Jarred and colleagues...

[Matthew Lochman]

An idea:
how about an online question and answer session with some of the DP's/Directors using the Red One in the field?

Obviously many questions couldn't be answered, but I think the feedback, in the form of a dialogue would be extremely useful even if it were just candid...

Right here on Reduser...

Bring it.

[Brook Willard]

An idea:
how about an online question and answer session with some of the DP's/Directors using the Red One in the field?

Obviously many questions couldn't be answered, but I think the feedback, in the form of a dialogue would be extremely useful even if it were just candid...

Right here on Reduser...

Bring it.



Dude, I expect that the DPs and directors are all too busy shooting their movies to spend much time online. Remember that LART is coming up... I'm sure there'll be Q&A time then. :)

[Mr. Paul White]

But it's October now...

[Gbabymogul]

But it's October now...Since RED is busy building cameras, and the L.A test is ?, then it's the first 50 dudes who will have to post here for us to see what this camera is capable of.

I know if my cam was in the first 50, i'd help the brothers - doggies playing in the backyard etc...:biggrin:

Offhollywood will be he first cat to get some cameras. Petition starts here, heheh.

We the undersigned would like to see anything that Offhollywood shoots tout de sweet

Gbabymogul

sign here
___________
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[Matthew Lochman]

Dude, I expect that the DPs and directors are all too busy shooting their movies to spend much time online. Remember that LART is coming up... I'm sure there'll be Q&A time then. :)

Brother, maybe the folks who shot "Crossing" than? I just think that it would be nice to get some candid feedback... I understand the time constraints of a feature prod. but I also understand the gravity of the release of this camera, and I'm sure (hoping really) that after using the camera extensively, the DP's/Directors/Assistants even, would too, and would be willing to talk about it... Besides, there is always time to plug an upcoming movie...

And as for LART, I just hope they'll have time to do some testing between their catered banquets... :}

[Steve Gibby]

Offhollywood will be he first cat to get some cameras.

Actually, unless the delivery schedule changes, and there’s been no indication of that happening, I’d guess that cameras 1-50 will deliver on the very same day at the end of this month.


And as for LART, I just hope they'll have time to do some testing between their catered banquets... :}

The LART food fund was suggested and spearheaded by RED User members, not the producers of LART. If you contributed to the food fund and want a refund, simply contact us stating so. If you didn't contribute to that fund, then you have no basis for making a critical comment like that. LART will be a highly experienced team of motion media professionals donating their time, with the results posted here for the enrichment of this community. You and thousands of others won't mind reading the results of our donated time, and yet you somehow mind RED user members having a food fund drive for the professionals donating their time? All of the LART members have posted a collective thousands of posts here giving RED User members insight from our experience as professionals - something guys like you read for free - and you criticize a board member drive to help us with meals during our donated time that you will benefit from? We’re not biting the hands that are feeding us – so why would you?


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I’d expect that many of the owners/users of the first cameras will post their impressions of field use of the cameras in the weeks that follow delivery. Our reason for delaying LART is the greenlighting of one of our productions. We’re professionals, and the greenlighting of productions is the goal and necessity of this business. A byproduct of holding LART in October is that those first RED cameras should have a lot more features enabled by then, thus the LART sessions should be able to answer a lot more questions about the camera system.

[Stephen Williams]

Brother, maybe the folks who shot "Crossing" than? I just think that it would be nice to get some candid feedback... I understand the time constraints of a feature prod. but I also understand the gravity of the release of this camera, and I'm sure (hoping really) that after using the camera extensively, the DP's/Directors/Assistants even, would too, and would be willing to talk about it... Besides, there is always time to plug an upcoming movie...
:}

Hi,

I would think that people shooting with Red on "crossing" were subject to a NDA.

Stephen

[Jared VanLeuven]

As an excited bystander, donating some money to help the LART guys have happy tummies while engaged in their incredibly relevant and useful endeavor was the least I could do. A fed crew is a happy crew!

[Matthew Lochman]

The LART food fund was suggested and spearheaded by RED User members, not the producers of LART. If you contributed to the food fund and want a refund, simply contact us stating so. If you didn't contribute to that fund, then you have no basis for making a critical comment like that. LART will be a highly experienced team of motion media professionals donating their time, with the results posted here for the enrichment of this community. You and thousands of others won't mind reading the results of our donated time, and yet you somehow mind RED user members having a food fund drive for the professionals donating their time? All of the LART members have posted a collective thousands of posts here giving RED User members insight from our experience as professionals - something guys like you read for free - and you criticize a board member drive to help us with meals during our donated time that you will benefit from? We’re not biting the hands that are feeding us – so why would you?

Gibby,
No need to get high and mighty, it was a joke (a celebratory one at that...), hence the smile.
I figured "guys like you" would understand.
Peace brother.

[Matthew Lochman]

A fed crew is a happy crew!

And more importantly an unfed crew is a Union Violation!

[Matthew Lochman]

Hi,

I would think that people shooting with Red on "crossing" were subject to a NDA.

Stephen

I hear that, and thought that I superseded this comment with my emphasis on candid discourse, no? In reality I thought this would be a great way to both ease the pressure on "official" posts by the Red Team (during this time of deservedly self-imposed deadlines, etc...), and feed all the hungry wolves (myself included). Discussion is obviously a potent resource- JIm Jannard was keen to this when he asked the community of dvxuser what they would want in a professional digital cinema camera... So what I don't understand is why it appears that I am the only one who would be in favor of such an event? Is this not the right venue? Any civil explanation is most welcome...

[Steve Gibby]

Gibby,
No need to get high and mighty, it was a joke (a celebratory one at that...), hence the smile.
I figured "guys like you" would understand.
Peace brother.

Cool...at a glance I took your comment as being sarcastic, but if you didn't mean it that way then no worries...

[Steve Gibby]

And more importantly an unfed crew is a Union Violation!

Since RED One will be used in a wide variety of cine style and EFP style productions, the vast majority of productions that RED One will be used for will be non-union. Conscientious producer/director types on non-union gigs should still keep crews well watered and fed. I always have and my crews have shown their appreciation by working real well as a team. I remember some gigs in the beginning of my career where producer/directors didn't feed/water the crew well, and I swore when I was running my own crews I'd go the extra mile to take care of them. I've never regretted that decision, and I think it's one of the reasons that crews that work for me always seem to want to work with me again. Most truly professional non-union producer/directors I associate with treat their crews very well - not because of a rule requirement, but rather because they really care about their crew, and know if they treat them well they will probably work better.

[Matthew Lochman]

Gibby,
Is there a nay or yay for the topic at hand?

[Daniel Reichenbach]

May I ad to the feed discussion the following link:

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/economic_consequences.htm

Thank you

:blush:

So, take care guys and think about the consequenses if you test the RED catering and not the RED camera

[Matthew Lochman]

May I ad to the feed discussion the following link:

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/economic_consequences.htm

Thank you

:blush:

So, take care guys and think about the consequenses if you test the RED catering and not the RED camera

haha! nice one...

[Steve Gibby]

Gibby,
Is there a nay or yay for the topic at hand?

Sure...nay! Here's why:

Brook made a very good point in how busy crews are on location. Stephen also made a very good point about NDA restrictions. I think RED would be hestitant to interfere with busy, NDA-restricted crews on location or on the set to ask them to give some dialog about their work for curious tech board members. I produce/direct high-level productions internationally and nationally, and I can tell you that when the clock is ticking on location with a crew, time is money. Anything that slows my crews down, or unnecessarily interferes with their workflow continuity is something that costs me money, and thus something I'm not interested in on my set or location. I'm also a career-long DP and cinematographer, and stopping to answer questions in the middle of a creative workflow is not my favorite thing to do when I'm shooting - and after the workday I just want to relax, eat, prepare equipment for the next day, and get some sleep.

I realize that everyone is anxious for more info on real-world use of RED One. RED has been very good about supplying a lot of that: Jackson, Soderbergh, Bekmambatov, Nevaldine. etc. In fact, it's extremely rare for a camera manufacturer to supply so much in-field actual usage comments about prototype use from such high-level users, including comments, frames, and even a completed short like "Crossing the Line".

No matter what RED gives this board, there are people pushing for more and more. Right now RED has a camera to deliver, they have a small staff, and there's only so many hours in each day. The more they honor requests like yours, the more they either delay the work on the initial cameras to ship, or cut into the already limited amount of sleep they get.

Among the recipients of cameras 1-50 there are some very highly experienced directors, DPs, and cinematographers, many of whom will be shooting with their cameras in a diverse array of challenging and high-level projects. They'll take their time to post on this board their impressions of the cameras - keeping in mind that the first cameras to ship will only have a limited feature set enabled. As more features get enabled by firmware upgrade, then I'm sure their impressions of field use of those features will be posted here somewhere. By the time we get to the October LART testing we should be able to test many more enabled features in the cameras in real-world use tests.

You wanted a "yay or nay" to the topic you raised in the thread you started, and the above paragraphs summarize my multiple reasons for a "nay" on that.

[Steve Gibby]

May I ad to the feed discussion the following link:

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/economic_consequences.htm

Thank you

:blush:

So, take care guys and think about the consequenses if you test the RED catering and not the RED camera

LOL... :biggrin:

Only "lean, mean production machine" professionals have been selected for the LART team - nobody on the team is overweight! They'd all rather shoot footage and check it out than eat! We'll probably have to force them to take food breaks - I know, I'm that way myself. All these guys really love their work. Thanks to the kindness of the members of RED User in conceiving of and gathering a nice food fund, when we force them to take a food break, they'll at least have some good quality food to eat! You're from Switzerland Artbeatsart, where I've worked before - and you have wonderful food there. I enjoyed our crew food breaks while we were on location in Switzerland...

[Matthew Lochman]

Sure...nay! Here's why:

Brook made a very good point in how busy crews are on location. Stephen also made a very good point about NDA restrictions. I think RED would be hestitant to interfere with busy, NDA-restricted crews on location or on the set to ask them to give some dialog about their work for curious tech board members. I produce/direct high-level productions internationally and nationally, and I can tell you that when the clock is ticking on location with a crew, time is money. Anything that slows my crews down, or unnecessarily interferes with their workflow continuity is something that costs me money, and thus something I'm not interested in on my set or location. I'm also a career-long DP and cinematographer, and stopping to answer questions in the middle of a creative workflow is not my favorite thing to do when I'm shooting - and after the workday I just want to relax, eat, prepare equipment for the next day, and get some sleep.

I realize that everyone is anxious for more info on real-world use of RED One. RED has been very good about supplying a lot of that: Jackson, Soderbergh, Bekmambatov, Nevaldine. etc. In fact, it's extremely rare for a camera manufacturer to supply so much in-field actual usage comments about prototype use from such high-level users, including comments, frames, and even a completed short like "Crossing the Line".

No matter what RED gives this board, there are people pushing for more and more. Right now RED has a camera to deliver, they have a small staff, and there's only so many hours in each day. The more they honor requests like yours, the more they either delay the work on the initial cameras to ship, or cut into the already limited amount of sleep they get.

Among the recipients of cameras 1-50 there are some very highly experienced directors, DPs, and cinematographers, many of whom will be shooting with their cameras in a diverse array of challenging and high-level projects. They'll take their time to post on this board their impressions of the cameras - keeping in mind that the first cameras to ship will only have a limited feature set enabled. As more features get enabled by firmware upgrade, then I'm sure their impressions of field use of those features will be posted here somewhere. By the time we get to the October LART testing we should be able to test many more enabled features in the cameras in real-world use tests.

You wanted a "yay or nay" to the topic you raised in the thread you started, and the above paragraphs summarize my multiple reasons for a "nay" on that.

>>>well you must not work very often Gibby because you seem to have plenty of time to contribute to these boards! Which is really all I'm hoping for, from someone who is actually using the camera. I am a freelance film professional as well, and worked 347 days of last year, and If I had the ability, I would love to share what I could about shooting with RED...
REDUSER is far more than just a "tech board" Gibby- lets give it the credit it deserves. It is the backbone of this whole thing... In fact without REDUSER I wouldn't know who the hell you were. It's sad not to have your support, but I do appreciate your contribution of something on topic.

[Steve Gibby]

>>>well you must not work very often Gibby because you seem to have plenty of time to contribute to these boards! Which is really all I'm hoping for, from someone who is actually using the camera.

I contribute to this board after, and sometimes in the middle of long days work. Don’t work very often? About 360 days per year. I’ve worked often enough over a 30+ year image making career, including over three decades in television and film, to have contributed to over 800 international and national television programs that aired on 12 different broadcast and cable networks, including functioning extensively in various combinations on those productions as an executive producer, producer, director, editor, scriptwriter, DP, cinematographer, and videographer. Add to that a couple hundred or so commercials, PSAs, and high-end business videos. Add to that functioning as an annual judge for several national Emmy Award competitions, and a technical magazine article writer for several national motion media magazines. And at what level do I do this work? Multiple Emmy Awards and a total of around 70 national awards. I’m also in production now on a D-cinema feature, with several HDTV series in development – all of which will be using RED One camera systems, of which I have one of the very first - #8 – and I’ll start using RED #8 just thirteen days from now.

OK…there’s a summary of how much work I’ve done and am now doing. Let’s hear your summary of what you have done and are doing now, and how/when you’ll be able to use a RED One camera system.


REDUSER is far more than just a "tech board" Gibby- lets give it the credit it deserves. It is the backbone of this whole thing... .

I’ve been fully active and contributing to all three RED boards ever since they were formed: DVX User RED forum (12/05 to 12/06 when it was shut down), RED User (12/06 when formed to the present), and DV Info RED forum (12/05 to the present). I have a comprehensive picture on what the boards are and what they aren’t. RED User is a tech board, and yes it is the “backbone of the whole thing”, something I’m well aware of since I joined RED User the first day it was formed in 12/06 and taken the time to post 1131 posts since then, to help members here. In comparison, you didn’t join RED User until March 2006, and have contributed 38 posts. I’m sure the members of RED User will be happy to tell you that I have the comprehensive flick on what RED User is and what it means to the RED community.


In fact without REDUSER I wouldn't know who the hell you were.

See my bio paragraph above. A simple Google search and a visit to my web site would have informed you who I am and what I do. Each of my 1131 posts on this forum since December 2006 has had a link to my web site in my signature at the bottom. You’ve seen tons of my work over the past three decades if you’ve watched network programs in these genres: sports, travel, nature, cultures, reality, and documentaries. If you don’t know who I am then perhaps you just haven’t done your homework, or you don’t pay attention to who has done what at the network level. Beyond the link to my web site, which is on all my posts, I also have bio info and a link to my web site on my RED User profile, which you could have checked at any time, and I also use my real name on this board – “Gibby”. In contrast, I don’t see any real name on your part (mlochm), and no bio info or web site link on your RED User profile. Now, since you have a non-personal name handle here (mlochm), and have not provided the members here with any bio info or a web link, here’s your opportunity to do so. It’s time for you to put that up – lets’ see it.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Another fight? Why? Is it mating season and no one told me?!

I miss everything.

:)

Jay

For the record: I am just playing so nobody gets to bite my head off here.

[Russ McDonald]

I know that the, amount , make up, and selection of bagels at the LART is important.

Will there be flavored cream cheese?

Will there be muffins?

All vary important questions that demand answers, damn-it.

It sucks when we don't have all the answers we want, we have become a world that demands the answers, sometimes before we even purpose the questions. ( a little Zen bagel to chew )

What do we know?

We know that when you press the record button, the red delivers beautiful imagery. We have all seen it.

We know Jim has destroyed the old paradigm, and the big guys know there in trouble.

We know all the rental houses who thought the red was a toy, are now at the back of a very long line, and all of those who took the leap of faith have a huge head start.

We know that the owner of Number 8, could have chosen to be like most Hollywood Assholes. But thank god Gibby, is not one of those people. I'm telling you, you're going to know more at the end of October than. You could find out today from the guy's shooting with it at this moment.

This is the first board I've ever thought was worth joining in, but alas I joined to late. So late in fact, that the rental house Guys are pointing their fingers and calling me a dumb ass. So I will be unable to attend the LART.

But thanks to all of you who are giving your time, money, gear, and expertise. I look forward to reading all about it.

•••note to Gibby•••
About Mlochm, (in my best 30's Gangster accent)
You want, I should Bump him.

Just a joke Mlochm, trying to lift the mood here at your exspense, that's all.

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Sorry Gibby, but I would say, it's better to stopp and close this thread. I estimate a lot what you are doing for the REDheads on this site. May I give you an advice? Try ones not to tell everybody that you are the most talented and awarded guy under the sun of california or maybe worldwide. I am shure, that helps, that we will love you all for your work on this site.

[Steve Gibby]

Sorry Gibby, but I would say, it's better to stopp and close this thread. I estimate a lot what you are doing for the REDheads on this site. May I give you an advice? Try ones not to tell everybody that you are the most talented and awarded guy under the sun of california or maybe worldwide. I am shure, that helps, that we will love you all for your work on this site.

Thanks Daniel...

When this guy accused me of not working very much it simply hit a nerve...I almost always simply let my work do my talking for me...but I give respect to those around me, and I expect respect in return...a personal attack like questioning my work doesn't set well with me...

[Steve Gibby]

Thanks for the kind words Adobeone...

Nah...don't whack nobody...:gun:

[Steve Gibby]

Jay...you've stirred the pot a few times here... :innocent:

But you've never personally attacked someone's background that I remember...that will usually bring a strong response...:gun:

Yeah...the natives are restless for sure!

[Evin Grant]

Well, I think it's time to assisnate this thread. If you guys reallly think it's a worthy topic start it up fresh and on track.