What if CHINA and India say NO to RED 4K Camera ?

[REDHKSC]

I am just an Opportuntist and Alchemist for some Businessmen.

STEWART CHONG
REDHKSC.org
HKG / CHINA / Thailand

[Kyle Presley]

I don't understand your question.

[Keith Nealy]

Officially, It won't matter... and it will be their loss.

But RED is a revolution... and it will rise up from the grassroots - whereever filmmakers have a vision. RED will find a way...

[Ace]

Bollywood is going to go gaga over RED. Thats for sure.

[Jack Wester]

I don't understand your question.

If you've ever been working or living in China for more than a few days, you could maybe interpret the question as meaning if it was not allowed. This post alone could make reduser.net unaccessible from within China.

I was working in Shenzhen a while back. In China Today I could read about the terrorist of Taiwan (=Taiwans goverment) on one page and that "Skype is now banned in China" on the next. Its not a democracy. If China Telecom doesn't like Skype, using Skype can become a chrime from one day to the other.

/Jack

p.s.
Sorry fellow humans in China for potentially closing down Reduser.net. Hope they can only filter out this post.

p.s. again
And for any censorship officials and to the 80 million members of the communist party of china, please note that the name of the camera is "Red". So please keep this site accessible. I mean red is after all the colour of the propagana you've been raping your fellow citizens with for some 80 years and counting, right?

[Noah Kadner]

Didn't China say yes to red a long time ago? Sorry couldn't resist. :spidy: :spidy:

Noah

[Yannick Hagman]

Didn't China say yes to red a long time ago? Sorry couldn't resist.

LOL. Nice one.

[Carl Larsen]

REDHKSC,

It seems this might be a motivated question based on the <assumed> lack of interest expressed on this board in response to your previous posts about red building a 4K switcher for live applications.

I too have a strong interest in Red's application for concerts, but at the present moment 4K switching seems overkill to me. No doubt it will eventually happen, but it will take a while to get everyone adjusted. 1080 at a concert is still rare in my experience.

Although we all know there are 4K projectors out there, one alternative approach to the idea may be through an edge blending solution - I think it's possible to daisy chain a couple barco processors together to effectively get a widescreen (pseudo) 4K image out of 2 1080 projectors lined up side by side.

[Siva Kollipara]

It's no brainer
India would definitely adopt to RED.Indian low-budget filmmakers were always looking for cost-effective filmmaking solutions.
For example, The TWO southern states AP(Andhra Pradesh,Hyderabad), where I belong and neighboring state TN(Tamil Nadu,Madras) together have more than 4000 theatres. Already more than 400 theatres have gone digital.

The interesting thing here is instead of producers - Distributors - Exhibitors pointing fingers at each other, there is fourth party came into the arena and installed(installing) Digital Projectors. The fourth party(4 players) installs the equipment at their own expense and charges very minimum amount per show.

India has invented their own economical D-Projectors, of course they are 1K only.

It is a healthy system,
- The producer hands over the One positive print to D-Cinema Company
- D-Cinema Charges $1500 to convert it to MP4 format
- Based on the Distribution agreement Either Producer OR distributor control the Digital Copy.
- Producer/Distributor Authorises D-cinema to specific theatre(no.of shows).
- D-Cinema collects ~$25 per show from Distibutor.


From Jan,2007 onwards EVERY movie released in AP or TN have been Digitized(after all, it is same as ONE print cost)
Already producers are feeling the pinch to pay for Print costs for Other 300+ positive prints(where there is no D-cinema)
Exhibitors/Distributors are also happy because they are not spending a Penny from their pocket, as everything taken care by D-Cinema Company.
D-cinema companys very busy installing at new places.

--- The Temporary bottleneck for RED growth is Film out cost

Having all said, do you know which way Indian Digital Cinema is going..?

Ok, Here I am RED-Indian

PS: If RED can come up with 4K projectors around $10-15k,I am sure they can sell more than 10,000 units in India alone.

[Chuck T.]

Starting a feature in India Dec 07 - The most expensive production till date in India. Making a decision in the next month... to go with RED or Phantom65.

[Ramesh Jai]

Even though this is a hypothetical question I can confidently say that there is no way RED will not be accepted in these countries. I don't know about China but in India RED will be very very successful once the workflow is sorted out.

[Babu Kantamneni]

Which movie is it?
I can rent you my two reds.
Babubu:bleh:

[Babu Kantamneni]

[QUOTE=Jack Wester;69400]If you've ever been working or living in China for more than a few days, you could maybe interpret the question as meaning if it was not allowed. This post alone could make reduser.net unaccessible from within China.

I was working in Shenzhen a while back. In China Today I could read about the terrorist of Taiwan (=Taiwans goverment) on one page and that "Skype is now banned in China" on the next. Its not a democracy. If China Telecom doesn't like Skype, using Skype can become a chrime from one day to the other.

/Jack

p.s.
Sorry fellow humans in China for potentially closing down Reduser.net. Hope they can only filter out this post.

Hi Doode,
I dont know about China.India has mor than 10 reservations already.
Babu:biggrin:

[idli_007]

PS: If RED can come up with 4K projectors around $10-15k,I am sure they can sell more than 10,000 units in India alone.
Hi, I dont know from where you are in South India, if you been to chennai there is SATYAM Cinema with 6 DLP projectors, and very soon may be in 6 months there will be a 100 DLP projectors in india.

[idli_007]

YES sure it will rock this country and i am trying to lay my hands on one for a test shoot so i can do my next bollywood feature in it. There is a 10 camera booking by a firm in chennai and i hope they get it soon.

[Chuck T.]

Which movie is it?
I can rent you my two reds.
Babubu:bleh:

Please send me a PM... and i will respond

[Chuck T.]

YES sure it will rock this country and i am trying to lay my hands on one for a test shoot so i can do my next bollywood feature in it. There is a 10 camera booking by a firm in chennai and i hope they get it soon.

What company?

[REDHKSC]

YES sure it will rock this country and i am trying to lay my hands on one for a test shoot so i can do my next bollywood feature in it. There is a 10 camera booking by a firm in chennai and i hope they get it soon.

Hey Dude,
Bollywood needs no Hollywood and CHINAWood is coming, and where are you ?

Stewart

[Noah Kadner]

This guy needs his own forum...

[Bal Deo]

I am just an Opportuntist and Alchemist for some Businessmen.

STEWART CHONG
REDHKSC.org
HKG / CHINA / Thailand

We already have 2 bollywood features (both approx. 2.5hrs) schedules for next year with RED. Initially our schedule was sept. 2007, however due slipage in delivery, we had to move the shoot to next (feb 08) year. Having spent much time in India, they are pretty much set in their ways, however, new guys on the block are looking for industry revolution such as RED to do what they never were able to in the past.

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Worked for different bollywood films here in Switzerland, that was allways much fun. Did helikopter work for them up in the glacier. So REDindia is allways welcome ;-)

[Tony Lorentzen]

Move to another country, then ;-)

[Daniel Reichenbach]

I don't know if you know, that indian productions using the swiss mountains for there romantic love scenes instead of there beloved Kashmir Mountains where it is difficult to work because of the Kashmir conflict...

[Teague Kennedy]

It used to be that international relations was handled by diplomats who were trained to bridge differences. Now the task is up to the average joe with an internet connection. Let's do our best to play nice.

(I know that is off topic, but it's peace pipe time)

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

China has no respect for international copyright laws, it has been a problem for the film industry for a long time. Hopefully in the future they'll work a bit harder at that because the future of China is very bright and there is an amazing amount of growth in their economy. I went to China last summer, my dad just went this summer, and it was a pretty incredible experience for both of us.

[REDHKSC]

Internal demand in China is big enough for them to make D-Cinema Cameras, and sometimes they do not follow the World Standard or Level of playing field. Think about their 1.3 billion of people market,and will CHINA buys few thousand RED from USA ? or they help RED to make afforable RED 0.5 not One ......

US brand PCs are not sucessful in CHINA .... and CHINA prefers in making
" Fair Trade ".

RED 2K ? could be made in CHINA as the most affordable Indies camera in the world.

STewart

[REDHKSC]

YES DUDE, a RED SPACE Forum, will you be there ?

HKSC
Founder
REDHKSC


This guy needs his own forum...

[Rocco Schult]

YES DUDE, a RED SPACE Forum, will you be there ?

Hey Stewart, I'm there with you man.
RED SPACE Forum sounds like a cool place to be :biggrin:

[chuck colburn]

China has no respect for international copyright laws, it has been a problem for the film industry for a long time. Hopefully in the future they'll work a bit harder at that because the future of China is very bright and there is an amazing amount of growth in their economy. I went to China last summer, my dad just went this summer, and it was a pretty incredible experience for both of us.

Jonathan,

It's not just China. In a recent issue of Manufacturing News there was an article about theft of intellectual property. China was in the top five but so was Russia, most of Central and South America, Eastren European countries and oddly enough France is one of the worst. So who do you pick on first?

Chuck

[Floris Liesker]

YES DUDE, a RED SPACE Forum, will you be there ?

HKSC
Founder
REDHKSC

I'll be there!
Someone pass the joint please.

[Jack Wester]

YES DUDE, a RED SPACE Forum, will you be there ?

HKSC
Founder
REDHKSC
Count me in.

And Floris, don't bogard that joint, my friend, pass it over to me....

[Mark L. Pederson]

I pity the fool who attempts to steal Jim Jannard's intellectual property.

I am sure someone will TRY.

And I'd pay good money to be a fly on the wall when Jim comes knocking ...

Even his avatar has ... teeth ...

[Pete Horvath]

Count me in.

And Floris, don't bogard that joint, my friend, pass it over to me....

I'm shocked in a movie related board that you didnt get Humphrey's name right. :blink:

[Mark L. Pederson]

cut him some slack ... he's already had a hit or two -

[REDHKSC]

cut him some slack ... he's already had a hit or two -

OFF works to Hollywood, and

Bollywood and CHINAwood is comimg...

A Change is gonna come ..................

Take Good Care there.

STEWART
FROM HKG

[gbalaji]

Red will be most succesful camera in india once its available with more people. There are more talk about RED is a cheaper or indie camera. Thats untrue.The workflow for RED involves money which is lesser than Lab process but its not cheap and never become cheap. Quality matters and if you are for quality you need to shed some money and in certain conditions little extra.

Who cares if china doesn't use RED, loss is for them. I believe, china can copy RED and create one and can market for cheaper than RED. But lets wait till Scarlet from RED(2K camcorder style camer from RED)

[Michael Brennan]

As far as I know the Red sensor is not a restricted export so it can be shipped and used in China India Pakistan and North Korea.

Waiting for a correction .......?


Mike Brennan