Poll : who's interested in 19mm rod mounts for Red Rock products

[Damien Molineaux]

I just had an exchange of e-mails with Brian Valente at Red Rock, I wanted to know if they were going to offer 19mm rod mounts for their Mattebox and Follow Focus. It is not planned as of yet, however they would consider it, if the demand was sufficient. I don't know if you've seen their Mattebox, but it looks sweet and is expected to be very agressively priced.

I would rather mount these products directly on the 19mm rods of my Red one than have to deal with a 15mm rod adaptor.

show your interest (or not) and vote !

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Sorry I had to move this to the OT section, but that's kinda where all the third-party hardware discussion ends up.

Anyway, I think it makes sense for RR to go with the 15mm rod mounts as that will account for the majority of their market. So, IMO, it's more of a question of what adapter you would like (19mm to 15mm rod adapter or 15mm to 19mm mount adapter) and who you want to supply it.

If the RR mattebox turns out to be a great product for the price and very comparable to more expensive designs like the Arri MB-20, then I'm sure they'll see enough demand to justify the 19mm mount. I know there's a lot of budget-conscious RED guys out there -- I'm one of them. But I think most of us will still end up buying the best MB solution to fit our needs and not make this decision purely off of price. In the end, I'll suck it up and find a way to squeeze an MB-20 into the budget if it still turns out to be the best option for my RED kit.

[Damien Molineaux]

Hi Jeff,

No problem, I guess it is a little OT, however if most Redusers are like me, they don't go in the OT section very often, (although we probably should).

As to your point, well it all depends of each and everyone's budget. I'm one of those indie filmmakers stepping up from HDV and DVCproHD production. So I plan on building my setup bit by bit. As important as a Mattebox is, an Arri doesn't fit in my budget yet. In the meantime I'm looking at what the other solutions are, my decision won't be merely taken according to price, but from a value standpoint. I'm eager to see how the RR Mattebox turns out.

Cheers,
Damien

[Jeff Kilgroe]

As to your point, well it all depends of each and everyone's budget. I'm one of those indie filmmakers stepping up from HDV and DVCproHD production.

I'm coming from the same place. Can't wait to unload that HVX200. ;)

As for the Mattebox, I'm very interested in what RedRock has come up with, it does look promising. I will wait to see what Curt/ViewFactor comes up with before I make my decision. I really can't justify the ARRI in my budget either, but if it comes to that, I'll find a way to make it fit. Only because I'd rather find a way to buy a $3500 piece of hardware that will perform as it should than a $1800 piece of junk that always has issues. The RedRock at $500 though looks like a winner and I may end up owning one regardless of my final decision on other matteboxes.

I don't think a 19mm to 15mm rod adapter will be a problem in most situations. AFAIK, the RED premium production pack includes the adapter. Red Rock may offer 19mm rod mounts for the mattebox at some point, but I think there's more to it than that. We also have to consider their FF and remote motor unit. 15mm rod mounts there too. So I think the day they opt for 19mm mounts will be the day they decide to offer it across their whole product line.

But yes, I would like to see them offer 19mm mounting on all their gear. If they can find a way to offer it, that would be best and it should increase their marketability too.

[Damien Molineaux]

I just found out View Factor had a MB in the works. The competition is heating up. If the RR doesn't live up to expectations hopefully the VF will. I'm looking forward to both their products. Hopefully they'll have working prototypes out soon. However, it seems VF is very busy with their FF remote and that their MB will be released after the RR. Maybe that'll allow them to improve on any flaws the RR might have.

Message to Curt, are you planning on making your mounts 19mm ?

I'm a little worried about some products being for 15mm and others 19mm and wanting one of each.

Cheers,
Damien

PS That's a lot of abreviations : RR, FF, MB, VF

[donatello b]

IMO BOTH products will be very good and there's plenty of room in the market place for both ... i think the final decision for most will come down to they prefer one or one fits their system better then the other ...
anyway you look at it the more NEW products with affordable prices for us to choose the better for all of us !!

[Roberto B]

done

voted yes

[Alexander Nikishin]

Actually, from my understanding Redrock has been planning on having both 15 and 19mm mounts for their upcoming mattebox, atleast that's what Brian kept telling me.

[Damien Molineaux]

Well... maybe they're reconsidering, because they think the demand isn't high enough ?

Brian wrote to me that for the forseeable future they would be offering 15mm brackets, and if interest is high enough they will consider 19mm.

The reason for my poll.

Cheers,
Damien

[Brian Valente]

Alex

mmmm... I don't recall saying we would have 19mm rods :) I did say it will be compatible with Red One and Red lenses. Earthling has the correct info that 15mm is here today and will certainly be here tomorrow. 19mm is a possibility, just depends on what people want


Brian

[Alexander Nikishin]

My mistake, I guess I was just hearing what I was wishing for. :sorcerer:

[Brian Valente]

and I hear what you are wishing for :)


B

[Harmonica]

I don't know how I missed this one. Count me in, Brian. How could anyone be against having more options, not to mention not having to use an annoying adaptor? Vote "Yes" for 19mm!

[Brian Valente]

Got it - thanks everyone for the input (and also the PMs). Just FYI the microFollowFocus works great with the existing Red lenses on 15mm rods with the Red 19-15mm rod adapter.

Brian

[Steve Tammi]

FYI, the RED premium production pack doesn't exist anymore. However, RED does sell a 15mm adaptor.

Steve




AFAIK, the RED premium production pack includes the adapter.

[David Mutchler]

Count me in as well Brian, I'd like to see 19mm MB & FF! And I have two Red's reserved.

[C.H.Haskell]

So I am in a jam to adapt my redrock FF to my 19mm RED rails to work with my RED 18-50mm. Any ideas solutions or quick fixes for this that does not involve me switching back 15mm? Thanks!

[Johann Schulz]

Haskell, you hit this thread almost a year after the last post. But YOUR post is absolutely relevent.

My Dad was a machinest and could make anything you needed. I wish he was here, now. For me, of course, but maybe you'll have to find a person likewise....

[C.H.Haskell]

Johann, I wish your old man was here to...any other machinist you could refer me to? I am playing the the RedRock FF and trying to mount to the RED 18-50 but the lens hood gets in the way of the RedRock design anyways. Unfortunately we dont have any budget for this 48 hour film madness so getting a MB20 and Arri FF is pretty much out of the question.

[Brian Valente]

Haskell et al

We do have a newly designed drive gear that we're showing at cinegear this year that may address your needs. It is slightly larger diameter and the gear is closer to the gearbox, so it's not as wide. Also an improved design on the mounting mechanism including "D" insertion connector and metal center.

http://www.redrockmicro.com/cartpics/microFF_drivegear_mod8_sm.jpg


Brian

[Mitch Gross]

Do you need an adaptor to mount a lightweight 15mm 60mm center-to-center device on 19mm 100-4mm center-to-center rods? This is a common item and we have them available for sale. We also have them to adapt lightweight to 15mm 100mm center-to-center rods.

[Raul Gonzo]

brian- would you list everything one might need to for their Red One, 18-50 mm lens. Follow focus and your mattebox together?
Thanks!

[C.H.Haskell]

Thanks Brian, So I take it this new gear allows the redrock FF to make contact with the RED 18-50mm focus ring? If this is the case then can I get one now??? Thanks!

[Brian Valente]

Hi Haskell

I haven't had a chance to use the 18-50mm lens, but if the redrock microFF needs to be a little closer to the lens gear, or if the microFF gearbox was bumping into something, then yes it will do the trick.

Drive gears should be available for purchase in limited quantities at Cinegear (plan on bringing some for anyone who wants to pick them up).

[C.H.Haskell]

Unfortunately I can not make it to cinegear as I am in NYC, I would need this solution before June 20th. Thanks for the input and yes, the gear box bumps into the RED 18-50mm hood on the front the lens so a larger gear would fix this for sure.