HOw far can the brain be away fm the recorder

[tj williams]

There are several applications I'm interested in where separating the Epic Brain from the breakout and recorder part of the camer will be advantageous! Any word on wheather there will be a cable and how long it could be???

[JohnF]

I echo this question! I've got the same requirement.

Will this cable be a chunky, not-to-flexible multicore, a coax or maybe fibre optic(plus power)?

JohnF

[James T Mather]

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/080408_Jessica-Simpson_widec%283%29.jpg

[Brian Harbauer]

Pardon me, but from what I understood, there would be no cable. It would be connected internally through the packs.

[Deanan]

Are you looking for just recording to be extended and for how far?

[brandon herman]

i thought I read there would be a way to separate them (via cable, I would guess).

it's been a while since I read it, though.

[Lee Saxon]

It would be awesome if there was a way to separate the brain/lens from the friggin' RAID 0 server it's gonna take to record RC250 9K.

The major reduction in weight would equal a major reduction in money spent on things like jibs.

Though I do realize that you can only maintain that kind of bandwidth for a limited distance and the cables would not be cheap.

[JohnF]

Are you looking for just recording to be extended and for how far?

At the moment I'm looking for 2-3metres from the recorder. Though it'll often be under 1metre.

JohnF

[Cüneyt Kaya]

would be great if the cable would be long enough to hide the stuff in a bag,
only the lens and brain in the hand.

would be awesome to get some cool shots in exorbitant expensive places hehe

[Adrian Van Rossum]

I'd echo this request. The brain-to-cable-to-recording module in backpack approach worked wonders with the SI cameras used on Slumdog Millionaire, jumping over walls and running through the crowded slum streets.

We are configuring our Red so the batteries and Red-Drive are in a padded backpack for hand-held and Steadicam, but it would be wonderous to get the hand-held weight down even more by having more of the 'body' in the backpack as well - an opportunity for the increasingly modular Epic and Scarlet systems.

Perhaps even a 'Red' gyro to attach to the bottom of the brain? Smooth dolly shots are all well and good, but sometimes you can't beat leaving the sticks behind for a rapid, action-packed shoot. The world is your oyster.

[Pawel Achtel]

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/080408_Jessica-Simpson_widec%283%29.jpg

That's funny :rofl:

[Leif Thomas]

It would be perfect for setups like this Slumdog Millionaire handheld setup with everything but the brain hidden in the backpack of the operator:
http://www.siliconimaging.com/DigitalCinema/Images/sm_SI2_Handheld.jpg

Also it would be absolutely great for car-shots. You could go handheld in the car or mount it at any place at creative angles and mount the rest of the cam elsewhere.

So about 6 feet would be an immense help for different uses.

[Alex Mack]

Jim once indicated it would be around six feet...
Because of the complexity of the transfer, it was unable to be longer.

[Harry Lipnick]

I really hope a tether/extender/module-attacher-gizmo is still in the works. This would help me out tremendously.
Peace,

-Harry

[Hans von Sonntag]

It would be perfect for setups like this Slumdog Millionaire handheld setup with everything but the brain hidden in the backpack of the operator:
http://www.siliconimaging.com/DigitalCinema/Images/sm_SI2_Handheld.jpg

Also it would be absolutely great for car-shots. You could go handheld in the car or mount it at any place at creative angles and mount the rest of the cam elsewhere.

So about 6 feet would be an immense help for different uses.

Hi Leif,

you probably know that this is the original Oscar winning camera?!

I've shot with it and can say that a SI2K Mini is too light for handheld - unwanted high-frequency shaking is happening all the time.

You notice the "bomb" attached to camera. It's a gyro that adds weight. I switched it off, the weight alone helps a lot.

Otherwise SiliconImagine's concept of brain-cable- recorder is great if you would have the oppertunity to use it as a single unit as well, which you cannot unfortunately - but Epic will of course. SI utilises a simple ethernet cable.


BTW: The camera makes very nice pictures, very different to what the RedOne does at 2K.

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The cable should be at least 45 feet, better 100 for use on a crane.


Hans

Hans

[M Most]

Otherwise SiliconImagine's concept of brain-cable- recorder is great if you would have the oppertunity to use it as a single unit as well, which you cannot unfortunately - but Epic will of course. SI utilises a simple ethernet cable.

The SI camera has always been available in a self contained, single case configuration - with the front end (the piece that holds the imager, the same piece that constitutes the head for the Mini) being removable. The Mini is a separate product that lets you supply the back end via a computer or a laptop.

[Leif Thomas]

Hi Leif,

you probably know that this is the original Oscar winning camera?!


Yes I know for sure. Heard a lot of stories from a friend at Pille Wiesbaden.

I was gaffer on the first european feature film shot on the SI2k in Albania 2 years ago (a german, albanian, kosovarian co-production). Even the first production shot on 25fps. The cam was (and is) owned by the kosovarian production company and was sold by P+S Munich. There was an article in the 10/07 issue of the german "Kameramann" magazin about our experiences with that film. I understand that a lot of issues that we adressed are better now or even solved, so that article isn't up to date anymore.

The film was shot 90% handheld and we had an shoulder rig rather than a handheld rig - that helped a lot for keeping the small body steady. That big Anton Bauer battery was perfect for balancing that rig:

http://www3.pic-upload.de/10.06.09/fuiljk.jpg


The SI camera has always been available in a self contained, single case configuration
Not really "always". 2 years ago there was the "brain" only. The body came about 9 month later.

BTW:
Pille wasn't very satisfied with the Silicon Image body so they designed their own, 0dB silent one. I really love the idea of an open camera system that everybody can "hack" for their own convenience.
http://www.pillefilm.de/Products/details/7533/de

[M Most]

Not really "always". 2 years ago there was the "brain" only. The body came about 9 month later.

Correct. What I should have said is that it has been available with the enclosure for some time now. Thanks for the correction.

[JohnF]

Any official word on the brain recorder distance?

JohnF

[Rainer Fritz]

Jim once indicated it would be around six feet...
Because of the complexity of the transfer, it was unable to be longer.

6 feet would be a great starting point, any feet more would be warmly welcome.... :)

[Lauri Kettunen]

Are you looking for just recording to be extended and for how far?

One meter distance would already make all the difference (in wildlife shooting). For, if so, then one could have a lighter fluid head and attach the camera body to one of the legs of the tripod. Furthermore, one could attach long lenses directly to the fluid head and use the brain to counterbalance the mass. When shooting aerials, much smaller gyros were needed, in case of a remote controlable head, smaller motors were needed to pan and tilt and so on. One meter could already make quite a difference when shooting with a jib or crane. Of course, in such cases, the longer the distance the better.

[JohnF]

One metre distance would be a great start. I wouldn't mind this function for Scarlet as well as EPIC. Any official word yet?

JohnF

[Jarred Land]

One metre distance would be a great start. I wouldn't mind this function for Scarlet as well as EPIC. Any official word yet?

JohnF

Don't worry its on the list.... but we don't know the official max length limitations just quite yet.

[JohnF]

Cheers Jarred,

That's good news I look forward to hearing more. This feature will be very useful indeed.

JohnF

[Nathan VanderByl]

Don't worry its on the list.... but we don't know the official max length limitations just quite yet.

How about the possibility of repeaters for longer distances?

[Tom Gleeson]

It would be a huge advantage in the construction of 3D rigs if the brain could be separated from the other modules even a short distance. Even if only 30cm this would be an advantage allowing the cameras to be shortened and rigs could be physically smaller. Of course the longer the better on the cable.

The new Scarlet and Epics have the potential to be ideal cameras for 3D rigs and if the brain can be separated by a cable it will be THE camera system.

[david farland]

I'd suggest the limitation is due to the e-sata connection to drive.
1 metre is fine (i.e..R2E Lemo to eSata cable).
2 metre 'can' be too long for some controllers especially in a noisy host environment.
D

[JohnF]

**Bump!!!**

Any further news?

I'm designing some shots for future projects at the moment. A 1 to 2 metre brain-recorder distance would seriously help. Any (even slightly) technical info yet?

Cheers

JohnF

[JohnF]

Bump!

Sorry, I'm eager to know more!

JohnF

[Jarred Land]

heh heh John's monthly reminder :)

[JohnF]

heh heh John's monthly reminder :)

LOL!

Oh yes, you won't shake me that easily Mr Jarred Land!!!

Inquiring minds need to know ;)

All the best

JohnF