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Andy Jarosz
07-24-2009, 08:26 PM
My Panasonic Lumix GH1 came a few days ago and I've been playing with it nonstop. Below is my review.

In a few weeks I will be selling a brand new U.S. model of this camera. Also, this review was made with the PAL version, which is identical to the NTSC (ATSC?) version except for the frame rates.

My initial impressions of the packaging were very good. The critical components were wrapped in foam and the box made good use of space. While this would not have impacted my opinion of the camera, it's nice to see I don't have to get the scissors and un-twisty tie thirty things.

My initial thoughts on the camera itself was that it is SMALL. Much smaller then you would think it was. While it's the same style as a DSLR, it's the same size as a point-and-shoot. This sometimes causes me some issues, as I have large hands and it's sometimes hard to avoid pushing buttons. You will need a shoulder mount if you plan on going handheld. It's also quite heavy for the size, and for all the hype about "eliminating the mirror box" I don't see a huge advantage to doing it. I would have preferred the optical viewfinder and larger size, and just dealt with the <half pound or so it would have added.

The body itself is fairly standard. Mode wheel on the top, shutter button on the right. The EVF is fixed and can not rotate up or down. This is compensated for, in my book, by the amazing articulate viewfinder. The screen itself is large, light, and thin. I'm almost afraid it's too light, and it might come off. However, it is very high-quality and focusing with it is fairly easy. The EVF, not so much, but still not bad. Lot's of "rainbow" effect when you move your eye around, however.

The menu system is pretty straitforward, and while the settings are labeled, the tabs are not. I am spending a bit of time initially "finding that damn setting." This will go away eventually. It's also nice to know that I wont have to spend a lot of time in the menu, as most everything has a physical button on the camera. This is something sorely lacking in most sub-~$4000 cameras that I do enjoy.

While the lack of XLR inputs was expected for a DSLR, the lack of even a 1/8th mic input is just maddening. Yes, it has a mic input, but it's a 2.2mm 3/32 input. I coulda swore that the electronics gods said only phones were allowed to have those. It's cheap and easy to adapt to 1/8th and then to XLR, but that adds more metal and potential for problems. I'm also very afraid of plugging an adapter into the mic jack simply because I don't want it to snap off inside the camera. This is one of my biggest problems with this camera and I really hope the next version addresses this. To their credit, the onboard mic is actually pretty good.

This is a camera that NEEDS a riser to work on rods. The lens is pretty much in between the rails otherwise.

Speaking of the lens, for a kit lens (and problably the most expensive part of the kit, so does that make it a kit camera instead?) it's actually surprisingly good. It's internal focus with no rotation as you zoom or focus allowing you to be able to use a clip-on matte box, 14-140 (28-280 35mm equivalent) The focus ring is electronic so you will need hard stops to use a follow focus. The focus ring also operates smoothly. The zoom ring, not so much. It's pretty hard to turn, but doable. As expected, there is no iris ring.

But my main concern for this lens, and for this camera, is the lens is so very slow. f/4.0 wide open. This means if you plan to shoot indoors, you need to add more light, firmly planting this camera in the realm of filmmakers only and pretty much blowing any "home movies" crowd that might want to get it. Of course, you could bump the ISO way up and lower the shutter speed, but at the point you might as well just go buy a camcorder.

I had heard horror stories about AVCHD (Funny story: At NAB, a guy with an HMC-150 walked into the Sony booth. A Sony rep saw and goes "An AVC-cam? Can you actually shoot video with that thing?") so I was expecting it to be a hard road. I was moving from a tape-ful workflow. I was surprised at how easy it was to incorporate. Adobe seems to have fully supported these formats and they import right into Premiere, although you still have to render. After Effects also supports them, although AE seems to think it's interlaced so you have to change some Interpret Footage settings. I didn't try with Nuke, but I figured if you are going to be using that, you won't be dealing with the AVCHD files directly anyway.

The image quality astounded me. For such a tiny camera, it sure packs a wallop. I have attached a few images, and I will be posting some videos as well as some pictures of the camera itself in the next few days. The 17mbps data rate does show it's ugly head, however, when low-light situations roll around. The dynamic range just does not seem to be there. Also, as soon as the camera starts moving, all bets are off. The image seems to turn into a painting (I've attached an extreme example of this). And for such a large sensor, getting 35mm-like DOF still takes some work. However, it still produces some great images. The CMOS skew is almost non-existent at 1/50th shutter, which was a pleasant surprise. This seems like a great bridge between the consumer and prosumer world, and in the right hands could produce some incredible images.

Video and more images coming soon.

BigLu
07-24-2009, 08:38 PM
I got to see that camera on set all week this week for a RED shoot it was shooting the same shot the RED was.
i have not had a chance to look at all the footage.
But based on what i saw those days

Andy Id like to buy yours flat out.
Please let me know if you are willing to sell it to me
thanks
Luis

Rudi Herbert
07-24-2009, 08:40 PM
Don't know about the image quality, the crocodile looks plastic...

Andy Jarosz
07-24-2009, 08:45 PM
That's 17mbps for you :).

Luis, I will contact you when I actually receive my second camera that I plan on selling. Panasonic says they will ship August 3rd, so a few days after that. I may be jacking the price up beyond retail, because these cameras are so scarce that's what everyone is doing, so be warned. But it's almost impossible to find the NTSC version, so it may be worth it.

If nothing else, this camera is a fun to experiment and play with.

Roberto B
07-24-2009, 09:29 PM
Also, as soon as the camera starts moving, all bets are off. The image seems to turn into a paintingthis is the most funny thing someone has named the mud.

Roberto B
07-24-2009, 09:31 PM
Also, as soon as the camera starts moving, all bets are off. The image seems to turn into a paintingthis is the most funny thing someone has named the mud.

edit
deserves a 2nd post ehehehehehe

Andy Jarosz
07-24-2009, 09:33 PM
Well, I mean, it's not until you start to really pan fast it that this happens. It's also fairly hidden by the motion.

Heck, the human eye might do that and we wouldn't even know it. We are effectively blind whenever we move our eyes around...maybe this is why :laugh:.

Tom Visser
07-24-2009, 11:37 PM
The panning mud is due to panasonic not supporting B-frames and having such a low AVCHD data rate. I think the lens, although pretty astounding for what you get, is not the right lens and many of the criticisms you uncovered could be ameliorated with the appropriate lens (M-mount adapter anyone? or even the Leica/Panasonic Summilux 4/3 lenses, which are reasonably fast).

The advantage of the mirrorboxless design is that all the components are much cheaper (and smaller / lighter by function) than they would otherwise be, since the lens back to sensor distance is so much shorter. It allows the micronization of the components in general, not so much that it adds absolute performance, just performance per $$$.

I was originally pretty excited by this camera, but I think I'm going to pass and wait for the next crossover design. Panasonic is supposed to be releasing another camera pretty soon, but it might just be the LX3 successor. There will be another MFT design from them before the year is out, supposedly, if not two. Olympus' Pen E-P1 is a much more exciting design. If you like 720p and 30fps support, I think it is a much better execution. I'm looking for 1080p and 24fps, so am passing on that too, although Olympus is supposed to be working on their "more professional" version of this camera and should also be released later this year. Depending on the rate of new camera releases and hit/miss ratio with specifications, I may just end up with the Scarlet and resign myself to wearing a huge fanny pack or something. (Scarlet was always a given, but I'd like something small for casual use)

Joe G.
07-25-2009, 02:59 PM
"But it's almost impossible to find the NTSC version, so it may be worth it."

Isn't NTSC officially gone forever into the history books? Why would it be desirable?

Andy Jarosz
07-25-2009, 04:44 PM
Hey, It's just all the years of saying NTSC that has me in a twist. It's the NTSC/ATSC version, AKA the U.S. version. The resoultion of HD is the same across all countries, the difference is the frame rates.

Andy Jarosz
07-27-2009, 06:15 PM
By the way...

Let's see how this thing holds up after three weeks.

Obin Olson
07-27-2009, 07:57 PM
MADDENING and sad..the 17mbps that is...and PAINFULL to boot.



My Panasonic Lumix GH1 came a few days ago and I've been playing with it nonstop. Below is my review.

In a few weeks I will be selling a brand new U.S. model of this camera. Also, this review was made with the PAL version, which is identical to the NTSC (ATSC?) version except for the frame rates.

My initial impressions of the packaging were very good. The critical components were wrapped in foam and the box made good use of space. While this would not have impacted my opinion of the camera, it's nice to see I don't have to get the scissors and un-twisty tie thirty things.

My initial thoughts on the camera itself was that it is SMALL. Much smaller then you would think it was. While it's the same style as a DSLR, it's the same size as a point-and-shoot. This sometimes causes me some issues, as I have large hands and it's sometimes hard to avoid pushing buttons. You will need a shoulder mount if you plan on going handheld. It's also quite heavy for the size, and for all the hype about "eliminating the mirror box" I don't see a huge advantage to doing it. I would have preferred the optical viewfinder and larger size, and just dealt with the <half pound or so it would have added.

The body itself is fairly standard. Mode wheel on the top, shutter button on the right. The EVF is fixed and can not rotate up or down. This is compensated for, in my book, by the amazing articulate viewfinder. The screen itself is large, light, and thin. I'm almost afraid it's too light, and it might come off. However, it is very high-quality and focusing with it is fairly easy. The EVF, not so much, but still not bad. Lot's of "rainbow" effect when you move your eye around, however.

The menu system is pretty straitforward, and while the settings are labeled, the tabs are not. I am spending a bit of time initially "finding that damn setting." This will go away eventually. It's also nice to know that I wont have to spend a lot of time in the menu, as most everything has a physical button on the camera. This is something sorely lacking in most sub-~$4000 cameras that I do enjoy.

While the lack of XLR inputs was expected for a DSLR, the lack of even a 1/8th mic input is just maddening. Yes, it has a mic input, but it's a 2.2mm 3/32 input. I coulda swore that the electronics gods said only phones were allowed to have those. It's cheap and easy to adapt to 1/8th and then to XLR, but that adds more metal and potential for problems. I'm also very afraid of plugging an adapter into the mic jack simply because I don't want it to snap off inside the camera. This is one of my biggest problems with this camera and I really hope the next version addresses this. To their credit, the onboard mic is actually pretty good.

This is a camera that NEEDS a riser to work on rods. The lens is pretty much in between the rails otherwise.

Speaking of the lens, for a kit lens (and problably the most expensive part of the kit, so does that make it a kit camera instead?) it's actually surprisingly good. It's internal focus with no rotation as you zoom or focus allowing you to be able to use a clip-on matte box, 14-140 (28-280 35mm equivalent) The focus ring is electronic so you will need hard stops to use a follow focus. The focus ring also operates smoothly. The zoom ring, not so much. It's pretty hard to turn, but doable. As expected, there is no iris ring.

But my main concern for this lens, and for this camera, is the lens is so very slow. f/4.0 wide open. This means if you plan to shoot indoors, you need to add more light, firmly planting this camera in the realm of filmmakers only and pretty much blowing any "home movies" crowd that might want to get it. Of course, you could bump the ISO way up and lower the shutter speed, but at the point you might as well just go buy a camcorder.

I had heard horror stories about AVCHD (Funny story: At NAB, a guy with an HMC-150 walked into the Sony booth. A Sony rep saw and goes "An AVC-cam? Can you actually shoot video with that thing?") so I was expecting it to be a hard road. I was moving from a tape-ful workflow. I was surprised at how easy it was to incorporate. Adobe seems to have fully supported these formats and they import right into Premiere, although you still have to render. After Effects also supports them, although AE seems to think it's interlaced so you have to change some Interpret Footage settings. I didn't try with Nuke, but I figured if you are going to be using that, you won't be dealing with the AVCHD files directly anyway.

The image quality astounded me. For such a tiny camera, it sure packs a wallop. I have attached a few images, and I will be posting some videos as well as some pictures of the camera itself in the next few days. The 17mbps data rate does show it's ugly head, however, when low-light situations roll around. The dynamic range just does not seem to be there. Also, as soon as the camera starts moving, all bets are off. The image seems to turn into a painting (I've attached an extreme example of this). And for such a large sensor, getting 35mm-like DOF still takes some work. However, it still produces some great images. The CMOS skew is almost non-existent at 1/50th shutter, which was a pleasant surprise. This seems like a great bridge between the consumer and prosumer world, and in the right hands could produce some incredible images.

Video and more images coming soon.

Andy Jarosz
08-07-2009, 01:44 PM
Reviving this thread to show off this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEY9DVmGrmw&fmt=22

Shot all on the GH1. There are lots of "here's the raw tests!" videos out there, but few films.

Sanjin Jukic
08-07-2009, 02:10 PM
Get adaptors for Leica M (where you can also swap Leica R adaptor) and look for some cheaper and fast Voiglander M, Zeiss ZM or Leica R lenses.

Then you are ready to go to shoot at available light with that cam.

Hope this helps.