RED ONE body color?

[RED Russians]

Just a simple point re the color of the camera body. Black absorbs heat. Why not leave it silver like the prototype (or maybe have black/metallic option). Also any word on the highest temperature it will work at? Will it automatically shutdown to avoid internal damage? Thanks.

[Jeremy Hughes]

I wanted to create a petition to get a silver option. But I never did.

[Priyesh P.]

I option for a electroluminescent coating, so everybody can clearly see the camera while on set and as a byproduct emits it's own light.

[Brook Willard]

I'd love to have a reflective camera bouncing light all over the set.

[Chris Forbes]

The RED camera should be . . . red.

The problem with that is any bright color tends to make the metal look cheap.

[PaulClements]

Why not just buy or make a sun cover for it that reflects heat off of it if it's that major concern. Just in the same way you'd have a rain cover for when it's raining. You could also have a padded one that has silver on the inside to retain heat for in very cold conditions.

... Curt, get your sewing kit out m8 :)

[Finner]

The RED camera should be . . . red.

The problem with that is any bright color tends to make the metal look cheap.

I would not think that is why they would not paint it red. In fact a lot of ferraris are red and metal and I would not say they look cheap.

The problem with red on a camera is it reflects and spills light all over the place. The last thing anyone really wants is a reflective silver or bright colored camera. Cameras are traditionaly black or grey and have a matte finish for some very important reasons. Try dollying past a wall of windows and see how easy it is to hide a beaming silver or red camera.

[Sean Michael Johnston]

How about a build to order option with leather accents like a Leica. Red leather grips on a black camera with a titanium lens mount to match the rails : )

[Priyesh P.]

I've thought over the whole thing a second time. Maybe Jim should rethink his whole concept. The Red was initially planned as a camera, but now we can clearly see that customers demand something with more bling-bling, like a car or maybe some sorta Red-cellphone.

[Poi Boy]

I think we need something akin to a mood ring that changes colors depending on what you are shooting.
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[Zakaree Sandberg]

what brook said... light will be all over the place.. and also.. if you think the aluminum look will stay cooler.. think again.. black absorbs and has absorbent heat. but (I THINK) the aluminum reflects direct sunlight.. thus causing a painful touch as well.. not to mention laser like sunbeams dominating the eyes of anyone who happens to step in its wake.

keep mine black. Im not trying to show off any fancy bling. I want a functional piece of equipment.. besides.. the more incognito the better imho

[Mark Crabtree]

If you are shooting outside in the summer near or over 100 degree ambient temperatures and your camera is in the direct sunlight for more than 10 minutes, you may have heat issues. I know my Varicam has big problems in this situation and I have to take pains to keep the sun off it. This is why Panavision cameras are a creamy white color and why the military painted BNCR's white. But bear in mind that those are film cameras, and not nearly as subject to the affects of heat as an electronic sensor camera like the Red. If there was the option I would want my camera white. When I shoot with lighting, I'm not going to worry that my white camera is going to reflect light for 2 reasons. 1. It will be hiding behind my big matte box. 2. I can cover the camera with a lightweight black cloth. If functionality is your concern, think about how a white camera can shoot all day at the beach, while you will have to boot up and down and do other silly things trying to keep your black camera from overheating.

[Priyesh P.]

please. all of this requests for other colours than pure black are not serious. if you really want to ruin your investment, than grind down the finish and paint it whatever you like - and end up with something everybody will either be mad at / laugh about or simply decline.
red is not a toy or something to boast with (ok, not only at least).

[Mark Crabtree]

I guess you think that Panavison cameras are toys then.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Sheltie.. the red being white, wasnt what others were referring too. They wanted the aluminum finish that was on the prototype which in my opinion is crazy. Panavision genesis = dark .. arri d-20 = dark
my pc computer sitting in a hot room with direct sunlight= dark

[Zakaree Sandberg]

PS. u cant probably make some sort of white heat reflectant covering if the heat was a potential threat.. just an idea:)

[Andreas Fernbrant]

I'd love a matte grey like the first protos!

[Gavin Greenwalt]

My cinema display is silver and when it gets in the direct sunlight I could fry an egg on the back of it.

My black LCD right next to it... also in the sun. Perfectly fine.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

My cinema display is silver and when it gets in the direct sunlight I could fry an egg on the back of it.

My black LCD right next to it... also in the sun. Perfectly fine.

EXACTLYYYYY!!! the silver causes a hotttt reflection.. where black can soak up the energy and wont become as hot to touch

[Michael Hastings]

My cinema display is silver and when it gets in the direct sunlight I could fry an egg on the back of it.

My black LCD right next to it... also in the sun. Perfectly fine.

That doesn't make sense to me unless the cinema display is metal casing and the black LCD is plastic and therefore it is just not transmitting the heat back to you as fast. But if both casings were metal and one white and one black the black one will definitely get hotter.

Because the REDONE is aluminum it will definitely get hotter in the sunlight than white or silver, but the idea of black is to minimize light reflections that can show up more easily and generally the thinking for pro cameras is minimize the potential light problems by making them black. If you are working in sunlight you may want it to cover it with something white.

On the other hand most of the "pro" Canon telephotos are white because they know the will be used most often outdoors. The truth is you can deal with either color by using a covering. But black got the reputation of being "pro" so I think you are going to see that as the first option.

With that said, lenses should definitely be black at least on the frontal surfaces because any other color will show up as reflections on your filters.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Yah, cover it with a after market white something.. anyone up for the task?

[Gavin Greenwalt]

That doesn't make sense to me unless the cinema display is metal casing and the black LCD is plastic and therefore it is just not transmitting the heat back to you as fast. But if both casings were metal and one white and one black the black one will definitely get hotter.


It is aluminum vs. plastic. My point is. Metal gets hot. Really Hot when left out in the sun. Putting a white coat of paint isn't going to necessarily change a whole lot.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Surface color or paint color will have an effect on how hot it gets when baking in the sun, but I don't see where a flat black is going to be that much worse than a white or light grey. Black will probably heat up a bit quicker in most situations, but once it reaches its maximum sustainable temp in direct sunlight, I don't see black being more than a few degrees hotter than white, overall. OTOH, brushed or polished aluminum will actually get hotter than black. Walk out to a parking lot on a sunny day and touch a white car... hot. Then touch a black car... hot, a bit more so then the white, maybe. Then touch a chrome bumper... ouch.

Right now we don't know how well RED performs with extreme temperatures or other environmental factors. I'm confident that RED has been and is still being tested extensively in a multitude of environmental conditions. Why should we assume that RED having a black finish will be a problem? Perhaps it performs just fine with a black finish.

I'm a believer that if the environment is too sunny and hot for the camera, then it probably is for the camera operator too. Use an umbrella and or other protective gear to protect both yourself and your equipment.

[Priyesh P.]

i'd say at least 95% of all professional film /eng and efp cameras were black - @sheltie guy: and regarding white panavisions, i never had the chance to work with them, "only" arri, moviecam, bolex etc. but it's not hard to imagine the problems with reflections on set - just recently David Mullen confirmed this theory. So next to thermal advantages there are some practical ones, too.

[Mark Crabtree]

I am not suggesting that every red camera needs to be white. Only that if the option was available I would order it because I live in a very hot place with very hot sun. To say that a black car would only be a few degrees hotter than a white car after an hour or more in the sun in a 100 degree day is not accurate. Come to Texas with a thermometer and check out these theoretical cars and I think you will be very shocked by the huge temperature dif. I will try this experiment myself in the as soon as the weather pattern here returns to it's normal hot hot.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

To say that a black car would only be a few degrees hotter than a white car after an hour or more in the sun in a 100 degree day is not accurate.

Put a fan and vent in each car and they will be the same.

and besides only a few panavisions have a white CAMERA.. most just have a WHITE film magazine.

an umbrella would work best to keep the temp cooler

[Finner]

only a few panavisions have a white CAMERA.. most just have a WHITE film magazine.

No they don't every camera I have worked with has a mag the same color as the camera. Unless you consider an ARRI 435 with an ARRI III mag on it which does not happen that often and even then the ARRI III mag is black and the 435 camera and mag are grey. You may be thinking of camera barneys because a lot of them tend to be white.


an umbrella would work best to keep the temp cooler

This is the key to working in heat not the color of the camera. I have worked in extreme heat where the only real answer is shading the camera. On the other end of the spectrum I have worked in under 50 below where I had hot pack hand warmers taped everywhere on a sound sync camera and it still sounded like a john deer tractor. You have to deal with weather and color is not a real answer to the problem.

[Priyesh P.]

the last thing I can add to this discussion is:
"There are many dying children out there whose last wish is to meet me." The HOFF

[Finner]

Oh Kalone the Hoff has some other real beautiful quotes like the one where Germany is really thankful to him because he is the reason for the take down of the Berlin Wall. Among many others.

[Priyesh P.]

Oh Kalone the Hoff has some other real beautiful quotes like the one where Germany is really thankful to him because he is the reason for the take down of the Berlin Wall. Among many others.

That's not to be argued. Nobody here underestimates his generous action.
:-)
Except my teacher in elementary school, she had the brashness to call his voice "thin" when he offered a life performance here (of "lookin for booz...sorry, ...freedom").

*lol* But your signature+avatar makes me laugh each time when I spot it