FanBoy BS

[David Battistella]

I wonder about all of this FANBOY BS. There seems to still be many naysayers as RED is quietly making it's move. I don't understand why supporting the vision of RED's creators places you in the category of being a FANBOY.

I've seen this term used in these threads and I do not fully understand what it means or why it is such a problem to positively support someone's vision.

I know that the world is filled with pessimists and optimists, but why is it such a problem to be supportive of a great idea.

I love the fact that RED and the team has gathered to create something NEW. I like that they are trying to push the envelope. I like that they care enough about the product to market it the way they have.

Everything I have seen about RED has been innovative, ballsy and goal oriented. It motivates me too!

What is the problem with getting behind that?

When I read
"FANBOY this" and "FANBOY that" in various threads I always think the same thing. It's just a bunch of people getting behind a real common sense idea, why would you rip them for that. It's not like the RED team has been derailed from the mission. They pushing hard to bring us this very cool product.

In my world cooler it's than the release of the iPod.

Maybe I should have posted this in "off topic". Bu I sort of wanted people's thoughts on this.

David

[Steven M. Bailey]

Fanboy only applies to those who refuse to look at things objectively in the light of events taking place, but the same applys to haters as well. There are plenty of Haters and Fanboys to go around, but this is a fact that shall always be. My advise is to just ignore the whole fanboy/hater thing. By the time it gets to name calling the main objective is usually gone.

I'm probably an objective fanboy. so what? :watsup:

[Tom Lowe]

I'm a FanMan.

[Steven M. Bailey]

I'm a FanMan.

Good point!! but FanMan sounds like a corny villain character from a bad Godzilla cartoon. Fanguy sounds like a shroom. Who would take fandude seriously. like totally. Fanperson is more pc, but who the hell cares.

We may be stuck with fanboy.:gun:

[Darwin]

A FanMan? That sounds fruity to me lol. Nothing wrong with being a fan!

[Steven M. Bailey]

A FanMan? That sounds fruity to me lol. Nothing wrong with being a fan!

"great minds"

[Tom Lowe]

lol, you clowns. okay i can live with "fandude." :)

[Martin Drew]

I think Fanboy is generally used as a derisive term for those who are uncritically supportive. Uncritical support is not especially helpful during the develoment process because it provide no useful feedback. Personally I don't like the term "fanboy" because it is generally used to cause offence.

M

[mdo]

Innovators down through history have invariably been attacked. The more fundamental the change, the more aggressive the attack. It's part of the cost of implementing a disruptive innovation. "Fanboy" is an attack on supporters of Red and, all in all, is fairly mild. Wait til the camera comes out and those on the short end can start nitpicking. There's a lot at stake.

[Mardi_Gras]

Okay now you guys have gotten my attention. First off, Jim's an innovative businessman. We, the early adopters of his w-i-p are mostly working professionals excited about the possibilities that will come with owning one of his cameras.

If we are all able to go through with our purchases as reserved, then Jim's innovation pays off, if not, he may or may not even cover his R&D costs. So my point is, while this whole revolution thing might be a little too big for some to digest, most of the so-called fanboys are in reality, only a bunch of very inspired and grateful professionals and aspiring filmmakers, encouraging Jim, the man with the vision, to see his vision through, because at the end of the day, Fanboy or Haterboy, it's a win win for all.

[Desert Rune]

Fanboys cannot be objective. For this reason, fanboys can be as disruptive as trolls and both equally can do damage to the community aspect of any board because any perceived criticisms from "trolls" results in heated debate. This was made readily apparent when stills from Crossing the Line were posted at Red.com and members gave their feedback.

I agree with Martin in his statement that fanboys offer no real useful feedback during the development stage.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

OMG JIM HAVE MY BABY!
...

Just kind of weird and I see where these 'naysayers' are coming from in a few cases. For instance the 8 page thread offering congratulations on successfully debugging a circuit board.

[Adam Jeal]

Fanboy only applies to those who refuse to look at things objectively in the light of events taking place, but the same applys to haters as well. There are plenty of Haters and Fanboys to go around, but this is a fact that shall always be. My advise is to just ignore the whole fanboy/hater thing. By the time it gets to name calling the main objective is usually gone.

I'm probably an objective fanboy. so what? :watsup:

:biggrin:

Is 'objectivity' ever really possible? - I don't think so. There is no view from 'nowhere' - i.e. everyone sees subjectively (person with a point of view).

Plently of people, especially in the film-industry or anyone with a fixed ideology) will use the 'objectivity' card when they mean 'concensuss'. Esp when they want to 'convince' say,a director to change something for the 'good' of the film! (i.e. - their jobs, perks and the shareholders in that order).

As we have all obseverved following the progress of the Red, the film industry actively hates change and innovation as it undermines a Status Quo that has been entirely devoted to protecting 'legacy' and their jobs.

Hollywood knows that they are in trouble because of the unsustainable way that it does business - and they would probably love a return to the 'good old days' of the studio system as at least then it was them who had the power, not the agencies and stars.

Tools like Red in the hands of talented people will change things. Just not in ways that 'the industry' might predict. On the other hand, they are not going to give up without a fight - although the MPAA and others are really good at shooting themselves in the foot!:biggrin:

Let the fanboys and haters get on with it!

Yours (highly subjectively),

[Steven M. Bailey]

To no-one in particular,

Some people still have that little stardust twinkle in their eyes, that googly eyed "I can't believe that a billionaire guy would actually talk to me" look. So what?

They feel like they are part of something. Something they are compelled to defend to the death for the fear of losing it.

There is almost a sense among the "fanboys", that if you offend the wizard he might go away and take his toys with him. I think Jim probably has thick skin and his Red One will have no trouble defending itself.:sorcerer:

The only reason that I post here on reduser personally, is because I realize how important relationships are in any industry, and I look forward to meeting and possibly working with some of you. I have already learned a lot from many of you both fanboys and haters. I use each term loosely and from the perspective of the other, you know who or what you are.

I am a fan of the whole Red team, not only as they accomplish, but also having treated us with respect as customers and interested party's. I like their business model so far and look forward to see how it works out for the future.

This doesn't mean that I'm not objective.

Let them have their twinkle. Santa Clause is dead and the Easter bunny works for Wal-mart. There are far too few things left in life to get all excited and googly eyed about. let them have their day in the sunshine. let them roll in the grass and savor the moment. Deep down, if you weren't so damn Grumpy and impatient. you might find that you're a fanboy too.:bleh:

[chuck colburn]

Steven,

Good to see that your still alive. Heard it got up to 116 degrees there. Hope your fan worked. lol

[Craig Schober]

there's nothing wrong with getting excited and inspired but it's true that a lot of people (non-red team) on this board write as if they know what it's like to use red in their daily workflow or edit a 4k image. no one really knows so they're defense of everything red or hatred of all red comes off as pretty stupid. red hasn't really delivered on any promises yet except to themselves and their internal deadlines. i'll remain excited but practical until i'm holding the redone.

[Steven M. Bailey]

Steven,

Good to see that your still alive. Heard it got up to 116 degrees there. Hope your fan worked. lol

No Kidding, Its Hot down here. I wouldn't mind a few more "fan"boys running around down here. 116 degrees is immoral at best.:matrix:

Start early and work fast!

[chuck colburn]

Yeah hot here too. Spent a year in a sh*t hole of a town called Bullhead City where during the summer there was a span of five weeks where it never dropped below 100 and a couple of days broke 123. Ain't never noway going back there again.

[Casey Green]

Yeah hot here too. Spent a year in a sh*t hole of a town called Bullhead City where during the summer there was a span of five weeks where it never dropped below 100 and a couple of days broke 123. Ain't never noway going back there again.

"I had to get up in the morning, at ten o'clock at night, 'alf an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill and pay mill-owner for permission to come to work, and when we got 'ome, our dad would kill us and dance about on our graves, singing Hallelujah!"

-Python at the Hollywood Bowl

:)

[chuck colburn]

Heeheehee

[Steven M. Bailey]

"I had to get up in the morning, at ten o'clock at night, 'alf an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill and pay mill-owner for permission to come to work, and when we got 'ome, our dad would kill us and dance about on our graves, singing Hallelujah!"

-Python at the Hollywood Bowl

:)

But I don't like spam

[chuck colburn]

You'll eat your spam and like it.
But never and I do mean NEVER feed the doggie Spam if he's sleeping in the camper with you.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

But never and I do mean NEVER feed the doggie Spam if he's sleeping in the camper with you.

Why do I get the impression that there's personal experience to back up that statement? Hehe.

[Steven M. Bailey]

Chuck,

I'll bite, but not very hard, as I'm not quite sure I want to know:bye2:

[Casey Green]

hahah chuck, ok now you have to tell the story. :)

[chuck colburn]

Halfway up to Hurricane Ridge (Olympic Penisula) during Feburary we got hit by a total white out so I pulled off the road and sat it out for the night. Discovered that I had forgotten to buy meat for the dog (not a good idea and he's my dog) so I popped open a can of Spam and all was good, for about an hour....So I put the dog in the truck cab and he sat there looking thru the pass thru window at me. So then I shut the curtain over the window but everytime I took a peek he was sitting right there staring at me. This is the dog who saved my life once (really) so back into the camper he came. Anyhow it was a lesson learned. lol