965 Quadcore Black Edition Processor OC'd to 4.0 Ghz. The system has 6Gb of DDR 3 1600 Ram and I utilize a pair of Crossfired ATI HD5850 GPU's. I originally ran only one HD 5850, and Vegas worked seamlessly with that, the only reason for adding the extra card was for gaming purposes. My OP is Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit Edition.

Something that did suprise me however was the performance increase I discovered with faster drives. I originally had four 5400 WD 250gb drives that I used to download and raid footage onto, but around a year ago I upgraded those to four VelociRaptor 10,000 300gb drives, the increase in speed was evident immediately.

I enjoy Vegas a great deal, I will continue to learn AdobePP as I am sure I am doing the application a great injustice by not sticking with it, but for me Vegas is the path ..at least for now.

[Daniel Linn White]

LOVE the editing ability of this trial version of Vegas 9.0, with the RED footage (just got done directing a couple of projects the past two weekends, and was asked to see if I could edit the footage - coincidentally about the day Sony released Vegas 9!)....

However, I can't render it to save my life now. Keeps saying nearly half way through a render (I've tried WMV, AVI, MOV) that system resources are unavailable, and that my memory is too low. When I go to begin rendering, it's using about 2GB of memory, with each of the cores (quad core processor) averaging around 25% usage .... I come back, and I see this error message, with the GB now reading at 6.2 usage, which is nuts!

I'm running a quad core Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz, with 4GB of ram, even though Windows XP 32bit only recognizes 3GB worth.

Not sure what to do from this point ... looks like my hands are locked, and not sure I want to purchase the software just yet, if I'm having problems with the demo on render.
Norm: I actually ran into a similar problem on the film I just completed. I kept trying to render out each reel of the film to .dpx and right around the 8000 frame mark, I would get the same memory error. Frustrating to say the least as it would take about 8-10 hours before the system would choke.

Nonetheless, the work around I ended up doing was to limit my renders to 7500 frame "chunks" and then doing a bulk file rename to get a contiguous frame sequence. A bit annoying, but considering I still managed to deliver all five reels to Efilm without a hitch essentially cost free, it's pretty cool.

[Keith Stark]

Ever try this>>> <http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=647907>

Just a suggestion...