Need a 4k OnSet Preivew ? - Check this out !

[Manuel Wenger]

http://www.astrodesign.co.jp/english/product/goods.asp?code=DM-3400

Sounds promising ;)
Will see it on Thursday at a Demo, price is about 3 RED One Cameras.

regards
Manuel Wenger

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Here come the new ~4K displays. I'm betting this uses the 56" QWUXGA panel that LG demoed last year. But I suppose it could be a different manufacturer. I'm still holding out for a something with a full 4096+ pixel horizontal in a 42" package so it can replace my dual 30" screens. :)

Sorry for the move, but I'm putting it in OT... Only because that's where all the other new product press has been going lately. We probably need an industry news forum here.

[PaulClements]

I'm still holding out for a something with a full 4096+ pixel horizontal in a 42" package so it can replace my dual 30" screens. :)

The irony is that these new displays will likely all be very big. It'll take finer sq. micron pixels to make the smaller screens.

These larger ones seem to be essentially 4x1080p monitors as far as I can see.

Perhaps they are the similar panels used in Apples 23" x 4.

They should stick 4 30" panels together with seemless splits and sell a 60" 5k monitor.

[Tom Lowe]

I knew this was coming sooner than most people thought. I remember peeps on DVXUser saying it was going to be "8 to 10 years" before 4K LCDs hit the market... :)

[Hrvoje Simic]

I belive this one uses a CMO panel.

3840X2160,
8 bit colour,
Luminance: 600,
Contrast: 1000:1
Response time: 8ms
Colour saturation 75% NTSC


I'll be interested when LED comes to this baby, but at this point I would rather take 10 bit 1080p plasma or new 10 bit 1080p LED LCD's with ~95 % NTSC colour range (coming out this year), but if it's only the resolution you're after...

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I knew this was coming sooner than most people thought. I remember peeps on DVXUser saying it was going to be "8 to 10 years" before 4K LCDs hit the market... :)

In the consumer TV market, 8 to 10 years probably isn't such a bad guess. But for computer displays, commercial products, A/V systems, production monitors, etc... 4K is just around the corner. Technically, this one is only 3.8K.

Paul, Samsung demonstrated a 46" 4096x2560 panel last november as well as a 52" at the same resolution. LG has a 38" 3840x2400 in their line-up too. So they don't all have to be this big. Remember, the first QWUXGA (3840x2400) panel on the market was the 22" (yes, 22 inches) Hitachi that found it's way into the IBM / ViewSonic display. Just like this one from Astro, it had 4 DVI inputs, but no SDI.

My question is though... Why 4xDVI? Why not just 2xDVI-DL??? Or perhaps they're just trying to maximize flexibility for use as a multi-source monitor. It's easy to split DVI-DL to into two single DVI connections with the proper inexpensive adapters, but not so easy to combine single DVI interfaces.

[Tom Lowe]

4K will probably be restricted to a pretty elite few for the next couple of years, but once consumers get a taste of it, all bets are off. It could come a lot faster than 8 or 10 years, especially if you consider that a lot of people are watching their content on their computers. If you have a PC powering your 4K display, suddenly 1080p is going to seem like SD, and the only question left will be: "Where can I get 4K content?" I predict this will happen much sooner than anyone would have thought even a year ago.

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

I've seen how on set a lot of these really expensive but incredibly ghetto looking monitors are used that are often very expensive. Is there a need to get something like that or could one get a really nice LCD 1080p monitor for on-set viewing? I mean is there something fundamentally wrong with the way it will display colors, compared to what you want to see, or what is up with that? Just wondering if I could get a nice reference monitor that wasn't made specifically for the film industry that would show RED footage well enough so you knew what you were looking at and going to get...

I saw some on-set monitors that looked really crappy to me going for like $30,000, I don't really understand that, I guess it must have to do with the closeness of the colors to what you're really shooting, or something.

[casey warren]

I think these companies should focus on presenting more realistic images with more dynamic range than putting all their work into making higher res displays. Honestly, the majority of HDTV's....the image looks like crap compared to when you see slide film prjected at the same size...I mean the dynamic range makes all the difference. The colors flow smoothly and the brights dont clip out.

I would rather have a HDTV with incredibly high dynamic range than a 4k monitor with the same look as what we see now in most comsumer and many pro monitors.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I saw some on-set monitors that looked really crappy to me going for like $30,000, I don't really understand that, I guess it must have to do with the closeness of the colors to what you're really shooting, or something.

In most cases, these pro studio monitors use the exact same LCD panels and backlight systems used by consumer display models. The advantages to using a pro monitor usually include built-in scopes and other tools for image analysis and they don't have internal image processors that alter or try to improve/sharpen the image. They present it exactly the way represented by the incoming video signal.

Why are they so expensive? Mostly due to niche market economics and the fact that like most everything else in this industry, equipment makers overcharge.

You could most certainly get away with a common HDTV as a client monitor or video village display. But for a studio monitor being used on set, one with extra abilities and no internal image butchering can be nice. I plan to have both the RED LCD and the EVF with my camera. Additional monitoring will be for client purposes and I'll set up a nice 1080p LCD or DLP for that.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I think these companies should focus on presenting more realistic images with more dynamic range than putting all their work into making higher res displays.

I agree 113%