New pic...

[Jannard]

This is a configuration like what is being used on the "Wanted" set.

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1183910655.jpg

[chuck colburn]

Morning,

Is that base plate a RED item?

thanks,

Chuck

[IAN SUN]

I Want that bad.

[IAN SUN]

I like the top mount LCD. Good for my wide angle crowd work.

[roryhinds]

someone turn on the house lights and lets see some detail

[Jason Francois]

What kind of camera is that? Looks interesting. :)

Stop teasing Jim. NO, scratch-that keep on teasing until they're all delivered.

I love the look. I hope we get some ergonomic-style grips in the future. Of course, this will do very nicely for now. :)

[David Battistella]

I think I like that as much as I love my Ducati.

Believe me, that is saying a lot!

David

I can't believe I could honestly think a camera is sexy, but that is exactly what it is!

[chuck colburn]

gottaluvaduck

[Curran Giddens]

Nice Pic! Is this another one by Jarred?

[Adrian Correia]

is that the 18-50 CF? Awesome....

[Craig Meadows]

Beautiful, just beautiful.

[Keith Alan Morris]

me wantsie.

[David Battistella]

gottaluvaduck

That camera makes me want to capture images as much as the Duke makes me want to ride. I'm going to put the two REDS together and go for a ride down the RED road when I get mine.

I'm getting that top case modified just for RED. Looking for sponsors now.

David

[chuck colburn]

Unha...like you REALLY need a reason to ride that bike. lol
An old and dear friend sometimes lets me use his 748SS, it sure makes my day.

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Thats all I wanted... and what I want in the hopefully near future. Question: no EVF used?

[David Battistella]

An old and dear friend sometimes lets me use his 748SS, it sure makes my day.

That sounds like fun, especially if your are riding through Oregon!

David

[Chosei Funahara]

Simple is better!

[Mark L. Pederson]

are they shooting without the EVF?

[Steve Gibby]

Probably just one setup being used. I'd hazzard a guess (and it's just that) that an EVF, FF, and MB are being used at times...

[number6]

I think I like that as much as I love my Ducati.

Believe me, that is saying a lot!

David

I can't believe I could honestly think a camera is sexy, but that is exactly what it is!

What's a Ducati? Is that like code for... you know... (a part of a woman's anatomy?)

[Brook Willard]

As usual, looks awesome... Any word on how far into production they are on Wanted? :)

[chuck colburn]

#6,
Its a type of motorcycle.
If you haven't ridden before it's not the best choice for a first bike.
As my 748SS owner friend says "It does not suffer fools well"
And no, I'm not calling you a fool. lol

[number6]

"It does not suffer fools well"
And no, I'm not calling you a fool. lol

You coulda' "fooled" me. :blush:

[David Battistella]

What's a Ducati? Is that like code for... you know... (a part of a woman's anatomy?)

At the risk of being bated. The answer is: sort of?

A Ducati is an Italian motorcycle. It's the "Ferrari" of bikes. They lead the racing world in innovation and wins and like Cars and Camera's they look beautiful in RED.

In terms of a brand, Ducati lines up quite nicely with Oakley and RED because they are committed to quality and excellence and style. Some Ducati footage was featured in the latest release of FCP.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/595306/

RED's 120fps will be useful in capturing images of a DUCATI on the track, but I want to take mine on the road to capture stories.

David

[number6]

At the risk of being bated. The answer is: sort of?

A Ducati is an Italian motorcycle. It's the "Ferrari" of bikes. They lead the racing world in innovation and wins and like Cars and Camera's they look beautiful in RED.

In terms of a brand, Ducati lines up quite nicely with Oakley and RED because they are committed to quality and excellence and style. Some Ducati footage was featured in the latest release of FCP.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/595306/

RED's 120fps will be useful in capturing images of a DUCATI on the track, but I want to take mine on the road to capture stories.

David

David, was hoping you would reply with "it's better than that part of a woman's anatomy, whereas as I would have replied with "Wow" ... but it's hard to do a Martin and Lewis when we haven't had a rehearsal. Great looking bike and no disrespect intended toward you or your bike. Just a failed attempt to inject some levity into a very serial subject, i.e. RED. (OBTW, speaking of serial, does anyone know if the eSATA port will be 1x, that is, one lane, or any number between one and the upper limit of 16 lanes?)

[Sanjin Jukic]

Thats all I wanted... and what I want in the hopefully near future. Question: no EVF used?

That's interesting after all EVF vs. LCD discussion here.

Is this photo mean that LCD is a better solution???

Or is it just about an aesthetic of the photo???

I already ordered Blackmagic HDLink Pro for the 2K monitoring in a field or studio.

This gonna impress my customers to watch 2K immediately on a field and 2K is stilll reality of any DI or POST VFX work today.

4K monitoring and postproduction is still 4-5 years in a front of all us (INDIES).

Just to be a real one.

Do I need this fancy LCD???

I prefer EVF classic image control if we already don't have head mount display that I was demanded and was my big desire.

If LCD would be an iPhone device (or iPhone itself) with an interactive control of the cam and image that would be just PERFECT.

[Álex Montoya]

Thing is I am accostumed to use the LCD with the SONY HDV and with my DSCR1. For me it's the natural way of shooting so I guess I am going this way first.

[David Battistella]

David, was hoping you would reply with "it's better than that part of a woman's anatomy, whereas as I would have replied with "Wow" ... but it's hard to do a Martin and Lewis when we haven't had a rehearsal. Great looking bike and no disrespect intended toward you or your bike.

None taken. I know that this is all about fun!


David

[Steve Gibby]

I'll get the EVF and the LCD and use either and both daily, depending on the workflow and genres I'm shooting.

[Miguel Bunster]

Jim,Thanks for posting it.
Could you share, if possible; any tecnical data of how they are shooting? Any certain T-Stop? RED RAW CODE? and what post workflow they follow?
Thanks once again.
Miguel

[Sanjin Jukic]

I'll get the EVF and the LCD and use either and both daily, depending on the workflow and genres I'm shooting.


Gibby you are right, that is the way to go.

[Mark L. Pederson]

I was actually just "fishing" to see if the EVF was field beta-ready and in use right now - I am assuming it is - I'm just curious, as it was NOT ready for field testing when they shot the PJ short ...

[David Battistella]

I'll get the EVF and the LCD and use either and both daily, depending on the workflow and genres I'm shooting.

Gibby,

This seems to make the most sense. In many situations it might be simpler to go with the EVF and in others it will be the LCD. I can see the definite advantages of both.

Sometimes more eyes on the frame is better than fewer. I think if it was one or the other I might go for the LCD at first because there is a severe lack of data on the EVF.

I have heard it is going to be an amazing, high rez machine, but there is not much other than the picture and price posted on the website and I wonder what the cost/performance benefits are to the EVF?

David

[Sanjin Jukic]

So Gibby's and other user tests would tell us during the next 3-4 months after the first shippings what is actually is going on with all those accessories as well. Hope so again.

[Sanjin Jukic]

And don't forget that Blackmagic HDLink PRO (web link (http://www.decklink.com/products/hdlink/techspecs/)) can offer 2K monitoring in a field (Apple 30" Cinema Display, etc brands...) that could impress any director to see a native delivery resolution IMMEDIATELY because actually the 2K is a resolution that is maximum for almost 98% productions TO DEAL in post and delivery TODAY (film print or digital projection).

WYGIWYS.

What You Get Is What You Seek.

Not only is used in computing to describe a new interaction paradigm in results-oriented user interface,

could be ALSO used in a brand new digital cinema acquisition and production.

[Casey Green]

This is a configuration like what is being used on the "Wanted" set.

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1183910655.jpg

Looks great. Any more info from the "Wanted" set would be welcome.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Jim, what recording medium are they using? Compact Flash? eSata Flash? HDD?

[Steve Gibby]

Here are some RED Team comments about the EVF and LCD:

“This is the current set up -

EVF Only -

False Color Meter - only in EVF, potential for LCD in future (not a promise)
Overlays the entire image and forces it to monochrome....

EVF and LCD -

Histogram RGB histograms that appear under the main image

Waveform Luma waveform that appears under the main image

Focus “waveform” that appears under the main image

Some or all of these were shown in prototype form at NAB ...”

Stuart
4/26/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2014&page=2



“The EVF will be ready when the camera ships.”

Jim Jannard
12/20/06
DVX User RED forum
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=81730&page=5


“The EVF will be ready when the camera ships in 2007.”

Jim Jannard
12/15/06
DVi
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=81848



“Viewfinder - not optical, but many of the same characteristics of an optical - including SurroundView(tm) the ability to see around the outside of the frame recorded, and also being a true HD viewfinder, provides accurate focus.

Video assist. Is HD, has multiple choices for frame guidelines, supports DVI (using a custom LEMO connector), HDMI and HD-SDI. RED's available HD-LCD panel may be ideal for applications where a compact monitor is desired.”

Stuart English
11/21/06
DVi
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=80097



“Yes, it is possible to have the EVF and LCD connected at the same time”

Stuart English
DVi
10/6/06
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=76929



“Perhaps for the first time on a professional camera, the RED-EVF has been designed from the perspective of an integrated monitoring component, rather than a stand alone device. Although it uses a broadcast standard Hirose connector, its has a custom digital interface based around DVI, which allows advanced signal processing in the camera body, and a high level of communications between camera and viewfinder.

The RED-EVF can't be used with other cameras. Its simply the worlds highest performance electronic viewfinder, specific to the RED ONE.”

Stuart English
3/12/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=900&page=2



“Yes, showing you what's happening outside of the recorded area (just like an optical viewfinder does) is one of the key differences between the RED-EVF and any other electronic viewfnding systems. We call that feature SurroundView. This feature is also supported on the RED-LCD and both the HDMI and HD-SDI based HD Preview outputs.”

Stuart English
3/12/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=900&page=2



“The RED-EVF and RED-LCD are close cousins. They are driven by a common output from the camera that is expressed on two independent DVI based digital video, power and control interfaces. You could think of them both as viewfinders, one in a tube and one flat. You can use one, or the other, or both at the same time.

The RED-EVF has one or two additional capabilities I can discuss later, but essentially either one of them would be fine for camera operation. Both show Surround View, Histograms, Focus Assist, Frame Guides and Camera menus / status. As an example, if you were shooting underwater or on steadicam the RED-LCD would be the best choice.”

Stuart English
3/13/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=900&page=4

[Sanjin Jukic]

GREAT!

Very thanks Gibby!!!

[Steve Gibby]

Glad to help...

My guess is that the EVF is in beta testing now. BTW, resolution of the EVF is 1280 x 720, and the LCD is 1024 x 600.

[Poi Boy]

Great to see new pictures. I know you guys can take pretty pictures of the camera but it would be so much more helpful if you would shoot something fully lit.
Aloha
-A

[Brook Willard]

The EVF is a little more than 1280 x 720... It's closer to 800 or so if memory serves... I'm not currently able to check my notes to confirm.

[Steve Gibby]

The EVF is a little more than 1280 x 720... It's closer to 800 or so if memory serves... I'm not currently able to check my notes to confirm.

Thanks for that input Brook...

[Sanjin Jukic]

Glad to help...

My guess is that the EVF is in beta testing now. BTW, resolution of the EVF is 1280 x 720, and the LCD is 1024 x 600.


The EVF is a little more than 1280 x 720... It's closer to 800 or so if memory serves... I'm not currently able to check my notes to confirm.

More resolution more fun. That's a rule.

EVF first then LCD if you need it. EVF is for DP and external 30" 2K (+3D LUTs) display is for a director, producer, etc... If director is shooting by him/herself HANDHELD then EVF is also enough. That's my opinion for now. ALSO could always be subject to change. IT DEPENDS.

[RobRoySyd]

I think the LCD connector should be coming out the side or bottom of the unit. The current way the cable is run is a bit of a worry.

[Mark L. Pederson]

And don't forget that Blackmagic HDLink PRO (web link (http://www.decklink.com/products/hdlink/techspecs/)) can offer 2K monitoring in a field (Apple 30" Cinema Display, etc brands...) that could impress any director to see a native delivery resolution IMMEDIATELY because actually the 2K is a resolution that is maximum for almost 98% productions TO DEAL in post and delivery TODAY (film print or digital projection).

ThirdMan -

what 2K signal are you going to send into the decklink to monitor on set?

my understanding is that the HDSDI output will be 1080 - (Stuart?) so .... unless I am missing something -

the only signal you could put into the HDLINK in 2K would be .... a 2K QT reference/extraction from the 4K redcode raw - is that what you are thinking? Just curious of what your intended setup is -

[David Battistella]

Here are some RED Team comments about the EVF and LCD:

“This is the current set up -

EVF Only -

False Color Meter - only in EVF, potential for LCD in future (not a promise)
Overlays the entire image and forces it to monochrome....

EVF and LCD -

Histogram RGB histograms that appear under the main image

Waveform Luma waveform that appears under the main image

Focus “waveform” that appears under the main image

Some or all of these were shown in prototype form at NAB ...”

Stuart
4/26/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2014&page=2



“The EVF will be ready when the camera ships.”

Jim Jannard
12/20/06
DVX User RED forum
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=81730&page=5


“The EVF will be ready when the camera ships in 2007.”

Jim Jannard
12/15/06
DVi
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=81848



“Viewfinder - not optical, but many of the same characteristics of an optical - including SurroundView(tm) the ability to see around the outside of the frame recorded, and also being a true HD viewfinder, provides accurate focus.

Video assist. Is HD, has multiple choices for frame guidelines, supports DVI (using a custom LEMO connector), HDMI and HD-SDI. RED's available HD-LCD panel may be ideal for applications where a compact monitor is desired.”

Stuart English
11/21/06
DVi
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=80097



“Yes, it is possible to have the EVF and LCD connected at the same time”

Stuart English
DVi
10/6/06
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=76929



“Perhaps for the first time on a professional camera, the RED-EVF has been designed from the perspective of an integrated monitoring component, rather than a stand alone device. Although it uses a broadcast standard Hirose connector, its has a custom digital interface based around DVI, which allows advanced signal processing in the camera body, and a high level of communications between camera and viewfinder.

The RED-EVF can't be used with other cameras. Its simply the worlds highest performance electronic viewfinder, specific to the RED ONE.”

Stuart English
3/12/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=900&page=2



“Yes, showing you what's happening outside of the recorded area (just like an optical viewfinder does) is one of the key differences between the RED-EVF and any other electronic viewfnding systems. We call that feature SurroundView. This feature is also supported on the RED-LCD and both the HDMI and HD-SDI based HD Preview outputs.”

Stuart English
3/12/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=900&page=2



“The RED-EVF and RED-LCD are close cousins. They are driven by a common output from the camera that is expressed on two independent DVI based digital video, power and control interfaces. You could think of them both as viewfinders, one in a tube and one flat. You can use one, or the other, or both at the same time.

The RED-EVF has one or two additional capabilities I can discuss later, but essentially either one of them would be fine for camera operation. Both show Surround View, Histograms, Focus Assist, Frame Guides and Camera menus / status. As an example, if you were shooting underwater or on steadicam the RED-LCD would be the best choice.”

Stuart English
3/13/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=900&page=4

I wish this condensed list was on the website. I am glad they are spending their time advancing the product rather than updating the site.

Thanks for all of this. Fantastic list. Eye opening.

David

[Steve Gibby]

I wish this condensed list was on the website. I am glad they are spending their time advancing the product rather than updating the site.

Thanks for all of this. Fantastic list. Eye opening.

David

Glad to help David...

Since December 2005 when RED was announced, I've kept a progressively-updated archive on RED info in my word processing software. There's thousands of documents in my RED archive, all categorized via subject matter. By now, usually it is faster for me to copy/paste RED-related info from my own archive, than to do a search on the search tools of RED-related web sites, boards, and forums. In this case I simply went to my RED EVF & LCD archive and did a copy/paste of the pertinent info for my post. That list was drawn from three different RED boards - RED User, DVX User RED forum(inactive now), and DV Info RED forum.

Again...happy to help...

[Tom Lowe]

Jim any chance we might be able to see a photo or two of RED in action on the "Wanted" set?

[Fix]

Gibby = Lexicon :help:

thx for the info!

[David Battistella]

Glad to help David...

Since December 2005 when RED was announced, I've kept a progressively-updated archive on RED info in my word processing software. There's thousands of documents in my RED archive, all categorized via subject matter.

You have done us all a great service by doing this. I thank you for being so generous with your time and these efforts can only create good karma. This forum has a lot of that flying around and it's precisely because people like you contribute in this way.

Gratefully,
David

[Nick Shaw]

what 2K signal are you going to send into the decklink to monitor on set?

Unless RED upgrade the HDSDI outputs to the new 3Gb/s SDI standard (which would be great) there will be no live monitoring above 1080p.

I heard a rumour that there is an option for 3Gb/s SDI on the F23, so it would be nice if RED had it too.

[Blair S. Paulsen]

The EVF and RED sourced 1024 by 600 LCD should provide excellent on camera options. I am really looking forward seeing the effectiveness of the UI for making subtle adjustments when looking at histograms and waveforms in the field. The commitment of the RED Team to the operator experience means a lot. If Graeme's "magic focus" works as well we all hope it may turn out to be more critical to coming home with great footage than any other aspect of the camera's operation.

3g HD-SDI, HSDL, etc. all seem like inadaquate incremental steps to me. Could somebody please propagate a legitimate high throughput connection topology :ranting2: .

When RED does start shipping 4k monitors and projectors it sure would be nice if we could avoid having to use 8 SDI links like on the Sony.

[Casey Green]

Thanks Gibby, for the EVF post and all of your dedication to helping the community.

[Nook Kim]

And don't forget that Blackmagic HDLink PRO (web link (http://www.decklink.com/products/hdlink/techspecs/)) can offer 2K monitoring in a field (Apple 30" Cinema Display, etc brands...) that could impress any director to see a native delivery resolution IMMEDIATELY because actually the 2K is a resolution that is maximum for almost 98% productions TO DEAL in post and delivery TODAY (film print or digital projection).

WYGIWYS.

What You Get Is What You Seek.

Not only is used in computing to describe a new interaction paradigm in results-oriented user interface,

could be ALSO used in a brand new digital cinema acquisition and production.

Just curious about your plan. Looking at the specs of Apple monitors, I wonder
how that monitor could deliver WYSIWYG quality. Resolution is one thing,
but how about the brightness, contrast, and color representation?
I just recently went through a search to see what options there are for
the on set monitor and for the grading monitor, but it seems like there is not a
single monitor that fits my budget that meets my expectation.

Regards,

[Mark L. Pederson]

When RED does start shipping 4k monitors and projectors it sure would be nice if we could avoid having to use 8 SDI links like on the Sony.

LOL! No chance RED will be that LAME!

[Chris Gearhart]

Gibby = Lexicon :help:

And so Steve's little known past surfaces. Before becomming a sought after DP, he tried a brief but unremarkable stint as spokesman for Lucky Charms (tm) cereal in the 80's. He also did a cameo for the 1970's T.V. series Lost in Space.

That pic is magically delicious, Jim. Thanks.

[Jaime Vallés]

That's pretty much what my setup will look like. Gorgeous... Thanks for the pic! And thanks for all the info, Gibby!

[Mark L. Pederson]

but it seems like there is not a
single monitor that fits my budget that meets my expectation.


you know ... the whole REASON that Jim built the RED ONE, was that no single digital cinema camera met his expectation. Just MAYBE ... RED will do for monitors (and projectors) what it is already doing for digital cinema cameras ... let's all cross our fingers ...

[Alexander Nikishin]

Such a tease.

[Keith Nealy]

I still don't get the handgrips in that position.

Is that suppost to be a "fig-rig" type configuration?

[David Battistella]

I still don't get the handgrips in that position.

Is that suppost to be a "fig-rig" type configuration?

It's not for the shoulder, it's for the tripod. I thought the same thing until i realized how easily it would pan in this position. That is exactly where you might want the hand grip to be.

I might actually place the other grip on the back and to the right to create a two handed panning situation.

David

[Jeff Kilgroe]

The EVF is a little more than 1280 x 720... It's closer to 800 or so if memory serves... I'm not currently able to check my notes to confirm.

1280x848 :)


And I say curses to Jarred's photographic skills... I wanna see some real details. Hehe.

I'll take my RED with both the LCD and EVF, thank you.

[Brook Willard]

Ooo, so now that I'm seeing this on a computer screen... whose base plate is that?

[Greg Voevodsky]

I'd say RED is NOT a Ducati. Rather Ducati like Ferrari are more like the $100,000+ panavisions and Arri cameras. Rather Red is more like the Japanese superbikes at 1/4 of the cost Honda and Yamaha... And like Moto GP with Valentino Rossi - the best Moto GP bike riders ever - has won the last 5 out of 6 years on Honda and Yamaha... so Italian passion and drive as the rider but the affordable and better design of the Japan. RED, however, is good old RED, White and Blue - American. If only Harley Davidson could make a superbike it would be like RED. #1. Now who is the best cinematographer is the real question???? Now, that we know RED will be the best of the superbike cameras.... lol...

[Poi Boy]

OK guys next time you do a photo , please spare the art and give us a fully lit image. what the heck make it a 360 vr against white; we are past the secret stage aren't we ?
Aloha
-A

[Don Woods]

That is so pretty. I could see my self using that set up allot.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Just curious about your plan. Looking at the specs of Apple monitors, I wonder
how that monitor could deliver WYSIWYG quality. Resolution is one thing,
but how about the brightness, contrast, and color representation?
I just recently went through a search to see what options there are for
the on set monitor and for the grading monitor, but it seems like there is not a
single monitor that fits my budget that meets my expectation.

Regards,

30" Apple Cinema Display could be affordable 2K set monitor.
Color grading is another story,
but Apple Color 1.0 could be good enough for a budget indie grading at home studio.

[Alexander Nikishin]

It's not for the shoulder, it's for the tripod. I thought the same thing until i realized how easily it would pan in this position. That is exactly where you might want the hand grip to be.

I might actually place the other grip on the back and to the right to create a two handed panning situation.

David

Why would you pan with the side grips when there's already something invented for just that purpose, the tripod head's pan bar...?

Not to mention, if you panned from the sides, you'd most likely be blocking the focus pullers view as well.

[Michael Ragen]

Keith,
that would be the Fig Rig configuration. It may be useful for tripods, but I've never tried a setup like that on sticks. Hand held though, you can achieve some nice shots that a shoulder mount wouldn't work for.

A couple things that the Fig Rig has over this setup though is that you can sit on the ground and rest the lower part of the "steering wheel" on your legs for low angle hand held shots. Another setup I use for high angle hand held is a Fig Rig with monopod mounted at the bottom of the wheel so I can rest the bottom of the monopod on my belt and have one hand on it and one on the bottom of the Fig Rig so I can get the camera like twelve feet in the air for stationairy or follow shots.

With the Red because of the weight I will probably use my right hand on the top handle and left on the side grip, but with a Supergrip replacing the plain handle. Won't really know how well it will work until November though.

EDIT Whoops. Looks like this isn't really like a Fig Rig setup. The left handle is at the front of the camera and the right handle is by the back of the camera. Didn't notice this until I looked at the new pic on Red.com. Not sure how this would feel hand held.

[Alexander Nikishin]

I still think that nothing's topped this configuration for it's versatility.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8262/91179186962po8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Zk2007]

That camera makes me want to capture images as much as the Duke makes me want to ride.

First when you said Duke I thought you were talking about the Super Duke, but then I saw your Ducati post and I guess you mean Duke as a short for Ducati.
I myself prefer the Super Duke but Ducatis are great too.

[Adam C Lubkin]

I'd love to see a pic of Soderbergh's dialed-in, fully-loaded, shoulder-mounted rig. I imagine the ergonomics of the shoulder pad and front handles in particular will see some refinement. Some pics of Soderbergh shooting with it would be great as well, when the time comes.

[David Battistella]

First when you said Duke I thought you were talking about the Super Duke, but then I saw your Ducati post and I guess you mean Duke as a short for Ducati.
I myself prefer the Super Duke but Ducatis are great too.


That Super Duke is one beautiful machine!

David

[Joe Carney]

At the risk of being bated. The answer is: sort of?

A Ducati is an Italian motorcycle. It's the "Ferrari" of bikes. They lead the racing world in innovation and wins and like Cars and Camera's they look beautiful in RED.

In terms of a brand, Ducati lines up quite nicely with Oakley and RED because they are committed to quality and excellence and style. Some Ducati footage was featured in the latest release of FCP.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/595306/

RED's 120fps will be useful in capturing images of a DUCATI on the track, but I want to take mine on the road to capture stories.

David

While I"ve never owned one, they are beautiful. I think if God were to grant just one machine on the entire earth a soul, it would be a Ducati.
No disrespect to RED meant either.

[David Battistella]

Why would you pan with the side grips when there's already something invented for just that purpose, the tripod head's pan bar...?

Not to mention, if you panned from the sides, you'd most likely be blocking the focus pullers view as well.

True,

But alone that could be a nice smooth pan set up. I hadn't thought of your scenario. Good point.

What I really like is that there is no RED raw port attached to this camera, (unless it's on the other side) so that means that the 4K REDCODE RAW is what that picture is accepting as FULL quality. That, if it is in fact true, is the very coolest news yet.

David

[shaftbond]

What I really like is that there is no RED raw port attached to this camera, (unless it's on the other side) so that means that the 4K REDCODE RAW is what that picture is accepting as FULL quality. That, if it is in fact true, is the very coolest news yet.

David

Actually, that is a good point. Any word on if any of these features are using REDCODE or not?

[Brook Willard]

I personally can't imagine them using anything but REDCODE RAW... I bet they are. :)

[chuck colburn]

Ooo, so now that I'm seeing this on a computer screen... whose base plate is that?

Morning Brook,

I was wondering that also. Looks like it could be an Arri. They always been into that heavy web relief.

Chuck

[Steve Gibby]

Soderbergh will be shooting 4k REDCODE RAW, recorded to Compact Flash. He'll also be using the RED 18-50 CF zoom, and many RED accessories.

Link: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=98197

[David Battistella]

Soderbergh will be shooting 4k REDCODE RAW, recorded to Compact Flash. He'll also be using the RED 18-50 CF zoom, and many RED accessories.


That is what I am talking about!!! That's is great news. When are they going to shoot a feature of this caliber on P2?

This is really, really good news. That is a huge statement about how good the compression algorithm is.

David

[David Battistella]

Why would you pan with the side grips when there's already something invented for just that purpose, the tripod head's pan bar...?

Not to mention, if you panned from the sides, you'd most likely be blocking the focus pullers view as well.


Did you happen to see where the other grip is on the back view of the RED. The shot is on the front page of red.com ... It was cool to see that is exactly where I though tit would be.

David

[Brook Willard]

Did you happen to see where the other grip is on the back view of the RED. The shot is on the front page of red.com ... It was cool to see that is exactly where I though tit would be.

David

And remember... you can always put the grips [and pretty much any other accessory] wherever you want it.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Did you happen to see where the other grip is on the back view of the RED. The shot is on the front page of red.com ... It was cool to see that is exactly where I though tit would be.

David

I still don't see a reason to abandon the pan bar.

It always has been the best way to operate.

The pan bar is directly mounted to the head, and comes in two's if you'd like.

Now, if the RED is on a gear head, the side grips are pointless anyway.

I just don't see the use for the side grips aside from mounting points, which there aren't many of on the side grips.

This configuration on the other hand has tons of mounting points and will be a lighter setup as well.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8651/91179186962el7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The only real use I see for the grips are for what they were originally designed to do, give the operator a front-bottom rail mounted handheld configuration.

I'm sure people will find creative ways to use them, but in the end, remember that %99 of the time a camera is mounted on a gear head, fluid head, jib/crane, steadicam, or in a shoulder mounted hand-held configuration. So side grip operating is a niche feature as far as I'm concerned.

[David Battistella]

I still don't see a reason to abandon the pan bar.

It always has been the best way to operate.

The pan bar is directly mounted to the head, and comes in two's if you'd like.

Now, if the RED is on a gear head, the side grips are pointless anyway.

I just don't see the use for the side grips aside from mounting points, which there aren't many of on the side grips.

This configuration on the other hand has tons of mounting points and will be a lighter setup as well.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8651/91179186962el7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The only real use I see for the grips are for what they were originally designed to do, give the operator a front-bottom rail mounted handheld configuration.

I'm sure people will find creative ways to use them, but in the end, remember that %99 of the time a camera is mounted on a gear head, fluid head, jib/crane, steadicam, or in a shoulder mounted hand-held configuration. So side grip operating is a niche feature as far as I'm concerned.


I totally see your point and it is valid. This will be one of the benifits of the modular design. People will configure the camera for what ever need arises.

David

[shaftbond]

Soderbergh will be shooting 4k REDCODE RAW, recorded to Compact Flash. He'll also be using the RED 18-50 CF zoom, and many RED accessories.

Link: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=98197

Excellent. Thanks Gibby!

[Michael Ragen]

Alexander,
I see your point, but I shot a ten minute short that was 5 percent tripod, 95 percent fig rig. Yes this is not the norm, but it allowed for many interesting angles: 8 inches off the ground pan shots, the camera two feet over my head following, 15 feet up in a tree, etc. Shoulder mount is cool, but most interesting shots are not shot from the natural human eye level in my opinion, unless its a really good pov shot.

EDIT: As far as the 8 inch off the ground shots are concerned, I highly recommend the Miller Solo ENG sticks. I just got some a couple months ago and they are amazing. They go way down to the ground and way over my head (I'm 6'2''). The 100mm bowl version should be nice for the Red. I think they support around 65 lbs.

[Brook Willard]

So I'm sitting on set today, reading through the AC's magazines on the camera cart... when I find this shot from Transformers.

Forgive the photo - it was taken with my phone - but I guess these setups do happen...

[isn't the expression on the operator's face absolutely priceless?]

[Casey Green]

Great photo - thanks Brook. Here's a couple more pics of similar setups from a mag article on Battlestar Galactica. Although these are not quite the same as the Setup in your photo. (low quality pics as well).

Can't wait to see what kind of creative Setups the modular design of RED will encourage.

[Nook Kim]

So I'm sitting on set today, reading through the AC's magazines on the camera cart... when I find this shot from Transformers.

Forgive the photo - it was taken with my phone - but I guess these setups do happen...

[isn't the expression on the operator's face absolutely priceless?]

Looking at that photo, I realize there are times where I wish I was a bit taller
or a bit smaller for walking hand-held shots. This set-up should cover a bit
lower than my shoulder shots very nice. Plus, Red being pretty light weight,
I won't get as much tired as with some other cameras either. Exciting.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Great photo - thanks Brook. Here's a couple more pics of similar setups from a mag article on Battlestar Galactica. (low quality pics as well).

Can't wait to see what kind of creative Setups the modular design of RED will encourage.

Those setups are much different from the Transformers hand-held configuration.

As you can see, the Battlestar operator is shooting the old fashioned way using shoulder mounted front-end handgrips, whereas the Transformers team is using a setup quite similar to that of the RED sidegrips, somewhat fig rig-esque.

Brooke, the day I posted that comment I fianlly looked into my AC and saw that setup, it's as if the operator saw what RED was doing. :sarcasm:

[Brook Willard]

Well, the next time I'm running through a street in LA trying to dodge explosions and debris with a really extreme look on my face... I'll be sure to rig up the camera just like this.

[Casey Green]

ahh, I see what Brook was referring to now... ever cooler! Thanks for the tip. - Yes, much more similar to the Fig Rig concept.

[Jarred Land]

Morning,

Is that base plate a RED item?

thanks,

Chuck

that is the (new) RED 15mm offset baseplate with arri wedge.

[Brook Willard]

Fantastic... another new toy! I can think of more than a few people who are going to love it...