Feature Film Feedback

[Casey Green]

Hi Jim,

Would you mind taking a moment to talk about what the feedback has been (from the film crews) about technical issues and feature requests asked for during the past weeks of production?

thanks for any information.

[Shawn Nelson]

This is info Jim would be able to share, it would be cool if he did.

[Eryc Tramonn]

Hey guys, this is my first post here, but I've been reading along with you for quite some time. While I'm just as eager as you to see real-world, working datum from which we'll truly be able to gauge Red's performance, I doubt Jim is going to spend the time posting issues this close to a 'tentative' launch. If there are issues, hopefully he's simply taking steps to correct them. Let the man breath.

[grandpa it burns]

Yes let the man breath...I'm sure RED will be here before we all know it. The RED team is creating miracles that will change the world as we know it forever. I know we are all excited, but lets look at this in perspective. I think the whole RED team disserves a congratulations for there hard work!

[jaadgy akanni]

Hey guys, this is my first post here, but I've been reading along with you for quite some time. While I'm just as eager as you to see real-world, working datum from which we'll truly be able to gauge Red's performance, I doubt Jim is going to spend the time posting issues this close to a 'tentative' launch. If there are issues, hopefully he's simply taking steps to correct them. Let the man breath.

Ok Jim...lol

[Casey Green]

heheheh (or board mods!) j/k - actually Jim has posted many times, updating us on these types of things, such as the heat issues in Spain. If he doesn't have the time right now, then that is fine. But I think the RED folks prefer to speak for themselves. ;)

I would just really like to hear about what feedback on field operation the DPs, Operators, and ACs are giving in the final days, to see if they will make any last minute tweaks.

[Champe Barton]

One should never disturb a man in the midst of masterminding a revolution.

[Eryc Tramonn]

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to read about workflow, issues and bouts of serendipity just as much as the next technocrat filmmaker, but realistically (supposedly) we are only weeks from the first shipment and the L.A.R.T., so that testbed should supply us with enough information to sieve through for some time. Jim, you're welcome - now deliver on your promises.

If this thing does all I've read about in posts for the past two years, it's going to be a beast. Burn Hollywood burn. The playing field has been leveled.

[Casey Green]

I see. Well, as a member of the LART team, I am asking in hopes of being more prepared for various testing we will be doing. The more we know about any last minute changes, possibly due to feedback in the field, the better we can prepare.

[Eryc Tramonn]

Casey, from what I've read about the approach and testing modalities the L.A.R.T. members have committed to, I think you'll be just fine. You guys aren't verdant newbies; you have kept me reading for two years about a phantom camera for God's sakes. I mean seriously, look at the welter of information and ideas that have been conjured simply by thinking about this thing. I mean, you'd swear people have been working with it already. And I'm not talking about the superstars and recognized DP's on rollerblades. I'm talking about normal ass, hardworking filmmakers without the clout...YET. I think the best place to start for an empirical testing is right here in this forum. So many great thoughts and issues have been raised, I would log all of what's been written and then systematically test each matter. Basically, like what Gibby has said you're doing.

You guys are great, and I really mean that. I realize you want to be thorough, but at this point, no matter what Jim says - it's ultimately going to lie in your hands. You're going to put that camera to a serious test because you'll be looking for workflow issues, and reporting objectively. I'm sure that makes Jim a tad uneasy, and rightfully so, I think anyone would be. Who wants to be scrutinized? Especially when you've done your damnest to deliver perfection. Well that's what we filmmakers do, we stand naked in front of an audience of 300, then let them analyze our genitals with a microscope projected onto a 20 foot screen. Jim will acclimate, he asked for it after all. I'm simply saying, we'll have our day very shortly.

I, for one, am relying on you guys. Wish I could be there.

[Casey Green]

Casey, from what I've read about the approach and testing modalities the L.A.R.T. members have committed to, I think you'll be just fine. You guys aren't verdant newbies; you have kept me reading for two years about a phantom camera for God's sakes. I mean seriously, look at the welter of information and ideas that have been conjured simply by thinking about this thing. I mean, you'd swear people have been working with it already. And I'm not talking about the superstars and recognized DP's on rollerblades. I'm talking about normal ass, hardworking filmmakers without the clout...YET. I think the best place to start for an empirical testing is right here in this forum. So many great thoughts and issues have been raised, I would log all of what's been written and then systematically test each matter. Basically, like what Gibby has said you're doing.

You guys are great, and I really mean that. I realize you want to be thorough, but at this point, no matter what Jim says - it's ultimately going to lie in your hands. You're going to put that camera to a serious test because you'll be looking for workflow issues, and reporting objectively. I'm sure that makes Jim a tad uneasy, and rightfully so, I think anyone would be. Who wants to be scrutinized? Especially when you've done your damnest to deliver perfection. Well that's what we filmmakers do, we stand naked in front of an audience of 300, then let them analyze our genitals with a microscope projected onto a 20 foot screen. Jim will acclimate, he asked for it after all. I'm simply saying, we'll have our day very shortly.

I, for one, am relying on you guys. Wish I could be there.

Yes, we will be fine. I am not worried about that or debating that. In fact, I have no real reason to reply to your post, except for one thing.

At one point you are referring to RED as a "phantom camera" which I could understand maybe a year ago, but that doesn't make sense anymore, with the caliber of Filmmakers currently using it on current productions. This sounded odd to me.

Anyway, I've made the request here to RED about hearing the feedback they've been getting. Jim and the RED team will release more notes from the crews or they won't. That's up to them, and I respect their choice either way.

take care,

[Eryc Tramonn]

Apropos the moniker "phantom camera," I was simply commenting on the fact that so few people (outside of Oakley's R&D dept) have actually produced images with RED, and the fact that the release date has continually been delayed. I'm not going to make assumptions until the first shipments have arrived in reservation holder's hands. Yeah call me skeptical, but oh well. Show me the money.

I'm not saying the camera doesn't exist, but right now it's like the holy grail to us common folk. Soderberg loves the camera - well that's great. His cachet alone can solve any problem that comes his way at this point. I want feedback from average Joe Indie that will be using this powerful instrument.

I have been PATIENTLY waiting like everyone else. And I still am. As I mentioned, I have only just become vocal within this community because it appears the launch is imminent. I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard. There are a lot of VERY talented filmmakers, and technicians chomping at the bit to get their hands on this camera. We all want it.

I'll save further comment and analysis until someone that is not a superstar, or other largely recognizable talent, such as the indie helmers and DP's I know begin working with it.

Jim, just get the camera ready. I don't mean that disrespectfully in any way, and I REALLY appreciate all you've done to advance filmmaking for indies such as myself. I cannot tell you how much it means. Seriously. But I'm also in NO way sycophantic - if shizzle is f'ed up, I'm going to call you out. Now is just not the time for that. This is business. Just finish the camera, and ship it as early as possible. Please. We'll do the rest at that point. If it's worth the lofty appellations currently bestowed upon it, which it appears to be, you'll get a special notice on all my work - Jim Jannard - Revolutionary...well should I be fortunate enough to ever shoot with it. :)

Best Regards,

Eryc
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I'm a REAL INDIE FiLMMAKER - Damn straight

[Casey Green]

<sigh> I give up on this one.

[Eryc Tramonn]

Fight on. ;)

[JustinGD]

I think this is all because of the lack of new information we've recieved this past week. Everybody is very excited right now, and are just trying to think of something that Jim might talk about. Jim knows that we are going to ask him millions of questions, and we know that he will respond to a select number of them when he can. He has also proven to us that he doesn't have to breath, or eat or sleep as far as I can tell, so it's hard to know when a superhuman needs space. He won't get mad if we ask questions, and we won't get mad if he doesn't respond. So all we need to do now is deal with waiting in our own special way be that questions, speculating, discussing our upcomming projects, etc. My preference is to stay up all night and listen for reindeer hooves on the roof.

[mezmo]

Hi Guys,
In the end, the Red camera will speak for itself and
I've always thought mid 2008 will be the best time
to look at D film cameras. By that time Red & SI will
be out and the workflows and cameras well and truly
tested. New offers from Sony and Pannie will also
be one the market and with a little luck "price war" will
be the order of the day. What's the hurry, we can all
benefit here. Jim may play things close to his chest now
but next month, the cat's out of the bag.
May the best box win. Cheers Mezmo

[Nick Ambrose]

One should never disturb a man in the midst of masterminding a revolution.

But if you could, then what kind of revolution would it really be ?

[Eryc Tramonn]

Mezmo, I'm in total agreement with you. Like I said, we're all anxious, but the time of reckoning is at hand. Just let the man finish the camera, and then we'll get all the answers we could desire. With any luck, the camera will be so well planned and executed, the questions will be kept to a minimum. Hopefully, it will be on the order of the Swiss Army knife of filmmaking, and reading the forum, RED certainly seems to have the potential for it.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

I was simply commenting on the fact that so few people (outside of Oakley's R&D dept) have actually produced images with RED, and the fact that the release date has continually been delayed. I'm not going to make assumptions until the first shipments have arrived in reservation holder's hands.

actually Oakley hasnt shot the RED ONE... RED has shot the RED ONE.. two TOTTTTAALLYYY different companies