NEW IDEA - RED 'RECORDER' for HDMI OUT.

[Greg Voevodsky]

I was thinking of a poor man's RED camera with the current crop of HDV cameras. Most allow uncompressed HD out.

How about a RED recorder which would record the uncompressed HD out in RED RAW and record it onto a hard drive or RAM - basically a RED RAW - FIRESTORE OR CITIDISK for the Canon, Sony, and Panasonic HDV cameras?

I know RED team is busy but after RED ONE is done, this maybe the fastest way to make RED RAW the standard in HD or 4k recording codec.

[Brook Willard]

Is this a joke?

[Teague Kennedy]

Is this a joke?

Why did Red Raw cross the road?

[Jannard]

Greg... once you shoot REDCODE RAW, you will not ever want to shoot anything else. You will never get as good a picture at such a low data rate as this... in fact, the only way you could get as good a picture is to shoot Uncompressed RAW at 300+MB/sec. And you don't want to do that. Trust me.

Jim

[Priyesh P.]

I was thinking the same, Brook.
I mean it's like teathering a DVX to an external MiniDV drive.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

It's called a Wafian HR-1.

[Nook Kim]

Isn't that what the Red Ram is for?

EDIT: Also, I think they are making the fridge for Raw recording as well.

[baro]

How about a RED recorder which would record the uncompressed HD out in RED RAW and record it onto a hard drive or RAM

RED RAW compresses the pixel data before the demosaic step. Cameras output RGB data. So you need to use REDCODE RGB. Good idea anyway.

[Gunleik Groven]

Good idea, if one could record raw, but that's not possible.
That's also sorta counter intuitive.

Gunleik

[Carlo Rho]

I'm looking for a HDMI recorder to use it to record the monitoring output to be able to deliver DVD/Blue ray/Hard disk dailies to the director straight at the end of the shooting.
Any idea? I don't want to buy the AJA IO/HD just to have HDMI-in.

A dream...
a 720p/26" director monitor with built-in an hard-disk and a DVD/BlueRay burner. Sincronized with the camera, recording just takes so no needs of a video assist pushing start-stop button all the time, same timecodes of RED-drive/CF and with a SATA/FW/USB port to copy files straight out the hard-disk if you don't want / can't burn them to a disk.

[Blair S. Paulsen]

My current idea for this is rather cumbersome, though it will ride on a wheeled cart. I would prefer the HD-SDI pipe but will settle for HDMI and I am figuring the AJA IO/HD would be a key piece, powered by large batteries on the cart, with a MacPro lapper w/ 1080 screen and a small RAID.

FYI the last I heard the HDMI was limited to 720p but the HD-SDI when enabled would offer 1080p at 4:2:2 single link and 4:4:4 dual. Of course, as we are often reminded, things will change - count on it.

It should be possible to make a flypack version using Anton bricks and a small inverter (the 300 watt versions aren't very big) that travels in a Pelican.

In terms of getting a RedCode RAW data type out of any other camera the only remote possibility might be one of the DVX or HVX direct off the chip/block aftermarket options - I think its called Andromeda or something like that and is designed to work tethered to a lapper.

[Greg Voevodsky]

RED RAW compresses the pixel data before the demosaic step. Cameras output RGB data. So you need to use REDCODE RGB. Good idea anyway.

Thanks Baro, I was thinking REDCODE RGB, but then RAW was better, but then again you'd need a mysterium sensor and a RED camera...

But a redcode recorder for the 50,000 other HD (not 4k) users who can only afford another $10,0000 - it fills a nitch - that's all and it doesn't compete with RED. ;-) Anyway - thanks for the feedback. I learned something.

[Daniel Gourley]

I'm looking for a HDMI recorder to use it to record the monitoring output to be able to deliver DVD/Blue ray/Hard disk dailies to the director straight at the end of the shooting.
Any idea? I don't want to buy the AJA IO/HD just to have HDMI-in.

A dream...
a 720p/26" director monitor with built-in an hard-disk and a DVD/BlueRay burner. Sincronized with the camera, recording just takes so no needs of a video assist pushing start-stop button all the time, same timecodes of RED-drive/CF and with a SATA/FW/USB port to copy files straight out the hard-disk if you don't want / can't burn them to a disk.

Black Magic Intensity Pro does what you are asking for about $350 if I remember correctly. Output and Input of 1080 HDMI.

[explosive]

I was thinking of a poor man's RED camera with the current crop of HDV cameras. Most allow uncompressed HD out.

How about a RED recorder which would record the uncompressed HD out in RED RAW and record it onto a hard drive or RAM - basically a RED RAW - FIRESTORE OR CITIDISK for the Canon, Sony, and Panasonic HDV cameras?

I know RED team is busy but after RED ONE is done, this maybe the fastest way to make RED RAW the standard in HD or 4k recording codec.

*poor man's* RED?

I have got the visuals already.

Man busks on corner of Metropolitan city. He cradles his RED ONE in one arm. The other holds up a cardboard sign that wavers slightly in a way that says, 'malnourishment' (or possibly, 'delusions of grandeur').

The sign reads: "Can y' spare a few 1000 for a down and out indy filmmaker? Will accept donations of lenses, follow focuses, and/or designer pants. Receipt given, tax deductible."

Of course the actual homeless guy next to him will be furious at the unfair competition, and limps away to a new corner in frustration. Spitting out insults, and muttering something about 'imminent attack chimps'.

[Roxco]

Black Magic Intensity Pro does what you are asking for about $350 if I remember correctly. Output and Input of 1080 HDMI.

Intensity Pro has analog inputs too. It's only $250 for HDMI-Only version, but you still need a New Mac Pro Tower with 3 Terabytes of striped internal storage for uncompressed HD.

No proof yet that it will work with the RED's HDMI output or what length of cable could be used and don't forget that HDMI is not a locking connection.

Oh well - Gaffer's tape already holds together half of Hollywood,

Rosco

P.S. Guess what holds together the other half?

[David Battistella]

Didn't someone ask if this thread was a joke?


david

[Nik Manning]

I think it is a marvelous idea. A battery powered device that captures live from hdmi/hdsdi to redcode. Makes perfect sense. 1 example is if you have a 2 camera shoot , but 1 isn't a RED camera. Well use the device to capture straight to the RED codec which will make your workflow alot easier. Kind of like th wafian but for redcode and cheaper like the ioHD.
No I am not joking.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

*cough* Codex *Cough*

[Jeff Brue]

Don't know if anyone's looked at an HD-SDI tap off a bayer pattern camera but it normally looks like crap (phantom, Dalsa, SI) there are reasons for capturing the bayer data...mostly to do with nothing at the moment can beat doing the demosaicing in post.