RE : To Buy Red Pro Prime or Zeiss Super Speed Lens ?

[Tan Heng Yuen]

Can anyone advise me the different between :-

RED PRO T1.8 PRIME SET
( Includes: 25mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm, 100mm @ the cost of USD 19,000 )

or

ZEISS SUPER SPEED T1.3 SET MK 2 or 3
Includes: 18mm,25mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm @ the cost of around USD 30,000 to USD 45,000

which is is better to use on RED ONE camera . And also can the RPP to be use in ARRI 435 camera ? Cost vise, lens sharpness , lens coating and more technically.

Which is the best to buy..
Your advise will be much appreciated .

[Raul Gonzo]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=31477&highlight=salt+tests

[donatello b]

have you read the SALT (lens) test ?

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=31477

1) how often do you need T 1.3 ?
2) does the physical size of the lens make a difference to you ?
3) $19k vs. 30-45K ? which really fits your wallet ?

[Yousuf Abbasi]

Although I've not tried RPP, I think it could be heavy for steady-cam and hand-held work, as the lenses are 5-6 lbs. Additionally, Zeiss are faster at T1.3, and are hence more versatile in lower light situations. I've also heard that markings on the RPP are too coarse. Cost wise, you pay a premium for the Zeiss but get a "time-tested" product.

As far as detailed comparisons/results, read the SALT tests.

Hope that helps!

[Stephen Williams]

Hi,

If you wait a few months the super speeds could well fall in cost substantially. I remember when a set for $18,000 was rather expensive.

Stephen

Edit You will need an 18mm lens in addition to the Red set in any case.

[Yousuf Abbasi]

Hi,

If you wait a few months the super speeds could well fall in cost substantially. I remember when a set for $18,000 was rather expensive.



Just curious why you think cost of speeds will fall "substantially" in the next few months?

[Cüneyt Kaya]

hm...because when epic and scarlet is here, you need a 32 mm image circle for full coverage.

maybe?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Lots of new lens options entering the market. The price of super speeds has already started to fall. It's going to be difficult to charge prices over $20K for an old set of speeds when the RED primes are $20K, a nice set of new T1.3 Illuminas are $35K...

The bubble has already burst, I'm already seeing nice sets of older speeds dropping below $25K.

[Tan Heng Yuen]

Lots of new lens options entering the market. The price of super speeds has already started to fall. It's going to be difficult to charge prices over $20K for an old set of speeds when the RED primes are $20K, a nice set of new T1.3 Illuminas are $35K...

The bubble has already burst, I'm already seeing nice sets of older speeds dropping below $25K.

Any idea where can i get those $25K high speed lenses ?

Yuen

[Evin Grant]

They don't exist, except converted B speeds.
I don't thnk the RPPs will affect used prices much if at all.
They are fine lenses, but the older Zeiss hold thier own quite well and are proven.
Also any lens with an S35mm coverage circle will cover the Epic sensor in 16:9 and 2.40 ratios. The only ratio that requires 32mm is 2:1 and that's including look around.

[Evin Grant]

They don't exist, except converted B speeds.
I don't thnk the RPPs will affect used prices much if at all.
They are fine lenses, but the older Zeiss hold thier own quite well and are proven.
Also any lens with an S35mm coverage circle will cover the Epic sensor in 16:9 and 2.40 ratios. The only ratio that requires 32mm is 2:1 and that's including look around.

[Larry McKee]

Any idea where can i get those $25K high speed lenses ?

Yuen

There is a set on eBay - although the 16mm doesn't really qualify as high speed.
http://tinyurl.com/n7opdh

[Jeff Kilgroe]

They don't exist, except converted B speeds.

Oh, ye of little faith... They do exist, you just have to keep your eyes open. Pretty hard to find, but they're out there and prices are starting to fall. A nice set of MKIII's is down to less than $40K in many cases from close to $50K 6 months ago -- when the prices were close to new set of Ultras. The couple sets I've seen under $25K were not converted B-speeds... Those have been available in the sub $25K range for some time now, when they used to be like $15K...

I can't direct anyone to any specific available sets at the moment, I just know of a couple sets that have changed hands over the past few weeks and I know that prices have been seeing a downward trend (a slow one) since NAB. Then again, perhaps people are more willing to sell cheaper due to our recent economic climate. It also helps to look outside the major rental markets such as LA/Hollywood, NYC, etc..

Yes, the older Zeiss glass is proven and will hold its value just fine. I don't expect the RPP's or any other glass to cause any radical shift in the market in that regard. But I do expect that with all the new options entering the market that older Zeiss glass prices will settle back down to what they were a few years ago before the price bubble.


Also any lens with an S35mm coverage circle will cover the Epic sensor in 16:9 and 2.40 ratios. The only ratio that requires 32mm is 2:1 and that's including look around.

I think you transposed your 16:9 and 2:1...
:emote_hippie:

[Evin Grant]

No, the native aspect ratio of The S35 Epic is 2:1 (30x15mm) therefor 2:1 will require the largest possible image circle.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

No, the native aspect ratio of The S35 Epic is 2:1 (30x15mm) therefor 2:1 will require the largest possible image circle.

Ooops, you're right. I keep forgetting that, can't get my brain to accept it's not 16:9.