RED ONE "Acapulco" in use...

[Jannard]

This is Mark Neveldine (Writer, Director and Camera Operator on "Crank") giving "Acapulco" a test drive. He is bad-ass on wheels.

Camera as tested weighed about 18 pounds.

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1184296513.jpg

[Greg M]

looking good

[Matt Redmond]

Looks like hand-holding isn't an issue...

...wouldn't want to hit a stone though.

[Scott Webster]

Try doing that with a F23...

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Cool. And I was planning to try handheld on hockey skates (ice) as soon as I got RED in my hands. ...This just makes me more anxious.

[Shawn Nelson]

18lbs for what's pictured? I only see body, battery, LCD and top plate. Has the camera weight gone north of 12lbs? If so, no biggie, not grousing, just a Q.

Either way, the picture looks awesome!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Has the camera weight gone north of 12lbs?

I'm kinda guessing here, but we're looking at the camera, top rail/plate, top grip handle, LCD, battery, and a lens. There's also the recording media... RED Drive? I could see where that adds up to 18lbs real easily; and with the camera body itself still coming in around 9lbs.

[Jannard]

18lbs for what's pictured? I only see body, battery, LCD and top plate. Has the camera weight gone north of 12lbs? If so, no biggie, not grousing, just a Q.

Either way, the picture looks awesome!

... and a lens. Might have been a bit lighter, we didn't actually weigh it. Body still weighs 9 pounds. We added up the approximate weight of each part and were conservative.

BTW, he does this at 60mph.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1184297600.jpg

[Matt Redmond]

Time to go to the gym...

[Shawn Nelson]

Oh yeah, lense, d'oh! (this is what happens when I post before whiskey).

So was he recording to Compact Flash or something else?

[Jannard]

Compact Flash.

Jim

[Scott Webster]

Is that a 60mph dolly or a human-car mount?

[Scott Webster]

Jim, are you seeing a preference for compact flash from your testing? Just thinking the film boys are happy with the duration of CF and takes the question of hard drive reliability away.

[Jaime Vallés]

Compact Flash.

Jim
Awesome. Great pics of RED in action. That looks exactly like the configuration I have in mind. Simple, no nonsense. Camera, lens, battery, LCD, CF card. Perfect.

[Shawn Nelson]

Compact Flash.

Jim

Fantastic! Will Compact Flash be available for us first run cameras? Last I read it won't be available till year end.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

BTW, he does this at 60mph.

That's crazy. :w00t:

[Jannard]

Compact Flash will be available with the camera release. An 8GB card records for 4 1/2 minutes. It is a very cool way to go. But there are many times when the RED Drive is a better option. And RED Ram is coming soon as well. Nice to have options.

Jim

note: very few CF cards meet the required speed spec. We will post which ones do, including our own RED CF card.

[Shawn Nelson]

Oh good!!! I'm really, really glad to have that option! What is the minimum write speed that i need to get for the CF to work properly?

[REDHKSC]

Are there any RED mounts accessories for the Cars
( Fer...Lamo...Mclaren ...Proch,,,etc ? )

Rich people has skills life are expensive though !

Stewart



... and a lens. Might have been a bit lighter, we didn't actually weigh it. Body still weighs 9 pounds. We added up the approximate weight of each part and were conservative.

BTW, he does this at 60mph.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1184297600.jpg

[Jannard]

Oh good!!! I'm really, really glad to have that option! What is the minimum write speed that i need to get for the CF to work properly?

300x. But you might find the RED CF card the cheapest ones.

Jim

[Shawn Nelson]

Hell yes!!! Now you know the next question... :-) ...when can we get prices? I'm on final approach for my Red so I'm trying to get everything in line.

[Scott Webster]

For those interested Crank -Making Of (http://www.uemedia.net/CPC/digitalcinemamag/article_15521.shtml)

[Jarred Land]

The other thing that I really like is the modularity aspect of this camera system in action. Balance and control. I am sure that was one of the first things going through Mark's mind --
Andrew

the modularity is incredible. When we were setting this camera up for Mark i put it in his hand and he told us exactly how he wanted to hold it, and we could put the grips where he wanted them.

Its amazing over the last couple weeks how many different configurations we have been able to build with the same pieces.

[Dan Blanchett]

..when can we get prices? I'm on final approach for my Red so I'm trying to get everything in line.

My guess is the prices will fall in line with (or beat) the market at launch-- and these things are getting cheaper every month. Very exciting.


By the way, Mark makes rolling blading look cool again. What a great idea!

[Jarred Land]

and these things are getting cheaper every month. Very exciting.

yes.. that is one of the huge advantages to having compact flash cards as an option.. the consumer industry pushed for faster and larger cards and everyone wins.

[Shawn Nelson]

But Jarred! I want an arbitrary proprietary card that will cost 10x the normal consumer equivelent cost but with promises of equalization "just around the corner" that never come!

[Jarred Land]

well you can always buy a PCMCIA to Compact flash adapter :)

[Casey Green]

Was this a Pre-Production test for Mark's next project?

IMDB shows "Game"(2009)

[S. Um]

60 mph - wow! I'd be afraid of hitting a pothole.

Nice clean camera setup. Looks like the LCD works in daylight.

[Michael Schrengohst]

We want to see what he shot!

[wshultz]

For 18 pounds he sure seems to be holding with a light and balanced grip.

[REDHKSC]

Jim, Flying Cam next shot as well ?

Stewart

[jbeale]

BTW, he does this at 60mph.

Car-towed rollerblading at 60 mph? I am impressed by his willingness to get the shot at all costs; that is not a position you would see me in... Would it be correct to assume that he is not married?

[Andrew Benz]

Car-towed rollerblading at 60 mph? I am impressed by his willingness to get the shot at all costs; that is not a position you would see me in... Would it be correct to assume that he is not married?

I bet he has a great insurance plan.:gun:

[Chris Forbes]

Maybe he is married. But she's not very nice.:cold:

Either way he's what we refer to in the film industry as a lucky bastard. for getting his hands on a RED

[Jaime Vallés]

Maybe he is married. But she's not very nice.:cold:

OUCH! :clown2:

[Steve Tammi]

I bet he has a great insurance plan.:gun:

Until the insurance agent saw that image. :ohmy:

[Michael Schrengohst]

He is probably on the pay as you screw yourself up plan.
If the RED guys shot him with another RED and he wipes
out that would be great marketing footage that RED
could show on "Scarred"

[Shawn Nelson]

Lol, that was my thought too "There is a man with clearly no concept of permanently removing his face via the asphalt"

[Andrew Benz]

Until the insurance agent saw that image. :ohmy:

Hehe... RED handed! Hope your well Steve! Stay cool in Memphis!

[Brook Willard]

Jim, Flying Cam next shot as well ?

Stewart

Heheh, I'm just waiting for that phone call... got a handful of professional camera flyers who'd love to get their hands on it... or their heads under it. ;)

That's a super badass setup, by the way. Did you guys just head out to the parking lot and shoot a bunch of badass stuff or was there a more specific goal to the test?

[Steve Tammi]

BTW, he does this at 60mph.



Get your 959 out and take Mark for a real ride. Wonder if the bearings on those blades hold up at 192 mph? :tongue:

[Nook Kim]

300x. But you might find the RED CF card the cheapest ones.

Jim

Hi,

What capacities are you planning on developing for the first around with
the camera's release? I can't believe you guys still have more things to
impress us.

[Jannard]

We will impress you with many things but not all features will be enabled from the beginning. All upgrades will be easy. Download a file. Copy and load with CF.

Jim

[Steve Tammi]

Hehe... RED handed! Hope your well Steve! Stay cool in Memphis!

Thanks Andrew. Been playing soccer twice a week, 100% humidity... mid 90's... there ain't no way to stay cool in Memphis. Well maybe if I wear some Oakley M Frame. :matrix:

Any more of this stuff and I better PM you. Hope your doing well as well. See you next month if not sooner.

[Steven M. Bailey]

I can't believe you let him touch your camera, he's totally insane. :w00t:

I watched the making of crank and it seems that a crazy camera toting director is a good choice for a test.:sarcasm:

At least you didn't have Michael Bay hit one with a car to see if it would hold up.

Sweet pics. Thanks Jim

[C.H.Haskell]

This is all fantastic news surfacing, I can already feel the wave...the tsunami of RED one in action pix and RED ONE content that is to come.

Oh and Jim,…

When can I order a case of those RED CF cards...?

Keep it coming!

[Andrew Benz]

This is Mark Neveldine (Writer, Director and Camera Operator on "Crank") giving "Acapulco" a test drive. He is bad-ass on wheels.

Camera as tested weighed about 18 pounds.

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1184296513.jpg

Now compare and contrast with what Mark used in "Crank"...

In order to get the most mobility possible from Sony’s F950 cameras, Theodorakis collaborated with Pace Technologies to construct what has been termed the Nano or Nanocam. It is essentially a backpack rig that contains all the elements necessary for one person to power and operate a modular F950 and record the resultant video. The F950 is described as modular because the unit's optical block (the T-cam) is separated from the camera body/DSP processing system. With this configuration, a camera operator holds the F950's optical block with DigiPrime lens and image plate, while the camera body, SRW-1 deck and battery pack contained in the backpack rig are located nearby. The camera head, body and deck are all connected by two lightweight fibre-optic cables.


We are all truely lucky bastards...

[Poi Boy]

60MPH...what a wimp !
Aloha
-A

[Sanjin Jukic]

Cannot wait to finally exchange a half-broken and old Sony FX1 with RED.

Or to jump from the consumer HDV to the professional 4K shooting.

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/sj_portraits_web_old/images/DSCF0049.jpg
That's me shooting handheld with FX1 on the staircases at "Les Jardins du Trocadero" in Paris, September last year.

[Curran Giddens]

A couple days ago my friend was complaining about how shitty their two Sony VX1000's and Sony VX2100 were in low-light shooting. They go out at like 1-2 a.m. shooting skateboarding promos for Red Bull. They are going to love seeing that pic of Mark Neveldine along with the news that RED has successfully tested at ISO (ASA) 4000!

[Häakon]

All upgrades will be easy. Download a file. Copy and load with CF.

Jim

Jim,

I appreciate the continued firmware updates as I believe this is one area where your company will really show the value of the product you sell. Many other companies "abandon" their customers or leave them with heavy bills if they want new/updated features. From day one, I've thought the "making obsolescence obsolete" slogan was one of the best you/your team have come up with!

That being said, I know it's an easy solution for you as you have all of these toys and are able to play with them on a daily basis - but for someone who doesn't have the CF adapter add-on, can firmware updates be somehow applied over USB or the like? I think even with a CF module, I'd rather plug the camera in than have to make a copy of the firmware independently after I've downloaded it. Just some food for thought.

[Gunleik Groven]

isn't there an sd-card slot somewhere for this aplication?
or is it gone?

you could plug in some kinda cheapo card-reader to one of the usb ports, too..

gunleik

[G.A. Kokes]

Hi,

I really like the idea of Red making their own CF card brand, it will certainly take the guesswork out of choosing the right speed / version. Have we heard the last word yet on weather or not the CF card option will accommodate more the 1 card?

Thanks,
G.A

Aurora Coast Productions
HD and 35mm Production Services
Drama, Documentary, Commercials and Events
www.AuroraCoast.com

[Desert Rune]

How about CF RAID?

[PaulClements]

Red CF cards... great news, is this something that has just been announced in this thread or did I miss an announcment earlier?

Jim, do you know what size CF cards you will have on release? 8MB I presume is a definate, 16MB would be great, 32MB would be awesome though.

[number6]

Any quote for what the Compact Flash capability on the camera will cost, or will it be a standard feature?

[Steve Gibby]

Any quote for what the Compact Flash capability on the camera will cost, or will it be a standard feature?

RED Flash (CF) Module is a $500 option:

Link: http://www.red.com/store/show_by_tags/DIGITAL+MEDIA+OPTIONS


RED Store has the current prices for everything:

Link: http://www.red.com/store/

[Craig Schober]

RED Flash (CF) Module is a $500 option:

Link: http://www.red.com/store/show_by_tags/DIGITAL+MEDIA+OPTIONS


RED Store has the current prices for everything:

Link: http://www.red.com/store/

"We will impress you with many things but not all features will be enabled from the beginning. All upgrades will be easy. Download a file. Copy and load with CF.

Jim"


so do upgrades require the $500 option, is there another cf port or can we also use an SD or USB port to upgrade camera?

[JD Holloway]

Good question!

[Steve Gibby]

so do upgrades require the $500 option, is there another cf port or can we also use an SD or USB port to upgrade camera?

A good question that only RED can answer...

RED's overall upgrade philosophy was summarized by Jim Jannard in this post:

"All software upgrades will be free for the life of the camera. All downloadable firmware upgrades will be free as well. All hardware upgrades will be handled on a case-by-case basis. If it is something that fixes a known problem, it will be on our nickel. If it is a chosen upgrade (like a newer sensor), then there will be a charge associated with it. There might be an exception to the rule that I'm not thinking about. The question I always ask is “what is fair?” in the eyes of the customer. Not “can we make a dime on this?”

Jim
3/21/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=897&page=2


My guess is that software upgrades would be available via CF, and potentially SD and/or USB, but I have no knowledge of what RED's final plans are on upgrades.

[Greg Voevodsky]

How about CF RAID?

I totally agree. How about a 4-8 card CD raid module that can be slid in and out very quickly?


Also, I was thinking if all the display info on the back be made modular and thus could be moved to the side. That way the battery and hard drive could fold up tight with the body, and the 2nd AC can still read the info.

I know it might be to late for suggestions, but hey, why should the pros have all the fun?!

[planet e]

in my younger years, i did a lot of extreme blading. for those of you who know colorado, i used to blade once a week from Boulder to Denver and back, about 50-60 miles round trip, depending on the route, of totally unfriendly roads and some pretty sick steeps. i'm sure i had an angel on my shoulder the whole time....it was probably kind of an f-ed up thing to do, but i was in my 20s....big fun charging across speer blvd. before they widened it.

tossing this out as my street cred--i'm having a hard time seeing the advantage to shooting footage at 60 mph on rollerblades. seems like you could get better-looking footage with a stickypod and a car. or maybe this is just middle age speaking....

i'd be very interested in seeing an image from this test, if it is possible. might convince me to dig through the garage for my old skates. the roads seem too rough in my neighborhood to make clean footage, but it might work on the much smoother concrete floor at my studio.

[Don Woods]

I have done that not a 60mph. Mad props.. It will be very interesting how different people set up this camrea. It is a camera that is made custom to fit into your hands. That is very cool.

[Häakon]

so do upgrades require the $500 option, is there another cf port or can we also use an SD or USB port to upgrade camera?
This is what I asked. :-) I'm hoping that USB upgrades will be possible; I'd rather download and update than have to copy the firmware to another tiny card before applying it to the camera.

[Erik Widding]

isn't there an sd-card slot somewhere for this aplication?
or is it gone?

you could plug in some kinda cheapo card-reader to one of the usb ports, too..

You can also plug an SD card reader into a CF slot:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/462559-REG/Jobo_SE9104_SE9104_Secure_Digital_MultiMedia_to.ht ml

We standardized on SD cards for all of the stuff we design here. My favorite camera uses CF cards, and I use this adapter and SD cards instead. Makes an SD card look just like a CF card as far as the camera is concerned.

[Curran Giddens]

This is what I asked. :-) I'm hoping that USB upgrades will be possible; I'd rather download and update than have to copy the firmware to another tiny card before applying it to the camera.

I'm sure it will be possible to use USB for firmware updates (or maybe SD card). I won't have the option to use CF since I'm getting the RAW data port installed.

[planet e]

in a separate thread, jim warns about implementing NDs:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3217

here is RED out in the bright sunlight, and i don't see any device for controlling daylight or street reflection into the camera. is it because i don't see it? or is it not there, in this configuration?

for this type of fast environment will the lenses be able to accept threaded filters?

[Steve Gibby]

in a separate thread, jim warns about implementing NDs:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3217

here is RED out in the bright sunlight, and i don't see any device for controlling daylight or street reflection into the camera. is it because i don't see it? or is it not there, in this configuration?

for this type of fast environment will the lenses be able to accept threaded filters?

RED verifies on their web site that in those photos of the RED Acapulco tests Mark Neveldine was using the RED 18-50 CF zoom.
Link: http://www.red.com/pages/acapulco_test_drive

The 18-50 will accept threaded filters. Those of us who shoot a lot of super-mobile EFP style content with RED One will have a pouch of screw-in ND filters with us. There's no way in those situations that you'll have a cine-style setup on the camera: matte box, drop-in filters, follow focus, etc.

There's a giant world of EFP style shooting that will be done by EFP professionals with RED One - something that has been said since RED One was announced - and something that gets overlooked regularly by straight cine style shooters. Me and many other RED One adopters have been doing the kind of shooting pictured in the Nevaldine pics for our entire careers - often with camera systems much larger than the RED One setup in the pics. We also put them in housings and swim with them, strap them onto everything you can imagine, and use stripped-down setups of cameras everywhere to get the hyper-creative shots you see on ESPN, Fox Sports Net, Versus, National Geographic, Discovery, etc.

Big cine style setups are fine for productions that call for them - but from the beginning RED One was conceived as a scalable, flexible camera system that can be used for a wide variety of cine style and EFP style genres of production.

Again, the setup that Nevaldine is using, and the way he's using it, is very typical of the daily routine for many professional EFP shooters in the genres of action sports and adventure travel. I'll personally be shooting a lot of those types of setups with RED One, as will Sharkguy, Ralph Oshiro, Jeff Kilgroe, and tons of EFP style RED One adopters. Most of us are also experienced at big-setup, cine style production, so we’ll also be doing that when the productions call for it. Why not be as flexible as the camera system allows?

There are definitely times to think outside the semi-stationary, big-crew, narrative cinema, big camera setup scenario. The equipment configuration simply needs to enable the types of shots you are trying to get.

I might add that action sports and adventure travel shooters have to stay in excellent physical shape to get the mobile, highly demanding shots we get. We work out daily and eat carefully in order to continue getting those shots. You'll notice Nevaldine is in good physical condition. He may be a director/camera operator for a feature ("Crank"), but the camera setup, style of shooting, and the skills/fitness required for shooting his feature and the shooting that is pictured, are drawn directly from the EFP production world of action sports and adventure travel.

Welcome to the diversity of RED One production. I’ve maintained from the beginning of RED that very few shooters will have skill sets (and mind sets) broad enough to match the spectrum of what RED One will be capable of.

[David Battistella]

Gibby,

This is an excellent post. I think the RED team have been clear that the modularity of RED will give you more options than PRO or PROsumer camera users are used to right now.

Warning users about things like ND, focus and exposure is a wise thing to do because it prepares us for getting back to what we know. Those with Photo/film knowledge are going to find the RED easy and wonderful.

David

[Michael Brennan]

Half way house between production mattbox and scewin filters is a clip on mattbox.
Any mattbox also offers some protection for the lens in run gun situations.

Sliding a filter out of a clipon mattbox is quicker than unsrewing circular filters.

In a big hurry like when following subject from exterior to interior clip the mattbox with filter inside so the filter has some protection until it can be put in a pouch.

Since NDs are likely to be used a lot in rungun situations perhaps someone can make a box with two 4x4 filter storage slots that can be attached to the RED cage, that way an operator could whip the filter out and store it whilst still shooting.




Mike Brennan

[Michael Brennan]

In light of the discussion about NDs, how far can RED/CMOS go with negative gain?
-9db would be handy.



Mike Brennan

[Steve Gibby]

Warning users about things like ND, focus and exposure is a wise thing to do because it prepares us for getting back to what we know. Those with Photo/film knowledge are going to find the RED easy and wonderful.

David

I definitely agree...

DSLR experience and knowledge should be especially helpful.

I do think that those with a straight film background adopting RED One will be challenged in the area of learning to use and trust RED One's electronic features (REDCINE, Magic Focus, histograms, etc.) and formats (RAW). Overall, RED One's technology pedigree most closely parallels that of DSLRs, followed moderately by video, and is least like a film camera.

[Steve Gibby]

Mike,

I think you raised a good point about clip on matte boxes. I will also have a lightweight clip on MB in my mobile kit. In mobile situations weight is always a consideration. That said, there are some risky or tight quarters shooting scenarios where even a clip on MB isn't practical, and the lighting isn't variable, and that's where a few screw-in filters come in real useful, and if nothing else protect the front of the lens.

BTW - I really like your suggestion of handy multi-filter storage for use with a lightweight clip-on MB.

[Nook Kim]

I'd be really happy to see -12.

[Ivan G]

Just want to confirm. Were the helicopter scenes in "Crossing The Line" using CF cards? If so, would it be possible to use hard drives? I ask because we will be shooting from a heli mount.

[Craig Schober]

Just want to confirm. Were the helicopter scenes in "Crossing The Line" using CF cards? If so, would it be possible to use hard drives? I ask because we will be shooting from a heli mount.

this was posted by jim a few days ago in response to another question:

Originally Posted by Jannard
I do have to clarify... the drives were a problem with the helicopter. They did NOT like the vibration and we needed to come up with a creative solution to make it work. We did not have RED RAM in NZ. RAM (flash) is safer. And you should consider it as a better choice if you can afford it. Another safe option is recording to Compact Flash. Everyone who buys a camera should add this option. I repeat, everyone who buys a camera should add this option.

Jim

[Obin Olson]

OMG you can see that screen in DIRECT SUNLIGHT as shown?? woooohooo!!!!!!!:spidy: :spidy: :spidy: :spidy:

[Steven Parker]

oh man that looks like so much fun... reminds me of my old skateboard 'n' pixelvision days...