Useless # of rails in the Basic Red Production pack?

[explosive]

You get three short rails with this pack.

Now, I have the following gripe with this.

Firstly.
It seems the only way to attach batteries to red with this pack is to push the short rails back such they precariously jut out with only the back 2 base plate clasps gripping.
My question - how safe is this?

Secondly.
Which leaves you with only one short rod to attach... well... you cant attach your top handle any more cause you have only one rail left (it seems to need 2 rails). Which makes the top handle utterly useless...

am I seeing this right? Please correct me if I am wrong. (I hope I am)

Thirdly.
Also this lack of 2 mere long rails makes the following impossible - attaching follow focus. Attaching a matte box.

This pack should really have 2 long rails and 2 short rails to actually make it useful to filmmakers who don't wish to have the cool extra nick-nacks yet still wish to actually use the camera with their gear...

Such that we can attach both battery AND a follow focus if we need to... an extra foot or so of hollow aluminium tubing cant be that expensive to chuck in the basic pack!

[T. vd Hoff]

Nor is adding that yourself.

It seems to me that the setup you want to build doesn't 'fit' in the basic production category and justifies getting the premium pack. If you don't want to spend more on stuff you don't need, you can get that extra foot of hollow aluminium tubing yourself for a few bucks. Right?

[explosive]

Nor is adding that yourself.

It seems to me that the setup you want to build doesn't 'fit' in the basic production category and justifies getting the premium pack. If you don't want to spend more on stuff you don't need, you can get that extra foot of hollow aluminium tubing yourself for a few bucks. Right?

Can you imagine Ford selling a car that way?

"We'll sell you this car, but you can either attach the door, or the battery... not both"
I dont care about the air conditioning, abs, or gps here. But being able to drive about with both a door and battery would be rather useful, don't you think?

hell, even 4 short rails would do the trick. Its the principle behind it mate. The pack is one bar short. At the mo you can either connect the battery, or connect the top handle. So why give BOTH in the pack?

As a side note, I was actually gonna add in my initial post, "Oh, and if anyone says, 'then buy the premium pack' or 'then buy them yourself' I will cyber-castrate you" but opted out. true story. :)

[Stephen Webb]

"We'll sell you this car, but you can either attach the door, or the battery... not both"

Hmm, surely a more direct comparison would be "We'll sell you a car - you can choose either 2 doors or 4 doors". Seems fairly reasonable to me :wink:

[explosive]

Hmm, surely a more direct comparison would be "We'll sell you a car - you can choose either 2 doors or 4 doors". Seems fairly reasonable to me :wink:

As long as its a 4 door car, and they dont give you the hinges for the back doors just the front 2 ;)

Anyhow, all you premium pack people shaddap :biggrin: ... i am trying to cause a rebellion here amongst the proletariat production pack :bleh:

[RobRoySyd]

Rods are not extruded aluminium tubing, they're machined to fairly tight tolerances, ideally have tapered ends and are not cheap. I suspect you can only buy them in pairs normally.
I imagine the pack hasn't been updated to reflect the new design.

[Curran Giddens]

I'm pretty sure all accessories will be available for purchase separately.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Explosive,

I hate to break this to you, it may come as a bit of a shock.. But it was kind of their GOAL to get you to buy the premium pack. You see, no matter how kind and generous RED is, they will at some point want to make a living, and it's clear from the body pricing they are NOT dealing with massive profit margins.

The basic pack is just that: BASIC.. It allows for the connection of battery and a handle. Not much else. There are a lot of people, perhaps even me, that could end up pretty stretched when first buying equipment, and may need to live with the basic pack in order to pick up a RedDrive.

As you have already stated, you are aware of what's in both of them (Basic and premium) just cause you don't like what's in the basic pack is not a reason to chance it.

Sorry, but some things are like that and we have to learn to deal.. Or buy the premium pack!

Yeah I said it...And I'm waiting for you to try!!

:)

Jay

[Brian D. Goff]

As long as its a 4 door car, and they dont give you the hinges for the back doors just the front 2 ;)

Anyhow, all you premium pack people shaddap :biggrin: ... i am trying to cause a rebellion here amongst the proletariat production pack :bleh:

I think this is what you will get:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3269

[explosive]

Rods are not extruded aluminium tubing, they're machined to fairly tight tolerances, ideally have tapered ends and are not cheap. I suspect you can only buy them in pairs normally.
I imagine the pack hasn't been updated to reflect the new design.

Lol, i love the fact that somehow my description of the aluminium tube offended your sensibilities. Surely one can do better than that?

re: the update - I am hoping that is the case sir :)

[explosive]

I think this is what you will get:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3269

Rightio! I am happy with that :) please everybody ignore all the above then :P

Seems the design has changed, yay!

[explosive]

Explosive,

I hate to break this to you, it may come as a bit of a shock.. But it was kind of their GOAL to get you to buy the premium pack. You see, no matter how kind and generous RED is, they will at some point want to make a living, and it's clear from the body pricing they are NOT dealing with massive profit margins.

The basic pack is just that: BASIC.. It allows for the connection of battery and a handle. Not much else. There are a lot of people, perhaps even me, that could end up pretty stretched when first buying equipment, and may need to live with the basic pack in order to pick up a RedDrive.

As you have already stated, you are aware of what's in both of them (Basic and premium) just cause you don't like what's in the basic pack is not a reason to chance it.

Sorry, but some things are like that and we have to learn to deal.. Or buy the premium pack!

Yeah I said it...And I'm waiting for you to try!!

:)

Jay

Nah it doesn't come as a shock mate - Coud've bought a nice car for what this baby costs ;)
But what good is a car gonna do me anyway, yo?

Anyhow, my worry has been answered .. lol - was pissed off mostly that you wouldnt be able to mount the battery and the top grip with what was provided, but apparently you can (=yay). Was looking at the old design diagrams but reading the new product listing... woops

I'll probably end up getting my uncle to make me some longer rods. He is a machinist and has access to all kinds of industrial lathes, drills and funky, loud can-chop-your-hand-off machines.

If anybody is down for cheap rods, lemme know :P

[explosive]

I suspect you can only buy them in pairs normally.

Do they get lonely otherwise?

[explosive]

Lol - know anybody with an extra 1.5k to spare? :P


Explosive,
Yeah I said it...And I'm waiting for you to try!!

:)

Jay

<<<explosive pulls out cyber scapel and commences to sharpen it :sorcerer:

[Sean]

How would one attach the battery and drive WITHOUT either the basic or premium production pack? I'm pretty sure I saw some pics of the Red camera with the battery/drive affixed to the top of the cam (i.e., not extending out the back on rails).

[Jay A. Kelley]

Explosive

Do you have the ability to chance the title of this thread? It's showing up on the RED website and it's doing a little damage.. Since this is now a non-issue for you, you may want to look into it.
Jay

[Karl H]

I think they could at least coat the rods black or something - since the re-design you have to admit that it all looks a bit cheaper.

who cares if it gets the shot... but it's certainly lost some of its sex appeal...

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Any powder coating or anodized coloring on the rods will eventually scratch or rub off. I'm hoping they're titanium... But most likely they're stainless steel, possibly aluminum.

I don't think an of it has lost any sex appeal and I don't think it looks cheaper. The carbon fiber rods were kinda cool, but CF wasn't a great idea for rods.

[tj williams]

Possibly: Rods are usually seamless extruded aluminum tubing which are turned to tolerance on the outside and slightly beveled at the ends. It's simple machining and can easily be done quite cheaply on basic hardened aluminum rods purchasable over the internet.

The RED team has stated that accessories will be available ala-carte showing all these various types and styles of accessories, makes one hope that different styles of handles sliders rod holders 60mm light weight adapters etc etc will all be available so we can customize our camera to suite our way of working.

If there is any mounting accessory which RED does not supply I'm sure there will soon be a number of small mfgs. making accessories for special uses. Already a special RED Steadicam, I'm building a special RED Aerial mount. There will be a lot of stuff because this is a high volume piece which is built to accept accessories.

[Häakon]

I think we've handled this topic as Jarred's new photo of the updated basic package has been posted. I'm closing this for now; if there are further questions they may be appended to a different topic.