Red and Live earth

[Fix]

Now these days there is (Live earth) concerts and I thought it would be great to point out to an interview over at Fxguide with (Instant Karma film).

Red camera is mention as one of many ways to get to a more global healthy environment. So I guess this is somehow interesting to anyone caring about their environment and the movie business.

Now with engineering delay off and thumbs up from some of the biggest names in the business, I think this is some good pointers for all of us.

http://www.fxguide.com/article440.html

http://www.instantkarmafilms.tv/

[Priyesh P.]

I've written a similar topic a while ago. Red will surely help reduce the both harmful and unnecessary by-products of photochemical filmproduction. In a smaller scale at the beginning, of course, since projection is still mainly done with film. But let's see what Red is going to offer when their 4K projectors come out...

BTW, Not to sound offensive here, and not at all directed at you, fix, but the Live Earth concerts are a big farce at least for me. If people would have taken the message that has been spread before all the time seriously, only those of the audiences would have gone there who could reach by bicycle or "per pedes". Not by car, SUV, plane or lord knows. I've read an article, where an analysis company has computed the amount of CO2 that had been produced in this giantic music promotion campaign. They've estimated in excess of 100.000 tons of CO2. And I really doubt that it was worth all that effort.
People already know enough about environmental protection. I'm 29 and got teached this since I'm 6 over and over again. I've put all lights off when not used since I was a little kid, same with saving water, waste separation and so on.

[Curran Giddens]

http://www.stirlingenergy.com/

I am interested in using the SES Dish Stirling System to power my studio when it becomes available to the public. Hence the name Solar System (powered) Studio.

[Proteus]

People already know enough about environmental protection. I'm 29 and got teached this since I'm 6 over and over again. I've put all lights off when not used since I was a little kid, same with saving water, waste separation and so on.

If people did know enough about environmental protection, they wouldn't vote those who currently destroy the planet with their decisions.

Switching lights off etc is something, but isn't enough to save the planet.

[Keith Nealy]

Saving the planet is going to take some radical thinking and people willing to move into action to elect new leaders with the moral courage to do something about it.

Anyone who critizes the concerts as "not green" is missing the point.

Raising global awareness - all at once - may give the movement a boost.

aloha,

Keith

[Ace]

Leadership is the key. Politicians want votes. Votes = masses.

Since politicians always respond to mass concerns to retain or gain popularity, this concert will be effective, as they will adopt a "me too" attitude in order to garner loyalty and support among youth.

[Steven M. Bailey]

oil = past life

new life must feed off past life to survive.

past life is buried in the ground.

past life must be pumped to the surface to support new life.

oil underground = wasted life

what can we do to bring up wasted life to the surface?

how can we process it once its here to make new life?

Burn it to release carbon

pollution = life



This is not an argument. Just a thought.:shifty:

[fightordie]

It does my heart good to read the comments that Proteus, Kieth, and acehole posted. My day got a bit brighter. I look forward to see what you guys do with your REDS.

[Obin Olson]

Kalone, the thing is your in the EU, not in the USA, I know you turn your lights off and have good schooling with this stuff. We don't in the usa, my hope is that this Live Planet will WAKE UP some of the mass morons we have here. bring it "front page" in the media, and in peoples heads. This is what we really really need. If GM would start selling the VOLT next week after Planet Earth I bet they would sell tons of them, people are aware now for about 1 min before Paris Hilton hits the rags again as the top story.

[tj williams]

LIfe on earth is doomed lights on or off. But fortunately they will deliver my red before the end and then I will turn on the big lights!!!

[Fix]

Yes Paris Hilton really is great news...

If we want to take our environment seriously than propaganda like (live earth) concert is necessary even though it causes a “big” bunch of CO2 doing it. Put that to aside, the question I would raise to mind is “what can the movie/media business do to lover the pollution?”

RED seems to head in the right direction. Though it's somehow ironic since environmentally friendly products tend to be costly and difficult to produce. Now RED ONE is probably not easy to produce, but costly it ain't in its league these days. Jim know what the crowd wants, he proven that with Oakley and hopefully getting there with RED ONE. My guess would be (and I truly hope so) that environmentally friendly products will become a “must have” in the next decade (at least in Europa obin :) ). I guess we will see tons of new products from the RED team in the next couple of years. So I want to urge the RED team about minding which vendors they use making this great camera and their products to come.

Soderbergh is probably right. RED will (if not part of) revolutionize the business, not only for the pro's but also for the consumer's. After all, we are talking about a growing marked and tons of equipment.

[Priyesh P.]

Kalone, the thing is your in the EU, not in the USA, I know you turn your lights off and have good schooling with this stuff.

Hey Obin,

ok, that's a good point, I've forgot that. But I was generalizing my view because this whole discussion is going on here for so long. At least for my whole life.
I didn't know how things were handled over there. Sorry for the harshness.

But I still keep to my point. Music doesn't change much, in my opinion it mainly "comments" things. But ok, this is coming from someone who gives nothing on so called celebrities who rarely live what they preach.

K.

[Priyesh P.]

Oh, btw, I've found some stuff on green-filmmaking here,
http://www.fxguide.com/article440.html

[Keith Nealy]

the question I would raise to mind is “what can the movie/media business do to lover the pollution?”

I think with this statement you are missing the point.

It's not how the movie/media business can make more eco-friendly cameras and "green" production systems...

The movie/media business can make more MOVIES that raise awareness about our global problems so that people wake up and do something.

Jim is giving the world a tool and selling it at an unheard of price so that more people can tell stories.

What he is doing is creating a revolution in our industry. And, the result of that may rewrite a famous quote...

"The RED is mightier than the sword."

And that may change the history of the world.

The device that changed the world more than any other was the invention of the Guttenburg press.

I, for one, will be using my RED for exactly that purpose.

aloha,

Keith

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Could be that millions of people slept better after the pathetism of yesterdays Live Earth happening arround the globe. But the darwinism power of each individual is still much stronger than any global idea to save the world. I'm not shure if Al Gores catechism lasts longer than any other world saving idea in the past. Good, that we speak about it, that gives us the feeling to be a part of ... what exactly?

[Curran Giddens]

I, for one, will be using my RED for exactly that purpose.

Me too. I want to raise awareness and make a difference in the world.

[Priyesh P.]

Could be that millions of people slept better after the pathetism of yesterdays Live Earth happening arround the globe. But the darwinism power of each individual is still much stronger than any global idea to save the world. I'm not shure if Al Gores catechism lasts longer than any other world saving idea in the past. Good, that we speak about it, that gives us the feeling to be a part of ... what exactly?

That's what I'm saying.
I mean, people don't care for their own body, the most precious thing they've got. But still the world is smoking, drinking, eating excessively, having dangerous "fun sports" etc., all of them know (and even more impressive) even FEEL the effects.
And this crowd is supposed to save the world? I mean, even the Germans who consider themselves as the precursors in ecology immediately started moaning after some officials proposed to discard travelling by plane and to book their vacations at domestic destinations over far ones.

[Fix]

I think with this statement you are missing the point. It's not how the movie/media business can make more eco-friendly cameras and "green" production systems...

Strange way to put it. I think you sum up only one of the things that we actually can do something about. If we want to make things change than this is a major factor in the business like all others. Do you actually believe that everything is produced in an eco-friendly fashion? You like me and others are using things everyday that is produced in a fashion that harms our eco-system. But it doesn't necessary need to be that way. Thats why I'm urging the companies to think about their vendors. Because there are tons of shady ones.

Than there is us the consumers. Let me quote something I totally agree with.

“fxg:: what are some of the big ways our industry could improve?”
“CF: I wish I had the answer to that question but I don't think there is any one big thing we can do. I think it is going to be the cumulative effect of everyone doing their small part that will make a difference.“

Now dont tell me we cant do anything about that? I have been working in the TV buisness and know that we can change things.

I think its great that you and those alike make movies/documentaries that mention people about our common problem and maybe how to solve them. But as I'm saying, there is also ways we can produce and make those movies in a environment friendly fashion. Im sure you agree with that. Like instead of shooting on the other side of the earth... go green screen. Instead of film go RED. Or get low watt and more environmental friendly light bulbs in your next shoot.

[Curran Giddens]

I plan to produce an action/adventure blockbuster type movie to lure in the audience (think Lara Croft: Tomb Raider), and then at the climax of the story insert a blow-your-mind, visually stunning, "save the world" message. This will be done mostly in a solar-powered green screen studio. Hopefully save the world message and environmentally friendly fashion in which it is produced will attract some big name talent to do it for cheap (i.e. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie).

[Keith Nealy]

You are absolutely right.

We all need to look at our busineses and lives and see where we can change our habits and learn to do things in a more efficient way, the movie business as well. I apoligize if I trivialized your concern.

Today it may seem like a burdonsome option. But tomorrow the truth will become more apparent and we all will wish we took this a little more seriuosly.

Yesterday people were concerned about climate change but that is not even the worst calamity that is facing the world. Soon people will begin to find out about the "Peak Oil Crisis". It has been kept a secret by the world's "powers that be" that and will begin to change this planet in as little as ten years.

In a decade or two this will make global warming look like a day at the beach.

We are in for very tough times that will not get better in our lifetimes.

Those of us with the power to communicate need to learn about this and fold this theme into every type of story to make people aware.

Concerned people can make a difference.


Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margret Mead

aloha,

Keith

[Steve Gibby]

Very well said Keith...

[Keith Nealy]

Curran, I hope more filmmakers are thinking the way you are.

I am writing similar type scripts and have done so in the past.

Artbeatsart and Kalone: I know things look futile and expecting this crowd to make a difference is farfetched but change will happen where you least expect it. And speaking of Darwinism, man will adapt when external forces necessate it. It's whether he can do it in time to save the species is the question.

My son and two of his girlfriends were the validictorian, saluditorian, and the smartest kids in their school this past graduation. They could write their own ticket to a commercial future but instead have chosen a carreer path to make a difference.

It will happen in small ways and I think it will be the youth that will rise up and take on this challenge. After all - this is the world they will have to raise their children in. I am absolutely amazed at the changes I have seen my son go through in this last year - I would have never predicted this.

I think we - as communicators - need to stimulate more kids to take charge of this situation - they're a clean slate - they are not tied to special interest groups - they don't have the soullless priorities of a greedy corporation - they are not functioning in a corrupt government.

It is we - who make the movies - the stuff they fill their lives with - that can make a difference by chosing the topics that stimulate their thinking.

The movie business has been guilty of filling the minds of our youth with violence, greed and horror and filling their pockets with cash at the expense of our greatest natural resource - our kids.

And their excuse it "We are just giving the public what they want"
They know movies are like a drug addiction which is why they have to get more exciting each year - to feed the craving they created.


It's time we take the movie business back from the corporations and start producing some material that will create a more responsible future.

We have more power and control than we think.

Look at the ripple effect from Michael Moore's films. You may not agree with him but he has opened peoples eyes to the lies we have been told.

Are we part of the solution or part of the problem?


aloha,

Keith

[Steve Gibby]

Ditto...

[Mark Allen]

I've read an article, where an analysis company has computed the amount of CO2 that had been produced in this giantic music promotion campaign. They've estimated in excess of 100.000 tons of CO2. And I really doubt that it was worth all that effort.

That's assuming all those people would have just been sitting in a dark room all day instead of being involved with the concert.

Closer to reality - all those people - the audience and the performers would probably have been doing exactly the same thing - playing some concert or going to some concert anyway - because that's what these people do.

So I would say that basically it's probably a wash with the side benefit of people talking about that we have a problem (like we are right now). The point of raising awareness is to shift what is acceptable. When enough of people decide things are not acceptable, things change.

[Fix]

Keith I didn't feel you trivialized my point, but maybe misunderstood. Anyways, thats in the past now. The things you have been saying here really shows what kind of respectful and open minded fellow you are. I really hope there is many others alike.

Things will change in the next decade, and we will be part of it. So my words to you and to the rest of us would be. Lets make some good s*** with RED ONE that really make a difference :tongue:

[Obin Olson]

Could be that millions of people slept better after the pathetism of yesterdays Live Earth happening arround the globe. But the darwinism power of each individual is still much stronger than any global idea to save the world. I'm not shure if Al Gores catechism lasts longer than any other world saving idea in the past. Good, that we speak about it, that gives us the feeling to be a part of ... what exactly?

If nothing else it should, in my mind get you to go to the internet and START LOOKING at things YOU can do. the options are abundant and all over the web, thing is, most of us are to lazy,poor, don't care to do ANY of it...I for one have been waiting and waiting and waiting for batteries to come down in price and go up in performance for an electric car. I will buy that when it's out. I will buy solar cells when they are cheaper then an entire RED camera setup for my house. I use Compact florescent bulbs. I do what I can with what I have. Most don't, and that is the issue. Maybe, just maybe Live Earth will WAKE UP some of the folks around the world. I sure hope it did and does.

[Yash Keough]

Why not speak to various big name talent and show them how RED is better environmentally and have them agree only to be on films that use RED to save the environment! :D I'm sure tons would sign up. :)

[Priyesh P.]

Curran, I hope more filmmakers are thinking the way you are.

I am writing similar type scripts and have done so in the past.

Artbeatsart and Kalone: I know things look futile and expecting this crowd to make a difference is farfetched but change will happen where you least expect it. And speaking of Darwinism, man will adapt when external forces necessate it. It's whether he can do it in time to save the species is the question.

My son and two of his girlfriends were the validictorian, saluditorian, and the smartest kids in their school this past graduation. They could write their own ticket to a commercial future but instead have chosen a carreer path to make a difference.

It will happen in small ways and I think it will be the youth that will rise up and take on this challenge. After all - this is the world they will have to raise their children in. I am absolutely amazed at the changes I have seen my son go through in this last year - I would have never predicted this.

I think we - as communicators - need to stimulate more kids to take charge of this situation - they're a clean slate - they are not tied to special interest groups - they don't have the soullless priorities of a greedy corporation - they are not functioning in a corrupt government.

It is we - who make the movies - the stuff they fill their lives with - that can make a difference by chosing the topics that stimulate their thinking.

The movie business has been guilty of filling the minds of our youth with violence, greed and horror and filling their pockets with cash at the expense of our greatest natural resource - our kids.

And their excuse it "We are just giving the public what they want"
They know movies are like a drug addiction which is why they have to get more exciting each year - to feed the craving they created.


It's time we take the movie business back from the corporations and start producing some material that will create a more responsible future.

We have more power and control than we think.

Look at the ripple effect from Michael Moore's films. You may not agree with him but he has opened peoples eyes to the lies we have been told.

Are we part of the solution or part of the problem?


aloha,

Keith

Hi Keith,

Thanks for the positive words,
(and I mean it).

[Alex Boothby]

Soon people will begin to find out about the "Peak Oil Crisis". It has been kept a secret by the world's "powers that be" that and will begin to change this planet in as little as ten years.

In a decade or two this will make global warming look like a day at the beach.

Keith, I also appreciate your thoughtful posts and concerned views but I thought I would share a word of caution regarding Peak Oil.

I spent nearly two years studying Peak Oil and became a bit of a groupie. Out of concern I tried to help and ended up shooting documentaries and seminars by such Peak Oil luminaries as Richard Heinberg, Mike Ruppert and Colin Campbell . I travelled and payed my own air fare, donated camera equipment and post services and money (more than I could afford).

So it came as a bit of a shock to me when I gradually discovered that Peak Oil was a lie, which is what I now believe it to be. Based of shoddy facts, cooked books and a big dose of propaganda and fear mongering, the Peak Oil legend comes directly from big oil (namely Royal Dutch Shell, Exxon and others) as a way to justify jacking up the price of oil by controlling and restricting the supply. If that sounds outlandish to you then please look at the behavior of the oil industry in the aftermath of Katrina. There was no oil shortage, yet they took that opportunity to fleece desperate people for every penny. This article is instructive:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/09/02/big_oils_bigtime_looting/

If you look into it you will probably discover that:

- The Peak Oil mantra comes directly from oil industry insiders.
- Dr. M. King Hubbert (the grandfather of modern Peak Oil theory) worked at the Shell Oil research laboratory and was a member of the Malthusian and ultra exclusive Club of Rome, along with such oil-rich types as David Rockefeller and Averell Harriman.
- The main Peak Oil organ ASPO (Association for the Study of Peak Oil) has Associate members like Halliburton and financial sponsors like Schlumberger and Thyssen group (Thyssen was Hitler's financier). ASPO includes Colin Campbell and Mathew Simmons.

- Peak Oil spokesmen actively discourage the viability of any and all energy alternatives ("don't even bother with wind, solar, hydrogen, ethanol, whatever - they won't work")
- Instead their answer is population reduction (which generally means the third and developing worlds).
- "The world is running out of oil" has been decried roughly every 25 years, dating back to the 1920s!
- The 1972-1973 oil shocks and accompanying oil "shortage" was a completely contrived affair (with Henry Kissinger playing a key role)
- Today world oil reserves have never been higher
- In 2004 Saudi oil officials revealed that their oil reserves had more than tripled to 1.2 trillion barrels (a conservative estimate)
- 500 billion barrels of oil just discovered in The Gulf of Mexico.
- Both numbers bested by recent finds in Russia.
- The US has not built an oil refinery since the 1970s (they don't want plentiful oil)
- extremely profitable refineries have been closed down such as the Shell oil refinery in Bakersfield, California
- Here's a link to memos by Mobil, Texaco and Chevron outlining an agenda to reduce refining capacity: http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/fs/
Chevron memo states: "A senior energy analyst at the recent API (American Petroleum Institute) convention warned that if the US petroleum industry doesn't reduce its refining capacity it will never see any substantial increase in refinery margins." This policy of supply restriction and price gouging came at the behest of the oil industry itself.

- .And... I won't even begin with abiotic oil:
http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030573.html

Anyway, all of this just scratches the surface. I spent two years being suckered in by this fraud and then another two years unravelling it. I don't expect you to believe me but I think you would be interested by the research. The oil industry does not want cheap and abundant energy. They want to control energy, restrict it to their adversaries, and generally define the market by what it will bear. It is very sad but there are people in this world who will take advantage of well meaning and concerned citizens for there own profit. As a filmmaker I think you would appreciate the incredible power of story and myth. Wars are often based on myths and it is my opinion that oil profits can be made of myths as well.

Sorry for the bad news.

[Alex Boothby]

Oh, I almost forgot the best part - it turns out that dedicated Peal Oil enthusiasts can be some of the most dangerous propagandists you are likely to meet. From the beginning I was always a bit disturbed by the calls for population reduction slipped into their speeches and seminars. But it seems they are really into it.

I kept a few quotes from an essay by William Stanton published in the ASPO (Association for the Study of Peak Oil) newsletter which is edited by Dr. Colin Campbell. Sadly the entire essay seems to have been removed from their website (http://www.peakoil.ie/newsletters/588) but I'm sure I could dig it up.

So without further ado, witness deranged fear mongering like you've never quite seen it - in their own words:
____________

"... a global population reduction of some 6 billion people is likely to take place during the 21st Century

In Third World nations ... a Darwinian struggle for shrinking resources of all kinds will be in full swing .... The concept of human rights will be irrelevant ......in the West, the same argument will affect the thinking of militarily powerful nations ... Instantaneous nuclear elimination of population centres might even be considered merciful, compared to starvation and massacres prolonged over decades.

Probably the greatest obstacle to the scenario with the best chance of success (in my opinion) is the Western world’s unintelligent devotion to political correctness, human rights and the sanctity of human life. In the Darwinian world that preceded and will follow the fossil fuel era, these concepts were and will be meaningless.

So the population reduction scenario with the best chance of success has to be Darwinian in all its aspects, with none of the sentimentality that shrouded the second half of the 20th Century in a dense fog of political correctness ...

To those sentimentalists who ... are outraged at the proposed replacement of human rights by cold logic, I would say “You have had your day, in which your woolly thinking has messed up not just the Western world but the whole planet... You have thrown away that opportunity.”

... The scenario is: Immigration is banned. Unauthorised arrives are treated as criminals. Every woman is entitled to raise one healthy child. No religious or cultural exceptions can be made, but entitlements can be traded. Abortion or infanticide is compulsory if the fetus or baby proves to be handicapped (Darwinian selection weeds out the unfit). When, through old age, accident or disease, an individual becomes more of a burden than a benefit to society, his or her life is humanely ended. Voluntary euthanasia is legal and made easy. Imprisonment is rare, replaced by corporal punishment for lesser offences and painless capital punishment for greater.

... The punishment regime would improve social cohesiveness by weeding out criminal elements.

... military forces should be maintained strong and alert ... Collaboration with other nations practising the same population reduction scenario would be of great mutual advantage.

...Another problem is likely to be the residual opposition to population reduction from sentimentalists and/or religious extremists unable to understand that the days of plenty, when criminals and the weak could be cherished at public expense, are over. Acts of violent protest, such as are carried out today by animal rights activists and anti-abortionists, would, in the Darwinian world, attract capital punishment. Population reduction must be single-minded to succeed."

_______________

Nice huh? I wish I could make this up. Anyway, please don't believe this shit. It is promulgated by rich sickos as a means to control resource supply and get richer, while allowing them to articulate their most deranged Malthusian fantasies of eugenics and population reduction. Man that's bleak - sorry.

[Curran Giddens]

I don't mean to turn this into a conspiracy theory thread, but I agree with the fact that the number one priority of secret societies is population control (EDIT: and controlled population reduction). An evil secret society that uses fear mongering to control the population (think Patriot Act) is the primary villain in my movie. Conspiracy theories can make some great suspensful movies.

[Keith Nealy]

Thank you very much, Boothba for that informed post and taking the time to document everything for me.

I take what you say very seriously. I certainly haven't invested the amount of time and money you have, although I admit I was heading down that road. You may have saved me much time, money and heartache - so I don't consider it bad news.

I will followup on your research to confirm it for myself because too many things hang in the balance. I am very well aware of all the people and organizations you mentioned but now I have to followup on your leads about their ultimate motivations.

Many of the facts you have stated have been rebutted and I have seen them turned around to support the peak oil theory - so it gets very confusing.

What is getting scary lately is the power and sophistication of dissinformation on just about any topic and how it is getting impossible to know what to believe without the kind of dedication and passion you have exhibited on this.

So is it bad news? Well in terms of the world, if you're right, it's good news. In terms of my goals, after I confirm your findings I can then move on and focus on other more pressing issues.

I would like to continue our dialogue off-line and benefit from your research if you would be kind enough to share it with me? My email is keithn at aloha dot net.

Thank you for this information. You have just given me another task to corrorborate your findings and compare them against my research. In truth, I hope you are right because the reality of peak oil is just too devastating to imagine.

aloha,

Keith

[Keith Nealy]

Thanks for this addition - but in all fairness - especially for the people reading this who haven't a clue what we are talking about - the "population reduction" he is talking about, i believe, is an after the fact solution in the peak oil scenario to the growing problem of world-wide starvation.

If in fact, world-wide starvation occurs due to lack of fertilizers, pesticides (petroleum deratives) and oil to run farm machinery then the world will be in a world of hurt trying to cope with the situation with old humanitarian values.

Historically, for ten thousand years, populations could only grow if they were supported by abundant food. The advent of petroleum based farming let the population grow exponentially to where it is today. Take away that capacity to artifically boost natures capabilities and the populations will naturally die off. As you know, in the peak oil scenario, people predict a two billion person die off.

I admit the letter you submit is radical thinking but the future reality may promulgate such raqdical theories as viable solutions.

I do not believe this was ever put forth as a pre- disaster solution to head off the mass starvation that would occur.

As a Vietnam Vet the concept of "acceptable casualties" and collaterial damage" is not new to me and represents a rather inhumane way of thinking but one that may be necessay when balanced out with the good of the whole.

It's an ugly subject where people who come up with logiocal but inhumane solutions always get painted as the bad guy.

There are no really humanely acceptable answers in a crisis such as we are talking about.

[Curran Giddens]

What is getting scary lately is the power and sophistication of dissinformation on just about any topic and how it is getting impossible to know what to believe without the kind of dedication and passion you have exhibited on this.


Dissinformation is the problem with so many conspiracy theories. People hear too many of them that are so outlandish that they start to disbelieve any of them. I, for one, don't believe in UFO's. Nor do I believe in any other planet capable of sustaining human life. I know there is a mind-boggling number of other stars in the universe, even so, the probability of another earth-like planet even remotely close enough to ours is zero IMHO. Earth is the only one and we need to do whatever we can to preserve it.

Just think for a minute how many different things had to happen exactly the way it did for us to even exist. We needed the right size planet the perfect distance from the sun, with a moon the right distance from the planet, with the right size comets hitting the planet at exactly the right time in its formation, and so on....

[Kenn Christenson]

An evil secret society that uses fear mongering to control the population (think Patriot Act) is the primary villain in my movie. Conspiracy theories can make some great suspensful movies.

I'm working on a movie about a politician who's risen to power precisely through the use of fear (and Hollywood) to control the population. I call it the "Al Gore Story." Talk about a conspiracy!

[Keith Nealy]

Curran, I tend to agree with you on that one. Especially since the people involved in the space industry need as much help as they can get to keep funding their research. On the Big Island, here in Hawaii, we are one of the centers of the astronomy world with all the most important observatories. I do a lot of productions for them and I see it all the time. Sometimes I wonder why so much money is being spent on studying stars when we have so many pressing problems right here on earth.

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The conspiracy theory that has me the most troubled revolves around 9/11.
And what has me even more perplexed is the recent disinformation that has been put forthe to combat these theories.

It is getting so sophisticated I think most people will just give up trying to find the truth.

When that happens, we can finally kiss America goodbye.

As someone who fought in Vietnam and witnessed the corruption of the war, the lack of decisivness for victory, the lying of President Nixon on a daily basis of the truth of what was really happening - I lost my innocence in believing that America always did the right thing and that the interests of its people were formost in its actions.

Vietnam was a money-making business decision as is Iraq.

But don't get me started on this...

But I will say that the true facts surrounding 9/11 may well be the most important in the history of a once great nation.

And I'm sure "Executive Priveledge" will prevent us from learning any real truth.

[Curran Giddens]

Vietnam was a money-making business decision as is Iraq.

But don't get me started on this...

But I will say that the true facts surrounding 9/11 may well be the most important in the history of a once great nation.


Sorry to get started on this...

I have to agree with you on the importance of the 9/11 and the money-making business decision of going to war with Iraq. You only need to look at who profits the most. Hmm... there will be no-bid contracts available? I wonder who will get those?
Duh! Within a day of Halliburton receiving those contracts their stock doubled in price. Of course we all know Dick Cheney still has a large stake in Halliburton as the ex CEO.

One of the founders of the American space program, Jack Parsons (Jet Propulsion Laboratory), was a satan-worshipping member of a secret society. Other members were ex Nazi scientists....

Thats enough for now....


EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons

[Priyesh P.]

Sorry to get started on this...

I have to agree with you on the importance of the 9/11 and the money-making business decision of going to war with Iraq. You only need to look at who profits the most. Hmm... there will be no-bid contracts available? I wonder who will get those?
Duh! Within a day of Halliburton receiving those contracts their stock doubled in price. Of course we all know Dick Cheney still has a large stake in Halliburton as the ex CEO.

One of the founders of the American space program, Jack Parsons (Jet Propulsion Laboratory), was a satan-worshipping member of a secret society. Other members were ex Nazi scientists....

Thats enough for now....


EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons


What a strange coincidence that the man received the very perfect name for him : DICK...

One of the nazi-guys you're talkin about was Wernher von Braun. It's still a miracle to me how guys like that could be integrated into the NASA system.

[Keith Nealy]

Thanks Curran.

I know, these are subjects that need to be explored and exposed.

BTW, I went to your website a while back and really like the puppet work you are doing. When I had my studio in NYC I used to work with Jim Henson's puppeteers on many prioductions. When my new site gets put up, you'll be able to see some clips from them.

This forum is so great because of the international collection of concerned filmmakers that reside here. It gives me hope that we can mount an opposition to all the disinformation by producing responsible films that have positive and productive messages that can actually create change in the world.

Long live the RED revolution!! Ok I'm done. (stepping down off soapbox)

cut to :commercial


aloha,

Keith

[Kenn Christenson]

One of the nazi-guys you're talkin about was Wernher von Braun. It's still a miracle to me how guys like that could be integrated into the NASA system.

Oh, I don't know, lots of people wear shirts with the face of a certain "revolutionary" who liked to blow the brains out of people who disagreed with his "revolutionary" philosophy. :sad:

[Lucas Wilson]

One of the nazi-guys you're talkin about was Wernher von Braun. It's still a miracle to me how guys like that could be integrated into the NASA system.

Von Braun and his team were sent to Huntsville, Alabama and headed the teams at Marshall Space Flight Center that pioneered a lot of the propulsion technology that eventually sent Apollo to the moon, and the Space Shuttle into orbit. That led, in turn, to a huge influx of scientific and technical money to Huntsville to feed the industry that grew up around those early days when Von Braun and his team were doing research.

One of those companies that launched in Huntsville in the late 60s and early 70s was a technology startup called M & S Computing, who were early innovators in the (at that time) nascent field of CAD/CAM. After some early success, M & S changed their name to what they are better known as today - Intergraph.

Intergraph was started by Jim Meadlock (the "M" in M & S) and led to an incredible run in the 80s of triple digit annual growth as a pioneer of CAD/CAM technology and visualization graphics. One of the fields they went into later was hardware based solutions for motion imaging in the entertainment community - and were one of the first companies to jump onto WindowsNT when the entire graphics universe in Hollywood was based on SGI. Their purple boxes - the "TDZ" and "GT' series were a mainstay of 3D and rendering hardware in the mid-90s.

In an interesting turn of events - the head of the Digital Media Division at Intergraph in those days and the guy who really spearheaded a lot of the thrust into the entertainment community was a guy named Jeff Edson.

And if you look at the ASSIMILATE website in the Company->Executive Team section, you'll find the names Jim Meadlock and Jeff Edson. And as you all know, SCRATCH and RED have a pretty tight link.

It's always interesting to me how links are formed, and how history weaves itself.

Lucas Wilson
------------
ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA
(but grew up in Huntsville...)

[Andrew Benz]

My god what happened in this thread. All of you guys are... my kinda of people! I guess what has happened here is a healthy dose of independant thinking, the internal machinations that drive our fight/flight response that "it does not all add up"! I will say this, I too am a veteran. I served in the USAF in the early to mid 90's and I have seen many things that do not add up on many levels. This would include multiple Presidential support missions (Yeltsin/Clinton to name one), UNPROFOR6, and Operation Bright Star. There were many other missions, but these stood out for specific reasons...

I too have a treatment (for a script/series) that runs in a similar vein but from a little scarier place... real world experience... although on the periphery. There was that one time though in Croatia '95, in a parched olive grove deep in conversation with a guy named Swede. No uniform or rank, he begins to spill forth my life history leading to the question...

BTW Curren, we have much in common and here is the link to the company that I hope to do business w/ if all the pieces fall into place. http://http://www.energyinnovations.com/

Thanks for a great thread guys-- all of you.

[Keith Nealy]

Welcome to the "Underground" Andrew.

Good to have you aboard. It's one thing to have a RED revolution - but it's another thing when many owners will be making films to reveal truths.

Many of us who have served have many stories to tell that reveal the inner workings of the alternate realities of the military and government.

Based on my experience with Kids - My oldest boy just graduated high school and is heading off to NYU in NYC - they are hungry for the truth and are fed up with the status quo. They see that the emperor has no clothes.

Last week my son had a party in my studio with 10 seniors at midnight - they all watched "Sicko" and loved it.

If we all start producing stuff they will watch it. They are hungry for the real truth and they want something besides "Scream 4" and "Dumb and Dumber."

I think the key will be to create new forms of "docutainment" that will appeal to a younger mass audience.

BTW, I want to thank the moderators for keeping this thread open even though it has strayed off course slightly but it has revealed an undercurrent of like minded filmmakers who are reaching out across the internet - across borders -to say - "you are not alone" - "there are others that think as you do."

I envision a world-wide network of RED owners dedicated to helping each out in co-production supplying everything from footage to rentals to tell some of these stories.

I was a child of the "Sixties" when it was a generation of young people who stood for something and fought for what they believed in. Those of us who have been around the block a few times and been in the business since then like my good friend "Gibby" who I know is lurking out there has seen a great deal of transformation take place and the ebbing away and corruption of a once great nation.

I see that we have a responsibility to our children to try and fix as much as we can before we "shuffle off this mortal coil."

Unfortunately they will have to deal with the environment in their own way but we can help as much as we can by opening up people's eyes.

And I am not advocating that everyone create meaningful docunmentaries. But thiose of you who create - who write scripts - who have any power over the choice of projects - have a choice to incorporate some topic that will reveal a truth.

We have more power than you realize. We control an unbelieve WMI -Weapon of Mass Instruction. And by using RED - the world will sit up and take notice.

aloha,

keith

[Alex Boothby]

Wise words - I'll second that.

BTW Keith, it seems I couldn't manage a timely reply, but I was glad that my post didn't offend and was received in the spirit that it was intended. Gotta say - I like your style man. I'll send some juicy tidbits via email.

Alex

[Priyesh P.]

Von Braun and his team were sent to Huntsville, Alabama and headed the teams at Marshall Space Flight Center that pioneered a lot of the propulsion technology that eventually sent Apollo to the moon, and the Space Shuttle into orbit. That led, in turn, to a huge influx of scientific and technical money to Huntsville to feed the industry that grew up around those early days when Von Braun and his team were doing research.


Yeah. But only a couple of years ago von Braun worked on the V2 and the V1, the rocket that was sent over to England and (if history would have taken a different road) maybe it would have transported some nazi-nukes...

btw, I'm very happy, too about this thread. It already did cause some rethinking in me...

[Curran Giddens]

BTW Curren, we have much in common and here is the link to the company that I hope to do business w/ if all the pieces fall into place. http://www.energyinnovations.com/


Andrew, Thanks for the link. That looks like a more reasonable solar system and should be available next year. They don't list a price though.

The SES dish won't be available for individuals for at least a couple more years. At least not for a reasonable price. The units are only available for utilities and at a price of $150k-$200k. I would estimate at least 3-4 years before they are available to the public for < $50k. It pisses me off that they can't just go ahead to mass produce these units NOW for a reasonable price! Kinda makes you wonder if......

The main reason I like the SES dish is the high-power output (25kW) and the fact that it uses the Sterling engine which is highly-efficient with very little maintenance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine




Here is a little history of SES that I grabbed from their website:

http://www.stirlingenergy.com/products.asp?Type=solar

In 1996, SES acquired the patent, tooling, and equipment rights to the world's most efficient solar dish concentrator system: the Dish Stirling. Initially developed in the 1980s by McDonnell Douglas (now The Boeing Co.) the Dish Stirling system was field-tested by Southern California Edison and Georgia Power for over 175,000 hours between 1982 and 1988. Edison's test data indicated the Dish Stirling out-performed all other solar-to-electric generating systems by a factor of two, yet had comparable start-up costs. SES optimized the McDonnell Douglas dish to operate with a 25kW Stirling power conversion unit (PCU) developed in Sweden by United Stirling, Kockums and Volvo. The resulting system, the "Dish Stirling", has fewer moving parts than comparable diesel engines and operates relatively quietly. The SES Solar Test Site and related tooling and equipment facilities are located at the Boeing facility in Huntington Beach, California. The 25kW SES Dish Stirling system has an operating track record of more than 17 years. Since 1984, it has held the world record for efficiency in converting solar energy into grid-quality electricity.

[Lucas Wilson]

Yeah. But only a couple of years ago von Braun worked on the V2 and the V1, the rocket that was sent over to England and (if history would have taken a different road) maybe it would have transported some nazi-nukes...

btw, I'm very happy, too about this thread. It already did cause some rethinking in me...

Believe me, I know all about what Von Braun and his team did. I grew up in Huntsville and was immersed in that stuff as a kid.

But growing up where I did gave me perspective on technology from a different view. Huntsville has two huge government facilities - NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center and the US Army's Redstone Arsenal. When many of my friends parents were asked, "What are you, some kinda rocket scientist?" - a lot of them could honestly say, "yes." : )

The militaries of different countries are largely responsible for a vast array of technological innovation, either in invention or in the funds that enabled research breakthroughs. And I always knew growing up that innovation is usually neither good nor bad, it is (usually) just innovation. One of my friends' moms was a research mathematician in the area of fluid dynamics. The work that she and her team did had an impact on how clotting agents for trauma wounds can improve... and also how missiles can more accurately be launched from submarines. Let's not even *start* talking about computing and imaging technology and how much of that comes directly from places like JPL, Lawrence Livermore, DARPA, etc.

In today's economics, the scientific research world cannot thrive and survive at its current pace without the military and military funding. Peel back the layers at any pure research facility and you will find military links somewhere.

To quote one of my favorite movie lines, "Gray. The world is Gray, Jack!"

Lucas Wilson
------------
ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

[JimmyC]

www.steorn.com (http://www.steorn.com/)

Very interesting!

Can't wait to see thresults of the testing... We may never need to charge our reds again...

Jim

[Curran Giddens]

www.steorn.com (http://www.steorn.com/)

Very interesting!

Can't wait to see thresults of the testing... We may never need to charge our reds again...

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3111

There was supposed to be a live demonstration video online last week but it was cancelled due to "technical difficulties."

[Jay A. Kelley]

This is a great thread....

[Craig Schober]

www.steorn.com (http://www.steorn.com/)

Very interesting!

Can't wait to see thresults of the testing... We may never need to charge our reds again...

Jim

i love the dramatic last minute cancellation of the live demo due to heat from camera lights. the inventor later retracted that claim and stated it was due to the fact that skeptics were actually looking at his demo.

[Andrew Benz]

Hi Keith,

Great Post!!! I feel the same way. I have a tremendous amount of respect for our brothers and sisters that served in combat in any conflict, but there is very special place in my heart/soul for Vietnam Vets. If my "ying" is working to incorporate (instead of obfuscation and divisive pysop strategies) story lines that nudge the masses into thought instead of apathy then my "yang" is to take the same tools and strategies to raise serious awareness to the plight of many veterans getting their asses handed to them by the VA when they need their help the most---like these poor young men and women who are coming back from Iraq with serious and overwelming pain and problems. I have first hand experience that and I hope to see that no one with a serious and disabling injury gets turned away by institutional apathy and just plain cruel behavior. It needs to be said though that there are many very good and helpful medical professionals in the VA system that feel just as helpless to get vets the help they need. I want to use my RED to build awareness in this area very badly.

Keith, your post is illuminating and very "on point', thank you. The sixties scared the shit out of the establishment giving us layers of corp/gov plausible deniability and many other new "strategies".

Curran stated...
Andrew, Thanks for the link. That looks like a more reasonable solar system and should be available next year. They don't list a price though.


http://http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.07/solar.html?pg=1&topic=solar&topic_set=

Curran these machines were at first meant to be super cheap but... great article I had you dig it.

Cheers,

Andrew


Welcome to the "Underground" Andrew.

Good to have you aboard. It's one thing to have a RED revolution - but it's another thing when many owners will be making films to reveal truths.

Many of us who have served have many stories to tell that reveal the inner workings of the alternate realities of the military and government...

I envision a world-wide network of RED owners dedicated to helping each out in co-production supplying everything from footage to rentals to tell some of these stories.

I was a child of the "Sixties" when it was a generation of young people who stood for something and fought for what they believed in. Those of us who have been around the block a few times and been in the business since then like my good friend "Gibby" who I know is lurking out there has seen a great deal of transformation take place and the ebbing away and corruption of a once great nation.

I see that we have a responsibility to our children to try and fix as much as we can before we "shuffle off this mortal coil."

Unfortunately they will have to deal with the environment in their own way but we can help as much as we can by opening up people's eyes.

And I am not advocating that everyone create meaningful docunmentaries. But those of you who create - who write scripts - who have any power over the choice of projects - have a choice to incorporate some topic that will reveal a truth.

We have more power than you realize. We control an unbelieve WMI -Weapon of Mass Instruction. And by using RED - the world will sit up and take notice.

aloha,

keith