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Desert Rune
07-31-2007, 09:38 AM
Choose carefully...

Kevin Halverson
07-31-2007, 09:39 AM
A visionary leader behind the company.

Stephen Webb
07-31-2007, 09:41 AM
A visionary leader behind the company.

A sycophantic following willing to kiss ass at every given opportunity...

Desert Rune
07-31-2007, 09:41 AM
A visionary leader behind the company.
Agreed. That would be my first choice, too. However...

Ramesh Jai
07-31-2007, 09:46 AM
A sycophantic following willing to kiss ass at every given opportunity...
LOL! Almost reaching a cult status!

Jason Francois
07-31-2007, 09:47 AM
LOL! Almost reaching a cult status!

I love purple Kool-aid.

Paul Hazlett
07-31-2007, 09:48 AM
Visonary leader would have been my choice as well, but given the poll as it stands, I think the truly amazing thing is we are getting all this for less than
the cost of most camera bodies.

Second in the Redcode raw which really puts the whole package in its own league

Paul Hazlett
07-31-2007, 09:50 AM
I love purple Kool-aid.

dude...you got purple Kool-Aid....wrong pitcher. Call your doctor, now

Nils Ruinet
07-31-2007, 09:52 AM
Price.
The best camera is worth nothing if you can't afford to use it...

Then, I'd say 4K, Redcode RAW which allows us to shoot 4K on normal lightweight drives, and modular design, so versatile.

Rocket
07-31-2007, 11:21 AM
I wish we could choose more than one. I'd say 4K first, then price.

How about 35mm sized sensor? That rates pretty highly for me also.

Steve Gibby
07-31-2007, 11:26 AM
Didn't vote...

If "multiple genre utility" was one of the choices I would have voted for that.

Ramesh Jai
07-31-2007, 12:07 PM
Funny, I never looked beyond the fact that I could directly connect cine lenses to a DV camera and get the film look with shallow DOF. You can never really tell an engaging story with everything in focus. For me that is all that matters. Then the price factor.. it is reasonable.

Curran Giddens
07-31-2007, 12:07 PM
Price.
The best camera is worth nothing if you can't afford to use it...

Then, I'd say 4K, Redcode RAW which allows us to shoot 4K on normal lightweight drives, and modular design, so versatile.

I agree.... The price is key for me.

Friedrich Moser
07-31-2007, 12:40 PM
Unable to vote - for me it was the mix of all these.

If the camera body cost the double, I still would buy it, because of the features, the workflow, the modular design, the possibility to use a wide range of lenses, to upgrade firmware and software as development progresses...
I just have the feeling that we all are little boys (any females in this forum?) under the tree at christmas eve with our eyes wide open and shiny, because Santa popped in 5 times instead of once with a bag of goodies so huge we never even dared to dream of... at least, this is how I explain the RedOne to friends of mine who aren't in this profession. This explanation always has worked, so far.

And of course, Santa is Jim ;-)

J. Bernard Vallon
07-31-2007, 12:47 PM
I dont know...this is hard. I think Redcode RAW because without it, shooting the full quality of 4k footage wouldnt be a reality for anyone except people with money. Even if the camera cost 100k, someone small could rent it and shoot RAW.

Champe Barton
07-31-2007, 12:49 PM
Can't decide. I hate multiple choice questions.

Paul Hazlett
07-31-2007, 12:53 PM
Didn't vote...

If "multiple genre utility" was one of the choices I would have voted for that.

MGU huh....I like it...gonna take my MGU and pack it in my SUV and go shoot some ENG OR EFP MOS for ABC or CBS but never ESPN...too many letters

Craig Schober
07-31-2007, 01:05 PM
i voted for redcode raw because it really dictates the status of all the others. without redcode, the camera would require huge and expensive capture devices bringing its price into the 6 digit arena. redcode also makes 4k (only 27 mb/sec) and 2k (only 7 mb/sec) acquisition not just affordable but possible. modular design might just become the most valuable asset over time but right now there aren't too many more options and configurations available that aren't available for most other cams. this could all change if red offers a user replaceable 8k cmos sensor down the line.

Jason Murphy
07-31-2007, 01:15 PM
You can never really tell an engaging story with everything in focus. For me that is all that matters.

Obviously, you've never seen Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) or Rules of the Game (Jean Renoir, 1939), two of the greatest films of all time. They were almost all shot in deep focus, and were watershed moments in the art of cinematography.

Steve Gibby
07-31-2007, 01:24 PM
MGU huh....I like it...gonna take my MGU and pack it in my SUV and go shoot some ENG OR EFP MOS for ABC or CBS but never ESPN...too many letters

LOL...BTW IMO ESPN R-O-C-K-S! :biggrin:

Ramesh Jai
07-31-2007, 03:36 PM
Obviously, you've never seen Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) or Rules of the Game (Jean Renoir, 1939), two of the greatest films of all time. They were almost all shot in deep focus, and were watershed moments in the art of cinematography.
You are right. I haven't seen any of the two. Everyone has his/her style and opinion. Mine just happens to differ from yours.

Craig Bowman
07-31-2007, 03:41 PM
Without Redcode RAW the cost and the pain of dealing with massive files would have simply shown up in post; more than offsetting the price of the camera.

GlennChan
07-31-2007, 03:59 PM
Hmm low noise and dynamic range doesn't make it onto this list? / Or very good image quality (which is a combination of a number of things, including some of the signal processing going on in Redcine).

2- Compressed RAW isn't quite unique to Red as the SI-2K is doing the same idea. (Of course, not at 4K.)

Joe Aurili
07-31-2007, 04:14 PM
I think Red One's greatest asset is me, because the world revolves around me, right??? :) But I voted for REDCODE RAW, because I would not be able to afford the equipment to edit in 4K if this did not exist, no mater how inexpensive the camera was...

Ivan G
07-31-2007, 04:44 PM
Ask yourself, If Sony releases a 4K, Red Code Raw, multiple lens mounts, etc camera? Do you think they would sell it for $17,500? It's definitely the price, at least for me. Let's start a new poll! :sorcerer:

Eirik Tyrihjel
07-31-2007, 05:13 PM
Itīs definetly the combination that is key...

I voted price, but price would have meant nothing if I couldnīt deal with the material in post, affordably (hence REDCODE RAW), and although I could have lived with normal HD, or better yet 2K, 4K is the ultimate caramel - even though it might therotically only be 3K... (i donīt care as long as I can Downres to 2K!)

Ramesh Jai
08-01-2007, 01:43 AM
Ask yourself, If Sony releases a 4K, Red Code Raw, multiple lens mounts, etc camera? Do you think they would sell it for $17,500? It's definitely the price, at least for me. Let's start a new poll! :sorcerer:
Reading your post and quite a few other similar posts I have come to the conclusion that Sony is not a popular company. We do buy their products but feel cheated by them. Am I wrong?

Emanuel A.
08-01-2007, 03:21 AM
How about 35mm sized sensor? That rates pretty highly for me also.I believe this would be my 2nd choice after the price (40% is a relevant poll figure), sure. Or then, both on the same basket included.

Yash Keough
08-01-2007, 05:02 AM
I go with REDCODE RAW because this feature makes 4K actually a viable option due to it being relatively simple to work with, thus bringing the digital world of filmmaking, generally more accessible to indie filmmakers than film, up to the quality standards of film, and indeed in many cases surpassing them. Dalsa has 4K, but they offer no reasonable means of recording data and handling it. 2K @96 fps sounds pretty sweet but from reading the boards over the last year or so it seems like most people are interested in RED for their own feature projects, in which case 4K is probably a better option in most scenarios. That said, it really is all those features put together at the price point of RED that make it such an appealing camera. :-)

roryhinds
08-01-2007, 05:16 AM
35mm Depth Of Field

Frank Weeks
08-01-2007, 06:00 AM
I voted price but the right answer is "all of the above'

Ramesh Jai
08-01-2007, 08:24 AM
35mm Depth Of Field
Me too. I just love the look. And the price.

Pierce Cook
08-01-2007, 08:35 AM
Perhaps it should be noted that Jim voted for REDCODE RAW, which is awesome.

Desert Rune
08-01-2007, 11:16 AM
Hmm low noise and dynamic range doesn't make it onto this list?

Those are benefits of the Mysterium sensor. I guess you can choose 4K as your poll choice, although low noise/dynamic range could be as a result of REDCODE RAW too.

Zach Hilton
08-01-2007, 11:40 AM
I voted for REDCODE RAW since it's part of what them do all of the others. But, I agree with everyone else...they are all #1 assets to me!

REDHKSC
08-02-2007, 11:00 AM
Besides BLUE - ( Sxxy ) , GREEN - ( Grass ) and RED - ( ONE ) and to all leaders that 's is Super Natural with options.
Cheers,

STEWART

Illya Friedman
08-02-2007, 06:27 PM
Dalsa has 4K, but they offer no reasonable means of recording data and handling it.

This is 100% false.

I.

Desert Rune
08-02-2007, 06:31 PM
Depends on your definition of 'reasonable'.

Jeff Kilgroe
08-02-2007, 06:47 PM
RED One's greatest asset???

I would say it's Jim and the rest of the RED team and their willingness to listen to end users about what we want. Sorry, couldn't vote, didn't see this choice up there.