Panavised RED?

[Chris Nuzzaco]

I know a guy in my area who owns a "panavised" Arri camera (Arri 3 or something, its an genuine oldie from the looks of it). Does anyone know if Panavision has been talking with Red about panavising the RED One? That ought to be interesting....

[Jaime Vallés]

IMO they'd be dumb not to. However, that would directly compete with their digital baby, the Panavision Genesis.

It sure would be sweet seeing 4K footage shot with Panavision glass, though...

[Chris Nuzzaco]

I wonder how hard it would be to make the mount on your own. I've seen different cameras that have been modified to accept panavision lenses, but I don't know how or who put them on.

[Evin Grant]

I think I heard somewhere that Pany has a few reservations. The Genesis would make a good B cam to my Red.

[R. Gonzales]

I think I heard somewhere that Pany has a few reservations. The Genesis would make a good B cam to my Red.

Wow, Of course this is a rumor but I was told from one in the inside that a certain engineer described the Red One as nothing more than smoke and mirror and thus Panny's (plus eight) lost their reservations for the cameras.

I stress that this is just a rumor I heard.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

I think I heard somewhere that Pany has a few reservations. The Genesis would make a good B cam to my Red.

LOL.

I wonder if Panavisions digital future is lens rental only. I mean really, film is now, but 10 years from now, post Red One... Can't help but wonder, and I'm sure they have been looking into this for some time now too. Maybe just lenses and accessories (matte boxes, follow focus, etc.) or perhaps they will just start renting Panavised digital cameras from other manufacturers, and thats the only way you can enjoy their glass. Seems a bit silly to me really, I think they are gonna have to seriously think about actually selling products instead of rental only, the market is becoming much more "owner operator" now with respect to cameras.

[Evin Grant]

Oh boy, a set of Primos of my very own! Well if JL Fischer can start selling dollys then anything's possible.

[Jaime Vallés]

...the market is becoming much more "owner operator" now with respect to cameras.

I don't know about that... Sure, we're all buying RED cameras, but the next Spiderman movie will be shot using rented equipment, even if it's rented RED cameras. Studios aren't interested in owning equipment. They'd rather rent every time and not worry about maintenance or storage or anything else.

[Andrew Benz]

Oh boy, a set of Primos of my very own! Well if JL Fischer can start selling dollys then anything's possible.
What? When did this start Evan?

[Chris Nuzzaco]

I don't know about that... Sure, we're all buying RED cameras, but the next Spiderman movie will be shot using rented equipment, even if it's rented RED cameras. Studios aren't interested in owning equipment. They'd rather rent every time and not worry about maintenance or storage or anything else.

Yes, I know they will rent the cameras, but now they can rent from owner operators (and local ones too)... not just Plus 8 Digital.

[Larry McKee]

The Genesis would make a good B cam to my Red.

Dang. Made me laugh out loud.

[donatello b]

Panavision is in the world wide rental business ... they rent other camera's besides panavision camera's ... they also rent light & grip equipment around the world .. they also provide excellent service ( so do most respected rental houses) ... panavision also own Pro 8 and i believe they have bought some other company's over past few years ...
IMO there will be a panavised RED if they get request ...

[Chris Burket]

I don't know about Panavision, but I believe Arri Munich is getting a couple RED's to check them out. I'm sure you could put a panavision mount on a RED, you'd just have to have someone machine one. You might have to do some machining on the camera as well because they have a different flange depth (I think its more shallow than Arri PL). The actual Panavision mount is a really cool mount, its easy to adjust the flange but its a complex mount. It would be easier to put shimmed panavision mount on. The SLCine cameras come with PL and Panavision mounts. www.slcine.com

[Poi Boy]

I'm not sure how it will end up but the Panavision business model is going to have to change drastically in the next five years.
Aloha
-A

[Alexander Nikishin]

I think I heard somewhere that Pany has a few reservations. The Genesis would make a good B cam to my Red.

:biggrin: The Genesis can be my crash cam.

[Poi Boy]

:biggrin: The Genesis can be my crash cam.

big enough to do some real damage !
Aloha
-A

[Evin Grant]

What? When did this start Evan?

Pretty recently, I just heard it from one of my grips a few weeks ago. He said the old man that used to run the place (J.L. Himself?) passed on and the new management decided to try a new business model.

[Andrew Benz]

Thanks Evin (very sorry about the misspelling-- late night multi tasking-transferring shows, re-edits, then transcoding, etc.) I have been a bit out of the loop for higher end commercial production for a bit. This is really incredible news, like an event. Have we just witnessed hell freeze over?

BTW, once again, Thank you for your work in the lens arena--the tests, the $3000 thread-- all of it is great. Also, I just got dsl in my new live/workspace, really enjoyed your work!

[Unwounded]

I don't remember the exact flow of the conversation, but I was talking to a Genesis rep, not a month and a half ago, and he was talking about Panavision changing thier model so that they would aquire other rental facilities (which would not be officially associated as Panavision) to get into the "lower" end markets as well. He didn't mention Red specifically but I got a sense he was thinking along those lines. I think Panavision would be crazy not to get on board. Don't get me wrong, I love Panavision, but maybe the old business modell doesn't really work anymore.

[Brad Hawkins]

My girlfriend did an internship at Panavision last fall and every time she asked someone about Red their reply was a smug, "What's Red? Never heard of it. We have Genesis!"

That said, I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone in the company figured out that they needed a few reservations. After all, they're in the business of making the best overall experience for the camera team, they've never been above rehousing lenses and "panavising" other cameras.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Pretty recently, I just heard it from one of my grips a few weeks ago. He said the old man that used to run the place (J.L. Himself?) passed on and the new management decided to try a new business model.

Too bad Chapman's aren't for sale, Chapman's own Fisher's IMO.

[mezmo]

Hi all,
I could see Panavision getting very friendly with Red or SI,
they like to buy competition, maybe not, it's normally rental
companies that get gobbled.
Panavision are never happy about lenses going out without
a camera body. Don't think they allow it.
Anamorphics on Red, now there's a thought. Redvistavision.
Cheers Mezmo

[Dominic Jones]

Panavision will "panavise" any camera you ask them to - after all, they're guaranteed the lens rentals after that!

They've panavised F-900's, Arri's and a whole range of other cameras - this is nothing new...

And FWIW, I don't foresee them changing their business model any time soon - the camera body is, as has been previously mentioned, only a small part of their rental package, and I would also imagine that they will stay at a very high level - if not the bleeding edge - of digital acquisition just as they have with film. They've already signaled this intent with the Genesis, after all...

Just my 0.02.

[Chuck T.]

They've panavised F-900's,

Just my 0.02.

Sony owns Panavision...!

[chuck colburn]

It's just a lens mount.

[Matt Uhry]

This PV mount is ready and waiting for a Red to go on.

http://www.fuzby.com/filetransfer/pvmount.jpg

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

[C.H.Haskell]

Panavision + RED combo would be an obvious beast of a tool and someone will do it soon enough, but if you did not go through Panavision then how else would you obtain a Panavision lens? These things aren’t just floating around out there, perhaps old ones or some kind of home build from acquired parts.

[Stephen Williams]

Hi all,

Panavision are never happy about lenses going out without
a camera body. Don't think they allow it.
Mezmo


Hi,

I know many moco rigs that have PV lens mounts for Fries Mitchell cameras. PV often rent "lenses only", its not like they have a shortage.

Stephen

[Matt Uhry]

Panavision does not sell their gear.

They can at times get uppity about renting some of their in demand lenses to you if you are not taking one of their camera bodies. But essentially they are like any other rental house and want to do business and will be happy to rent to you.

Many strange and wonderful things exist in Panavisions inventory and they have some excellent techs to help you find what you need. They also will at times customize gear for you...

Panavision Hollywood is my rental house of choice. They provide great gear and service.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

[overlandfilms]

Sony absolutely does not own Panavision.

[Chuck T.]

Sony absolutely does not own Panavision.

Apparently they own only 16.29% in 2001

(http://sec.edgar-online.com/2001/03/29/0000950136-01-000549/Section13.asp)

Don't know what's the status now...!